Published Nov. 7, 2024, 9:03 a.m.
9am Off the Grid - Dr. David Kent, Ralph the IT Guy and Karen the Riveter! What do to become independent, or when the power grid goes down. Also news and views on what's going on in the world 10am Richard Gage San Francisco Bay area architect Richard Gage, AIA, member of the American Institute of Architects and founder & former CEO of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. He now leads the charge for a new World Trade Center investigation along with his courageous wife Gail at RichardGage911.org. Mr. Gage became interested in researching the destruction of the WTC high-rises after hearing the startling conclusions of a reluctant 9/11 researcher, David Ray Griffin, on the radio in 2006, which launched his own unyielding quest for the truth about 9/11. The organization he founded, AE911Truth, now numbers more than 3,600 architects and engineers demanding a new investigation into the destruction of all three World Trade Center high-rise buildings on 9/11. X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1MYGNMjRrYnKw Rumble: https://rumble.com/v5mrusn-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-1172024-off-the-grid-and-architect-richard-gag.html https://rumble.com/v5mru65-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-1172024-off-the-grid-and-architect-richard-gag.html Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Dr David Kent, Karen the Riveter, Ralph the IT Guy, Richard Gage
Good morning and welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it is the seventh day of November, twenty twenty four. And welcome to our show today. We have Ralph, the I.T. guy and Karen, the road around first thing this morning. And then in the ten o'clock hour, the second hour of of our show, I have architect Richard Gage coming on. And he has been kind of leading the charge for getting the truth out about about nine eleven. And so with that said, morning, guys, how you doing? Good morning. We had a rousing discussion this morning on what's happened with with the election integrity. And I posted something this morning. I'm going to quick throw this up after, you know, so we can talk about this. But I thought this was really interesting. We're seeing a lot of, let's just say, problems. The left is protesting. They've staged their own little J-six. They're talking about doing their own little J-six protest at the Capitol. Well, original thinking, they don't get the award for that, right? But anyhow, Damaged Phantom says in Ohio, damn, y'all, maybe we really did steal the twenty twenty election. And then the person underneath it says, I'm so fucking embarrassed right now that I think we're going to see a lot of people that were actually pretty brainwashed. coming over. And I think we need to really welcome them with open arms and say, we've all been fighting this fight. And they just didn't even know that that's the fight we were fighting and we were really need to fight it together on the same side. So what say you guys? Yep. And there's a lot of people that are going to have to swallow their pride on, you know, on, on the side that's been fighting for this. We, we all need to make sure that we're, we are Swallowing our pride and accepting these people and not just criticizing them for being wrong, but just basically, glad you came around. Let's fix this, guys. I saw a video. I shared it, too, with a woman that's sitting in her car just screaming. And right at the end of her tantrum, which is like a childish tantrum, she says, is that how much you hate me? Something like that. And at first, at first, I'm kind of like I'm having a giggle because of the tantrum. It's the ridiculous aspect of the tantrum that's going on with these immature people who don't know how to handle disappointment. But on the other hand, I'm like, there are people like her. Who who really invested themselves in what they believe to be the right thing, and they're hurting themselves. And I'm not going to laugh in their face. It's the same concept of, I'm really sorry that you took the shot. It's, I'm not better than you because I chose not to take the shot because I was smarter in the moment. You know, we have to be compassionate. If we're going to make this country godly again, then we got to start acting like it. Yes. Yep. We got to be out there accepting the Samaritans in. Yes. Yes. And, and, you know, calling out the behavior, not necessarily just beating people up, you know, it's like there, this has become institutional, uh, quite honestly, um, harassment with, with just based on opinions and people are not bringing the receipts. They're not sticking to why that there are problems out there. Right. Um, The nation is a nation of laws, not men. And so if we stick to the processes that we have to keep this country on the rails and call people out when they're breaking the process, hopefully they'll turn around because hopefully we got to give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they just didn't know. And then when we realize that they did know and it was intentional, then you bring the hammer down, right? But the average person is just kind of like, I don't know, a little kid on a playground and they're throwing rocks at each other because somebody wants the first turn on the swing set. Right. It's or or you know what I mean? It's like it's like the me first mentality that we have is not OK. The win at all cost is not OK. I'm going to tell you, I when I woke up Wednesday morning, I felt like I think, you know, this is you said it this way, but this is how I felt. It was like, well, where's it coming from? this was too easy. And it felt like, it felt like the calm before the storm and I wasn't buying it. It's like, it's like, why did they let, okay, let me frame this. Why President Trump? Okay. I'm going to say this. Why did they let him win? Did we outperform them or did they let him win? And if so, What are they distracting us from? Are they trying to pacify us so that we don't go after the judges? I'm going to tell you right now, we had, I think that was at least fifty percent. I should do the percentages. But I think, Ralph, you said that that it was seventy percent. The judges races were uncontested. It was like there was only one candidate in almost all the and I think it was in all the judge category and almost all of them were Whitmer appointees. Yep, it was the same kind of thing in my area where it was probably almost all of the judges went uncontested. And I think there was only like one race where the judges were not uncontested, where there were actually more candidates than the available positions. And I think it was probably about seventy percent of them that were incumbents were Whitmer appointees. They were not elected. They were installed. And then they didn't give us a choice to change it. So how is it that there was only one on the ballot in each of these categories? Our township clerk ran unopposed. Our township supervisor ran unopposed. And if you look at this, it's like, were they keeping people out or to be able to run against them? Were they cheating? We don't know this. But the other candidates on the ballot besides President Trump, all of a sudden, how can you have so many people voting for President Trump and then all the down ballot candidates a complete failure? Either they're running uncontested or losing or what? It doesn't make any sense. And so I think we really need to look into this. Seriously. look into this because I just feel like we've got a real problem yeah this is interesting because when I first joined the assembly one of the stories that I heard was that the fbi had come to visit or or some agency that story changed like a lot of other stories um and and it was noted and so Two or three of the guys went to them and said hey, you know, what's going on? What do you think? And and they were these government agents Said you're doing fine Just don't go after the judges That was the story that I was told Now, I don't believe everything I heard in the assembly anymore and um But so so now I wonder If that has something to do with it now on the one hand, here's one way of looking at it We could not get the three witches here in michigan, for example Why is that and I posed this the other day that perhaps? If the good guys are in control They needed to be in that place as part of the exposure as part of the awakening and also to protect everybody from The justice that's going to be served against them if you had gotten them removed arrested them got some kind of justice I mean look at how differently everything would look right now But if we did that then they'd just be replaced by other people that would continue doing the same thing but Would the justice be complete in the system that we have? It probably wouldn't so the timeliness of getting justice means removing them from office perhaps while they're still there and and making that justice full and complete so if we take that kind of theory over to the judges oh yeah keep them in their seats okay I'll wait I'll be patient I don't know what that looks like it's just a theory On the other hand, is that one of the tools that the deep state is planning on using against us is winning court cases and saying, well, you don't have control. Like we were talking about yesterday, the justice system being used as a legislative branch. Well, you know, that brings to mind something that kind of, this is kind of a little bit off the branch off of that topic, but Something that kind of bothers me is when I hear people talking about, oh, the good guys are in control and they'll take care of this for us and they've got a plan and all of that kind of stuff. It's like you're leaving the fight up to somebody else still. It's the same problem that got us into this mess in the first place is us shirking our responsibility as the ones that are supposed to be taking these people and making them accountable. That was my biggest fear after Tuesday when the race got called for President Trump. It's like, okay, let's see how many people just go home and expect this to be done. This is the beginning. This is not the end game. It's like we won a battle, but the war is still raging, and we can still lose this if we don't stay in the game. This is where we figure out the difference between the patriots and the cultists. Yeah, let's put Trump on Mount Rushmore, make him into an idol because that'll get us closer to God. And oh, yay, the Republicans won the houses. So now we have control. Are you serious? Like, did you not forget what happened for the last four years? We still have to get justice for decades behind. We're not going to do that with the Uniparty still in these seats. I don't care. the only benefit really of having that red wave is that they can see the public mandate, that phrase, the public mandate. We know that we want change. If those people don't make that change in those seats and say, you know what? I was elected here by a really bad process, but while I'm here, I'm going to hold to a lawful oath, and I'm going to do the very best I can to get justice for the past and move forward constitutionally, lawfully protecting the people. If we had that, great. But do you see that happening right now? Nope. I don't. And if the people just go, okay, well, Trump's going to fix it, and the Republicans in Congress are going to fix it. Nope, nope. And that's why I feel like We're not done yet. We need more exposure. We need that full exposure. We haven't got the truth about the children. We haven't got the truth. Oh, well, we're just going to wait for Trump to get in office and then he'll tell us about JFK and nine eleven and the wars of the past. And and he's going to talk about the trafficking of children and he's going to fix it all. Hmm. I'm not buying it. I feel like I'm bracing for impact for a terrible accident that's accident. That's not a good word. It's not the most appropriate word. A planned accident that's bound to happen and I won't see it coming. There's a veil between me and the thing. But something is coming and I just know I'm about to get bopped in the nose. That's exactly how I feel. It's sort of like you're kind of watching where is it coming from. Yeah. You know, that's how I felt all week. We changed the color of the curtains on the building. You know, but as Karen said, we can still see the gorilla. We're going to have to show that video. I showed it on my Telegram channel not long ago, so I can find it probably somewhere. I haven't seen that video in a long time, but I know what you're referring to. You're funny. To make a reference to the Matrix, we just had the lady in red walk past us. Don't get distracted. There you go. I really think that we need to do a full audit of this election because we know the overwhelming support that President Trump had, right? But where I'm really concerned is all the other offices outside of him. But if we prove that he won, that settles the argument, right? So I think we should just go out there and say, fine, you want to see that he won, we'll prove it to you. But we're also going to be looking at all the other offices outside And making sure that this election is honest. That's what we have to do. Whether we win or lose on any issue, we need to make sure that there's a thorough investigation that we uncover everything. Any rock out there and all rocks need to be looked underneath for cheating at every level. in every way. And I'm pretty extra sure that we're going to find so much of it that it's going to make us ask more questions. And then all of a sudden, like this little gem that was posted, this little tweet, maybe we'll get everybody on the same side and say, look, you didn't defend our rights. You defended your ideology or your preconceived notions. Now we need to get in there and base this on the truth and find out what the truth is, not just in this election, but the last ones too, because I think we have it all for the twenty twenty election and we need to know exactly what was done. And I still believe, too, that