Published Aug. 14, 2025, 9:02 a.m.
9am Greg Martini - Mr. Martini began studying and learning the IRS Tax Code and it’s Status and Standing for American(s), which led him during COVID in 2021 to studying the Law in America. By the end of 2023, he found a group led by David Jose and Mr. Martini began studying all of Dave’s law classes, along with other patriots that have published their works over the past decade. He has become an active Constitutional member of several groups that educate and assemble to learn and discuss our social/political structure in the United States. 10am Robert Brown - John Birch Society - Convention of States X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1lPJqvEZWwnxb Rumble: https://rumble.com/v6xkjdk-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-8142025-greg-martini-and-robert-brown-john-bir.html https://rumble.com/v6xkjao-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-8142025-greg-martini-and-robert-brown-john-bir.html Odysee: https://odysee.com/@BrandenburgNewsNetwork:d/bnn-2025-08-14-greg-martini-and-robert-brown-john-birch-society:3 BNN Live: https://Live.BrandenburgNewsNetwork.com Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Greg Martini, Robert Brown
Good morning and welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it is the fourteenth day of August twenty twenty five. Welcome to my show today. You'll notice I've got a little squeaky voice today and it was because I was talking to so many people yesterday trying to figure out all this water wars nonsense. And quite honestly, guess what? There's three ponds now that are completely bone dry. two more wells that are done. And I found out so much stuff on phase one that I didn't even know existed yesterday that it's going to shock you. There are people in the area that have profited off of this water wars work that's gone in. They're paying them for an easement and then they're putting trunk lines in so they can develop their own properties. You want to talk about a land grab, a money grab, a profit making I don't even know what to say about this. It has just gotten boss level, huger, bigger, more exponential than what you could ever imagine. But I'm going to bring Greg on right now and we're going to talk. Morning, Greg. How you doing? Wonderful. How are you? Good. Starting out with some breakfast, huh? I am. I am. Just a minute. Oh, that's good. I probably should have done that. I might be able to open up my throat a little bit. But you cannot believe the nonsense happening today. in this area. It is unbelievable. So I found out that we're in phase two right now where they have stabbed forty foot casings in the ground, like fifteen of them, and have drained hundreds of millions of gallons of water out of this area. But what I found out last night is that in phase one, They were doing it in phase one. And I don't even know the dates yet, but I'm going to get the dates. But there was so much water in the area that the pipe in that contractor started to float. So they had to bring the water table down even further to put these pipes in. And then they started putting sewer in in order to continue to drain it. There's a guy there who has two. He's got a pond. It was his mom's house. He has a pond. Completely bone dry there. And now their wells are going out there too because the contractor that's in there right now is continuing to pump. And so I've got a friend that talked to Connor at Montgomery Excavating and sounds like he was going to try to get an answer on who it was that walked past by no trespassing signs because he came out of a Montgomery Excavating truck. And the guy said he'd call him back, but he hasn't so far. He's also called up to Sault Ste. Marie and calling all over the state to find out what the oversight is. And there is not. And they walk away from it. And then another friend started digging into this. This is great. It's great when you get a bunch of friends together, really, who are motivated. And there's a whole bunch of Morgans, guys with the last name of Morgan. who are involved in, shall we say, all of the oversight agencies and permitting agencies in Kent County. So all of a sudden seeing these patterns emerge, you can look at this and say, I don't even know what to say right now. However, it ain't good guys. And so we're just going to continue to dig down on this until we get some answers. And we get to the bottom of this corruption that's here and pretty much extra sure. I'm going to give everybody my word that I'm not walking away from this until we kick every single stone over and find out where all the snakes are, because it's just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. And I'm pretty sure it's going to tie in to the dams that they're trying to remove because they're trying to, they're trying to take over our entire water supply. access to water, which is crimes against humanity. Just so everybody out there knows this. We're not going to end this little quest until we get to the bottom of crimes against humanity that's going on here in the state of Michigan. So there you go. And Donna, it's the state of Michigan, but it literally happened in California. That's what the fires were all about. And they realized how much control they can have when you control the water. That is the source of all life. I mean, it happened in Nevada. It happened in California. I mean, it literally is rolling across the country because they already have the blueprint in place. And the footprint is their jurisdiction versus ours. So we have to learn the fundamentals. We've got to slow down, go back to the maxims, go back to the original source and understand how they have the legal ability to do what they're doing with the land. It's just incredible. And then some Yahoo shows up on my Telegram channel and starts asking questions. Well, Donna, why do you think they're doing this? Well, guess what? I've already had a discussion with her and I've got one of those memories that people would wish I didn't have. I remember everything. Okay. Sucks when you deal