Published Nov. 19, 2024, 9:05 a.m.
9am News and Views & Turning Point USA Interviews. 10am Carla - CPS is a for profit entity. Here is another horror story of dealing with CPS. X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1rmGPoNWrYmKN Rumble: https://rumble.com/v5qwh8w-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-11192024-tpa-interviews-and-carla-cps-story.html https://rumble.com/v5qwhlt-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-11192024-tpa-interviews-and-carla-cps-story.html Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Carla X
Good morning and welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it's the nineteenth day of November twenty twenty four and welcome to our show today. First part of the show, we had a little change up this morning. John Tater had a bow out this morning, normally Tater Tuesdays. And then I was like, OK, we got to switch directions here. So I was going to play some turning point interviews. And then I got talking to my buddy here, Mr. Deal, the big deal, Chris Deal this morning. And he had some crazy stuff happening. So I decided to switch gears. So Chris is here. How are you doing this morning, Chris? Good. Good. Good. Second hour we have on a woman named Carla. Carla. who has got a CPS horror story to tell. And I think that we're going to have to come to terms with this because I can't believe how bad the situation is. That CPS is a for-profit human trafficking organization, which is probably the largest one in the United States. Did you know that they are getting paid about a million dollars a child to take out of homes? Wow. And there's incentives to the workers from what I'm hearing. that they're incentivized to remove children. So they get their bonus points or bonuses of some sort. And so just the amount, the sheer amount of money that is taking, that is transpiring here is just unbelievable. So I don't know how anybody can look at this and Catholic services and Lutheran services and Bethany and all of these organizations that are taking money for moving people around. I do not know why this is not categorized as human trafficking. And when you've got people that, you know, if fifty-five kids a day was one estimate of disappearing, I've heard eight hundred and fifty thousand kids. And that's probably not counting what they're doing down there in North Carolina, what they did in Lahaina, the Native children that are missing and such. What in the hell is going on here? Yeah, I think that Yeah, I think you're right about that, definitely, because people have been killed over exposing or just saying what you just said. There was a couple whose wife was in Congress at the time, a representative. She had a press conference, and this was maybe maybe five, seven years ago or six years ago, five years ago. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, she brought it to the forefront. And two weeks later, her and her husband were found dead in her house. And it was the daughter that found her mom. Isn't that sad? I mean, Honestly, I just can't imagine the amount of heartbreak that goes with this. They tried to take away a guy that was standing with Ammon Bondi when they were trying to steal his land. His name is Diego Rodriguez. And they took baby Cyrus away. It took them about a week to get him back. But it's overstuffed. And then, eighty-five percent of the kids they take as the reported number, they say, oh, sorry, we made a mistake. Now, I want to put this in perspective here. How many people that they made, oh, sorry, we made a mistake on your bank account and screwed everything up from there. Oh, sorry, we made a mistake on your bank. on your, you know, retirement account. Oh, sorry, we made a mistake coming into your house. How many people would put up with this or how much how many people I mean, if you made a mistake on your taxes, how many people wouldn't be sitting there sorry butts in jail? I'm dead serious about this. And I just I just really I really can't come to terms with this at all. I mean, it's disgusting. well donna that's that's the uh two-tier system that we live under that when we make a mistake we break inflation which brings up a code and the code states that if you do that uh this is how much you're owed to pay the government you know it's like uh it's like speeding you know it's not a law uh if you go six miles over five miles over the speed limit Technically, in their language, you can be given a, I call it a bill, you know, like a restaurant bill or a water bill. You're given a ticket which states that you have to pay the government extra dollars because you broke a code. You didn't break the law because breaking the law is when you commit bodily harm to someone else's closet or property, and that's when you break the law. These codes and everything are just fillers to, you know, just over-tactation. It's a taxation, is the way I see it. Well, it's like they're making money off of everything. And, you know, they really don't care who they hurt. I mean, it's just the craziest thing. It is just the craziest thing I have ever seen in my life. And I don't know how normal sane people can look at this and come to any other conclusion other than the fact that these people are absolutely evil. I mean, look at what they've got with their funds. They've got a special fund that they use if they have any allegations for sexual misconduct. They've got a fund that they can tap into to defend themselves. I don't, or to hide what's going on. I think that's probably more appropriate, you know, but I just, just really, it's just really heartbreaking. And it just seems to always center around the perversions that they seem to be addicted to. I don't get it. I just don't get it. I don't get how somebody in CPS, knowing the system, you can't tell me that they're not, that they're innocent. The ones that are involved in this, they're complicit from top to bottom. It's just like the government. They're complicit from the governor's seat down to the townships. Yeah, well, it's like they create a system within a system, within a system that is redundant. It's all redundancy. And like one person that was involved in this once told me that they have a coding system that they have a certain list of questions that they ask the people about the child, talking about CPS, the interviewer that goes to the house when, say, a complaint is made. So the interviewer goes to the house and they have a list of questions that they ask. Well, it's not so much the answers being graded on a human level. But there's a number system. And if, let's say, the answers to these questions are a yes or a no or whatever it may be, you add up this number. If the number, say, reaches fifty-six, let's pretend, then you pull the child. If it's under that, then there's a backup review. And if in between this area, there's you leave because otherwise there may be, you know, accountability on the government. But they definitely have a system whereby it is perceived by us that, oh, that person, you know, that it makes it look righteous, you know, for that person to have had their child pulled. And so it's all possible. pretty much an evil system. I mean, it's like I've always said, World War II ended, but the ideology did not. And the people that left there, the Americas, I'm kind of touching on a whole different thing, but that was, we've been infiltrated by that. And I think, which is evil, you know, based. And, you know, it's just, we're seeing it come to a, Go ahead. Well, you were talking about something else, a tragedy that happened around you and some of the things that you've seen around you like yesterday. And that's why we thought it was important for you to come on and talk about this, because we have to look at the things around us that don't make sense and say something and then what we've seen in the past. I mean, on a personal level, I think that's, that's really where the news needs to be because I don't know. It's like, I watched this whole alien nonsense that came out with a, with a panel, you know, that was, it's been big, a big deal. There are four guys that are saying, yes, there's aliens, yes, there's aliens. And I'm like, so we're going to believe what they have to say now. Are you kidding me? They're lying. They're ever living behinds to us, you know, off. And it's like, it's like, so now, because we want to hear about aliens, everybody's like, see, they're telling us the truth. It's like, really? How do we know they're telling us the truth? And why now? It's like, it's like, I'm not buying any of this. Not that I don't think it's possible, but it seems way too curated. It's just like that FEMA set up here with the three hundred fifty trailers that they were dropping off. That guy that was sitting in the seat was reading off a paper. Somebody gave him a paper that had the narrative written on it, and the guy in the council was reading that off. And then all of a sudden FEMA pops its head up. No, we never were going to do that. It's about as dumb of an excuse as what Dana Nessel did. No, I don't know. I handed it to the state police. I mean, you know, if you were a mom looking at these idiots, you'd be just like, your toys are taken away for life, right? You guys have totally, totally, you know what I mean? Disqualified yourself from anything pleasant from here on out, you know? So, so what happened last night? Tell everybody what happened, please. So, so I get home like around twelve, thirty one o'clock and, uh, and I get a knock on the door and it's, uh, my roommate and he says, uh, Hey, I got some bad news. So I opened up the door and I said, well, what's up? He says, Adam and Gracie were found dead in Adam's house. And that's your landlord, right? Yeah, that's my landlord. And we kind of grew kind of close because he was, he was the one that bought the house, which I'm living in, um, from a friend of mine that I was living with at the time. Well, that person went ahead, sold, sold the house for cash, four hundred thousand, right, to this guy. Um, she got out of whatever she, she was indebted to and, uh, He just, uh, everything he buys, he bought, he paid cash for, he was, um, flush, but there's a lot of things, a lot of things, you know, it's like wrapping my head around this is, is, um, you know, I have to stick to facts. I can't assume anything. So, uh, um, You know, there's a motivation for why people do the things that they do. And to get to the motivation, you have to find out all the facts first. And you have to take those facts and you have to also get the person's living conditions, the way that they lived, bills that they had to pay. doctors, you have to look at that whole person, right? And then the facts outside of it, you know, in relationship with that, you get the whole story of what happened. So here's a guy that's from Poland that comes to America. And he had a couple of wives, I think. Yeah, he said two wives, and very money-oriented, very, you could say, business-minded. The only thing, knowing him, I'll say it, he just, it seemed like his focus, his concentration was money. That's all that mattered. and he had his own obstacles to overcome I mean he he uh he had had pancreatic cancer which he was given like six months to live and uh he speak uh sought out um holistic health and it worked he uh uh went back to the doctor doctor said hey whatever you're doing keep doing it because It's in remission. So he had cancer. Um, he got on this, uh, they put them on, uh, I guess it's CBD or, uh, uh, whatever it is, the, the, whatever. And, and so he was taken like, like, uh, the, the oils, the, the, the marijuana oils and such. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that that really has some huge effects on cancer. That's one of the things that alternative people use a lot. Yep. Yep. Yep. And, uh, so, so anyway, I guess, you know, outside looking in, here's a guy who, oh, and, um, uh, he also kind of suffered depression, you know, around when he, when he got this cancer, um, and afterwards, during the treatment, he kind of changed. His personality changed. Well, he became... Like how? Well, he kind of got depressed and kind of to himself at times. He wouldn't come out of the house. He would pretty much stay in the house. You could see he looked like he just got the shit beat out of him. You know, it's he, he, instead of being upbeat, wide eyed and let's go, he was like, his shoulders were down and he was, he was just, uh, he just looked like a wet rag, you know, the past couple of days, like he was here and, uh, he sat on a stump tree stump out front for like forty five minutes just sitting there staring and, uh, I walked up to him. I said, hey, John. Adam, how you doing? He's like, oh, fine, fine, Curtis. I'm fine. I said, okay, okay, good. I saw you sitting there. I was wondering what was up. He said, oh, it's okay. I said, okay. Really nice guy. It's hard to wrap my head around why. Anyway, So he talked to the neighbor for about thirty minutes about something, what I don't know. Everything about Adam was about money. And he would never give you anything. He would look for help for work, for example, for people to work for him, to pay them under the table because he could get it cheaper that way. you know, his, his help. And he saw that as a profit. I mean, every, every detail of his life was about, is this going, can I get a deal or, you know, make a profit off of it? And so I think that, that sort of separated him from reality in a sense, you know, to be latched on to something so, so materialistic that almost like, It's like an evil entity that gets you focused on one thing and then attacks you with something on the side that you don't see coming. And it destroys you. Like the depression. And then maybe the depression set in. Maybe he started buying stuff when he found out that he was OK, that his cancer went into remission. He started buying up cars. And he bought a couple of houses. Uh, he started really doing things. And then, and the other day, the other day he comes back, you know, when he was sitting on that, uh, things that he's told, this is what John told me. John said he was, Hey, what's wrong? What's wrong? And he said to John, John told me, he said, I fucked up. I don't know how to fuck up. He said, what do you mean? What do you mean? The money, the money. And John said, don't worry about that. You'll make more money in the future. Put that behind you and just move forward. He tried to get him off of his focus there for a second. And he says, no, John, you don't understand. I spent a lot of money. I spent a lot of money. And his whole, which kind of maybe tells me I'm assuming, but maybe that tells me that he loved. It's like someone he lost. It's like that was his whole world. Well, you go back in history and look at World War II. Before World War II, look at the Great Depression. When people started losing their money, how many people committed suicide because they couldn't handle what they had built and watch it being taken away? You know, I hope everybody understands that we're probably going into a time where we're going to see a huge crash, where we've had incredible inflation. Things are not the same. And so and they're going to get worse because of the you know, I think that President