they cheated the heck out of this one, both at the general as well as the primaries. Oh, yeah. And, you know, you look at it and the margins that even if even if you buy into the way that they've got everything presented, the margins are wrong. And I think if we were to actually go in there and investigate it, you would find that President Trump won by a substantially higher margin than even what's being presented. And that all of the down ballot ones are For example, I think in this case, what they probably did is they cheated it somewhat in favor of President Trump, but on the down ballots is where they probably cheated it more. And I think if we were to actually investigate this, A, you would find that I think President Trump probably won by a substantially higher margin than what they're presenting. I agree. and that B, you would probably be able to untangle a lot of the other races other than that one. Yeah, I think it's interesting that he won Michigan, they say, by like ninety-something thousand, I think it was. How many of those were... Registered improperly they were you know, etc. Etc. Etc. We can go down the line. We already know That there was probably more than that in ballots that shouldn't have been um So what it was interesting was that the numbers of democrats voting looked the same as not last last election, but the two before that They got better at it. So how did they so But it just, it's kind of humorous to me. I feel like they held back on the cheating, but they have, there's enough, enough, enough of the numbers that people who didn't see it before can see it now, like the tweet you just showed. Yeah. I think it's enough, but truly, I think over time, we're going to see more exposure on that. It's enough right now to make more people question, but it's not the exposure. It's like it's not the exposure I'm looking for. Yeah. Well, and I'd like to propose a mechanism of action that would result in the outcome that they're presenting. What happens if they silenced, say, ten percent of the real votes or fifteen percent of the real votes and they didn't count them or they threw them out? They just basically silenced those, didn't include them. And then they injected another ten to fifteen percent so that the total number matches. But with all of those, what happens if, say, they have all of those so that they statistically match the populace's opinion on only the presidential candidate and all of the rest of them on the ballot were for who they wanted to install. If you're not looking at all of the rest of those candidates and you're only looking at just the presidential race, they could try and mimic that pretty well and take a loss in one area to take a win in others, but still have the total number of votes be what was generally expected. And still, I don't see hardly anybody going after the integrity of the primaries. The primary is where a lot of the judicial candidates got completely screwed. We had some terrible judicial candidates even going into the primaries, but even coming out of the primaries, a lot of the, what I would consider better judicial candidates that were actually dedicated to doing their job properly rather than ruling from the bench, and some of them were actually pretty much right out in the open saying that they were going to rule from the bench on certain things. A lot of those people, those races should have gone the complete opposite direction, but I don't see anybody investigating the primaries. Right. And everything that happens before then. Yep. The petitions, Donna. Yeah. Yeah, and many others. There's so many people that had petition signature problems. They're not even following the process. The Board of Elections is not following the instructions on how you even do signature verification. They're not even doing it. They didn't approach it that way. It was just like, okay, we're just going to strike this entire petition because something's wrong here. And if you have that much of a problem, I don't know. It was handled very poorly. And they weren't just doing it to people such as myself who were truly victimized by a group of people that were just doing the wrong thing. There were several other people that I know across the state that also had problems because they're not doing a true signature verification. They don't go back to the clerks and have them do a comparison. They send it to somewhere like, I don't know, Bangladesh, because that's exactly what they did. And it's outside of the country. So we have some substantial problems here. And we have big problems with people that refuse to follow the policies and the flat out the law. I mean, they're going against the Constitution constantly. And they just write laws, new laws to get around it. Well, right there, you've got a problem because you can't modify those. You can't modify the Constitution. And they did it. And they did it after Amendment, I think, XIV. XVI was a complete sham. That should never have happened. And so, you know, the modification has been going on for a long time in ways to skirt around what the original founders had intended. Well, and I remember watching one of the Board of Elections hearings that you were part of, seeing how many judicial candidates they kicked off. Even at the Board of Elections, they have kicked off so many judicial candidates from even having the possibility of running. just based on arbitrary rulings on their signatures that you want to look where, where it starts. I mean, it starts even, I would say probably a little before that, but that's one of the biggest deciding places right there is the board of elections is arbitrary rulings on who is able to run. You know, it makes me think again, too, about, um, Donna, thinking back to Donna's fight, because you still haven't conceded and neither did Trump. How do you get the diamonds back after so much time? And the only the best example I had found as far as precedent goes was the Arizona governor race. I think it was nineteen seventeen. I think I have that that story pinned now to my wall because it took a year of court battles for them to figure it out. And the loser had to leave the seat that they had held for a year. And they didn't get their wages for that year served. And they had to pay for the court costs. But in the meantime, they had... two people who took the oath of office and were trying to act as cover the post office did not know where to send their mail to they just gave it to the secretary and said good luck we don't know who to recognize and I thought that was you know possibly one of the scenarios we would see where harris and trump both say well I think I've won and and that didn't happen but we could have had two people saying I think I've won and trying to take the oath That would have been really great for exposure, but that didn't happen. But still, I mean, what if what if they go back in time and they find that Trump actually did one? I don't know. I don't know what that justice looks like. We still have time left on Whitmer's term, though, and Donna's term, I mean. Well, and I think the point here is that. that there was just so much cheating. We're going to have to roll this thing back and all the unconstitutional unlawful laws that they wrote to write themselves favor and for unjust gain and all of that. And guess what? We need to commandeer that, take that back because they stole, they, they cheated. There's extortion and coercion going on, racketeering, all of these things, criminal conspiracy, really all the way, you know, all the way back and keep cutting and keep going back until we clean this thing out. I think that, you know, what's really interesting to watch how they maneuver, you know, in an unlawful system because this the legal system the the justice system is just a absolute it's a sham it's just a sham my case I I filed a civil case first right and then the ag's office came in and quickly filed a criminal complaint against the signature gatherers. This criminal complaint is still in process right now. And I find it to be really kind of a crazy thing because the criminal complaint all of a sudden stalled out the civil complaint. And so now what happened is the civil case, a civil case is you're guilty and have to prove your innocence. Criminal case is you're innocent and have to prove your guilt. And they have to prove your guilt. And so the problem with this is, is that I'm sitting here. After how many years waiting for the attorney general's office to do something? Isn't that like a violation of a right to a speedy, a speedy process? It's all kinds of due process that's being violated in this. And they went ahead and it was the office of the attorney general that slammed this in place. And then I know that they destroyed or there was evidence that was lost or destroyed. Because the first investigator told me personally that they had signed confessions. And the second guy comes in and goes, no, we never had those. And I'm like, you sure as hell did. I know you did. No, no, there was nothing to see here. And I'm sitting here going, yeah, there's nothing to see here. Because you know what? You're covering this up. and I that's not the only time that I know another guy whose wife they had a they had a case that uh that um in involved the attorney general and they tampered with internally in um evidence was tampered with I'd love to get I'd love to have somebody content you know come because I have all the names I we have the names we have the witnesses so so does our so does our friend um And all of the proof that it was within the Attorney General's office that they literally tampered with the evidence on two cases. So what are they going to do with that? You know, sometimes you have to just sit back and kind of watch how this plays out a little bit. Because I can tell you what, they are terrified to get into that civil case. It's a terrifying thing for them. Because then we get into discovery. And when we get, when, and they kept asking me, are you going to get, you know, whatever, what happens with, you know, have you resolved it? Have you resolved it? I'm like, nope. I'm like sitting out there just like a bad dream waiting to jump out of the shadows because when it does, and we get into discovery and we start, you know, asking some questions to some of the lower level people that were involved, you think they're not going to sing? You know, I think I'm thinking of that game Jenga where you got a stack of blocks and you have to pull them out one at a time and hope that it doesn't fall. There's one of these times, Donna's case, somebody's going to pull... one little block, and it's going to cause all the rest to fall. There is something out there that's a key that one thing after another, we're going to see justice, justice, justice. In the Q drops, you see the military is the only way. I counted those up. Military is the only way is a phrase that's used once. What else is in is the only way. Transparency is the only way. I think there was four of them. A couple of them mean the same thing. But it's interesting because you have to have all of these things for our country to heal itself. It's not going to happen today in the system that we have right now. So what has to happen in order for us to get there? I'm not really sure, except I know that we have to see it. You're not going to get good elections unless you have the other side, those Democrats who haven't seen it and Republicans who haven't seen it. It's not a party thing. To really acknowledge and recognize how bad it is. And how many shows have you done, Donna, on elections? And there are a thousand things that have gone wrong just in Michigan. Yes. And all over the country. You can't just cover that in one hour show, all the problems. Right. It's going to take a long time to go through it all. But if you... It's like a court case in itself. But in the future, I want our court cases to not take forever and ever like they do right now. We have to just say, okay, we need a clean slate. We can recognize that it's bad. We're going to chip away at finding justice for each one of those crimes. But in the meantime, here's how we're going to fix it. I think the biggest thing to fix this is stubborn, unwavering resolve. And the thought that this world is going to be like heaven, it's not. We're going to be confronting problems from now until Christ comes back. However, we can keep it at bay if we're willing to be watchful and fight for what's right and continue with our... When you take a break from being a patriot, and with President Trump winning, I really was expecting a whole bunch of people to just say, okay, we want him going home. What I saw was kind of the opposite, that there's more people that are awake than what even I thought there were. And it was a great I'm glad to be wrong on that issue because we really need to continue to fight unwavering and say, OK, we just we just I heard a reference this morning from General Flynn where and and Steve, he was on the war room. And it was that we've taken the beach at Normandy here. It's kind of similar to that. But the beachhead, that's it. And now the real work is going to happen. If you think they're going to lay down and go away, I got a lot of news for you. And that brings us back to the on-the-grid stuff because, quite honestly, I think we're going to watch our whole economy be tanked. I really do. All the indicators have been there. We've all been talking about it. Now, all of a sudden, they've got the perfect, and I mean the perfect, conditions to tank this right now. Now, the question is, do you believe it's the good guys or the bad guys tanking it? You can look at it in your life. And does it matter? It doesn't really matter because God's in control and he's going to take care of everybody. It's his will be done, right? So if it's the bad guy's intention, go ahead. God's going to use whatever you've got as manure to make the garden grow. And the system needs to be torn down. If they were to do something, go after the electrical grid or