with somebody with an eidetic memory. Okay. So this person pops up on my telegram channel and says, why do you think we're doing this? Because this person was honestly, they own a landscaping company. I believe they've got a company that's involved in this. So they've been pushing for this development all along, right with the rest of them. And I'm like, don't toy with me, you idiot. because I already know what's going on. And every one of you who is making money off of this greed and going after and hurting people along the way, we're pushing this so that they could make money off the development, the landscapers included, the builders, the developers, the assessors, all of them have a tie to this. And or the ones that want to develop these properties who are paying for easements, And then also making money off the development that comes after it. And then forcing people to get onto the municipal water supply when we had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of gallons of water that they drained out of the water table here. And they continue to drain. Guess what? I'm still I filed an emergency injunction and an ex parte and they asked for a an order for the judge to sign yesterday. So we ran that down there yesterday. This is going to end up and guess what? We're going to tear out all their crap that they put in the ground. to redirect the water. And quite honestly, it goes back to the maxims that you were stating yesterday, the fundamentals of water. And I got to tell you, I'm really thankful that you've taken the time to do this because there's other people out there. I talked to another person this morning who basically said, I disagree with some of the things that you bring on your show or that you've said. I'm like, guess what? I just checked you off the list of who I want to talk to. Because it's kind of, it's extortion in a way. They're like, unless you get your language straight and you start talking this, you're just confusing people. You know what? No, I'm not. I'm sitting here talking about this from different angles, trying to figure out if people can't stand and have what they say questioned and go ahead and maybe say, okay, I learned something new today because nobody knows everything. Yeah. You're talking to the wrong person here because I think that we need to talk to everyone, find out what they know, because other people know things we don't know and they may come at it from another area. And when people say things like that to me, I'm like, all right, I've got to just join in like a good little girl and say everything that you want me to say or I am not going to talk to you. That is nonsense. And it's like sometimes you got to get in an area where people don't know everything you know. And if a person is open to hearing what you say, that's how you teach. It's not talking to the choir. And I got to tell you, I get you a lot of credit for coming on here and talking to us who didn't know. what you know, and give us the time to work through those issues and say, well, but what about this? Because this is what I know. And you just keep teaching. And I've got a tremendous amount of respect for you. Tremendous. Well, it's truly not just me. I mean, if I wouldn't have the group that I have, if I wouldn't have my affinity in God's Word, and I am just a piece of the body. Everything I speak, I have to prove in writing, and it has to start with the origination of our constitutions and the Founding Fathers. And that starts with God's Word. So it's not me. What I speak to you, And the education that I have been given through all these resources is truly God gets the glory. God gets the thanks. And what we all have to do is slow down a little bit. And what your issues are in Michigan are the same issues I saw in the whole country. I have a third year Wall Street career and I know finance. And if you follow the power of in the money. Follow the money. And when you follow the money, it will reveal truth. And everything I say can be validated. And what we're fighting right now is a tyrannical government that is operating legally because we the people haven't have been able to learn and understand what a constitutional republic is. And they took it out of our schools a hundred plus years ago. So if they took it out of our schools, we're no longer educated. You have to read the Bill of Rights. And I'm not talking about the Federal Bill of Rights. I'm talking about our Bill of Rights in our state constitutions. And that can never be abridged. The only way it can be abridged is through contract. And we have the right to contract. And you know what they did? We contracted to be what's called dual citizens. Every single person in America is a dual citizen. And under that dual citizenship, they took control of everything. the District of Columbia, which is what Trump is trying to overturn through home rule, and they took control of it, and that dual citizenship, the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, took away all of our rights in our republic, every one, and swapped them for what they call civil and political rights, which basically are privileges. So they converted rights into privileges and they made us enslaved to what they're doing in Michigan. And if we slow down and begin to comprehend what that means, I am in a battle in Indiana and we are going to file at the federal district court and it's over jurisdiction. I don't want to live and have never wanted to live, but I didn't know I was living in their jurisdiction. And every state judge, every state judge, and this is in Judge Gorsuch's book, adjudicates in a dual legal system. So when they adjudicate a case, they adjudicate it based upon jurisdiction. Exactly. That book is key for people to read and understand. Do you realize that every guest I have on here, if they recommend a book, I buy them. Wow. I really do. You should see my library. Did you get his other one? I think I did. It's called A Republic. If you can keep it. Yeah, it's like I have got so many books, not just here. I've got ones here in stacks