Trump can turn it around. But between now and when President Trump takes office, there's a lot of play in what can happen. And not only that, in life in general, life in general is very, very unpredictable. The only thing that we have that's predictable is God Almighty. And that's it. The rest of it is kind of like a little nerfy. OK. And and, you know, even it says in the Bible that God gives and he takes away. And so. It's like where our treasure is, if our treasure is in heaven, if our treasure is in God's kingdom here on earth as it is in heaven, if our treasure is in people and in our relationships with God, that is eternal. Anything we have here is a temporary work assignment. We're on a temporary work visa to this world. And if we put way too much credibility to it, we're going to fall and it's going to be a hard fall. Yeah, I agree. I mean, one thing, Donna, that is really my life has taught me is that everything you love the most, you lose. At one point or another, at one time or another, that's what it taught I mean, you lose things that either you love the most or the people you love the most. You do. You go through that loss. God does give you. God also takes it away. And I think if you can view it as a temporary work assignment here, you realize that nothing is ever really lost. It really isn't because it may seem like it here. And I think that like the way that I process things is so different. I mean, you know that because we're good friends. But even having cancer, I was like, okay, this is going to be an interesting adventure. You know, and realizing that all things come from God, and he's got a better plan. He can take things away. He might give you something better. You know, even to frame it as a loss, I mean, it's just a change. And when things change, that's usually for good purposes, for growth and such, because we stunt ourselves. Second, my roommate's back at the door. Okay, no worries. So, you know, I guess I can talk about that at length as, you know, having cancer and what that means. I mean, for me, I mean, I literally didn't even skip a beat. I didn't have one minute of sadness. Now it really affected everybody around me. And I really only told a few people. I mean, I didn't even tell my mom and dad for a year and a half. There were probably less than six people that knew that for years. And I really haven't even talked about it until recently because for me, it is a really big fat nothing. It really is. And so it was one of those things that I took on as a challenge and said, you know what, I'm either going to fix it or I'm going to die trying and I'm going to help a lot of people along the way. And so I guess that's helpful to address our attitudes, you know, before we go into things. That even the things that are difficult for us in life come from the hand of God. And it's okay. You know, it changes us. It might knock some burrs off of our personality or or the things that we think. It may detach us a little more from this world and give us a deeper relationship with God, which is really the best. And may teach us some new skills, some new paths, new ways of thinking about things. And all of that stuff is so positive that looking forward into the future, even when things are going awry, I look at things to analyze them to see how we either back out of it, fix it, or stop it. That's the only reason. It's not for feeling sorry for us or anything like that. It's like, let's see what we have so we can make some good choices and run right into the fire to fix them instead of running the other way because we're afraid. Unfortunately, we've been conditioned to be afraid of these things. Watch people's reactions when the word cancer comes up It's terrifying for them. Well, I can tell you, I have spent years experimenting on my own body and researching and such. And I can tell you, there's a lot of ways to get rid of cancer. There's not just one. There's many ways. And a lot of things work because I actually documented what I did. Went into an integrative doctor and they took dictation. for two hours during every single appointment. And I think it's something that we should talk about. When I saw what Tudor Dixon did and used that in her campaign when she was running for governor and I was running against her, I thought it was one of the most low-life, despicable things I had ever seen in my life. It has been such a tragedy in so many people's lives that you don't just throw that out there and say, you know, I have cancer. That's why you should vote for me. That's bullshit. And it's it's despicable to use people's emotions because of something they're afraid of to justify why you should be voted in office. That's no reason. It's can you do the job? Are you the best suited to do the job? Are you tough enough to do what needs to be done? Or are you just going to manipulate people with emotions? That's exactly what she did. And it was absolutely despicable. I could have said the same thing. And I didn't. I didn't say one word. about it during my run in fact I only came out about it just recently publicly just because I really think it's something we need to talk about so when I hear about um you know his landlord who had kicked pancreatic cancer I know people that have kicked pancreatic cancer I know people that have kicked colon cancer. They did it all holistically, naturally. There are many cures out there and it's not something to be afraid of. The only thing I'd be afraid of is running in there and getting on there. getting on their plan to cure it. When the doctor told me, to me, to my face, you have incurable cancer and just don't worry about it. Go live your life and let me handle it. I'm like going, well, your plan sucks. It ends in death. So I'm not going to be doing this. I'll be making up my own plan. And that's exactly what I did. And there's a lot of people out there that are like me. that have actually ran right into it, decided to take responsibility for their own health and figure it out. There's some absolute commonalities between all cancers. that you can see and you can look at and start asking questions. But you can't do that unless you run into the fire, just like we're doing, politically, truth, health, all that sort of thing. You can't be afraid. Look at it and don't worry about it. Because I have a theory on what it really is that I've never heard anybody say. I just figured it out. And And anyhow, it's not something to be afraid of. But the more you can go into... healthy lifestyle and healthy mindset the better off you are in fact this is what I eat for breakfast in the morning you can't see it because I ate it already I make these protein pucks and I can show you guys how to do this and it it's a high protein all pretty much all seed all seeds and I put a little honey on it and it gives you lots and lots of energy you feel good after the fact You keep your protein count up because I was vegan for five years. That's one of the things that I did is I went vegan for five years. And then I started adding things back in when I started getting healthier. And so now I'm a pescatarian. I eat a little fish, but I probably will not eat meat the rest of my life. It's not that I feel that it's evil. It's just that my body does not work well with it for whatever reason. And so I just made the changes I needed to make. I don't feel sorry for myself over it. We just go forward. We figure it out. And don't look back. Don't look back. So something that Chris was talking about just now, I'm assuming he's getting more information about the two people who they found dead last night. that he knows personally, I think that there's the story of Sarah, Lot's wife, that looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt. Well, first of all, I don't think they ever really quoted her name. It was always Lot's wife, but it was assumed that it was Sarah, but I don't know if it actually was Sarah or not. And so that is an assumed thing. So at any rate, What it is, another way of looking at it is that she turned salty because she kept looking at what she lost, what they had. Instead of where they were going. What's the adventure ahead? Not what did you lose? Because if you've ever known anybody that can't make a break from the past, I do. That couldn't make a break from the past and mourned every day what they lost. They mourn every day what they lost. They go back to that. They're reliving it over and over and over again. They will never live a full life going forward because they're so stuck in the past. And going forward from what we have right now, I think what we have and what we've been living for the last few decades pretty much sucks. And sucks not just sort of, sucks colossally. And we're going to have to make changes and real changes and big changes and not look back at those things that we liked about this time of life. but go forward to the new adventure, and that's going to be healthy. Doing okay, Chris? Yeah, yeah. An update on that stuff. Okay, so the son, Mike, came over to get the dad. He was going through some depression things to take him to the doctor and starting. He goes to the sliding glass door because he can't get through the front door. He goes to the sliding glass door to the bedroom. He's feet in the bed, and so he starts knocking on the window. Come on, you've got to go. No response. He calls the police. It was former police also. So... The police say, no, you don't need to see this. What the police found was a computer open. It was on a stove. On a what? I missed it. You broke up. A stove that was turned on. So here's my computer. I put it on a stove, on a burner. Then I turned the burner on, electric stove. And the police said there was an awful, god-awful smell in the house. And they wouldn't let the sun in because you don't need to see this. And they're calling it a suspicious death. So that's all I know. Were there any, was there any, any other reports of like violence or hostilities there? I'm going to assume that there was. Well, I, they didn't say. Your computer's going weird. Your sound is weird, Chris. Weird? That's better. Okay. So, uh, no, that's all I got right now. So, and I'll find out more later. They're going to do it all today and they're going to find out rule what, what cause of death was. Well, it's very disturbing that he was, he was making comments about money and, uh, I mean, very disturbing that he made that those comments yesterday and, And I was just talking about cancer and how when we face changes or when things don't go exactly as we want, when we lose things, we need to be able to cope with that. And, you know, the the coping mechanisms. I also brought Tudor Dixon, who used that to on people's emotions during her run, which I find to be one of the lowest, most despicable things I've ever heard anybody do in my life. I mean, I am totally disgusted by her. I'm absolutely disgusted by her because you don't do that. You fight. You don't you don't manipulate people in their emotions. You know, I could have said the same thing and I didn't. I mean, you know me and I wouldn't I would have. You know, there's nothing in the world that I would have brought that up even in a debate because I thought that was such a low life, despicable, despicable thing. You do not use people's emotions. What would she, what would she, what did she say? Oh, my dad died during my run, and I had cancer during my run. I could have said both those things. My dad died during my run and also with the cancer, right? I could have said the same thing. A different kind of cancer than what she had, but I could have said the same thing. There's nothing on the planet. that would have made me bring that up. It's a lack of character, it's manipulation, it's low life, and she should be immediately disqualified for mental manipulation of the population as a deep state piece of shit. Because that is exactly what it was. You do not do that to other people. It's like if you're going to be a leader, you get in not because you want pity points, but because you can do the damn job. And that you're tough enough and that you're there as a person to lead the pack, not the one to go, oh, that's so sad. No. Can you do the job or can't you? Look at the generals. Look at the generals out there. Do you see them sobbing out there because of their problems? I don't. Are you qualified to be in a military position because, oh, you've got so many problems? Probably not. I can't see a Marine doing that. They're going to power through like with half their body shot off and they're going to keep going and they're not going to sit there and ask for pity points. Right. Or people die. And what happens if you really get into a tough situation, Tudor Dixon, and then you really have to see that you're going to turn into Dana Nessel, a little girl and go, I don't know what's going on here. What could this possibly be? I gave it to the state police. This is like something that an eight-year-old little girl would do. Not an adult woman. You know, I don't think people have actually met many adult women. I really don't. Yeah. Yep. I agree. I agree. we got this little baby nonsense bullshit going on. It was like, man, I wish you would've met my grandma. They make, she made me look like a, you know, and she was, she fought for a women's rights. She was bought and born in a, you know, one, I'm going to tell you what, that's the toughest woman I've ever known in my life. Hands down. Toughest woman ever makes me look like a six week old cat kitten. Seriously. And people think I'm tough. Meet my grandma. Maybe I spared the slipper. You were in trouble. That's what she would panel you with. She'd get the slipper out. Did I deserve it? Probably. Yeah. You know, you were, you were mentioning about, you were talking about things that happened to us in life. And, you know, it's, it's like the, the, interesting thing is most people they they take tragedies and they they don't know how to go outside of it of the way it affects them you know it seems like this world was changed into an emotional uh prison like you live off of your emotions. And that's not the way we were raised. That's not the way we were, that's not the way this country was even founded. They didn't give a shit about stuff that happened to them. This was a tough country where people had to face and endure terrible, horrible things. And the only reason we're here today is because they didn't fall back on their emotions and cry about their past and say, oh, you don't like me because I'm a racist. Oh, you called me a misogynist, so I'm going to quit. I'm going to jump into a bundle of fear now because I don't want to lose my job because you're suing me because I stood up for my rights, something. I've had my downs, and that's what life is. And until you understand that, life is not a nice soft bed that you sleep on. It's about ups and downs. And I've been up, and I've appreciated it, but I've been down. And when I've been down, once I got back up, then you realize, well, you know, this is it. This is the way it is. I've got the tools, you know, to get me back up. So, you know, so if I fall again, you know, I'll know what to do. Well, and I know some of the hardships that you've been through in life. And you're just an extraordinary individual