the communication grid, Hate to say it, it would be a wonderful reset because people would have to come to terms with the fact that all of this stuff we think we need has been part of this incredibly evil, satanic, economic invasion of our nation and selling off our sovereignty. to these big corporations, which I'm going to tell you, I doubt that, that people have the fortitude to walk away from this sort of thing. Very few people would, because just too convenient to run to the store. It's too convenient to, you know, turn everything on and have it work and, and then go and play and do your thing. Right. But I think also the communication grid, we have so many false communication tools. misleading communications out there that if you had to actually face people and talk to them, I'll bet you the communications would be a lot less hostile. And as well as if you have a monetary system collapse, you're going to need those people around you. And you're going to have to know who is around you that you can communicate with, what you can do together as a team, put a team together so that you can make it And that's going to be taking into account everything from security to food to water to repair to medical to all that sort of thing. We were talking about this just for a few minutes before we got on today, talking about the Hunger Games. If you guys want to expand on that a little bit, I thought that was a pretty interesting discussion. We had talked about that just as friends and what we thought was going on because we all know each other, okay? And so we got on early, not about what we were going to talk about, but just things we were thinking about, you know? Yeah, so in the Hunger Games series, there's a character named Gale who is in occupied territory. All of a sudden, the troops leave. And he and a few friends realize quickly something is really wrong here. The bad guys have given up control. This doesn't seem quite right. and they quickly realize that they're about to be attacked and they they try and they Succeed in getting a lot of people out of the territory before it gets bombed Unfortunately, a lot of people don't listen to them and they stay and they get killed. They come utterly destroyed but some of them do do successfully leave and flee and survive and later there's another scene where One of our good guys named PETA, he gets captured by the bad guys and he's being held in the Capitol. They do a sneak attack on the Capitol, what they think is a sneak attack. They're going to sneak in there and rescue PETA and they get a couple other good characters out. But when they bring him back, there's a little bit of a fight and they're all celebrating. And Gail says, something's not quite right. This was too easy. And they don't realize it at first until they suddenly, when Katniss meets Peeta, he tries to kill her. He's been brainwashed so that he would fear her and not believe that she is who she is. And he would try to kill her. He was a Trojan horse. In both of those scenarios, that's what I kind of feel like. Why are the bad guys leaving Trump alone? Right. Why are they making it seem really easy? Oh, all the global... leaders are recognizing trump is it's kind of looking like he's already made a difference in world war three is not going to happen they're not going to prosecute trump anymore She conceded already. And it was quick. It was too easy. It was too quick. It was too easy. It's quiet. Too quiet. It's way too quiet. That's why I felt like this morning I was thinking this today right now is when I feel like we're in a calm before the storm. That's why I feel like we're bracing for impact. We didn't get the full exposure that we wanted yet. And I'm not thinking that's just going to come when Trump gets in office and he's going to fix everything. I think something's going to happen between now and then. It's got to wake up a lot more people. And I have no idea what that looks like. I mean, we could theorize all we want to, but a lot of theories have already gone out the window. So got me. But I think we need to. We need to recognize that there's more that needs to be done and we're not going to be motivated enough to do it unless we get really shook up. And I don't think we're quite there yet. And I still don't feel like justice, we can't outsource the process of justice to somebody else and expect them to do a good job. Justice needs to be just us. We need to stay part of this fight to bring all of this stuff out and keep the pressure on everybody. We can't relent just because they have made something look like a win. Yes. The bad guys have left us alone. Isn't that wonderful? We won. We beat them. Go home. Make yourself a cup of hot chocolate. Celebrate with... No. Get your combat boots on and be ready for a hike. Because I think that this is what we got in front of us, that this was just the beginning. And now let's see where they're going to come and what they're going to throw at us next. Because I think it's coming. I just don't know. I mentioned this morning that I suspect that we're already headed there to an economic collapse. This is not Trump's fault. And I suspected that this is one theory that I have, that we're going to see more of that collapse happen prior to Trump having the opportunity to be inaugurated. Because we can't have it look like it's happening because he's in office or while he's in office. He needs to be viewed as the guy who is an elected champion and then successfully is able to act upon that to the best of his ability. We can't have people blaming him for this problem. So if an economic collapse is going to happen in, let's say, wintertime, What does that look like? What do you think that looks like? How can people prepare? That's the off-grid scenario that I'm thinking. Right. It's likely. I mean, it's likely. That's one aspect of what might be likely. Well, and I think that, Ralph, you had a list. I said you had a list that we still want to go down and talk about. I don't know if we wanted to talk about that today or tomorrow. Well, maybe we get into it tomorrow with Dr. David here and and go into the, go into that. I've got my next sketch is Richard Gage is going to be on, and this is going to be really interesting. He, he actually started an organization called, I think he was a CEO of nine, eleven truth. Now he is no, he's is a former CEO of that, but he led the charge in exposing, exposing a, lot of the underlying issues with nine eleven and I think this is going to be a really interesting show but point here is that is that Anything could really happen right now. And I'm going to say that all the time, anything can happen. We are literally, we've been so sanitized in believing the message that we have security. Then that's how they take us, right? What are they going to throw at us? And then say, oh, now guess what? We need to secure you. And this is how we're going to do it. It's like, really? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that you couldn't secure anything. You haven't yet. Why would we believe a word that's coming out of their mouth? You know, the most dangerous words that you could hear is, we're the government, we're here to help. It's like, yeah, pretty much an extra sure that is not the case. Extra sure that that's not the case. Well, it's like we were talking yesterday. I had actually a great deal of relief with the election happening just because The anticipation of a fight a lot of times is a lot worse than the fight. We've been lining up pieces on the chessboard for a long time. Now the fight begins. Now we are in the fight. And we need to continue that. We have a lot of work to do. And we cannot relent on this stuff just because one day happened. The country is still here. It's a little less so. I think we're coming into the rotation here, but this is kind of where we are. This is where we were Tuesday. This is where we were Wednesday night. And it's going to take a little while before we're like, hey. A little bit more work to do, guys. I mean, we're tilting, but it's in the right direction. Yeah, I saw a picture. That is some great symbology. There's a page that I follow on Facebook that I'm still trying to keep up a little bit on what's happening in Hurricane Helene territory. And she shared a picture and said, who is this? And that was all. And some people were like, oh, that's JFK. He's got a beard and he's older. He's aged. That's JFK with Trump. And it looks like they're sitting together and they're like, he's alive. I knew it. And I'm like, wait a second. Where did you get this picture from? What is the location? You know, I'm asking a series of questions and she didn't answer any of it. Somebody else, however, said, here's the original photo of the Japanese minister sitting with Trump. Somebody aged JFK with an AI program and put that face on this picture. But still, people didn't see that sub comment. So they continued going, yay, JFK is alive. I knew it. We're going to have a big turnaround and all everything will be exposed. And I'm like. People, you got to use your discernment a little bit better. We still have a long way to go here. I can hear the rest of America. We don't need no stinking discernment. I know what's going on here. That's pretty much what I'm hearing. I'm going to tell you, there's so many people. There's so many people think that Vincent Fusco is JFK. I actually called him during the night of the rally in Grand Rapids because I have a cell phone. Right. And nice guy. He's a nice guy. But I want you to think about something that is an indisputable, I don't know a way that they could change this. And that is called the height factor. When you're looking at someone who is supposed to be six feet tall or above, let's see how tall is JFK Jr. Let's see, because now I'm curious. Let's find out exactly how tall he was. But once again, people are looking to basically idolize someone, a person, rather than a process, an idea, or a method of doing things. Let's see. Oh, they've got the heights of all presidents. And let's see, we're going to, oh, that's kind of interesting. POTUS of the United States and their height. That's crazy. My husband said, did you see Barron on stage with Trump the other day? He said, yeah, he's been really tall for a long time. Six foot one. Okay. I'm going to tell you, I, I, I should just find a picture. I took a picture with, with Vincent Fusco and I am not six foot one. I'm going to tell you that right now. You're a very small person. Neither is Vincent Fusco. He is not either. He's about my height. And so, and I'm about five, five and a half. You got to get that last little half of an inch there, right? And granted, I always wear cowboy boots. So, so I've got about usually a two, two to three foot or two to three inch heel on most of the time, just because that's what my cowboy boots, my favorite ones. Yeah. So, but, but, uh, he's about my height, maybe a little. So, so let's just say he's probably about five, seven, maybe five, eight, I would guess, but he's not over, he's not six feet tall. And so, so, um, I, I thought that was kind of interesting. So unless somebody chops some inches off of, off of JFK Jr., probably not likely. And, and, or if we've got a way to, uh, to make somebody into a more smallish person like myself or make people taller or smaller, which I don't know the process for that. And maybe it, maybe it's possible, but I, until I see it, I'm kind of like, I don't think it exists. So, but I'm open, I'm open to all sorts of things because the world has gotten weirder every day. And anything is possible. But yeah, very nice person though. He was very nice. He couldn't hear me because he was in Pennsylvania. And I asked him if he was going to be at the rally that night. Brick suit guy was there. I know him too. And so I called him while we were at the rally. Said, hey, how you doing? And several other people. And kind of got the chance to meet with people and say hi to them. And that was really nice. Old friends and new friends. So very nice. That's cool. I think that we have gone quite a distance in discernment, which is really important if you're going to have a bunch of juries in the near future. How do you get due process without teaching people what due process is? How do you get them to discern right from wrong, good versus evil, and truth and fact from fiction unless you teach them discernment? So we've learned a lot of lessons in the past few years. But again, we have we have some distance to go. Critical thinking. So I haven't seen memes that that basically pasted President Trump's face over Lincoln's face. And I'm like going, why paste him over his face? Let's just add him to this. Just add him to it. But kind of an interesting... I should put a Karen the Riveter on there in a meme just for fun. I've been putting Karen the Riveter in so many different places. I've got one right there with the heart hands. I still have all my toys on my desk. I've got a new one too that somebody gave me which I thought was hilarious. I like how his hands are up because he does do that a lot. I am the best duck that ever lived. There's no duck that is better than me. You want to know how to be a duck? You look at this duck. Did you just turn him into a Bostonian? I don't know. It's a rubber duck, okay? Just a little bit. Don't go Democrat on me. They have no sense of humor. I don't know. You listen to the way that his accent changes from one location to another. You mean from one Trump to another? Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen Rally Trump in a little while. I think he got burnt out. Well, I think I saw Rally Trump this week, so I'll just throw that out there. Well, I didn't go. I wasn't there. I told my husband, I said, you know, I've never seen him in a rally. I should have gone to the Muskegon one. I was too wrapped up in petitioning at the time because I was doing petitions. I thought that was the way to go at the time. Wasted my time, but that's one of those lessons that you have to learn, I guess. He's been in Grand Rapids a couple of times. The last time or two that he was there, I had a really bad back that day. There was not going to be a standing in line all day. So this last time I'm like, well, I know he ain't Trump. And I don't want to go by myself. I've got to go with somebody to something like that. And I don't have anybody that I knew was going to travel down there with. So I didn't. I stayed home. I didn't even watch the rally. I should have told you that we were going, but... it was one of those things that we made up our mind that we were going, it wasn't, it, we weren't like making up our mind for a very long time. And then the next thing, you know, there was a bunch of people that were like, Hey, Hey, can I go? And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I think that we can all go and that'll be a lot of fun. So, so it was, it was, it was really nice. It really was very nice. And, you know, they really handled the people getting in there in a very orderly, wonderful way. What we were having the best time looking at was how many drones were up in the air. There were drones and there were, you know, there were cops and people on the buildings watching everything that was happening. And the best part was the Mount of Police. That was cool. We cheered for them every single time. We actually had protesters that were across the street with signs and such. And we're like, we love you as loud as we could. We'll defend your rights. Yeah. and then they kind of were looking at us like you guys are psychotic and it's like yes we are we are we are absolutely rabid patriots who are in there to defend everyone's rights whether we agree or not it's like this and you know what we should be making them go what the heck is wrong with these people they're not playing they're not doing what we expect them to do perfect bam we we've won right there by that by doing things in that in that uh, in that way. Yeah. That's like a novel idea. There's it. Um, I've seen that about, uh, uh, like memes about that for the second amendment for, Oh, you don't want these people to have, to have guns. And then walking out of a gun range with, with all of those people, you know, arm and arm, all, you know, learning how to handle firearms safely and responsibly and all of that kind of stuff, you know, and, There's some good memes in that regard, but that's the same thing with free speech, is that it's more important to protect the rights of the people that you disagree with than the people that you agree with, because that's how you actually preserve that right. Yeah, I'll even defend somebody who drives a Prius, which is one of those things that's an IQ test fail in the state of Michigan in the wintertime. I'm just going to say it. Because I will even come around with my truck addressed appropriately to try to help if somebody is stuck. I still want an electric vehicle that runs off of nickel iron batteries. I think that would be awesome. And I wish somebody would make one of those. Yeah, just get on that a minute today here, Ralph. Just get on that. We need that to happen. Yeah, I need one that's been manufactured. I think Ralph volunteered to do that today. Did you hear that, Karen? I heard that clearly. Hey, if I could get one of the nineteen ten models of those, that would be awesome. No, that wasn't a qualifier. The qualifier is somebody should build one of those. You're it. Yeah, I'd love to. I just got way the heck too much other stuff to do. But man, one of these days. No excuses there. No excuses. We expect a report by Monday. Yeah. I would love one of those though. Cause that's, you know, that's the, that's one of the main objections that I've got with the EV scene right now is that there is no variety in the types of batteries that they're using. They're all using lithium batteries and okay. Yeah. They've got the higher energy density and all that kind of stuff, but they it's not a sustainable practice. If you're going to go for the route of electric vehicles, you should have something that is more sustainable, you know, just by just by the way that they're trying to portray them. They should be more sustainable than gas powered vehicles. Right. That's one of the big goals. Well, not if you've got a battery that has a shelf life where if you let it discharge, it will disintegrate itself. Not if you've got a battery that only has a certain number of charge cycles before the main component of the car that has any value is effectively worthless because it doesn't work anymore. And what, the batteries are like a third of the cost of the car or something like that? In a lot of cases anymore, I think it's even more than that. And yeah, if you had modern... If you had the modern drivetrain components, the modern brushless motors and the controllers and all of that kind of stuff, but you just changed the battery technology and made a nickel iron battery based car that had the modern drive components, you could have a vehicle that would last nearly indefinitely with no maintenance to speak of. But you're talking crazy stuff there, Ralph. You're talking things that last forever. You're talking about something that's not... planned obsolescence. That's crazy. The nickel iron batteries that were manufactured by Edison still work. Right. You know. Well, and let's go back to this stupid EV car thing and the batteries being so expensive. Why do the owners care about that? We just get the money from the taxpayers and give them subsidies. And then, oh, my goodness, I can't afford a new battery that's toast on my EV vehicle. Guess what? We're just going to go back to the taxpayers to fund this and be part of the problem. Yep. And that's exactly what's going to happen here, guys. Watch. I'm a predictor of the future. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't have a problem with EVs, you know, because at least with an EV, you can charge that from a whole variety of sources that you can do yourself. You can run an EV with fuel that is entirely off-grid. You can't really do that with a gas car unless you've got one that can take straight alcohol, because you can produce alcohol yourself, but you cannot really produce gasoline yourself. With an EV, you can produce electricity yourself through multiple different means. That's all well and good. But what happens when your batteries go bad? Because they will. If you've got a lithium ion battery or anything really in the lithium technology space right now, even the sodium ion batteries are going to have that same kind of problem. And I mean, the sodium batteries are at least better, in my opinion, than the lithium batteries in a lot of different ways. But if we... Even lead acid batteries are a lot more durable than lithium ion batteries. We used those for a while. But we had nickel iron batteries back around nineteen hundred and we got away from those. I can't wait to see the corn subsidies stop. All the subsidized crap that they're like they're stealing from the taxpayers. I'm going to tell you. OK, Karen just sent this over. Let's see what this is. This is inspired by your story about telling people across the street that you love them. And you have this. So this guy is watching somebody across the street take down their hair aside. Yeah, we were we were actually we were laughing so hard. The people in the crowd were laughing because, you know, you guys know me. I can be loud. And another friend, Robert, that was there, he can be louder than I am. I mean, he shouted treason in the middle of the arena, and everyone heard him, and it was at the perfect time. I love him. He is so funny. He's amazing. So, okay, let's hear what this guy has to say. Hope your day gets better. Shut the fuck up! Positive energy. Shut up! You don't understand English! so sorry a little bit about the foul language but that's that's what some of the some of what we're dealing with right now there are people who are really hurting and really afraid and they they may react just like that and and he's got great patience and that's what we need to be okay let's play again Positive energy. Oh my gosh. That's hilarious. Did you see the, did you see the one that I, I, well, there's probably multiples I'm sure, but with the woman screaming in her car. No. Do you have it on your channel? I do. Let me see if I can find it with a search. We'll put it up. We're going to go peruse, uh, peruse, uh, Karen's channel and or that's Midnight Rider. That's Carly Bonet. I know her. She's really nice. She is so nice and funny. She's absolutely funny. We had dinner together one night and she's really funny. A lot of really good people out there. You know, it's kind of crazy how many people I know. It's like, why does Donna know these people? I don't know. It just sort of happens, you know. I guess because I don't stop and I go talk to everybody. Do we do the Jeopardy song right now? We're waiting for Karen to post. All right, I'll stop. So anyhow. I think tomorrow we need to talk about the off-the-grid stuff because a CIA guy that came on this week, Kevin Shipp, he was very, very – he's a whistleblower. He's a former CIA. And he was extraordinarily concerned about watching the system go down. and being prepared and what that looks like. You know, if we really look at it, we're going to have to prepare not just for ourselves. And when I hear somebody say, yeah, I got five cans of soup, that'll get me through. I'm like, yeah, I don't think so. I think that we're going to have to look at the people around us and decide how far we think we can help the people around us, because this may be all we have. and to get prepared for this. There's ways to do that and do what you can right now and realize that if God gives us a little more time to prepare, it needs to be a major focus of everyone's life right now. It's going to be too late if you don't get started on it. It's going to be too late. You're going to have to start now and think about what it would take, what you need. If the lights go out, the heat goes out, the water goes out, the sewer goes out, or the elimination of waste goes out, trash pickup goes out. And what are you going to do to deal with all those sorts of things? Just thinking about that. What are you going to do if you can't use the sewer or the sewage disposal mechanisms that are in place? What happens if the lift stations go down and You know, it starts back flowing up your drains because, you know, a lot of people are actually, they don't have natural downhill drainage to their sewer system. They have lift stations all over the place that take that sewage and pump it uphill so that it can drain down. Well, what happens now if those lift stations go down and you start having sewage that starts coming up? Can you block that off? One of your guests said, I think it was yesterday said, um, well, if you're in a city and everything goes down and you, you got to get out of the city right away. And I noticed that she said it cause she really meant it. You got like, I think she said, because of all those things. Cause if you're, if you're in a city, you can't like where I am in a rural area, I have access to water all around me. Um, I could go out in the backyard and take a poop if I have to, shovel a hole in the ground, and it is not going to hurt anybody. Yep. You can't do that in the city. We'll all know not to go and walk your property. We're going to be avoid Karens because you might not come out the same. Well, I mean, in the cities, can you imagine a thousand people on the block or... few blocks that don't have already doing that now in our cities I mean what's gonna change I mean you're gonna have california in every city where they're doing things they that they ought not do unless you're unless you're crazy or an animal okay let's talk about crazy animal here I'm sorry no no no no Why? Why? Do you really hate me that bad? Okay, I got to ask a question here. Why would somebody sit there and put that out there for the world to see how absolutely freakishly nuts you are? This is the discernment thing that I was talking about. I mean, on the one hand, we can laugh because it's so ridiculous and it's so immature. but on the other hand like what kind of life must she be living in I feel sorry for her a crazy one I mean this is like this is like a two-year-old temper tantrum I didn't get my way so let's scream and cry until somebody gives me the cookie no no no no cookies for you and uh yeah no cookies for you permanent permanent Time out. Okay, guys, I'm going to give you a very quick thirty seconds because Richard Gage just popped in backstage. Hey, Richard. And we will, I'll be going to that here. So why don't you guys say hey and whatever you want to do to finish this thing up. Don't be crazy today. It's not a good plan for anybody. And then we're going to go to Richard Gage. This is going to be interesting. You guys all know I've been obsessed with nine eleven since nine eleven happened. Because I remember watching the towers coming down. I was sitting with my dad and my dad absolutely called it. He called it right away. We were sitting there. I had my kids were sitting with us in a restaurant and dad looked up and he's like, that's controlled demolition. And it was, it took him less than thirty seconds to make that. Oh, look at this, guys. This is awesome. Check this out. Guess what I have? I have my son bringing me a coffee. Look at that. Isn't that awesome? I have the best sons. So anyhow, very, very quickly, thirty seconds. And I'm going to be welcoming on Richard Gage. I'm really excited to talk to this guy because I have watched every video I could get my hands on for the past twenty something years now. to figure out what actually happened there. So anybody that's produced a video, I've probably watched it because it is one of my nerd-like autistic obsessions. So anyhow, thirty seconds, Karen and Ralph. Well, I'm looking forward to it too because I did not have that level of discernment when it happened. I did see some commentary about the people saying there was explosions or something like