that I know I may want to grab at some point in time. But I have bookshelves and boxes. And I saw you bought the Maxim book, too. Yeah, I got Maxim's book. And then I actually had sent the link out to We the People Notices. for the maxims that were listed there. So they had like, not everybody will go out and be as crazy as I am and buy every single book of every person that comes on here. You know, it's like, because I think that's, I think that's how you, I want to know what perspectives people are coming at. And unfortunately, when you got an hour or so to talk to people, You're hitting the high spots, but you might miss some of the things that you might need to study a little bit more. But I honestly do that. And someday you'll have to see my collection. It's pretty epic. I am very similar. I think I have eight of the Black Laws. because of all the definitions that they've changed over the years. You want to know how many stacks I have within my reach right now? It's like I've got like a book for it around me, right? So I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Ten stacks. Your office is just like mine then. It is. You know what? My office is for somebody who actually works, not for somebody who actually sits around primping every single minute so that everybody's going to see that their little perfect area. I want things that I can work with, right? I'm like, to heck with that. But, you know, it's like the – I think, you know, we really hit it yesterday – Because a lot of people, when I go into the groups like, say, yours, or if I jump into, there's several of them out there that I will jump in who talk about fundamental law or law. New people coming into the groups feel so lost. I can tell you that. And I'm a pretty quick study. But when you get a group of people that have been talking for a long time, it takes a few times to connect the dots because their language is different in each group because they focus on different things. And so I really want everybody to know out there. that all of us who've been fighting this fight and figuring things out from the inside, we've been doing this for a while and we still don't know everything, but we're learning. And there was a point in time that we felt just like you do, where we're seeing things completely go to hell around us and trying to figure out what is wrong. We knew it in our hearts that something was wrong. But it took us a while, first of all, to piece together exactly what we were seeing, because these people behind the scenes that work in the shadows. So like what you were talking about is the political and the judicial, the nonjudicial area, which the judicial system is a bank. That's all it is at this at this point in time. But there's another whole level. Let me finish my point. There's another whole level above that, which is evil beyond what most people can possibly imagine. The people in government are a bunch of puppets. But when you go up a level and then maybe even another level, what you're seeing is an incredibly satanic system that is about subverting people and putting them into a slave class. They want all of us who are not in their little group of control factors, they want us gone. And it's very, very evil. They're the ones that are behind all the child trafficking and some of the other nonsense that's going on behind the scenes. And I mean, great evils are happening. And when you look at the water wars, The politicians, have you talked to them lately? They're not all that smart, okay? They pick out dumb guys who will follow orders and say, well, they told me what to do. I'm just a citizen. What was I supposed to know? You know what? You're supposed to know your job before you go in and take a job. And like I said yesterday, you don't walk in and say, you know what? I'm a chicken farmer. And now I'm going to walk into an operating room, pick up a scalpel, and go in and become and be a surgeon just because I want to. You need to know the job and be unwavering at that. And that's not what we have in the political class. And that's exactly what this globalist crime syndicate wants in the seats. They want people who are stupid and easy to control. So they just do what they're told. And then they catch them on something, blackmail them. And now you've got a captured asset for life. And I think you've said it eloquently, and I don't really blame the people, many of the people that are in our government, because they don't know even what you and I know about how we got here and what is their position. And when you're going to commit a fraud, and in my opinion, this is a fraud. and as as it is but it didn't start yesterday it didn't start twenty years ago it didn't start fifty it started a hundred and fifty years ago so many of the people in the fraud today are clueless about the differential and what we talked about you said the court system is nothing but a bank but people don't understand what that means in order to understand what that means you have to understand the two different jurisdictions. We have a constitutional Republic on one hand, and we have a constitutional democracy, which is communism on the other hand, and they moved you from the constitutional Republic into the trust of the constitutional democracy by contract. And when they did that, then now everything operates as banks because we're all corporations underneath this. So you have to understand those two jurisdictions. We are all dual citizens. We are a citizen of our state and we are a us citizen under the fourteenth amendment. Even though that fourteenth amendment, only applied to people within the jurisdiction of the District of Columbia. So they literally made us dual citizens and they did it so that they can control us. And every court in America completely flipped in the eighteen seventies all the way through the nineteen fifties, even up into the sixties. And they converted these courts into home rule courts, which adjudicate based upon two different sets of laws. And the one that they suppress, in our case in Indiana, the judge would