for all that you have gone through in your life. And, you know, it's like, I mean, we're friends. And the reality is, is that just the extreme things that I would say that we go through in life really brings out character. If you're following God, he uses that to strengthen you. It's like going through, you know, we had a discussion about boot camp yesterday and the toughness of going through life. And I, yeah, my life wasn't exactly rosy. I'm going to tell you that. You know, I had some, there were some really, really horrible things. And they truly make you a little more resilient as long as you don't sit there and feel sorry for yourself. And look at that and go, well, I guess I won't be repeating that again. And or, well, I'm not going to do what those guys did or those gals did because this is just wrong. And not look at yourself even as a victim or somebody that is in a bad spot. You just learn from that, move on, and don't look back. And I was talking about Sarah and Lot. When Sarah turned into a proverbial... Pillar of Salt. I don't think they even quote her name in the Bible, actually. It was an accepted thing. But it was because she looked back on what she lost, not looking forward on the adventure that God was giving her at hand. And if we don't learn to think that way, we will forever live in the past, mourn what we lost, which you can't compete with a ghost, right? Because we make these stories of our past much more than they were. And I think it was Caesar. I got to remember that I had to memorize different things in literature in high school. But it's that the evil that people do are often turned with their bones. Well, the good, I'm not going to quote it exactly. I'll choke on this. It's been over forty five, fifty years. Well, the good it or the good is often interned in their bones. I should I should look it up. But the point being is that people remember all the good things in the past. They don't really remember as many of the struggles unless you're caught in a very psychotic loop. Most of us will remember, oh, I remember when this happened. It's like, you ever watch that show on South Park with the member berries? I member, do you member? It's hilarious. I missed that one. Absolutely hilarious. Totally irreverent on stuff, which is why I probably, with my warped sense of humor, find it to be absolutely hilarious. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm very sorry for your loss, and it sounds like it was probably a very... suspicious and unfortunate. And so it's Mike is a son. Yes, he's got a couple of sons named Adam. He's got one wife married into. She had a son named Adam. They had a couple of kids and then they got divorced. She went with another girl and they had kids and he named the son Adam. So he's got a couple George Foreman, George, George, George, George. Well, you know what, let's stop and pray for them a minute. And I really think we should pray for them and everybody in this situation because of, you know, what a horrific thing this family is going through. And, you know, that God would carry them through this. You want to pray or do you want me to? You can go ahead. Dear Heavenly Father, I don't know why these things happened. And I thank you that Chris is involved because he is such a blessing to everyone around him in being able to kindly, gently, and accurately help people through situations that are negative. And I ask that you would Have your favor rest upon Chris as he goes forward to help this family in any way that it presents itself. And I ask that you would bless his children and the people around him and his wife. They all have families and such, and the effect that this has on all those around them. And whatever happened there... Don't even really know how to pray for this right now, but you know how to deal with a situation of incredible loss. Please give them peace, your peace that passes understanding. Send them people to help them through this situation. Keep depression and despair far away from them. And give them the strength to walk through this the best way that they can and as you lead them. Not a fun situation at all. This is a tragic, tragic situation. And it's so hard for us human beings to process these type of losses. But we know and we're going to trust that you have this situation well in hand. And that even though it seems bleak right now, that good things will come out of it. and everyone in the situation will walk forward in a very stable, healthy mindset. And remember the good times, but walk into the next adventure knowing that you can keep him and his wife, you can keep Adam and his wife and everyone in the situation safe and secure, that you would hold them and heal them and keep them safe with you in heaven. I pray that that to be true and that they would spend eternity with you while you would be able to help heal them through their hurts and give everyone hope. We know that you are able to do all things. We don't know any more about them than that. But we pray for them and we pray for the peace that passes understanding for everyone involved in this and that there would not be a repeat crime or a repeat instance of this that would happen. With anyone else near this situation, thank you so much for being with us in our good times and in our tragedies. We thank you for all things, even though sometimes they're pretty unpleasant and horrific. We do thank you for the fact that we can walk through these things with you. In the name of Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen. It's all hard things to pray for, you know? That was beautiful because, you know, like, that was nice because, you know, God, I also know that you know, God may put what we seem like is an obstacle or we may think that it's a bad thing when actually, you know, it's just different. You know, when you kind of take yourself, I take myself sometimes out of my own body, but to look at it from the outside because it's not so much about us as it is about maybe the will of something greater and so maybe something coming around the corner these differences in our lives have to occur Well, and I think that's a good way to look at it. And that's the only way really to handle crisis. You can't be in a crisis and have your emotions going crazy. You're absolutely worthless. Anybody that has their emotions not under control in a crisis is totally worthless in that situation. I mean, it's true. I mean, you've seen it. I've seen it. Yeah. What was that? Well, it's true. It's really true. In fact, I was talking to one of our superintendents that worked for us for years. And I just love this guy so much. He's amazing. And his name is Tony. Tony's probably out there. I love Tony. He is a very, very smart, elegant man. He's a grandpa, and his wife Susan are just wonderful people. I love them to pieces. And he was telling me about some of the tragedies he went through as a, you know, as a – a superintendent of jobs and such and what happened. He worked in Algiers, he worked all over the place and told me about some terrible tragedies because when you work with heavy equipment, you're going to see injuries. And sometimes they're just absolutely horrific. And if you don't see them, you're going to be affected by them because it's going to happen around you somewhere. And so especially when you work with the big gas companies and that sort of thing, you're going to see them. So you have to be able to deal with it. Now, going forward in this nation, we're probably going to see some tragedies. It's the way it is. And so you're going to have to be able to deal with it and get outside of your emotions. So he talked about one incident. He said, I'll never know how it happened. But a guy was going up like a hill or a mountain in a dozer. And for some reason, a rock way up the hill from him. Let's see where I'm at here. That way came coming down. Boom. It made a jump. It made a jump just before it got to the dozer. And he said it was a huge, like a huge rock. I'll just call it a rock. It wasn't quite boulder size, but it was a rock size. Perfectly fit through the cage in the cab and squished him in the seat. And it just went boom, boom, boom, nailed him in the seat, tip the dozer over backwards as he rolled down the hill. But he was dead when the, with a boulder coming through the front of the camp. And, uh, And, you know, and he's like, everybody was absolutely losing, losing their mind. And he said, you know, I, I, he said, I just went there and he said, people think I'm really cold. He said, it's not that I don't feel it. It's that when you have to deal with something, you have to set your emotions aside. So And he and I are very similar in that way too. And people think you're really cold. It's like, no, we're just adults dealing with business. It doesn't mean we're not sad. It's just that we compartmentalize that off to the side. For a moment, yeah. Yeah, and then you come back to it later. You come back to it later, and you're able to process it. It's actually very healthy because even when you come back to it later, you're able to put things in perspective because you can analyze what you've been through or what you've seen. It's like my father-in-law was blown up in a horrific accident. And I can talk about that for quite a while. I've got pictures of that. It was just horrific. And we lost three large buildings when that happened. And it was an LP explosion. He got up in the morning for coffee, flipped the light switch, and kaboom. You know, you could hear the explosion seven miles away when we got there. It was just a debris field and a thousand feet in every direction. And didn't didn't know where he was. We're afraid to walk anywhere because we didn't know where he was or fragments of him. I mean, it sounds really, really horrible. But ended up going blowing down into the basement. And he found him about forty five minutes later. But he did die that day. And you go into, you know, you go into a coping mechanism. And I would say that the best people I've ever seen in a crisis would have to be myself and my husband. You know, he he I remember getting out of the truck. I'll never forget it. You know, he's facing his dad's absolutely for sure death. And he put his he put a safety vest on. He put his hard hat on. Only words he said as he looked at me and he just said, this is recovery, not rescue. And that was it. And then, then started walking, walking and, you know, it's like nobody knew where to go or where not to walk because I mean, it was, it was a splintered everything into about, you know, very, very small fragments. And it was, it was, it was not a small situation. It was huge. And, uh, uh, yeah, that was, uh, that was quite, quite an experience, but you kind of go into compartmentalization. You have to, because you have to deal with things. and uh maybe a little bit of shock too just because you're just like the hell but so that's that's uh that had to be really really hard for him and you to face you know I think that it's because we're so good at compartmentalizing things we go right into work Right. And so so it probably doesn't affect us the same way it does most people, because when something bad happens, we both look at it as we have a job to do. Right. And that's that's the that's the way you look at it. It's like, OK, we have a job to do. And so that's that's where we go. It's amazing you guys sound like firemen because that's how we respond to the calls that we did. Same thing. I mean, it's a response that some people have, some people don't. Yeah, and I think there's some training involved in that. I got to see if my next guest is. She's a little late getting on here. I'm going to see if they're having troubles. and uh such so oh here we go and uh she texted me so um we'll see what happens here just talk amongst yourself a minute and I'm gonna see if I can get a hold of her okay all right so people I I really think that that's um That's a remarkable story of the way that I seem to think that the leaders of this country should be like, because they have to deal with hardships that not only affect them, but they affect everybody. So that's kind of like the mark of a good leader. right there, you know, being able to handle situations that were otherwise most people would, you know, flip out or freak out or just, just, just go, go into themselves. And, um, I remember, you know, when I was, when I was a fireman, uh, in an EMTA. I'll be right back. Just keep talking here, please, Chris. And, and yeah, I remember, um, I remember some things that I can tell you a story about about this. There was a carload of kids, high school kids that that were on their way to a graduation party. And they had just gotten the boy had just gotten a brand new Mustang Ford Mustang for his graduation. He picked up his three friends. They were on their way. They hit a telephone pole. on, uh, and the vehicle just blew up into flames. And when the guys responded, um, one of them tried to pull, pull one of the people out. I mean, they were, the fire was mostly, I mean, mostly done. The worst part of it was over, but you couldn't recognize anybody in the car and He went to pull the one person out and just the arm came. And so he looked and he dropped the arm. He picks up his radio and he goes, forty-nine communications. And on communications, it's like, go ahead, forty-nine. yeah, I'd like to report for crispy critters. And that's, those were the words that came out of his mouth. He didn't know what he was saying, but I mean, he got punished for basically by the system for saying, saying that because it was pretty, uh, you don't say things like that. And FCC is very, has very strict rules, but that was the way he was dealing. Yep. way he was processing it, as weird as it may sound, that was sort of like his escape or his soft cushion to fall back on was a, I don't know if you would call it a humor or whatever, but it was a way in which he was trying to, you know, yeah. process it, process what he saw. Well, when people are in trauma, they're not going to always react in the textbook case of how you should. And right now, our entire nation is really kind of in trauma. That's what I see. I think that we are all in trauma. We've watched horrible things come out. in the open. And so you see people that react poorly from both sides. And a wise person can interject certain words at certain times and decelerate the entire situation if we're careful and realize these people aren't quite in their right minds. And so what I saw at the GOP, the Kent GOP this week, is you've got people who have lousy communication skills. Well, it was last week, I guess. Nick Pearl came on and talked about it. Lousy communication skills, first off, absolutely horrible. And they start sniping at each other. instead of sitting down and actually talking and being productive. And there's no leadership whatsoever happening. and so the the problem is is it just turns into a shooting fest because nobody's in charge and I told somebody last night I said you know what the problem is they that they they and this goes back to trauma they're all in trauma they're trying to fix something they feel out of control of they've seen terrible things people are in trauma so they do dumb things they say dumb things