that. I did see a little bit of questioning about the metal melt, the steel supposedly melting, but I didn't have a discernment. And so here I am now having a lot more discernment, but I still have room to grow. And I think that's something that we need to recognize in everybody. We all have room to grow, be kind, be patient, read your Bible, and try to act in a godly manner no matter what happens. There you go. Ralph? Well, I guess just kind of a reminder that this fight's not over. With the election, the fight's not over. It's only just begun. Keep your eyes and ears open. Keep collecting evidence because we are going to have a whole lot of legal battles ahead of us that we need to be prepared for. Awesome. And with that said, I'm going to be right back with Richard Gage. So next hour and we're going to say bye, guys. And we'll be right back in about thirty seconds. Thank you. Good morning and welcome to the second hour of Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg. It's the seventh day of November, twenty twenty four. And welcome to this part of the show. I want to please welcome San Francisco Bay Area Architect. Richard Gage, AIA member of the American Institute of Architects and founder and former CEO of Architects and Engineers for nine eleven truth. He now leads the charge for a new World Trade Center investigation, along with his courageous wife, Gail, at Richard Gage nine eleven dot org. And I've had some communication with Gail. She's very nice. I haven't. Very, very nice. What you would expect out of somebody who is an architect, everything is laid out very methodically and wonderfully and very much enjoying this. Mr. Gage became interested in researching and researching the destruction of the World Trade Center high rises after hearing startling conclusions of a reluctant nine eleven researcher, David Ray Griffin, on the radio in two thousand six. which launched his own unyielding quest for the truth about nine, eleven. The organization he founded, A.E. Nine Eleven Truth, now numbers more than three thousand six hundred architects and engineers demanding a new investigation of the destruction of all three World Trade Center high rise buildings in nine eleven. I was stuck at building seven. You know, I was stuck watching him come down. But building seven is just unbelievably amazing. laying this thing out for everybody have to come face to face with what they have done. But at any rate, good morning. Let's see. We're going to, oh, got it. Morning, Richard. How are you? I'm doing great, Donna. Thank you for having me. I am so excited to have you on here because I'm going to tell you what, right from the beginning, I'm totally obsessed with this subject because I didn't buy it at all from day one. And thank God that my dad was a wonderful person who never believed anything either and was like, why are they, what's going on here? There's things that don't make sense. And I think that critical thinking part of our society, we really need to have a little bit of work in that area and to look at things and not believe things at face value. And now I got the guy, the guy right in front of me, that can talk about my obsession of this and I'm very thankful for you to come here today. I'm grateful too. And since you're all about building seven, I'd like to start with that. So I'll share on my screen and make sure this works here. That's awesome. Well, I really want to know how you got into this too. I mean, there's, there is, you know, and, and what, you know, what architects do is that gives you the background to do a really good analysis in this because, because at face value, you know, We could believe anything anybody says, but when you have the training to actually go through what qualifies a building to either stand or not stand under certain conditions, I think it becomes really, really a critical part of the process. Good. Well, let's get into it. If Frank, the IT guy, could share my screen. Yeah, guess what? I'm Frank, the IT guy, right now. Oh, you are? Yeah, actually. Hey, look at that. It works. Yeah, this is Donna Do-It-All, the Donna Do-It-All network right now, you know? Yay! Well, we want to encourage people right off the bat, Donna, that this takes courage to look at. You've been at it for so long. I've been at it for so long. Many have. But there are others who will be sharing this podcast who have not even heard that an alternative theory like me in two thousand six years. That a third tower came down. Well, what does this mean if this is true? So I just want to prepare us because this can turn our worldview around and can be very disturbing. And I just want to let people know that. that that happened to me and it was very painful. I got very scared. I got very angry when I found out this information. And it takes some getting, adjusting to, I mean, like weeks or months or years even. This is not a pleasant awakening, but a powerful one. So I encourage people to share this information once you realize that It's true that we do have a third tower that came down, for instance, Building Seven, right? A forty seven story skyscraper that most architects and engineers don't even know anything about it. Even though it was the third worst structural failure in modern history, should have been the most studied building failure ever. And yet we don't know about it. Part of the reason is because it happened on nine eleven. But this was a six hundred foot tall building, the tallest building in most of our states. Standing next to the Twin Towers, it seems dwarfed. They were the tallest buildings in the world at the time they were built. Now, no plane hit this building, building seven. And yet it went down at five twenty in the afternoon. In the morning, it was. Damaged a little bit by the towers. NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, who was tasked by Congress to explain these collapses to the American people, said this was not a significant factor, this damage from when the North Tower went down in the building's collapse. Okay, well, let's look at that collapse and see what happens here. The East penthouse and the upper left comes down first, five twenty in the afternoon, and then the entire building does this. And so we have to ask ourselves what could have caused that, right? Well, let's go to the official narrative offered by Shams Sunder, the project leader. what we found was that uncontrolled building fires caused an extraordinary event the collapse of world trade center seven was primarily due to fire fires okay well then we have to look at those fires here are those fires as you can see they are few they are small and they are scattered throughout the building more importantly they are actually burned out on the floor of interest by NIST to propagate their initiation of collapse theory. They think it all started right up here on the twelfth floor, near this column seventy-nine, where they claim that those fires were burning for an hour and a half prior to the collapse. But the photos and the videos show that they were burnt out. So it couldn't have been those fires, which were, according to them and their theory, expanding steel beams, pushing a girder off of its seat on column seventy nine and causing a progressive collapse inside the building. We'll get into that. But fires have never brought down the steel frame fire protected structure in history ever. A type one fire resistive construction is an incinerator. It's designed to allow the contents to burn in case the sprinklers, if they're there, don't put it out. So here we have not lost a building due to office fires. It's not before and not after nine eleven when he's fully engulfed. skyscrapers right we we we've not lost one so then we have to ask ourselves what could this destruction be well what does it look like does it look like a controlled demolition which we see on the left several different versions and on the right we see building seven is there any similarity Is there enough similarity to warrant an investigation into the possible use of explosives, especially since it looks exactly like a controlled demolition, especially since fire, the official cause of this building's collapse, has never in history brought down a steel frame fire protected structure. So we have to ask ourselves, what are the features of controlled demolition? Well, there are many features. David Ray Griffin identified ten of them. We're going to compare those features to building seven, beginning with feature one. Is there a sudden onset of destruction at the base of the building? Well, here's Dan Rather narrating his view of this collapse on nine eleven. What you're seeing are high shots. Now, here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself. Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building. It's amazing. Amazing, incredible, pick your word. For the third time today, it's reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down. What was that, Dan? Deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down? Well, here's Dan using his intuition. We all should be using our own frame of reference. We've seen the old hotels, for instance, in Las Vegas, right? But the problem is he's never discussed this after nine-eleven. In fact, with two exceptions, we've not seen this building destroyed. come down or be shown on mainstream television. It's as if it's been swept under the rug. Again, it should have been the most studied structural failure ever because what? No plane hit this building and fires have never brought down a skyscraper. We have hundreds of similarly designed skyscrapers throughout this country alone. Well, feature number two, is there a straight down symmetrical collapse? Let's look from West Street. Pretty straight down, pretty symmetrical. How do you do that? How does that happen? You have to take out all the core columns at once within a fraction of a second of each other, followed about a second later by the perimeter columns. That pulls in the core and pulls in the perimeter columns on top of the core. Well, the perimeter columns highlighted in yellow here. So can these fires accomplish that level of precision? I mean, this is like grade school stuff, but we have to show it anyway because it becomes so clear to us. If you don't do that in a precise order, you might get something like this, which is not good. You don't want that to happen. And you don't want this to happen. Have it stop halfway down because the explosives don't go off. Somebody has to go back into that building and fix it. Right. If a building is damaged on one side, i.e. building seven with column seventy nine being the first column to go. in the northeast corner, you're going to have a damage pattern, a falling pattern that responds to that damage. So we didn't get that in Building Seven, as you saw in the video. What we are told is that these long span beams expanded pushing this girder off of its seat on this column seventy nine and then floor thirteen falls on twelve and twelve on eleven and so on for nine floors and then this column seventy nine buckles and when it buckles it causes the collapse all the way up to the top but none of that could have happened For one reason, that girder couldn't have slid sideways off of its seat. It's tied into the concrete slab with these bolts or shear studs. And the shop drawings show thirty of them on that girder. That NIST has slid off of its seat. So also the building is fireproof. So it's not going to be heating up and expanding. NIST ignores that. They also ignore the steel stiffeners, key structural components that would have kept that girder running. from failing the flange folding, which is what NIST says. But they have to deny that that steel stiffener was even there. But you can see it even right here behind the beam here on this girder. It supports the flange. the girder would have had to have been slid all twelve inches off of its seat, not just halfway like NIST imagined. Also, if the girder did fall, it would take... ten times the amount of dynamic force to impact the floor below in order to break those girder connections. So we don't have that. So NIST goes out of their way to create a fancy computer model and tries to convince us... Here's a structural model showing the building collapsing, which matches quite well with the video of the event. So the fancy model shows four hundred structural steel connections failing every second in order to facilitate. And they stop it after just two seconds into the global collapse. As you see on the right here, they've got the penthouse right. It collapses in an isolated incident, a separate mini controlled demolition, if you will. But even their model, which they had seven years to produce because this report didn't come out until seven years after nine eleven. And they can't even get it to fall straight down like the video, even though they back engineered it to do exactly that. So we submitted a request for their computer input data and they say, nope, that might jeopardize public safety. If we were to give that to you, then the terrorists could find out how to bring down high rise buildings. No, it's just an excuse. You know what jeopardizes public safety? If you deny access to this critical information that architects and engineers are asking for and need in order to ensure the public safety. Because again, there's hundreds of similarly designed buildings. We have to ask ourselves feature number four, how fast did this building come down? Well, physicists have clocked it. It comes down at freefall acceleration. Well, wait a minute. Freefall acceleration? What does that mean? That's as fast as a bowling ball falling out of the sky. Through what? Through thirty thousand tons of structural steel. Above the twelfth floor, what's happening? And below the twelfth floor, ten thousands, tons of this steel. It's incredible. This building is an amazingly strong building. So NIST was publicly embarrassed in a technical conference into admitting, after having denied for years, that it came down at freefall. Now, yeah, it