not let us read the Indiana state constitution into the record. Now, why wouldn't she let us read that into the record? Because she... can't adjudicate except for under their democracy. That's a different, completely different Constitution and we operate in those two jurisdictions and it's understanding those two jurisdictions. What's funny is when you go in and you know that you can literally put them on notice when they tried to detain and or arrest me a couple of weeks ago. I looked right at the sheriffs and I'm like, I know your job better than you do. I can tell you that because you don't understand what your job is here. And that is, do you choose the criminal sitting up there on the stage or are you going to choose to defend we the people who they stole from? And I'm like, choose wisely because your future depends, your personal future depends on this. The next time we came back to the meeting, Karen was there and Karen refused to sit down like I did. There were three sheriffs in the back of the room and they stood down. They literally stood with we, the people, but you can't do that unless you know it. And then one time I was testifying in a case that I was called to testify in, in the attorney general's office. And I was a total contempt for these people. I've total contempt for them. And so they start questioning me and I'm just already done with it before we started because I'm like looking. There were some good guys in there. I'm going to tell you that. But the ones that were, you know, that really wanted to call me, I literally stopped and I said, I'm going to tell you what I said right now. I'm going to say what I want to say. And I'm not talking to any of you people in this courtroom. I'm talking to the record and I will be talking until I'm done talking because this has to go on the record. The judge laid his head right down on his desk and he was wiping the tears out of his eyes because he knew I was right. And so there I know I'm not giving anybody any suggestions here to do that. However, thank you. I decided I better go for two here. And so it's like it's like but really realize when you understand and when you understand the law. You literally can use it against them, which is why, you know, I get a lot of flack from everybody fighting pro se. Not just not I mean, every group out there. No, you got to do it this way or that way. And it's like, you know what? My my path in this right now is to pick up the weapons that they're using and beat them with it. Is it the way that it's supposed to work? No. And I know it's not supposed to work. this way, but this is what we got to deal with. I mean, this is picking up their weapon. I mean, this is what the military has been doing for a long time. They had developed a surveillance state to go after us. Okay. And I know you probably know this, Greg. And what the military did is use that. They picked up their weapon and they're using it to beat them with. And that's why I decided I'm going to try continuing on with this pro se. Now, that doesn't rule out that I want to know everything there is to know about notices because it's the right way to do it in military. with that combined with grand juries. But right now, we don't even have sheriffs that know how to use. So we can sit here and scream about the grand juries. I can too. I think that it's the right way to do it. And I have a person I know who's in a position of power who I believe has knowledge that there's grand juries that have already been called. I believe that's the truth. And our group is heavily focused on grand juries right now. And we're focused on it because I believe, I mean, that is supposed to be the fourth branch of government in the constitutional republic, not in their democracy. Right, right. Their democracy, they took and put it under the attorney general and they control it under the attorney general. and in the republic it's supposed to be where we get we the people get redress of grievance so it's just understanding there are two completely different jurisdictions when you When you represent yourself pro se, you're walking into their courtroom, which is fine. It's like walking into the lion's den. You're walking into the lion's den. But you are under statutes and codes and acts. You are under their democracy. And that's okay as long as you understand it. I understand. As sui juris, you are going in solely in the constitutional republic. Now, we went in sui juris in Indiana solely. In fact, we denounced our pro se. We denounced the entire statutory code. You cannot sue someone for a felony in the Constitutional Republic without a victim. You can't do it, period. I mean, you have to have a victim. Well, in their system the government the state can sue us well they're supposed to be our trustees how can our trustees turn around and sue us for a felony with no victim right right with no victim and they they can do it because that is where the ngos that's where the money that's where the theft is occurring and will continue to occur So it's understanding those two jurisdictions. Right. That's why we go back to fundamentals and fundamental common law, which the Supreme Court has said in at least a dozen cases. I mean, I'm sorry about that. He had a train there, Greg. It sounds like he had a train in the background. I see Greg there with his toy train, his model train thing there with a... Again, it is going back, reading our Bill of Rights in our states, learning the maxims, which are the fundamental common law, and standing on those rights, knowing that you're a dual citizen. And by the way, we have the constitutional right in the republic. I can go from one to another anytime I choose. They can't because they take an oath. We the people don't take an oath. We did not take an oath to the Constitution. We are just granted as the posterity of our founding fathers, we are granted all the rights which have been reserved outside of the Republic. And it's understanding what that means so that when I go into a courtroom in America, I know, and Judge Gorsuch said, you