And they are unpredictable. And so if we get tied into even that in a political realm or everyday life realm, we end up getting sucked into it and we become as crazy as they do. The only way you can deal with it is put your emotions aside and be able to treat it as a trauma situation and not react. I think that's just so important. Not react. Just, well, well, well. Take a walk around the building before you utter one lousy word because those words can be so damaging. But I can't even imagine what our first responders and, you know, ER doctors. Can you imagine the ER doctors and staff? And they're expected to be perfect all the time. veterinarians. People are treating other people as non-human. That they're supposed to be perfect. You know what? Just get over it because people are people and there's nobody perfect. There was one perfect and his name is Jesus Christ and he didn't throw a stone. And that's just the way it is. Little grace in times of trouble. If you have a pattern, there's patterns and that's That's something totally different, you know, but. You know, I notice also there's a lot of people. Hang on a minute. I'm going to say something. Carla's backstage. When you guys are ready, give me a thumbs up, okay? So give me a thumbs up when you're ready. So anyhow, go ahead, Chris. Yeah, it seems like, you know, when you mentioned the thing about trauma. It seems like there's a lot of people, I don't know if it's a denial that they don't want to hear, even hear, you know, what's going on. but there's a lot of people that are just living in their own world. I don't know about you, but it seems to me, if you see the same thing, I don't know, but it just seems like a lot of people are so far removed from reality and in their own world that they don't see the things that... that I see maybe it's me I maybe it's me that that I don't know but these people are just living like nothing's ever nothing's really going on it's just just the just another day you know just just making my money you know all that I don't believe that nothing's going on you know this is this is uh the same world we were living uh four years ago well no it's it's not yeah it's not not what I see I mean I I'll tell you I see I see some different things I I don't know if it's me it's you know or maybe it maybe maybe nothing's really going on maybe it's maybe it's all me but It's not you. Okay, so there you go. I'll say it's not you because if it's you, it's me, and I'm not willing to go there. But the point being is that I think that even in the political parties and in different things, people are so stuck on their own knowledge. And the Bible talks about it. Lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge Him. and he will make their your path straight and so they're making these hard fast decisions on things that they will not give up or say I was wrong or there's a better way to do it it's either there's always two choices it's either this way or that way this way or that way there's not so well maybe it's out maybe the the answer is up here you know so they're stuck within their own minds you know it's like It's like I think that there's some other options that need to be explored other than the two options were always given in any decision. There's always more than that. And the best answer might be coming from somebody that you don't even expect it from. And, you know, people need to be listened to because, you know, it's like it's like the power players that they stick in front of us. Are they the right answers? I don't think so. I think the right answers are probably coming from somebody that's actually doing the work out there, which is honestly why I like the way that Kennedy has approached things is asking for people's feedback. I love this guy. He's actually asking people because the right answers are sure as hell not coming from the politicians because they're the ones that have been funding CPS. They're the ones that have been human trafficking people. They're the ones that have been taking money and going to Ukraine or Poland or wherever, you know, you know, any of the stands, you know, whenever Stan shows up, it's going to be a bad day. You know, Kazakhstan, Afghanistan, there's going to be some sort of nonsense going on there. You know, it's just like with Afghanistan and what they did there. How in the world can they justify leaving out and leaving every piece of equipment there in the hands of the terrorists going to go to terrorist places? I mean, I mean, are you out of your mind? It's crazy. But anyhow, I want to bring my next guest on. Thanks for coming on today, Chris. And I'm really sorry for your loss and for the, you know, it's kind of sounding like it was a double homicide of some sort, whether it was suicide or homicide. It doesn't sound, it doesn't sound like it was an innocent death and I'm so sorry. Well, thank you very much for that. I'll keep you posted on what I hear. But yeah, I agree with you on that. I'd like to know, and God bless their family and this time of loss. What a sad time. So we'll be back in about thirty seconds here, everybody. I'm going to take a real quick break with a couple of new friends and we're going to be talking about the horrors in CPS. This this organization needs to be designated as gone. You know that we designate them as like domestic terrorist organizations because they're taking money. It's a for profit organization. taking money for stealing the kids. And I'm like, I'm like, how can this possibly go on without anybody saying you people are despicable and you're going to be burning in hell. You keep this crap up because there's going to come a day of, of judgment on this, you know, child trafficking as under the guise of we're good. The government we're here to help pretty much extra. Sure. That's the biggest bunch of bullshit. Everybody, anybody's ever said, so we'll be right back. Thanks, Chris. Good morning and welcome to the second hour of Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it is November, nineteen, twenty, twenty four. And welcome to our show. We're going to go right into the next hour with our buddies. And how are you doing, Carla? Squeeze together. There you go. How you doing? Good, how are you? Morning. I'm good. Thank you for coming on and sharing your story. Thank you for having us. Can we just say first off, we're getting a really bad delay and so we're getting a double signal here. It's difficult to understand. That's no problem. What we'll do is I'll just, I'll just be quiet and let you talk. And then I think that's a good way to do it. Some, we can keep the connection up here really well, but when it goes to over the lines quite often, we get some interference there. And so this is, this is, I always tell people, this is what you get. This is real news for real people by real people at the kitchen table, kind of sorta and and that we're just going to talk. Well, tell me about your story and what's going on, please. Okay, well, let me start. I wanted to show you some pictures of me and my children. So, can you see that okay? Yeah. So, I have a ten-year-old son, and then I have a seven-year-old. Let me find it in here. She's right here and right here in the middle. I now have a seven-year-old daughter. And so, my name is Carla, and this is Brad. I'm Carla's tenant, but I've been working for her off and on for about a year and a half, helping her with her case. She's been helping me out with the place to live. So I've just, it's been a mutual beneficial relationship. And I apologize my voice is worse. I just got to get over a bad cold. Both of us. Hopefully our voices won't crap out. God brings us together when we need friends. So that's awesome. So just for starters, Um, I guess I wanted to start with why my kids were taken in the first place. So, um, I can't even describe to you how, what an evil organization. And, um, they were recently taken from us in twenty, twenty two at the end of, at the very beginning of November, because my ex had been beating me so badly that I was throwing up black. And I had black diarrhea. And so I called nine one one because he wouldn't let me go to the hospital. I hadn't actually walked for over two and a half years because he beat me so badly. He'd blown my knee out. I didn't know what the reason was. He just wouldn't let me go to the hospital. So I called nine one one and I went to Mountain View Hospital and all they did was clean me up. And then that night he was all pissed off that I went to the doctor and he punched me in the face and broke one of my cheekbones. And he was throwing me in and out of my chair and he was punching me in the ribs. And my children hadn't, I mean, I've been up all night having the same symptoms. And so I, he went to the bathroom and I called nine to one because I was for sure thinking I was going to die at that point because he held guns. Could you pull the camera just a little closer? Cause I'm having trouble hearing you. Yeah, I think that your sound is coming just in and out just a little bit. There you go. Let's try that. What's the sound, Fred? Yeah, no, you're better just being closer. Is that better? Okay. We're going to have to cuddle. So anyway, we... Is that good? Okay. So anyway, I had to call... because I had dinner all night and it was on a Saturday, so the kids had to go to the hospital with me. Well, because I had called twice for the same thing, they basically told me that they sent police to my house and they checked out the house. Well, because I couldn't walk, I would get in a wheelchair and try and clean as much as I could. There's only so much you can do from a wheelchair. And so the house was a mess and my ex believed that because he didn't, because he worked, he didn't have to clean anything and he's just lazy and he was a drinker and he was a beater. He beat me and the kids. I have pictures of it. Where are those? I can show you some pictures of me. If you look up close, these are the kind of things that he did to me. I mean, you can just see these bruises just covering my body. Let me put this down. Oops, this one. Can you see my legs, my arms? See my back? There's no way I could have done those to myself. Of course the police will say that Oh, you could have doctored those in Photoshop. Yeah, but those are my hands and those are my legs. You can see this one is covered right here. So I have more of them, but they're very graphic ones. Here's a photo of him. He'd sent Carla. And can you see the stains on the mattress? That's his mattress that he sleeps on. He moved down to the basement actually like three years ago. before this happened and um because he's cheating on me as well really wanted to be able to talk to him and pay women for sex on the phone and things like that so you need to move closer to the camera again I'm sorry but you're come you're going in and out once in a while yeah there you go let's try that well let's see um as long as you sit up like that I can hear you okay So anyway, so I had to call them one. So they came over and the house was a complete mess. And so one of the nurses came in and said to me, can I take your kids to get a snack? And I said, okay, that's fine. And they didn't do a single test on me at Mountain View Hospital. so within a minute after the nurses took my kids out to get a snack cps came in with one of the head people from the um hospital and a police officer and said that they had taken my kids and I'm sitting there sobbing and trying to sleep this paperwork and I'm it wouldn't even give me a reason why and it was snowing really hard they didn't take their boots they didn't take their jackets they just took my kids out in the freezing cold in the freezing snow without any shoes or jackets on. And so the person from the hospital told me that I was a terrible mother and that no one in Idaho could help me that would have to leave the state, which was a complete lie. And they doctored all of their reports on my, when I finally got the records from them, they're complete lies. And so anyway, so I went with my sister, Diana, we went to court the next day and then we went to Utah. And when I got to, I was there for less than hours and I had to be taken by ambulance to the hospital because my ex had broken so many of my ribs and, um, That's why I was bleeding internally. So I had to have an emergency surgery. And I'm anti-vaccine. I'd never had the COVID vaccine. And after he did the surgeries, they were pouring iron into me. He said, you're gonna need two blood transfusions or you're gonna die tonight. And my doctor had even told me that I shouldn't get the COVID vaccine because with my underlying conditions, I could die. So I got a blessing. And then I had the two blood transplants and I felt better. And then they sent me to a rehab for two months to try and get me to walk again, but never did an x-ray or an MRI. And my ex-husband came to visit me when I was there a couple of times and tried to greet me while I was actually at the rehab facility. Um, so when I say that he, he beat us almost every day, he would hold next to our head. He took my son to his room four times because he has ADHD and told him he was going to have to watch him blow his own head off. So he would know he was the worst child in the world. And then I had him removed protection order on May fifth, and after that they told their counselor that they had been molested. So. I turned it into CPS or she turned it into CPS and they opened one investigation where they go and they disclose, you know, where they go to the police and they talk and they're supposed to disclose what had happened. Well, it's completely normal for a child not to disclose on the first time. And so I found out a couple days later that they had completely closed the case. And so I said, why'd you close the case? And they said, we didn't, CPS did. And I said, why? He goes, I don't know. He goes, I don't know. So they disclosed to a counselor again, and CPS, and it disclosed probably a total of six times. And CPS refuses to reopen the case. And so at this point, so I finally got, after I had him removed, um, I got the kids back five days a week, and then I got divorced on September, eleventh, twenty three. And he didn't, he didn't even try to fight the divorce in a divorce decree. It says that he cheated, he beat us, held guns in his head, and he molested my children. And, um, so. Everything was going fine until last November, was it the nineteenth or seventeenth? Seventeenth. Seventeenth. So my doctor, I had gone to my doctor for a weight loss drug called Topiramate, and he didn't look into it well enough to see that I couldn't take it with my anti-anxiety medication and my PTSD medications. And so I... started throwing up. I couldn't even get up. Brad was there. He was trying to help me. I mean, he would have to bring meals to me, and I still couldn't keep him down. And then he and I had gotten into an argument about something stupid. And the next day, I was in a horrible situation. And so I called my friend Julie, who used to be their former foster mom, which you wouldn't believe what she has to say about CPS. And I was completely out of it. And so I called Celeste and Will to come over and look at the text messages between Brad and I. The neighbors next door. The