came down at freefall. What does that mean? That means all of those interior columns had to... Not one of them gave any resistance for that period of free fall. Not one of them. So how can... Did these fires take out all those columns at once? You begin to see how crazy this is? Well... What happened to those columns? Let's look at them. We had a forty seven story moment resisting steel frame structure that's collapsed all in one pile to about a four or six story pile, all severed balls like a house of cards. Hey, buildings that collapse due to natural causes, like in this case earthquakes, the columns and beams are not severed one from another. The concrete is not pulverized to a fine powder. And yet that's what these fires are alleged to have done. So we got to ask, how could that have happened? Were there witnesses that heard sounds of explosions, saw flashes of light? Well, let's listen to a few of them. NIST says, no, there's no witnesses of such explosions. Let's listen to Daryl, a medical student. We were watching the building, actually, because it was on fire. The bottom floors of the building were on fire. And, you know, we heard this sound. It sounded like a clap of thunder turned around. We were shocked to see that the building was... Well, it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all... Well, this is very helpful information. So is Kevin McPadden, former Air Force medic who was there that evening. You heard explosions. It's like a distinct sound it's not like when the compression like boom Like floors that were dropping and collapsing this was Like you felt a rumble in the ground like almost like you wanted to grab on to something To me I knew that was an explosion There was no doubt in my mind And this gentleman who saw a flash of light. I was standing like two blocks away and all of a sudden I just seen a big flash and then I seen the building coming down and I just seen people just running everywhere, chaotic like. And this first responder, Captain Richard Patterson of the New York Fire Department. One seven let go as well and was a series of concussive explosions. And this first responder, Patrick Dillon. I remember feeling that, like freight trains underneath the earth, shaking the earth even, shaking me. That's when we all saw Building Seven crumple in the middle, like way up at the top. It buckled. It buckled and then dropped. And this gentleman who was before that in the building inspecting it, having all kinds of problems in there, including this. Then he had to go into that building to assess it. You can hear the building. creek above us. You could hear things fall. You could hear the fire burning. You could see columns just hanging from the upper floors, gaping holes in the floors up above us. There was an elevator car that was blown out of its shaft and it was down the hall. Columns hanging from the floors after an explosion, an explosion which blew the elevator cab out of its hoist way down the hall. Think of the explosion that must have done that. Hey, this is not a result of the damage from the explosion. collapsing the towers next door because this is before the towers were down and, well, more importantly, the elevator hoistways are on the interior of the building. So the little bit of damage that NIST documents could not and did not cause make its way all the way into the center of building seven, or it would have tipped over due to such damage. So we know that that can't be the case. So The elevator hoistways are in the very center of the building. The cabs are inside these elevator hoistways and the explosions were therefore in the core of the building. So we have Barry Jennings, the deputy assistant in the housing department going into a meeting He was called to because the planes had hit the towers. The emergency meeting went into Building seven, not realizing that they had actually evacuated Building seven after the planes hit the towers. So he and Mayor Giuliani's attorney, Michael Hess, experienced this inside the building. We got to the eighth floor. Sorry, before the building came down. He's very clear about that. When we got to the eighth floor, I started walking to one side of the building. That side of the building was gone. The first explosion I heard when I was on the stairwell landing, when we made it down to the sixth floor. Then we made it back to the eighth floor, I heard some more explosions. What sort of sound? Like a boom. Like an explosion. More than one? Yes. We started walking down the stairs. We made it to the eighth floor. Big explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor. When we get outside, a police officer comes to me and says, you have to run. We have more information of bombs, so you have to run. So now there's information of bombs in the building, more information of bombs. And bombs like this heard in the late afternoon of nine eleven in the vicinity of building seven after the towers came down. Yeah, here's one of the guys who can tell you I'm okay, all right? Here, hold on. You want to call your mother or something? NIST says there's no witnesses of bombs. Well, here's a video witness of a bomb going off in that area. So... If this was a controlled demolition, people would know about it in advance. So we have to ask, is there any foreknowledge of destruction? When there's a controlled demolition, people know about it. What about Chief Nick Visconti, who says, we're moving the command post over this way. That building's coming down. Well, wait, he says the building is going to come down. Well, listen to Chief Hayden. Well, we had our special operations people set up surveying instruments to monitor and see if there was any movement of the building. We were concerned of the possibility of collapse of the building, and we had a discussion with one particular engineer there, and we asked him if we allowed it to burn, could we anticipate a collapse, and if so, how soon? And it turned out that he was pretty much right on the money, that he said in his current state you have about five hours. Wait a minute. In its current state, you have about five hours? So not only is it going to come down, we know exactly when it's going to come down. Even though fire, the official cause of this building's collapse, has never in history brought down a steel frame fire-protected structure, he knows it's going to come down in five hours. Of course, this prediction could only have been made with foreknowledge. So How about these mysterious construction workers walking away from Building Seven, carrying an explosion over their shoulder, looking back at the building, and then looking straight into the CNN camera and saying this. What? So not only is the building going to come down, now it's going to blow up. What's really going on here? And How about these witnesses that we looked at earlier, but had something else very important to share about Building Seven? And he pointed to what turned out to be the entrance to Building Seven's lobby. He said, go in there, go in there, take a break, take a break. There's other guys in there like that. And that's what I did. I finished coming down off the pile and climbed over the wreckage of Vesey and went into the those revolving doors and just kind of fell on the floor. There were other guys in there doing the same thing I was just shaking their heads and, and spitting out poison and trying to get their you know, get their lungs back together again, as I was and I was on the floor. These Battalion chiefs come in through the revolving doors. There was three of them. They had the white helmets. I didn't get any IDs off them. But as soon as they stepped inside, what stepped in behind them were these two people in black with black ski masks on and Uzis. And the Uzis were hanging off their necks. And I don't know what they were or who they were, but the battalion chief started yelling at us, ordering us to get out, get out of this building, get out of this building. They're going to pull the building, everybody out now. And they ordered us back out. Wow. They're going to pull the building, get out. So now there's some volition here about this as well. How about Captain Richard Patterson? So he and I made our way over to the entrance of the buildings. Before we arrived there, there was a construction worker who happened to be emerged from the dust cloud and walked past the chief and I. And he said he had overheard the chief's comment. And he paused and said, that'll be coming down around five o'clock. Oh, now we have the time. We arrive at seven and there were two paramilitary clad. Men with black rifles. Sunglasses. And as we approach the entrance. They closed ranks and said one of them said this building has been secured. Which is odd because in my experience in the FDNY, anybody preventing. Access to the fire department in the event of a fire. That's a criminal act. Uh, The chief and I were not in a position to argue the point given the inequality and weaponry present. So two independent corroborations of foreknowledge here, but also these individuals in paramilitary. What's that all about? Keeping the firefighters from going into a burning building and assessing the The fires. So this really begins to add up to something else, especially when you listen to the witness of Kevin McPadden, who we heard about explosions. But before that, he said something else. They're held back about six blocks away from Building Seven because they're told it's going to come down. It had structural damage. And that's why it's going to come down at five o'clock, apparently. But here's what he experiences before that. He's listening to a radio held in the hand of a Red Cross worker. And he hears this. At the last few seconds, he took his hand off. He heard three, two, one. What? Do fires bring buildings down to countdowns? So what's really going on here? We can get a clue if we listen to the BBC announce the collapse of this building. Twenty minutes before it happened. Now more on the latest building collapse in New York, you might have heard a few moments ago was talking about the Salomon brothers building collapsing. And indeed, it has apparently that's only a few hundred yards away from where the World Trade Center towers were and it seems that this was not a result of a new attack, it was because the building had been weakened. during this morning's attacks. We'll probably find out more now about that from our correspondent, Jane Stanley. Jane, what more can you tell us about the Salomon Brothers building and its collapse? Well, only really what you already know. Details are very, very sketchy. Sketchy indeed. They apologize for this grievous error, citing the confusing events of the day. What, does this make them psychic? They can now predict... It's pretty embarrassing, actually, but not to be outdone. CNN announces at eleven oh seven the collapse of a fifty story building twenty minutes earlier than that. In New York, Alan Frank joins us on the phone in lower Manhattan. Alan, it's just two or three minutes ago. There was yet another collapse or explosion. I'm now out of sight. A good Samaritan has taken me in on Dwayne Street. But at a quarter to eleven, there was. another collapse or explosion following the ten thirty collapse of the second tower. And a firefighter who rushed by us estimated that fifty stories went down. The street filled with smoke was like a forest fire roaring down a canyon. Now, as I think Patty Sabga and others have told you, all of Manhattan is covered. Downtown Manhattan is covered with thick white ash and building material. Fifty stories went down? No. No other fifty-story building went down. No other building went down altogether at all. So he's referring here to Building Seven and can only be so. Had it come down at that time, which was immediately after the towers came down, we wouldn't have any videos of it because it would have been completely obscured, this event, by the massive dust cloud released when the Twin Towers came down. So maybe it was supposed to come down at that time. And those mysterious construction workers going back into or coming out of Building Seven and hearing explosions and talking about it on the CNN camera, maybe they were there to fix a dud that was supposed to have gone off at that time. Well, interestingly, the building's owner came out a year later and said this on PBS regarding the collapse of Building Seven. I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse. Wait a minute. They made the decision to pull. Firefighters don't pull buildings. Pull it is a term used in the controlled demolition industry, not the fire industry. And it's used to bring down a building by controlled demolition. And the firefighters weren't even allowed, as you already saw at gunpoint, into the building to fight it. FEMA and NIST both acknowledged that they made the decision early on not to attempt to fight the fire for various reasons. In this case, they say because of damage to the building seven from the North Tower. They were kept out of the building. No firefighting in World Trade Center seven, says Dr. Sham Sunder of NIST. Why? He has another reason. And had a water supply for the automatic sprinkler system been available and had the sprinkler system operated as designed, it is likely that fires in WTC seven would have been controlled and the collapse prevented. So the collapse would have been prevented if only water supply was available. Well, where does the water come from to get to the World Trade Center? It comes from the north. All twenty-inch mains coming from the north to the south, converging pretty much at Building Seven before it gets to the World Trade Center towers. But they said, oh, when the towers came down, That damaged the mains, so there was no pressure for Building Seven. Well, that's ludicrous when you look at this drawing itself. And even Chief Pete Hayden acknowledges that, yes, there was water available at seven. to fight the fires in Building Seven. And there's backup pumps in Building Seven to provide water. And the water