have a ninety plus percent chance of walking into a courtroom and it's not a real judge. And that is that is every state court in America. Right. It's not a real judge. They used to be called hearing officers because now they adjudicate based upon not fundamental common law, not God's law, which is the rights I was guaranteed. They adjudicate under statute and codes and their rules of civil and criminal procedure. Well, and they're also creating law from the bench. Because they're allowed. They're allowed. That's perfectly legal. And all the regulatory agencies are doing the same thing. They're creating law when they have no ability to do that. So they're all completely out of order. Because they've taken oaths. What's that? Because they take an oath to the Republic, but none of them have read their state constitutions. They don't know what it means. This judge told my friend in our Indiana case that sui juris is equal to pro se. The definitions aren't even close to each other. Pro se represents my Fourteenth Amendment citizenship. which my friend is not a Fourteenth Amendment. In fact, he took his Fourteenth Amendment, he denounced it. He took his vessel back. He took the ownership of his vessel back. So he is no longer a Fourteenth Amendment citizen. He does not want to be. He wants to be a citizen of his state. So he took it back. They don't know that. This judge doesn't know it. But she can't adjudicate a case in her courtroom that doesn't have dual laws. The Constitution, which she will not even allow into her courtroom. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy. But she did say in our first hearing, and we have witnesses that's filed an affidavit, but she strikes all these affidavits. We're the only ones that are willing to put under oath or affirmation in the courtroom an affidavit of truth. Their sole affidavit that they filed in the case is filed by a clerk in the DA's office that has no firsthand knowledge of any of the facts. And that happened in the J-Six case. It's happened in probably fifty million cases a year. This is how they sue us. And they sue, I mean, men and women that they have no jurisdiction over. But we don't know what jurisdiction they're fighting. And the minute you hire an attorney, you agree to accept all of their jurisdiction. Right. Go in pro se, which is great. I love what you're doing because fighting them with their own law. And if you can win, it's more difficult than winning as a SUI jurist because fighting a SUI jurist, they can only indict me. for a felony based upon the fundamental common law. You know, what's really funny is that it kind of strikes terror into their hearts a little bit, because when you go in there and you start, you start, you walk right into their own castle, you know, their own weapons and start start exacting accountability. So like when I was at the township last week, I made a comment. I'm like, did you did you guys get any notification that your city attorney has committed fraud upon this township? Did he tell you he doesn't have a license to practice law? Because there isn't anyone in the United States who has a license to practice law. They'll claim it, but they don't. They got the country club card from the Bar Association. That's all it is. It's fiction. But it's legal. It's legal, though. It's fiction, but it is legal. It's sort of. Did you know that the Michigan Constitution, even though it was unlawfully installed, they only had one-tenth of one percent to put that sixty-three in? Well, I know you know it because you did a spreadsheet on it. It makes a void on its face. And so you see everything we're standing on in Michigan right now is based on the unlawful changes that they put in that Constitution. The entire thing has to be rolled back and go back to where they started breaking the law. What's that? We have to start fighting our cases based upon the organic, which is what we're doing in Indiana. We're not fighting on the eighteen forty nine Constitution. We're fighting on the eighteen sixteen, the organic Constitution, because that's where my rights were guaranteed to me. And by the way. I mean, how in the world do they literally and the only reason they can do this is because they created a separate jurisdiction. Right. Called Home Rule. Because how in the world can we possibly I love these states that have Four versions of their constitution. They literally just reword it because they can in their democracy. It's communism. It is communism. And we're heading to communism so fast. Oh, we're in it. We're in it. We're in it. We're straight out. We are in it. The Supreme Court is flipped. The Supreme Court is completely flipped. Thank God for Trump's first term. Thank God for President Trump and all the good guys fighting with him. Nobody does this alone. Everybody, you have key people that are willing to stand up and take the Take the swords and the arrows. Right. President Trump did. He was the one that literally stood up there and was the figure figurehead. And he's a smart guy. I like President Trump. You know, and I think that you and I are the same in this is that we don't see things. Good guys aren't going to telegraph what they're doing. They're not bad guys for our service. We're in a war right now. And just so everybody knows, the weapons of their war, it's unconventional warfare. They are utilizing the resources, all of these useful idiots that are in the townships as well that are just greedy. They're using all of this. They're using people that are in the political world. who are, you know, the only way we can win is this way. The only way we can win is that way. Talking about being a political party member. It's a cult. You know what? I honestly believe that we can win the way God tells us is the way to go. And that's going back. It's following him, not following people, not following. You know, people that are pushing it. This is the only way or that's the only way. The only people that get glory in that realm are the people that are in that realm. When we sit there and go, the only way to