neighbors next door, yes. Supposedly friends. Supposedly friends. And they convinced me that Brad was going to hurt me. And I was very susceptible to any suggestion at that point because it can cause so it can even cause psychotic episodes if the medication was so bad so they came over when julie came to the kids after school and they were yelling at me I have no recollection of them even being in the house but later on that night I called him I told him I woke up from a dream or I had an episode from the notification and I saw my ex standing over me with a gun so I pulled my gun out of my lock box. It's a finger touch one. And when I looked up again, he was gone. So I called Will to see if he was still in my house. And my next door neighbor came over and beat me. And beat me so badly that I've had multiple surgeries and I've had to have and I'm going to have more. And the police refused to let me turn him in. They sent me and I have on the body footage camera where Deputy Williams is speaking to my neighbor, Will, and he is making fun of me and saying that I'm the laughingstock of the Bonneville Police Department because I call all the time and get them to reopen the molestation charges and all these other things. So anyways, even though my children were not there and were not harmed in any way, they took my kids away from me. And then I didn't see them for a couple of weeks. And then I started getting one visit twice a week. And then Kylie told me that I could also go. She was my CPS caseworker and Brenda is over her. And so we, Kylie told me that I could go to church with my kids on Sundays. And so I'm like, great. Well, we went on in court documents. We went to court and they said that I was illegally going to church with my children. And so the judge wouldn't let me talk. He's never let me talk. And I had a lawyer that he explained about Gus, my lawyer. Okay. Gus, that's his nickname, Sergei Stavinsky. He's a Ukrainian national. Supposedly won a Citizenship Lottery, uh, fifteen, seven years ago, and he, he, uh, before moving out to Idaho, he got indoctrinated at the, uh, the Communist Indoctrination Centers, what I call it, Columbia University, and has been a public defender in Twin Falls, what's that, for something like, I don't know how many years, and then he just moved out to Iowa Falls, But he was definitely an obstructionist, and he seems to be where, you know, the typical type of team players you hear about in CPS, you know, that's just go along and get along. And that was basically his advice to Carla was just let's play nice and maybe don't cross the board. But, you know, he did a lot of things. Like he would schedule a meeting before an important period two days before, and he wouldn't give Carla really the chance to prepare. you know, for the hearing. We would have, we have affidavits, statements of thought, prepared documentation, evidence, and he would turn it in, ever, nothing. So Carla's never been able to defend herself. Ever. And it's mostly in these Zoom hearings, which I call unlawful tribunals is what they are. They're unconstitutional. She's not allowed to defend herself at all, especially when you've got public defenders who are not helping out at all. They're just acting like they're dragging their feet, trying to run the clock out. And same with their new lawyer. Oh, another one, too, is he, in the July status hearing, He had, was supposed to do a subpoena. Two key witnesses. One was. Darren Harris. Darren Harris, who's a psychologist. I had to have a psychological evaluation because according to Will, my next door neighbor, I was a drinker, a drug user, left my guns out for my kids to play with and that he thinks I have a psychological disorder. And so they sent me in for a Or a psychiatric, actually. I had to have a psychological evaluation. To four births. He kept canceling on me. And I was paying for it. I thought through an insurance. And so he told me, oh, I'm going to make CPS pay for it. So I called my insurance to make sure that they got paid out. And that's when I found out that CPS was paying for it at the time. And they were basically... He was in their pocket. So he wrote... this psychiatric evaluation had at least twelve um complete I mean lies in them all you know just false information um he told me that um it was so poorly written my ten-year-old could have done a better job and so yeah there's well over a I made a list of things so we've got the actual psychological report here it's uh I mean it's got like something like over a dozen factual errors half of it was uh corroborated reports from other people basically uh past mental health records from her therapist. Also, the nurse's statements from Port Neuf Behavioral Center in Pocatello during her cycle. They took me on a two-hour cycle. Yeah, and then in the report was an interview with a CPS caseworker in Brandon Wolf, whereas they definitely demonized Carla. They were just... almost everything they were saying was misleading and taken out of context. Got to understand because they're going to say anything and everything to break this woman because she's a threat to them because she's standing up to them. They don't like, I mean, nobody in the state likes anybody to stand up to them. You know how that goes. And then also this psychologist interviewed her, Gus. My lawyer. Lawyer, yeah. And he's know and he I would love to read if we have time to read some of this stuff uh I don't know if we do but uh there's also she also interviewed the former foster mom and her friend julie who really deserves uh uh interviewing itself with her and her and carla but she wrote a nine-page skating response you know and how badly cps um quoted her and twisted her words you know it's just it's just beyond the pale yeah and that's my farmer um idea was for me to give a sign of her full custody of my children to Chris. And then once it was over with CPS that I could just use my divorce because I got full custody of them and get them back. And I said, Gus, how stupid do you think I look? I said, if I sign up for all of my custody of my kids, I'm going to have to fight in court with him. I'll never tell him, you know, it'll be crazy. And so when I went, I gave eight documents like this thick. And he didn't turn in a single thing to the judge. And I was also battered by Mark Withers. He was having me answer yes or no questions only. I got my, I wasn't, I'm no longer allowed to take pictures at my visits. They just, they made up so many lies One of the lies was that Carly had given me permission to go to church. I started telling you that earlier. And then later on, after they removed my children from the Duckville home, they told me I couldn't go to church with them. But at court, they put in there that I was going to church with my kids illegally. They had never given me. But I had proof in text messages from Kylie and I. And I tried to show it to the judge, and my lawyer Gus covered the microphone and wouldn't let me talk. And anger doesn't even begin to describe what's been going on. They had been helping my ex, who they know. I have recordings. I had to get together with him to go over our mortgage. He doesn't get any part of the house, but his... on it because the interest rates are so high. I don't wanna buy him out right now. I'm hoping with President Trump it'll go down. And so he, I played him, I'll be honest, I played him. And I got everything, I recorded everything that he said. And he was telling me that Kylie Vandarsfield was helping him with everything. She bought bunk beds for the kids. She brought over tons of toys and clothes. My kids would come into my visits wearing clothes that I had given the foster parents. And she told, she pressed, Chris was living with her meth user. It was also a prostitute. And Kylie knew it. And I didn't do anything about it. And she specifically told him, and I have all of this on a recording. that he would just make sure he got the divorce decree changed before this was over, otherwise he wouldn't see his kids again. And then at our last hearing, so at this last hearing that we had, there were two attributes that were sent in because the foster parents were calling CPS And they were calling CPS because Finley was coming home filthy dirty and she was not like peeing because she has to wear a diaper at night because Chris lets them watch horror movies, lets them play video games all day long. This was according to the new foster parents who I really like. In the report to the court by the caseworker. Yes. She's not allowed to really communicate with the foster parents. I saw them. At the last hearing, but the judge, not only he turned off my video, so no one could even see me. And I kept trying to fix it and he kept changing it. So it was illegal because everyone else, I could see everyone else, but no one could see me. So obviously the judge is on their side. And so the foster parents called in, that Finley was wetting herself, that Chris was leaving them alone to do work on Saturdays. He has a four-day-hour business on the weekend. He was- Unsupervised business. Unsupervised. Okay, they're coddling a known, I mean, he's a sociopath, it's obvious. A pedophile, a violent person. And they've got all this evidence, but yet they say, oh, we don't have any evidence. The kids have disclosed, you know, Between the two of them, at least five times, mostly to therapists and one other time to a CPS investigator themselves who had reached out and talked to Carla. They were sent from the health welfare from Boise. I think she was a local Pocatello investigator when the kids were in Pocatello at a different hospital. This was after they got yanked out of Julie's house. Her friend and former foster mother. That's crazy. And so basically they're coddling the abuser and they're trying to reunify, you know, the kids with a parents, what they say. That parent was Chris, the ex-husband, the abuser. This isn't the first time they've done this. I've everything I've heard talking with inside sources that have known Brenda Walton seems to be really behind this. She's the supervisor at that. She is known. In fact, one of his business supervisors told Carla that CPS had given custody of a kid to a guy who was homeless. He was an abusive guy. I actually think I saw them in town. Maybe they were in Southeastern Idaho, you know, Idaho Falls area. I saw this, I think it was the same person in Idaho Falls, and this kid was very upset. And I saw them walking around town. I think that was the same people. But this is, and then the inside source within health and welfare has told me that CPS is out of control, you know, and quoting them. This is through a trusted friend who told me this. that CPS is, you know, she's just sick of their petty bullshit. She says that they're out of control. Okay. Not only that, I have an inside source at the court who used to work at the courthouse. And this is, you know, this is something we have to do on our own. It seems pretty obvious. You can't prove it, but there seems to be a brotherhood of everybody involved, all the players working together for from the judge to C. P. S the police, they sit on, the evidence. We tried to to when the neighbors as they came over, of course assault in the police re holds, who's not a consti by the way, he's indicated he's beholden to, you know, the left wing agenda. But And I had called him at least a dozen times. He had never returned a single phone call. Yeah. There was also the lead police officer on November seventeenth when the incident happened. Okay. She, I don't remember if you mentioned to that, that she just supposedly discharged the firearm in the house. Okay. That night when she had the psychotic break, you know, which is according to Andrea Dawson at Pearl Health, You know, she, uh, you know, said yes, that, uh, can cause a psychotic break and aggressive behavior. And on top of all her other, you know, low blood sugar and low potassium hadn't slept for days. She was in a delusional state anyway. There's no proof that she actually shot the gun. Okay. She had a hallucination that her ex-husband was in the house standing over her with a gun. And so I pulled my gun out, but I never pulled the trigger. She pulled the trigger, pointing at him, and then she said that she never... I never cocked the gun. I never loaded the bullet into it. I couldn't actually. I had a broken wrist. And so my neighbor... came over in a rage and just started slamming the door against me and there are knobs on the table by my front door and there are knobs on it and he's slammed me between fifteen to twenty times and then when he stopped I dropped on my hands and knees and ever since then I have very little feeling in like my fingertips I can feel the back of my hands and so um How did, how did your neighbor get in the house? Number one. And I think I missed that. Number two, have you charged him with assault? Yes. The police won't let me. He got, he, he, uh, he knocked on the door. He actually has a key or had a key to the house. But Julie had locked at the bottom of the screen. Yeah, and there was no key. Nobody had a key to that. So he was knocking on the door. And so Carla stumbled up. You know, I'm just going by what Carla stumbled up. Got to the door. As soon as she opened the door, he started slamming her. And then what was it? Then she fell to the floor on her hands and knees. And then he grabbed my left arm. And I have pictures of. two handprints, one going one way, one going another way here, plus handprints up here on my upper arm. And he yanked on my arm so many times that he tore my ribs apart. And then he damaged my neck. I've had shots and different things with their physical therapy. He did damage to my knees. He did the damage to my hands and my ankles. And he actually tore something to my left hip. And so the aftermath still almost, yeah, it's been a year since it happened and I'm still in horrible pain. And the police said that I, that my, the police report was so horrible. There were so many mistakes. One of them said I was in the hall. One of them said I was by the front door. One of them said I was in my bed. I mean, it was ridiculous. And when Will came in, so after he did that and after he came to my arm and everything, I started trying to crawl to my chair and his wife Celeste kicked me in the butt and I fell on my face. And so I continued trying to crawl into my chair and then I kind of got myself hurt at the start because I needed this in surgery. And so I kind of flipped myself into the bed. She has a chair. She has to keep her legs elevated because she's got lymphedema. I think she can only be on her feet for so long. Yeah. And then she has to keep her legs elevated. So she's got a chair that she's got worked up that keeps her legs elevated. It's kind of like a bed. This really sounds like an absolutely horrible situation. It's horrific. And it's lies and lies. And that this psychologist could give me a psychiatric diagnosis of a borderline personality disorder is absolutely ridiculous. So I go to Pearl health and I see a counselor and I see a psychiatrist. I've been on the same kind of meds for eight years. So, um, and they, looked at the the psychological um uh interview and and the evaluation and he just my my psychiatrist