pressure shown by these fat hoses shows that there is water pressure from the fire hydrants that the pumps are using to pump, in this case, put out these car fires mysteriously around the World Trade Center. So they can easily add pressure if there was no pressure inside the building via these Siamese connections, fire department connections on the building. And the sprinklers are shown as working in the building in this video, which shows them working so that they did have pressure in the lower half of the building. So interesting. The lies have been... shown and proven uh nist's lies and in fact um this controlled demolition expert has this to say danny jowenko is the expert on this in europe what did he say this is controlled demolition Very helpful information from one of the top European controlled demolition experts. And about three dozen structural engineers signed on to the petition demanding a new investigation. To add to the thirty six hundred architects and engineers demanding such is Kamal obeyed a localized failure in a steel frame building like World Trade Center seven cannot cause a catastrophic collapse like a house of cards without a simultaneous and patterned loss of several of its columns at key locations within the building. Well, he's backed up by the University of Alaska, who spent four years, three hundred thousand dollars performing a finite element analysis, proving that NIST is wrong, that this building could not have collapsed by fire. In fact, they said if that did happen, it would have tipped over. Well, how do they get the building to collapse finally in their model on the left so that it appears so so that it uh reproduces the original collapses seen in the video in the middle they take out all the core columns and and followed by the perimeter columns whereas nists finite element analysis on the right, they have to stop it after two seconds because it begins to tip over. They can't even back engineer their own computer model to mimic the behavior of the actual building collapse. So NIST finds that fire did not cause the collapse of Building Seven. The temperatures were not high enough to cause the weakening of the steel framing. Thermal expansion did not result in a loss of support for the beams and girders, as claimed by NIST. The collapse of Building Seven was a global failure involving what? The near simultaneous failure of all the columns in the building. It's not a progressive collapse, as claimed by NIST. So that's very clear. And this came out, a hundred and thirty five page report that you can find on our website, Richard Gage, nine one one dot org. But we got to ask ourselves, if the fire didn't cause this collapse, what did? Is there any evidence? Well, yeah. In fact, it's provided to us by FEMA in their May of two thousand two building performance assessment team report, a metallurgical examination that appears in Appendix C. What happened to the steel at World Trade Center seven? never before observed eutectic reactions causing intergranular melting, capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese. Now, office fires don't do this to steel. Office fires get to be maybe five hundred degrees Fahrenheit, maybe a thousand degrees Fahrenheit. But this is caused by the melting of steel, which starts at three thousand degrees Fahrenheit. Rapid oxidation, sulfidation. Liquid iron. Guess what? That's molten iron. Again, that's three thousand degrees Fahrenheit. Sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel. This is all very well documented by FEMA here. And the New York Times says this is perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation. But it's completely omitted from the NIST report when they took over the investigation in two thousand and two, producing their own report in. Two thousand and eight. No mention of those explosions, no mention of hot corrosion attack on the steel. No inclusion of the report that documents all of this melting of steel. Steel members in the debris pile appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures, says fire protection engineer Jonathan Barnett, the author of the FEMA report. But it takes four thousand degrees to evaporate steel. We don't have a quarter of those temperatures available in this building. Not even jet fuel gets that hot. Jet fuel burns only a six hundred degrees Fahrenheit, according to its manufacturer. And the evaporation of steel is exactly what structural engineer Abulhaza Nastani-Azul finds. He had a National Science Foundation grant to study the steel. And we know when we see liquid, molten steel or iron pouring out of the material held in the crab claw excavator. By its color, we get a strong indication of its temperature. We're exceeding twenty five hundred degrees Fahrenheit here. Again, jet fuel burns only at six hundred degrees Fahrenheit and no plane hit this building. But this evidence applies equally to the Twin Towers where they saw pools of molten iron down in the, as they descended in the gaps in the pile down into the basements looking for people. So what could produce four thousand degree temperatures? Could thermite do that? Well, what is thermite anyway? A incendiary used by the military, thermite is a compound of iron oxide and aluminum, which when ignited sustains an extreme heat reaction, creating molten iron. In just two seconds, thermite can reach temperatures over forty five hundred degrees Fahrenheit, quite enough to liquefy steel. We know that open-air fires cannot burn hot enough to melt steel, but metal had melted at the base of the towers. Appendix C of the FEMA report describes sulfur residues on the World Trade Center steel. The New York Times called this the deepest mystery of all sulfur slightly lowers the melting point of iron and iron oxide and iron sulfide had formed on the surface of the structural steel sulfur used with thermite is called thermite producing even faster results. Well, maybe we're getting somewhere. Because if thermite were used, it would explain the molten iron at four thousand degrees. Molten iron is the byproduct of thermite. It would explain the sulfur, hot sulfur corrosion attack on the steel that Vima mentioned. Sulfur is added to thermite to become thermate, much more effective at cutting through steel. It would also explain the abundant molten iron microspheres that we're about to look at because we have evidence of ignited incendiaries in the World Trade Center dust provided by the U.S. Geological Survey in their abundant studies of the World Trade Center dust produced in two thousand and five in their particle atlas of the World Trade Center dust. Billions of previously molten iron about the diameter of a human hair. In fact, they're so abundant that the EPA says these are used as a signature component to distinguish World Trade Center dust from common office building dust. It's not even World Trade Center dust unless it has these molten iron microspheres, previously molten. Well- What does this imply? I mean, given the quantity of these up to six percent of some of these samples, we have a total by extrapolation up to four tons of these particles. They don't even know where they came from. R.J. Lee says, well, they're formed during the event, a separate environmental event. consulting firm, RJ Lee Group, doing studies on the dust. Not before by the iron workers or welders putting the building together, not afterward by the iron workers taking the building down, but during the event. Well, where do they come from? Let's do an experiment. Experiment is the arbiter of competing hypotheses. Let's do one. Thermite. Let's light some. What do we have? Very hot. It looks like thousands of sparks, but they cool a fall into the pan as molten iron microspheres. Why are they spherical? Well, that's just what liquid does under pressure. Like aerosolized liquid, surface tension forms itself into spheres. Well, that happened with much hotter temperatures in other metals like molybdenum. which is a metal that melts at forty seven hundred degrees Fahrenheit. And yet there it is melted. So the USGS documents this and is showing these extreme hot temperatures, but they can't explain. Don't even try. But they show evaporated lead, RJ Lee Group does, thirty two hundred degrees. lead evaporates at. The presence of lead oxide on the surface of the mineral wool indicates the existence of extremely high temperatures during the collapse, which caused metallic lead to volatilize, oxidize, and finally condense on the surface of the mineral wool. Well, this is pretty incredible. It takes temperatures four to six times hotter than office fires or even jet fuel can get to, to evaporate lead and iron. Molten iron droplets falling on the tops of these cars surrounding the World Trade Center. There's no other explanation for these toasting of the tops of these cars around the World Trade Center in the official narrative. Nothing. And We have to ask ourselves, okay, that was and could only be evidence of ignited thermite. Is there any evidence of unignited thermite in the World Trade Center dust? Well, yeah. A team of eight international scientists led by Niels Harit in Copenhagen, study seven independently collected samples, and they find in all of them these curious red-gray chips. They thought they were paint at first, but they're attracted... by a magnet and along with a molten iron microspheres, which they also found. And these chips have a curious component. When they do x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy, they find aluminum in the chips. They find iron oxide, the two ingredients of thermite, aluminum and iron oxide powder. Well, they get real curious, zoom in fifty thousand times with an electron microscope and find nano sized particles of iron oxide and aluminum powders, iron oxide crystals, aluminum platelets, a thousand times smaller than the diameter of a human hair. It's set in a matrix of organic material, oxygen, silica, carbon. Organic material is what they add to TNT to rapidly expand and knock things over, which is how explosives work. Incendiaries like thermite work by means of massive heat, four to five thousand degrees. Well, in this case, they call it super thermite. It was developed at Lawrence Livermore Lab, two thousand and one. explosive composites based on thermite reactions. So it was developed prior to nine eleven and published in two thousand and one. And interestingly, they've taken an incendiary thermite and engineered it to become more explosive because when these particles of iron oxide and aluminum powder are so small, this surface Volume increases exponentially. In fact, at Lawrence Livermore, when they put these in a heater, a differential scanning calorimeter, and measure the resultant energy, they prove that it's thermetic material. And that's exactly what all four samples that they finally documented carefully did. They ignite energy. Well, that proves that it's a thermitic material and not a paint. So we have something very interesting that they produce when they ignite. What's that? They produce molten iron microspheres. with the same chemical reaction as the molten iron microspheres found in the World Trade Center dust and documented by RJ Lee and the U.S. Geological Survey. So we know exactly where those molten iron microspheres came from. They came from these red-gray chips. As if we didn't know, they're found attached to partially ignited red-gray chips, as you see here and here. So you see, this stuff is not made in a cave in Afghanistan. It's made only in the most advanced defense contracting laboratories. And so a real investigation needs to be done, and it can be done, because all of this is documented in a peer-reviewed, twenty-four-page paper in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal, which concludes what? The red layer is active, unreacted, thermitic material incorporating nanotechnology. It's a highly energetic, pyrotechnic, or explosive material. And so we have all the key characteristic features of controlled demolition. And they are very clear. It's a very uncharacteristic features as well with the incendiaries. It's direct evidence of the use of incendiaries. Fire doesn't create any one of these features, let alone all ten of them. with additional circumstantial and corroborative evidence and testimony. This is a proof of controlled demolition with the use of incendiaries, a body of proof that's convinced three thousand six hundred architects and engineers to demand a new investigation, many of whom appear in our series nine eleven crime scene to courtroom, taking the hard evidence of nine eleven crimes to court. Here is the trailer for this series, which we have produced episode one and which you can see here at nine one one C two C dot org. Here's the trailer. No matter how improbable the conclusion may appear when you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." We're bringing alive in the film the sixty exhibits of the nine eleven WTC evidence contained in the Lawyers Committee grand jury petition that have already been submitted to the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan to present to a special criminal jury. This historic investigation is ongoing and there's a role for you in it. Yes, you can help us bring the real perpetrators to justice. Through this film series, we're bringing together two dozen experts in their field. They ignored any scenario involving incendiaries. Demolition work, you're going to set charges on each floor. The building could not have been brought down by office fires. In other words, all of the interior columns over eight stories came down, were basically lost at once. I could make out what looked like from a science fiction movie, Molten Lava, okay? And he paused and said, that'll be coming down around five o'clock. We'll be filming these evidence presentations, not only for our filings with the grand jury, also a presentation to each of you. We're inviting you to serve as virtual grand jury during each episode. that looks absolutely wonderful well thank you don I appreciate that