win is to follow God at this point in time, because we are in a tangled spaghetti mess. We are. Madded nonsense that. is is so hard you know I started doing reports on the brandenburg files and so I put that I don't know if you saw that yesterday I did brandenburg files up there and um it's where I started posting some of this and I'm like how do I even I realized the other day when I was speaking in a group I was a keynote speaker and I I was trying to connect the dots from people and realizing I'm going to have to break this into almost like chapters And once you get your arms around one chapter, you go to the next chapter and then refer back to that a little bit so you can see how this is all connected. It is all connected. And right now, the regulatory agencies that are permitting, doing the permitting in the state of Michigan, they should probably be a little concerned right now because they were all in it and there's no oversight here. So what they do is they kick a contractor out there, nudge, nudge. That sort of thing. The contractor does whatever they want to do to take orders from the people that are above the permitting people. Because you're dealing with the U.N. here and the U.N. 's agenda. And the U.N. 's agenda ties in with the bankers. And the bankers' agenda ties into the insurance companies who is, in fact, paying for the attorneys themselves. that are representing your local area, because it is just like you look at it and it's like, holy Moses, this thing, there are there every single one of them are connected. And that's why when you go back to the maxims and we looked at the ones we looked at yesterday for land ownership, I mean, those can never be abridged at first, but the way they did it is by contract. Yes. Contract. They can't abridge them. But the minute we go back and we educate ourselves and we learn that those those basically theft of our rights into contracts that we did not agree to because we didn't realize what they were doing. I mean, those are all null and void on their face, but we have to understand how do we get back to this? How do we get back to owning all the water that runs and ought to run as it has run? I mean, the allodial titles, the allodial titles and to go back to the allodial titles means you own everything below and above. And I know we've talked about it, but I had a friend that was on here, Doug Force, from Canada. And this is going to blow people's mind. Canada was never properly federated. And guess what? After he was on my show about a month and a half later, two months, he died. They killed him. I think they killed him. I really do. And then when he was in the United States, they told him, to leave the powers that be told him leave the United States and never come back because he was working on putting together a timeline and proving out the United States was never properly federated. And it happened back in the articles of confederation. There was a, There was a breach. There was a bridge there. And this is something they don't want anybody to know because you know what happens when this is not properly federated and we really get the lawful process figured out? Guess what? You've got instantaneous states' rights at that moment. And And it breaks apart this collectivism that they created to steal our rights and continue to make bigger, bigger, bigger, more centralized structures where we only become pigs in the pen or sheep that they just want to get rid of. We're in their way. And I had a friend that explained this in a really, really good way. We really are seeing like two tribes that are fighting right now. And the tribes that are fighting are the Satanist tribes who are the global crime syndicate who are not above killing people. They're not above it at all. And there's a lot of people that have been out here that have been hurt, had their, I've got a friend that I want you to think about this. He was voted in as a state rep. And all of a sudden he gets some sort of a weird fungus that started to destroy his body. There were only two other people that had it and they were in China. Now you tell me how he's the only one and all of a sudden he comes back to something that required his joints to be replaced that darn near killed him. And it's like all of this stuff is happening right under people's noses. You should have Dr. Jack Cruz on your show because he literally was involved in the MK, the experiments that they ran. He knows it from the beginning. They chased him out of the country. He still actually has a location in Florida though, but they chased him out of the country and he's done numerous podcasts and it is how they handle getting rid of people that put an X on their back. The good news now we have, and I'm amazed I'm still here with as much crap as I've been putting out there as well. And I'm amazed that, that I am still here, but at the end of the day, we have God on our side. He's powerful. And I don't fear them. You don't fear them and you only fear God. I mean, we only have one master and that's our God. It's God almighty. Don't don't worship men. And the sooner you get, you know, you wrap your head around that and you only fear God. God will help you guide you in order that you can you know, we can take our country back. It never left us. It never left us. We just have to understand we have a constitutional right to a republic. And I don't care how many. fake constitutions they've created and overlaid over the top, every single one of them is void that took away my rights because I didn't contract with you. I am not in contract. Now, they call it an adhesion contract. So what we did on our license plates is we created, I took off their state license plate and I put a license plate on that's called an adhesion contract. That's the same thing that they sucked us into their democracy by. It's a life contract. Right, you're picking up their weapons and you're beating them with it. This is hilarious. But by the way, this is what we have to learn. Now, I also want to say, I don't recommend anybody do what we have done and