just laughed he goes does this guy even know how to write because they're just disjointed sentences like I said before that half of that of this evaluation was based on older reports from other professionals and you know they said they cps you know demonize you the here's the thing is that cps is uh using the excuse she's got this so-called borderline personality disorder because I've never been diagnosed right and um that's she's uh Oh, let's see. What else? What's the main excuse why they're keeping your kids from you? So they're saying that I haven't proven that I don't have a borderline personality. I'm not following the recommendations. I'm not following the recommendations of him, but his recommendations were to continue seeing my psychiatrist, my psychologist, as well as... And just following what the order is. Well, they told me in court that I needed to continue seeing Aaron Harris. And yet Brenda Wolf sent a text message to him and told them they no longer needed his services. And I heard all of that in text. But I'm never allowed to speak. So now they're cuddling. The foster parents are calling them in because we leave the kids home for like ten hours a day on Saturdays. Both my kids, my son has ADHD and a little bit of autism. And my daughter has autism and she has a sleep story. What was that last part? Lean forward a little bit more. What? You got to lean forward a little bit more because you're breaking up every time you sit back and we lose the audio. How about I move the computer back? Tell her about how the CPS asked the judge for permission to drug the kids. Yeah. So that's where I'm coming to for recently. So there... Let me finish with what the foster parents are complaining about. My kids are dirty, that they're not being fed, that they're being left alone all day Saturday. So actually, he recently just lost his Friday night to Saturday visits, which just made me ecstatic because I'm terrified. Every time they're with him, I worry that he's going to molest them. The way he talks about my daughter is disgusting. He talks about how she has this beautiful face and these long legs and now her Her butt is so round and, you know, lifted. And I'm like, you realize you're talking about your daughter right now, right? I mean, and so CPS, well, they got all this information. And Finley would go back to the foster home and sleep for two nights. Because of the stuff that Chris was showing them. Say that again. Slow down and say that again. Because your sound is literally coming in and out. So I'm not, some of the important points I'm not getting because it's, your sound is going in and out. Oh, that's so strange. Sorry. Talk a little louder. Yeah, I'll talk a little louder. Is that better? That's much better. A little louder, a little closer to your microphone. There you go. Okay. I will. So anyway, so the foster parents were calling in, but he was leaving them all day on Saturdays while he was at work, complaining about the family was dirty and smelled like pee and would come home and would scream in her sleep for two nights after being at their dad's because he would show them horrible things on TV and video games because that's how he's always been. Any activity that we do as a family, he would sit on his phone and play games and just ignore all of us. And so, I mean, even at his birthday party, I have pictures from the last birthday party that we were all together. And he was sitting in a side booth, not even participating because he was pissed off that Joe and Julie were helping throw the party with him. And that's just the type of person that he is. And so, yeah. Okay. It sounds like a horrible situation. Oh, it's horrible. So he just, like I said, lost his Saturday visit because he was leaving the kids home alone. But the thing is, the foster parents turned it into CPS, but CPS... turned it into the police. So he hasn't been arrested. So he's doing all these illegal things, including drinking. I have it all on recordings and they're not doing anything about it. And they're still saying that he's the better parent. Yet Aaron Harris in his psychological evaluation said that despite everything that was going on, that I was still the better parent and that it was okay for me to have the kids for O'Brien's and they're still not doing it. And I don't understand how CPS and Matthew from CASA and my lawyer can come up with a psychiatric diagnosis just from talking to a psychologist. I mean, it's completely insane. And so now they vaccinated my son and my daughter with the flu vaccine, which I'm anti-vax. And in her divorce decree, she is supposed to have decisions over all medical. And they always respected that until recently. Now they're overriding that. Yes. And so they also, my son used to be on an ADHD medication and he got so sick that he actually went into liver failure and had scoliosis on his brain. And so Julie took him off of it. Well, Chris wants them drugged. And they were also Finley who's never been diagnosed with ADHD. They were going to put her on it as well, but they've started Weston on it without my permission. I am vehemently against it. I told them I don't want him on this medication and now he's overly sensitive and he gets upset about the easiest things and his, um, appetite is really low he only wants to sugary foods or salty foods because things now taste differently to him and so and of course of course the judge grants cps whatever they want whatever that's just one of the less long a long list of things you know there was a can I tell about the the emergency hearing they had oh my gosh okay so this was the right before the uh they were going to grant chris the uh forty eight hour unsupervised visit and uh marla had gotten uh some uh her recordings from when she had to get a signature from chris to keep the house from getting taken away from uh some mortgage papers had to be had she had to have him sign them so the house didn't lose the house well they called so her lawyer had told them in in the previous hearing that that that that he had some recordings and that they have evidence that he threatened her and that this would be a bad idea to have him go ahead with the forty-eight-hour visits. And so they put a hold on it, but then CPS, on the end of the day Friday, called an emergency hearing. Okay. Wait for the judge. They gave me ten minutes notice for this Zoom hearing. So Brenda Wolf must have direct access to the judge to be able to get a hold of him that quickly and get a Zoom hearing put into place, which is insane. That tells you that they work together. And so they basically, he didn't give me a plan. I was waiting and I found it on my reporter. And what my ex said to me, he goes, he goes, I have a plan for you. He goes, you're not going to like it, which is a threat. And so I couldn't, my reporter turned off and I couldn't get back to it quick enough. He gave me like ten seconds to get it. He said, nope. You don't have any evidence. He goes, I'm disregarding the protection order and sent my kids to his house for four to eight hours. Yeah, that was the emergency. Also, the abuser can get his four to eight hour unsupervised visit. So this is the kind of hotline that CPS has to the judge. You know, we don't get that. Carla doesn't get that. And Kylie purchased herself another time. The children's counselor, Sue Holmes. She was telling CPS that she didn't think it was a good idea from her talking with my children, that she thought it was a really, really bad idea for them to be alone with him. And so they completely ignored it and Kylie put into, And after David submitted to the court that Sue Holmes thought that it was a great idea, she was completely okay with it. Well, I got a copy of that and I called Sue and I said, Sue, I said, did you actually tell them that it was okay for them to be with Chris alone? She goes, no. She goes, I told Kylie that I was adamantly against it and that I didn't want, and it wasn't good for the kids. And so. I said, well, wait until I send you something because I'm going to email you something from Kylie. She was so livid that she called Kylie and screamed at her and told her she would never speak to her again. And yet she, in the court, when the court hearing came, it was put out that Sue completely agreed with it, which she never did. And so Kylie has all these lies and stuff, but I have proof of all of the lies. And yet the judge is not letting me speak at anything, at any, you know, to him at all. He just shuts her mic off or sets his camera off in these Zoom hearings when she can't say anything. And of course the lawyer does nothing. Yeah. This is a public defense system. And so Chris feeds them granola bars and cereal where when I have them, I cook them, you know, healthy meals and things like that. And so I just, I don't know what to do. They've moved the next hearing out until April thirtieth of next year. Six months out from the hearing, last hearing. And I see my kids for three hours a week, three hours, supervised by a woman from North Star called Michelle Ward. And that's the other thing. I said that I need to get good reports from Michelle. She gives nothing but bad reports. Michelle lies flat out. in all of her reports. I mean, there was this one movie, we had a movie night, and she said, she was sitting behind me, and Weston laid his head on my shoulder and asked me if I would lay my head on his shoulder, so I did. And I heard a noise and I sat up, and Michelle told them that I fell asleep during the movie and that my rabbit picked up something and dropped it on the ground and it startled me awake. And I'm like, Oh really? So you can see through my head. First of all, to see that my eyes are closed. And secondly, apparently bunnies have hands. They can pick up heavy enough objects to wake me up. She'll just, she just comes up with the most petty bullshit to put into reports. Never anything. The good that she does. And Carla records all her visits and she can prove. Yeah. And so that's going to take a lot of work, but, uh, And I've been asking her to be removed from my case and get a new North Star supervisor for ten and a half months or so. And she has been friends with Brenda Wolf, the CPS supervisor, for twenty years. So you can bet that there's a lot of collusion going on between the two and that basically what they're trying to do, they're trying to break Carla. They're trying to do anything they can to demonize her. And Chris walks on water. Okay. Carla is crazy lady. You know, the gun tote, booze drinking, bill popping, you know, woman that we, that can't, you know, she's got borderline personality disorder. She seemed like whatever that means. I mean, good luck to any lay person trying to define what borderline personality disorder is. That's just a quack term. I don't have a, I don't have a single symptom of it. and I refuse to give up the fight and that's why they're using it against me because I don't I don't give up I call the cps there's a cps hotline you can call and I actually had I know I found out that he didn't have them on this last week and on saturdays I had the police spoke because he's been investigated I had the police go into a home check a wellness And the kids weren't there on Saturday, so I had them go back on Sunday. And that's when Chris said that he didn't have the kids anymore on Saturdays. He got them Saturday night through Sunday. So at least that's a small blessing. Okay. Do you have any questions for me? This is, this is such a, it's a convoluted mess. I mean, it sounds like it's a very, very difficult situation and really quite can. There's, there's, I guess, I guess I probably have a lot of things that, that I would probably like to ask, but I think I'm just going to ponder them for a little bit, you know, because it's such a convoluted situation, but clearly there, there wasn't how do I say this? There isn't anyone that seems to be treating everyone as a person in this situation. The kids, you know, yourself, Chris, what, you know, your neighbor and all of that to find out what's really going on and to resolve it. It seems like it's just ramping up rather than getting better. And the communication is so terrible. That's what I'm seeing is that the communication is so terrible with all of it that I'm very concerned about. I'm very concerned about the professionalism of everyone that's involved in this that says they're trying to help. How's that for an answer? I mean, it brings a lot of things to, it really brings a lot of things to light that, um, you know, instead of working to separate everyone and, and continue to, uh, to destroy things, I would think that there would be a better way to bring this to a good conclusion, not just for the kids, but for the kids as yourself and everyone involved in this. It just seems like it's a very horrible situation. It is. horrible situation. And with the fact that I don't understand the neighbor coming in and accosting you, I don't understand this, how this could happen. I don't understand. I don't understand it either. The police just took his statements. They treated his fact in this police report. You know, he's a really good liar. Oh, he's a drug user and an alcoholic. So they didn't question anything he said. And of course, CPS picks up on the police report and it all gets stated as fact. This is a predetermined direction. It sounds like everybody kind of has a predetermined direction into the way that this is gone. The police don't want to admit that they did a sham investigation. They did never even consider the possibility that it might have been Will that shot the TV. He had motive. He wanted to get rid of Carla. He was just pretending to be her friend. His wife was very jealous of her. She kept a very short leash. on her husband. And I think she was a lot have to do with instigating this. Well, bring the bring the receipts forward, you know, and make sure that that I think that what really sounds like needs to happen is an actual professional, a professional look into this rather than- An investigator. We're trying to find one to do it. Yeah. Well, and that's the problem is that there's so many people that are being threatened. There's very few people that will say, you know what, this is a really, really bad situation. And I think that we should listen without prejudice to all sides and and find out we may have to, we may have to go because, you know, taking kids away from families, this is a big problem that we have is that when the courts get involved in anything, I can guarantee you it's going to be screwed up no matter what. And in the state of Michigan, you know, whenever there's a money judgment, there's a, there's a percentage paid back to the court systems for the retirements. And so when, when, whenever they get involved in something, it's, it's never, never good. And, you know, I'm, I'm kind of wondering if a jury trial on, on any of this would have been a better, a better way to go as a jury trial. And, and, uh, I don't know. It just, it just, it sounds like every single thing was handled poorly. And so with this unlawful tribunal, uh, um, you know, this zoom hearing system, we can't defend yourself just like, uh, I think it was, uh, Mr. Rodriguez said that in one of his presentations, it was Senator Nancy