so much and I just want everybody to to know that when we have time and maybe we do today I don't know we will jump into the twin towers and we've got to look at them because if building seven was a controlled demolition and it happened on nine eleven it's part of the conspiracy no matter how one defines that conspiracy it is integrally involved in the conspiracy of nine eleven we have to look at the twin towers which are shown here collapsing at the same time so that we can see how identical these are. Even though we have asymmetrical damage from the planes and the resulting fires in these buildings, how do we have upward, outward, arching streamers, a geometry of fireworks, Freely flying structural steel sections weighing four and eight tons ejected laterally at eighty miles an hour, landing six hundred feet in every direction. Gravity works down. We're seeing something very different here. And they're trailing by thick white smoke clouds. They're trailed by thick white smoke clouds, which are not the result of the beams being on fire. Steel is not flammable in office fire conditions. So why are they trailing thick white smoke clouds? This is the aluminum oxide ash, the other byproduct of thermite, which we didn't mention yet. So we look forward to getting into the features of controlled demolition. And let me know if you want to do that now or next time, Donna. I think I'd like to have you come back on again because we can, we could do several of these and I got to tell you, I am so excited and impressed with the information that you have presented here. I can't even tell you how much I appreciate you and, the organization of people that you brought together to actually look at this, because for those of us on the outside who watch this and said, there's just none of this is making sense. It's just amazing to have it explained in a very professional way, what we were seeing and why exactly this, what the mechanisms were behind this. Have you gone outside of looking at the structural failures in the buildings to any other issues that surrounded it? Or do you stick mainly to the architectural elements? Well, I've learned a lot in the last nineteen years, and so I can respond to any specific questions you might have. But I do in my presentations try to stick to the technical evidence because it is irrefutable, overwhelming and scientific. And that's our best foot forward. But I realize people have questions. You know, how did they get away with this? How did they do it? How who's responsible? I understand that there are some very, very serious questions here. Yeah. And I think a formal investigation would be wonderful to start connecting the dots because I love this. I mean, like you said, it's irrefutable evidence that needs to be looked at. And it really makes everybody that has surrounded everything that was investigated up to this point in a formal investigation or a lacking formal investigation wonder, Really look bad. I mean, it really looks bad. Like this is a huge, not only intentional taking down of the buildings, but incredible cover up. There's a video out there that debunks this in five minutes, the whole, the entire narrative in five minutes. Yes, this is James Corbett at The Corbett Report. And it, oh, what's the name of it? It's extraordinary. Go to CorbettReport.com and you can see this five minute. It's hilarious and satirical. I have played this on my channel multiple times when we brought up nine eleven to get people thinking about the absurdities of. of this entire, entire narrative. You know, when you see in an aluminum, I've done a little bit of flying, you know, and when, when you look at the, the fragility of planes and the wings on a plane, I don't know how they thought that we were going to buy, honestly, with looking at this for two seconds, that a that a plane structure is going to going to cut through a steel exoskeleton of a, you know, of a building like that and cut a perfect silhouette of an airplane in that. I mean. Would you like to discuss the evidence about that or do you just want to make that comment? I would like to make that as a comment and then let's come back and discuss this later because you can't even go like this with the wingtips without them crumpling and falling up, let alone cutting through an architectural structure. It's absurd. Yeah, I do have a different opinion on that, which is backed up by photographs, which we can get into later if you want. But yes, I do believe planes hit the buildings. I do believe the plane impacted and pushed in the square building. squarish, orthogonal sections of exterior structural system, which are only bolted to each other, left and the right and the top and the bottom. So the mass of the plane pushed those in, and you can see the resulting damage up over and down and so forth. And then at the wingtips, they didn't... penetrate the steel. They were shredded like an egg through an egg slicer at the lighter ends there. So it is and can be deceiving. That's good to know. Because I think this is where we all come forward with our questions and go, how can this be possible? And I don't care which way things go in an investigation. I just want to know the truth. And if you can bring things forward to clarify these points for all of us, I think it's a great gift. And I appreciate all the work you've done on this and all the other architects. I mean, what a gift you've given of truth to a person. to an attack on American soil. It looks like it's an attack on American soil, and it sure looks from the outside that it was an attack on American soil from within our own government to me. There's too much of a cover up there, and we are going to have to get to the bottom of this. I hope we do. and bring the people who organized this little lie to justice someday so that we can have peace for all the families that were involved in this and the reversal of some of the policies like the Patriot Act that came out of this. There's so much that doesn't make sense. And we just want to have the truth. And if I'm absolutely wrong with this, with the shape of the plane, I want to know, this is somebody who has no knowledge of the architectural integrity of buildings like you do. I just want to know the truth. Well, what part of the truth can be determined from listening to the witnesses who were picking up plane parts, such as Captain Richard Patterson of the FDNY, who under the FBI's direction was picking up plane parts and delivering them to the particular container, dumpster container that the FBI was in possession. control of. And so we have other pictures of somebody picking up an aileron. There's questions about the identity of the plane, though, because clearly these are not proven to be from a civilian airliner. So the theory is that the planes were switched out, and there's plenty of evidence to support that theory, and that there were no hijackers on the plane that actually hit the towers. So I don't go into this myself, but there are plenty of others who do like nine eleven pilot whistleblowers, which is nine eleven pilots dot org. I would love to talk to some of them. I think that'd be great. In fact, I saw a video a while back of what somebody was saying. It was like the original planes that landed, I believe, in Cleveland. And there were people that disembarked them. And then all of a sudden, there's just so many questions. And I'm not settled on one or the other because we don't have the answers, just like our elections. Everything is so controlled and manipulated that that we need to have complete transparency so that we know how this is happening, who is behind it, and bring forward the justice that needs to happen. And I'm just really excited about talking about this with you. And I would love to bring you back on. And maybe I don't, I mean, we can check schedule. I'm not going to pin you down to this right now, but I'd like to work out something. And maybe next week we'd have you back on again so that people can, you know, prepare to listen to this. And maybe, you know, maybe we can break through some of the programming with people and the cognitive dissonance that's going on here. because I think it's really hard for people to give up what they think is real. Like I'm willing to give up the cartoon shape of the plane coming. And if there's evidence there, you know what I mean? It's like, we have to get rid of the castles in our mind. that we're defending because we think we have knowledge of what's been fed to us because the narrative can go in both directions. And the only way that we can stop that is to go into an actual investigation with people that understand the material and have done what exactly what you have done. And I'm just really thankful for that so much. So perhaps we can, we can reschedule this. I have so many questions. I would be like, I would be like a five-year-old here asking you so many questions that you would be like, okay, here's a cookie. Let's shut her up. I have time. So I think that I'd like to, I think I'd like to come back at this maybe next time though, go into all of this. I'm just absolutely floored. I thought I actually had a pretty good grasp on building seven, you know, But the amount of actual technical data that you bring forward is just extraordinary. And I just want to thank you for that because I feel like I need to process some of this. And just because there's so much information there. I actually saw some of those structural models that you put up there and was looking at how they came down and it. none of it ever made any sense to me. And so I'm, I'm glad you brought those in. So how about we talk when you get offline a little bit and get you rescheduled so that we can, we can, and I'm watching the comments here. I can excellent presentation. Dr. Kent says, my only question is, does president Trump know all about this? Does, you know, are there good guys in the military that know that the enriched that, that, that you brought forward. I think that the analysis of thermite and the enriched thermite is probably answering a lot of questions. And I know a lot of us out there are like, yes, yes, he talked about it and gave us the technical information to back it up. And I just want to thank you for that. You're welcome. I'm looking forward to answering all of these questions. Yes, I think it's wonderful. And we'll keep compiling this and then get another date for you to come back on. I always end my show with a prayer and asking God to bless our nation. So if you don't mind, I'd like to go to that right now. And then we'll plan on coming back. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so very, very much for honesty and integrity and those who uphold honesty and integrity and want to get to the truth in all of this stuff that's happened as we've watched. the absolute destruction of those things we hold dear of our nation, as well as affecting people's lives. I mean, this is just incredible what we've seen and what we've lived through over the past decades. And we thank you so much for those like Richard who have come forward and have had the courage to speak up when they saw something wrong and refuse to be quiet and be silenced. in the face of intentional harm to this nation, to people, to all good things. And I just ask your blessings upon Richard and Gail and all those who stand with them in this pursuit of truth and to get the truth out there so that we can all know and start healing again. for the intentional damage that was done to this nation. I ask that your favor rest intensely upon everything they do, that you would open doors so that people can hear their voices and the warnings as well as the diagnostic of what's happened here so that we can all of us stand together unified in the truth against the real enemy. and the intentional harm to this nation. Thank you so much for this day. Help us to get past the hurts in learning things that we may not quite be ready to hear, but open our minds to be able to hear things that are in conflict with what we believe happened. Help us to be gracious to each other, to understand how much hurting is involved with these with these losses that people have experienced. And we just want to say thank you. Thank you so much for everything you've done for us. You have been a wonderful friend to us and we want to be a friend to you too. In the name of Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen. So thank you so much. And I appreciate everything you've done. So with that said, we're going to get back on later and we'll make an appointment. But without that also said, I'm going to go to that part of the show, boys and girls, where we say ding, ding, ding, ding. Go to BrandonBurrForGovernor.com because I'm the best non-conceited who's ever not conceded in the history of the United States of America. And I want to have a discussion with a real rightful president of the United States, President Donald J. Trump. about this and he's got to wear cowboy boots as we're having the discussion so with that said everybody god bless you god bless all those whom you love and god bless america make it a great day it starts here metal toughness no matter what we see or hear remember god's in control and it's going to be okay we're going to work our way through this as he leads us and it's going to be okay and if you don't have a good example be one never ever back down or be silenced by anyone if you know the truth of something and you have receipts to bring to the table to prove it do exactly what richard and gail have done and all the people standing with them stand bravely refuse to be silenced and don't be afraid because quite honestly I think a lot of the fear-mongering out there is like a paper tiger okay we're just we just got to get to the bottom of this and so stay on the line please please richard I'm going to go ahead and end the stream And we will be talking to you tomorrow. Off the Grid is on tomorrow on our Citizen Journalist panel, and we will be seeing you then. Thank you so much for being on. Bye, everybody.