what I've done personally. I mean, to educate myself and to take my license off of my car. I mean, I haven't had a license plate on my car for almost two years. I've never, I mean, I've been pulled over one time. In that two-year period, I obviously was let go, and my friend was pulled over, and they put him in prison because of that same license plate that I have on my car. Things might get real serious if you do some of these things, but some of it's worth it. And some of it's worth it because you've got to be able to stand on your rights that you have to know, and it starts with the constitutions and the maxims of law. And once you understand it, And once we learn it, I mean, a hundred years ago or a hundred and fifty years ago, every school student studied these. They studied these in school. They studied the state constitutions. They understood. Most people aren't even aware. I wasn't for fifty five years. There's nothing wrong with lack of knowledge when we haven't been taught. I never realized there was fifty one constitutions. I mean, but they have overlaid and technically there's more than that because they overlaid the democracy. Those are all fake constitutions. Those are their jurisdictional constitutions. And they overlaid it on top of the Republic in order that they could create their own tyranny lawfully or legally in their mind, but unconstitutionally in our mind. And we have to understand now every court in America is ruling on those dual jurisdictions. And we have to change that, and we will change that. And we're going to force these courts to tell people, what jurisdiction are you ruling under? What law are you ruling under? The minute they tell you they're ruling as we, the people, under what their maritime law is, under universal commercial code, those only apply to your servants. Those laws and rules are meant for your servants to protect our rights. They cannot write any rule that goes against our constitutional rights in our constitutional republic. I got to tell you, it just came up on my thing here while I'm listening to you. Now I can't post comments on any of the – The StreamYard. I use StreamYard. You're quitting. No. And so this is an all-on assault to get rid of Brandenburg here because my Facebook and YouTube channels, which the YouTube channel I was posting to is the U.S. Taxpayers Party channel and the Constitution Party channel. Well, they took that down. That's permanently suspended. My Facebook for Brandenburg News Network is now permanently suspended. And this is in the last two days because I poked – freaking black rock, the scourge of the earth. And I'm going to poke them again, black rock, the scourge of the earth and Vanguard state street and Arabella and all of these, this monopoly. Yeah. They all, they all own all that. So they're going to try to shut us down. And guess what? I may just trash stream yard. And so because of your, your, un-American and unconstitutional way that you run it because I can do a local. We've got another one sitting in the wings. I was just waiting for them. Like I said, I'll run right into the fire and watch people fail. Guess what? At this point in time, I think I've got a really pretty good lawsuit against both Facebook and and YouTube going on here. StreamYard was bought by YouTube because everybody sells their stuff to these globalists when they wave the dollar in front of them. They just print. They just print. You're taking fake paper to have a fake ego, to have a fake reality, and they stand for nothing. It's unbelievable to me. Can't believe it. So yeah, that just came up. So thank you, Hassan Nine, for reposting the stream. I can't comment on it right now because they have chosen to stop me from being able to comment. But you know what? I keep telling people, if they keep taking me down, I'll find a hundred thousand ways to be up there. It doesn't make any difference. You know, we're going to keep coming back. They can't fight you on truth. I mean, they can't fight you when you show them in writing that What the maxims say, I mean, they don't want to hear a maxim. They don't want to hear real truth. Guess what? I'm going to take a picture on why they're not allowing comments. This is funny. Chat platform support. It's off. Huh. This is interesting. Why? Why? I'm going to have to dig down into this a little bit. So Facebook, LinkedIn, X, Hopin, Instagram Live has got an X on it, but I think I can still post on it. TikTok Live, according to stream yards down. This is actually kind of fun. Talk about a fall on your face failure. They took my well down so I didn't have any water there. You think that taking me down on social media is going to slow me down? I got another thought coming for you. You just gave me a challenge for today. This is like playing parkour. Just decided to jump from one building to another. It's okay. It's hard for we the people to go out and get our message out. And the reason it is is because they think, you know, right now, BlackRock, State Street and Vanguard, they literally control seventy percent of the vote of every publicly traded company. And Google started out as a defense contractor. Most people don't realize that. That's their origins. They were a defense contractor to control the minds of our enemies. And you know what? They view all Americans, we the people, as their enemy so that they can control us and they can tax us. I mean, unconstitutionally. And that's the way to think about it. And that's why we have to all learn, you know, YouTube, we love those services. But they're all controlled literally by what we call the cabal. So. Okay. I want to show you something that I put up there and I'm going to see if I can do it since I'm not on YouTube. They can't give me a strike right now. Cause I found ways to get around it. You know, that's the, that's the main thing, you know, you kind of find ways to get around it. So I'm going to put some of this up. Here's our, here's my trespassers. Let's see. I'm going to see how far out. I had more stuff I put up yesterday. When here's my trespassing