Schaefer who came out and said, what needs to happen is we need, before CPS is allowed to take children, there should automatically be a jury trial. This is what we need. Well, and I think that, you know, to see the bruises and the abuse and such that was going on, that should have been a real red flag to everyone involved. And especially, I'm surprised that the thing that really shocks me is the fact that this went into such a, you know, a bad situation. All right, we got a bad situation. It was a bad situation. when it finally got, there's no two ways about it. And they came in as basically judge, jury, and executioner rather than, hey, we've got a real situation here. Let's see how we can be the most helpful instead of just knee-jerk reaction. And with knee-jerk reaction, which probably could have been handled better right from the beginning. And then it was- And I asked for a jury trial. And I went tonight. Yeah, well, I think probably once they got down the road so far that there was so much information that they based their decisions on that they couldn't look at it with fresh eyes and say, what happened along the way might not have been true. And when you base everything on a lie because of poor procedure, just like with nine, eleven and everything else, you base it on if you base your decisions on a lie, it's just going to make a bigger lie or it's going to make a bigger problem. and everyone in the situation gets hurt, no matter who it is, you know, not the least of which are the kids right now. I cannot imagine the trauma that your children have being, it's like, it sounds to me like the kids are on whiplash constantly, you know, and that's, And that is really, really sad. And I think that, you know, certainly I would like to see more information on this and to try to find a solution rather than making any judgments on it. I think it needs to have a balanced investigation. on this, not an engineered one. That's just what I can see from the outside. I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm not an attorney. I'm just a normal person listening to this. Just from listening to this, I can't believe no one stepped in to help you when the abuse was going on between you and the kids. Well, I was afraid to tell anyone because he threatened to kill me. And then he also told me that if I ever tried to leave him, he would kill me and take the children. Or he would kill the children right in front of me, make me wait and watch and suffer and grieve for half an hour to an hour. And then he'd kill me and take it off. So I was terrified. And I actually started telling my psychiatrist well over a year before I got divorced. that the abuse was happening. And he told me to be very, I asked him not to turn into the place because I was so scared of my ex. And he told me to be very, very careful because towards the end, when you're getting ready, you notice physical signs and it's very possible that you would kill me. And so icing on the cake, last at the end of september I was robbed I had let a girl stay with me that I met at a doctor's appointment for less than two weeks she said she needed to stay there and she just needed a place to stay she was a total artist I think that chris set her up and so on friday the twenty ninth was it Do you have proof that Chris set her up or is it just an assumption? Evidence. We have evidence. Someone was pounding on my door and I got up to open the door and I was totally out of it because Becky crushed up some pills and put them in my lemonade. She said, oh, you look like your blood sugar is low. Let me get you some lemonade. And I found the mortar and pestle and it has the white And I found the pink pills if you crush them. But the police had still yet to pick any of that up. That was propranolol, by the way, which is a high blood pressure medication. Carla has low blood pressure. It could have killed me. That sent her to the hospital. We also forced her to smoke, so she blew pot in her face. Yeah, she wanted me to smoke pot. She gave me this little crystal thing. I'm like, oh, this is cute. I think she's not really going to let me like this. And then I didn't take a breath. Carly doesn't smoke. She's pretty naive about that kind of stuff. I tried it once when I was fifteen. It gave me a really bad reaction. This girl was very manipulative and very persuasive. So she blew it right into my mouth. It was almost like she was set up to take Carly down. The reason why I say I know my ex-husband was involved in it is because someone was pounding on my door and I wasn't completely woozy and when I opened the door it was my ex-husband and he put a rag and I think that he thought he was going to be able to cover from my face before I could see who it was and he covered my face with a rag um which I think was chloroform so it smelled like nail polish and um and just held it over my face and I could see my eyes weren't covered until I blacked out so about two hours later I ended up calling nine and I had very big recollections and I think that becky roofie as well and there was also a guy named jason so they're investigating it right now but both christian and becky said that chris came into the house multiple times chris get the description of chris came into my house multiple times and was stealing things slowly one time. But he stole all my kids' Christmas presents, their winter clothes, their Nintendo Switches, their Kindle Fires, you know. So, you know, and then he packed up all of his Packers stuff that he wanted back because he's a huge Green Bay Packers fan. And so it was all packed up in my kitchen. So I'm sorry, I just, I was okay. I wasn't here at the time. I've been coming and going. I have property in Nevada that I've slowly been developing and coming back and forth for work. And I stay when I can. And anyway, I, I had caught Becky by surprise. I'd go over cause Carly got a hold of me and something's going on. It's impossible. So we got here car or the Becky girls in her car wasn't here. And I didn't have my keys to get into the house. And so the doors were all locked. And she was out there in the backyard. She's not going to see her at the bathroom. I don't know. You know, I'm freaking her out. She was just passing out. She's got some weird stuff going on, you know, schizophrenia, anxiety and all this stuff. She does have schizophrenia. I recorded it and what she was saying. So I can, he did say that I'd given her aniline. I didn't know what it was at the time. He listened back to the recording and was like, holy crap, this is, this could have killed her. You know, later I confirmed it and I said, you know, what was this? Attempted murder or what? Anyway, she went off to church, and it was sent back to me. Carla's trying to get the detective to call me. Brad has got a text from Becky, damning evidence. He won't call me. They don't want to know. It's like they're protecting Becky. They're probably informants. I wouldn't be surprised if they're working. I know this is wild speculation right now. Yeah. And it's like, I think that's important not to speculate, but bring the facts forward. I think that a lot of times, you know, if we stick to the facts, that makes a more compelling case. But I know for a hundred percent that he was there that night because I saw him. Yeah. Well, it sounds like a horrible situation. And, uh, I think that it's, it's good to hear your side of it and what, what, um, what really happened because I know so many people are being silenced and, uh, that's, that's a horrible, horrible position to be in. So I appreciate you telling me the, you know, you telling us the story today and coming on. It's, had to be very painful to talk about this stuff as well as, you know, just the, the dealing with it, you know, dealing with it. And, uh, I'm not sure if anybody has some ideas on how to, how to assist in this situation out there. I think that that's, that's, uh, you know, reach out to me because everybody knows how to get ahold of me. And then maybe there's somebody out there that can help with this situation a little bit and bring peace and healing to everyone because it sounds horrible. She's got an email set up for communications and also a GoFundMe account if anybody wants to look out. She needs to get a real lawyer. Wish we could get somebody like Sean McMillan. He's this great lawyer down in San Diego. He makes a living just suing CPS. I have an email. It's called savemykids.com at Yahoo.com. And I set up a GoFindMe because Becky threw my laptop on the ground and broke it. And then they stole all my business friends and their electronics and their clothes and things like that. And I also need a lawyer, someone who is a court appointed lawyer, I think a real lawyer. And I need lawyers who will take the cases on. Like, I want to sue my doctor for giving me the Topiramate to begin with, because I've been blamed for taking it when my doctor told me it was completely safe to take and it's not. So I'm looking for lawyers to sue the doctors and to go after the police department for not. I pressed charges against my ex-husband for the abuse. And they said, oh, we sent it off to detectives. And I would call periodically, and finally, a year later, I found out they never had been sent to detectives. They wouldn't have been looking into the case. So that's the kind of crap I'm going through. So I do have a GoFundMe, and I do have anything, anything that some, if they have a number or anyone they think that could help me to please reach out to me, you know, separately on my email or on the GoFundMe. I have not made it public on my Facebook or anything like that because privacy of my kids so um but yeah any any kind of information anyone could give me I would be eternally grateful for well there's a lot of people that would probably reach out to you and make sure that you know you're not standing alone I think that's very important so well and I appreciate you coming on here I always end the broadcast with uh with a prayer and uh you know bring god into All situations. And I'm truly sorry for everything that you've gone through. I really am. And it sounds absolutely horrific. And I can't imagine the heartbreak that you have been living with as well as the abuse when nobody would listen to you. I'm very sorry for that. The people that could have or should have stepped in should be ashamed of themselves right now. And they should be. So let's say a prayer a minute and then we'll just have a few more minutes to talk and then we're going to end the broadcast. Okay. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so very much. for giving us the opportunity to talk today about things that absolutely should not be, and also giving us opportunities to come together to fix broken systems, which have real consequences on people's lives. I pray specifically for Carla's children right now that you would give them strong minds, strong bodies, and a perspective on what's going on, that they would become mighty warriors for you through the horrible circumstances that they have been living in. I pray that you would heal Carla's heart and that you would, I thank you for Brad and all the people you've brought into her life that care about her and the circumstances that she has been living with, which are just horrific. We pray for Chris. We ask your blessings on him and that you would turn him around, that he would be healed from whatever it is that's vexing him right now because this sounds like him as well as several other people also need your hand to guide their lives and to bring them out of a very dark place. We ask that you would open doors for Carla and her children and all involved. that there would be people that would come alongside to help them, that you would send protectors and guardians, not humanly guardians, but angels that would help them in all situations, that you would protect them and guide them in the steps that are before them. And so many other people out there that are in these similar situations where they are engineered to take children away from parents and not help. in a difficult situation to resolve a situation or to protect. It seems like they're using people who have a bent on evil to achieve their purposes, which is the destruction of the family and people's lives. We ask that you would please talk directly, Father God, to every single CPS worker and the people that are involved, not just in this case, but across the nation, and get them to walk away from this horrible system that's out there, that they would walk away, that they would refuse to be part of something that has been a part of so much evil across our nation. They seem to be doing everything absolutely wrong. Eighty-five percent of the time they just walk away and say, oh, we made a mistake. And then they walk away and there's no accountability to the lives that they're destroying. And we ask that everyone who's been touched by these organizations that you would step in, that you would step in with healing, with help, with healing, with shepherding people who have been so traumatized. and turn these awful things into a beautiful future, leaving a horrific past but going into a beautiful future, which you have planned for each and every one of us. We trust you. We know that you will work all things for good. You work all things for good to all those who love you and are called according to your purposes, and that we would be open to your leading out of bad circumstances. Thank you so much for Carla and Brad and all those who are willing to step forward and talk about the crimes that are being perpetrated by our own government. We ask that you would bring this entire thing to a fair and right judgment and every single person that's involved in this that would be brought to a fair and correct judgment and that you would have a compassionate solution to all those who have been victimized. Thank you so much for this day. We love you. You've been just such a great friend to all of us, and we want to be a friend to you also. Even in good circumstances and bad circumstances, we know that you are there and that we can turn to you every single minute, and your help will be on the way. In Jesus' precious name we pray. Amen. Thank you so much. I'm sorry. I cried through that. That was a beautiful prayer. Oh, you know, you can call me anytime. You've got my phone number. And, you know, I'm a prayer. So I, you know, anytime that you need prayer, somebody just to be there for you in this situation to just to just send me a text and I'll start praying. And, you know, it's like we can, I think the most important thing we can do right now is to call God into this situation and say, you know, we need a little help here, Father. You know, come on, Papa, give us a little help here because people's lives are being destroyed by those that don't really care. And see people as just, you know, something to kick around. You know, that's what psychopaths do. Psychopaths kick people to the curb and they don't have any compassion or empathy for any situation. And I think that that's probably one of the biggest problems here is that the people that just go to work every day, all right, stamp, you know, they put their note, all right, and they stamp the picture and that sort of thing. We've all seen them do that, you know? It's like, we've all seen them, well, I'm an expert because I've got this degree or that degree. No, you're following orders and that's not okay. And, you know, sometimes we need to, you know, we need to step outside of the prescribed processes and become a human being again. So do you have any closing words here? I'm just grateful for everyone who is listening right now. And if you guys could all pray for me and my children, I would be so grateful. And thank you so much, Donna, for having us on the show. It's really, you're welcome. It's really a shame that the people around you, that somebody didn't see what was going on And, you know, that's the strength of good communities is that the community should be coming together when there's a situation like this. Not crazy neighbors who are going to knock somebody on the ground or when they see somebody who's had this sort of thing happen, the way that it should work is that the communities and families, strong families and communities would stop this kind of behavior and nip it right in the bud. I'm going to tell you what right now, if the guys in our family were in a position to see something like this, shit would get real, real fast. Exactly. You know, there would be no apologies for, you know, and that's unfortunate when you have a system that turns people's lives over to the system rather than local. It ends up being a nationalized collectivism type of a system. And that's never good because the people that are in charge of those systems that float to the top are usually psychopaths. And most people who are rulers that raised to the level of Kings and Queens, they're typically psychopaths. And so they're, they want, they want the, the power and they want the, the ability to Lord over people's lives. And they don't care who they heard along the way, which is unfortunate. We need to have a better system. And so, uh, the whole thing is kind of broken right now. And clearly, you know, clearly you've been, you've been involved in this and I'm, I'm really sorry for every heartache you've ever had. And, uh, I think Papa's going to pull some strings here for you and right things that have been wronged. I have a feeling that this has been going on for a lot longer than the abuse that you started suffering right from the beginning. Unfortunately, when we walk into situations like that, there's something farther in our past that typically conditions us to accept that kind of abuse. and not stop it right at the beginning when it's happening. And unfortunately, our culture has encouraged some of that to happen and a lot of that to happen. So we go back and we think we're being a good person and we're trying to do the right thing. And we don't say, this shit ends right now. You know what I mean? And then once you're down that path so long, You know, it's hard to pull back out of it. And it's really unfortunate. So, you know, I'm really, really sorry. Nobody ever asks for this kind of treatment or these things to happen in their lives. You know, it's a very sad thing. And I think we need to talk about these situations for other women who have been in an abusive situation, not just yourself. Absolutely. There's a reason why not only this happens, but that people get into these situations. And there's a reason why. And that's why we need to talk about these things. Can I just make a statement? So we would like to know anybody or anybody knows any other victims of CPS that are interested in forming a coalition. I think this is really important that people band together, uh, and to, to share notes, to help each other out. And also anybody who has kids or has grandkids or you care, you know, anybody that it's nobody's safe here. We're all in danger. As long as this, this kind of, uh, tyranny and travesty is allowed to happen. Okay. Okay. So we all need to be proactive in educating the public about the dangers and everything that we can do. And these people need to be exposed. And so I think through coalitions of people coming together, we can figure out a way to put pressure on these people. When you look at what happened with Diego, with baby Cyrus, that's because Diego and Ammon and everybody through the social media caught them in the lies and the crap that they were trying to pull and basically prosecuted them in the court of public opinion. We need to have something similar to that. Otherwise, they just get away with it. It's institutionalized. You know, when you look at eighty five percent failure rate and the fact that they're paid so much per child that goes through there, they're not in business to resolve problems. They're in business to traffic children and destroy people's lives. That's pretty easy to see from the outside. And everybody has problems. Everybody has problems, okay? I don't care who you are. The CPS workers have problems. They probably got into it because they had problems as a kid. They're trying to work through their own. Most hypocritical people of all probably. Most people that go into therapy go into therapy because they have problems that they're trying to cope with and they're trying to fix the world through their own actions. I mean, that's just the way human beings are, right? And so, you know, a better way to handle these things is to look at what's going on on a more local level and say, what can we do to help? And if there's actually, you know, if there's clear and present threats, that has to be dealt with first. First off, clear and present threats and danger. You take people out of danger and, you know, you deal with those clear and present threats. And that's not just taking kids away and throwing them into foster care because right now that's a bigger threat than anything you got going on. Deal with people that are breaking the law and that are threatening or exacting violence and then make a determination here. But I don't think anybody had it in their mind to solve this problem. Not at all. It doesn't appear to it from the outside. And realizing that they can point the finger at anyone under harassment, allege anything. without doing any recon on it or investigation or anything like that. Their goal, and it's to their interest for CPS to take children because they are paid for it. Not resolve situations. And if they are, then they suck at it. And they don't just kind of suck at it. They really suck at this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I'm I guess I guess shame on shame on everyone involved. You know, it's like and if you see somebody who's having some problems, you know, maybe maybe you can step in and be a help. I wanted to just share really quick a contact number because there is a CPS hotline. It's new and they are by law required to turn it in. to CPS and the police. Hold on a minute before you share it. Is this to turn people in or is it to blow the whistle on CPS? I mean, there's a big difference there. I've called for both for things that CPS have done that they haven't called the police about and for things my ex-husband has done. Are they listening to that? They call them and they investigate on what's happening or if there's trouble at the foster home You know, she had her kids were basically getting abused at one of the foster homes and neglected. And the very first time they put them in was a gay couple. Is this something that they are, how do I say this? Is this something that they're listening to or is this an independent organization? It's basically an independent organization that they started because the other hotline before wasn't working. properly and nothing was getting turned in and so they actually every time I call them they mail me a thing in the mail saying that it was turned in and it's been investigated and so I keep a file of all of them it's it kind of what's kind of interesting is that the real strength in that is the documentation that you did turn things in but I'm not sure whether it's actually something from within CPS or a third party investigation. We had the same thing in our elections in Michigan is that they were saying they were doing an audit, but it was just like a department within the machine. And so they were actually part of the coverup rather than doing an investigation. So before I shared that, if I were you, I would look into this and see if this is another, just a department within a department, that's set up to cover their tracks, or if it's actually an independent organization, and what's the money? What's the money trading back and forth here? That's true. I don't know that, so I won't share it. Yeah, I would be really careful in directing people. You're a very trusting person by nature. And by nature, you're a very trusting person. And it's probably a good thing to just stop and look into these things a little bit more. and be a little more suspicious on what you're seeing out there because the people that are behind the scenes, like letting people in your house for housing, I would be really, even though you want to help, I will never let a stranger, someone that I don't know, or a family member ever see me. This is really a problem that human beings have, is that we think that other people think the way we do. But the problem is, is that they don't. And so when you've got somebody who's truly evil, they will prey on somebody who has the that bent to want to be a good person and do the right thing. And a really good thing, you know, I'm going to give you some mom advice because I'm considerably older than you, I'm sure. I doubt it. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm forty seven years old. OK, well, I'm sixty one. So, you know, here's some mom advice. Here's some mom advice. And the mom advice is, you know, just, just when somebody comes for help, you know, like that, and you're a good person, sometimes they need to slug it out in life and figure out their own problems. Not that we don't want to help, but they may have, they may want to become dependent on you and, and, or hurt you through the process. And it's not that we don't want to help people, but when you're in a situation that you've been hurt in, our way to fix it is to try to fix other people's problems. And so it makes us feel better about the situations we're in. The reality is... We got to get our own house in order and fix our own problems before we open the door. It's sort of like in the airplane. Put the mask on before you help somebody else. That's a really, really important thing to weigh out, especially going forward, is be okay with yourself. Get yourself feeling better about life. you know, do some things to help heal yourself. And if somebody comes to help, it's okay to tell them no for right now and say, you know what, I've got a situation here. I'd like to help you, but there's millions of people in the world that can help right now is not the right time. You know, that way you can approach it with a, with a, with a clear head and, and stop some of this abuse before it starts getting a toehold into you. And I think that that's a real, might be something you want to consider, you know, because, you know, you're truly someone who is reaching out to people and trying to do the right thing. And they may not have the same intentions that you have. Does that make sense? Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And it's OK to do that. That's OK to to put boundaries up on people. You know, we were we were taught, especially, you know, when we're children in the indoctrination camps that we've got that we that they call education, that we got to solve everybody's problems. And it's our our. You know, not on an individual basis when we're in a hurting situation. It's okay to put boundaries out there on people and say, just wait a minute, you're not going to hurt me anymore. That's okay to do, you know. So, so, but at any rate, I appreciate you coming on today. I hope that it was a good experience and getting this out there to other people is, you know, to, to hopefully get some people that are willing to, to actually help and hold people accountable. I, I, I define the accountability in our justice system or in, in, in CPS, absolutely disturbing. There's no accountability there whatsoever. And so, Yeah, I think that that's the biggest thing to take away from this is that, you know, we've got a real problem here. And, yeah. They're drunk with power. They get away with it every time. And they just think that they're going to keep getting away with it. But their day is coming. Yeah. Well, you guys have a great day today. And we're going to go to that part of the show, boys and girls, where we go to bing, bing, bing, bing. Go to brandoverforgovernor.com because I'm the best non-concealer who's ever not conceded in the history of the United States of America. And I'd like to have a discussion with the rightful president of the United States, the greatest president in the history of the United States, President Donald J. Trump in Cowboys. And so, you know, to fix these things. And I think we've got a bright future ahead. You know, I've watched how Robert F. Kennedy has been doing things in health and human services, which is where CPS comes out of. And I think you've got a champion that's going to step in there. and actually see people's lives and say this shit stops and that things are going to get turned around and actual real help for people who are in, who are in need and in trauma. And I'm, I'm very happy with that, you know, and we're going to see how things turn around. I think that, you know, returning, returning this nation back to the way it's supposed to function instead of a tyrannical, tyrannical, I don't even know the word to say right now. It's, it's horrific. government. But I think you're going to have help come. I think it's going to come in your way besides asking God into this. So I hope you have great amounts of peace today and that you know that God's looking after over this situation and that there's going to be help that's going to be in the way, not just for you, but your children with a bright future going forward. And that there's going to come an end to this. So stay hopeful. And, you know, stay hopeful that things are going to go in a good direction for you and your family. I think it's going to come, okay? So with that said, God bless you all. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. I have somebody in tomorrow that's a victim of MKUltra that's going to be on. And I think we need to talk about these very difficult situations that people have been going through. We need to face them and know what's really going on. So God bless you all. God bless all those whom you love. And God bless America. Make it a great day. If you don't have a good example, to everyone out there, if you don't have a good example, be one. And, you know, for those of us who have the ability to listen to God's direction, go and help the people around you. Even if it's a smile or an acknowledgement of them or sitting down and talking or praying for people, whether you pray out loud or quietly, first step, you know, go to prayer. Ask God into this situation. Yeah. Every time. So have a great day. Stay on the, stay on the broadcast. I'm going to end it and we'll talk after the, okay. Have a great day. We'll see y'all tomorrow.