sign. Hang on a minute. This is going to be kind of fun. And I want to play a video. And this is all about. So I really like doing things that's about manipulation. So I would have to say that probably I'm probably a little if you had to look at gifts of the spirit, I would say that I probably have the ability to at times to have some discernment. Okay. And so I look for stuff and especially things that I can help communicate to other people how they're being manipulated. MKUltra is in full swing right now. It is. And you know where they're getting people? They're getting them on the video shorts. And they can, you know, we were talking about with Karen yesterday, they can reprogram your mind. In forty-five minutes, they can program somebody who will go out and will commit an unaliving event, okay? Forty five minutes. You if you're doing doom scrolling on any of these platforms, they are trying to rewire your brain. So here I got to show you. Oh, the skeleton on yesterday. Turns out she was, in fact, just lost in a sister of a neighbor. But I had these guys and some other guys that walked right past the the no trespassing sign. But I've got some friends who are naval intelligence. They made a few calls. I think things are going to not go well for these guys at this moment in time. You don't threaten a patriot. I love that one because he's taking a picture of my billboard and trying to, I hope they went, I hope they're in there listening today, guys. I hope you're listening because accountability is coming and it's going to be painful. You know, I love this stuff. That's one of my favorite people in the whole world, Admiral Rogers. I love this guy. And he really, if it hadn't been for him and General Flynn, we would have already probably been gone. So let me see. Oh, I've got it back here. Hang on. Let me go through this. Sorry. That's all right. Hosted here. I'm going to get through all of their little. There's Montgomery excavating who decided to. That's the truck that dropped this dude off. So my friend talked to Connor Montgomery, I assume, because that's the name I have. And so I'm sure Connor Montgomery out there is probably going to have some heartburn after what they did to the wetlands. And they're just like one of the guys standing in line because they're all involved in this crap. So this was the Stephanie Lambert stuff. And I want to – where in the world did I put it? Hang on. Let me let me look and see if I can find the I want to find this video that I posted and show you the reality of what they're doing. to rig our minds and our ability to think. If you can talk for just a minute. Sure, I can totally talk. I think if you go back and get that book we were talking about earlier, there's a case in there that deals with the no trespassing signs that went all the way to the Supreme Court over a guy that had no trespassing signs in his flower garden. And a neighbor bird actually flew into his flower garden. It went all the way to the Supreme Court from decades ago. Was that in the overruled or is it in the other one? That's in the other one. Okay. All right. I'll buy it. And it's good because, again... Going back and reading these cases, I mean, when we really did still have a republic, it's important to understand our constitutional rights. Okay, I'm going to play this because this gets into – and I posted the link on my Telegram channel. And the way that they're doing it, I don't know if you've ever seen it, but they do some different things that they'll bounce back and forth between your eyes. They're rewiring your brain. And with all of these images that flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, they're rewiring your brain. So put the phone down, get off of these shorts, get off of it. Or if it, unless you just want them to rewire you, cause that's exactly what they're doing. But let's listen to this just a minute. This is a that this is a confusing statement but if we're in a conversation and I'm speaking in a really confident way and I said something like how different would it be if the same thing started looking now like it wouldn't change if nothing else really did and you could just get completely open and then the cia without even attributing anything to them copied it almost word for word in an interrogation manual and I have that pdf too really just exposed the scariest manipulation trick yet. They used to call it interrogation, but now it's just called content. They discovered this in the fifties and sixties that if I can confuse your brain, your brain acts as though someone who is, it's somebody that's falling. So if you imagine when you're falling, your limbs are flailing all over the place and the first solid object that they come into contact with, it's going to like grab around it. That is exactly what's happening in the political venue. So somebody comes up with some cockamamie proposal or something. Oh, it sounds good, and the whole world is going crazy around you. People grab it, but they don't look into it. And we're going to get into this in a few minutes with... with robert brown with convention of states sounds like a good idea but I'm going to tell you what it's complete and utter manipulation just like ax my tax get into it and look into it guys you're you're falling for a trap well I will tell you I was the supporter of it years ago And that moment of confusion is going to get grabbed onto. So the brain corollary to this is if a person is confused, the first logical piece of information they hear after being confused will be automatic. Bam, right there. Yep. That's where we're at right now. So if you're being confused and then all of a sudden the propaganda comes up, you know, that's why I'm a real big fan of sit quietly. Go out and sit in your garden. Sit with a few friends. Pray to God. Ask him for clarity because you're going to clear that brain fog out and be able to think. There's a reason they show CNN in every airport in America. You bet. That's their control mechanism. People don't realize it, but it's not the news. You bet. Well, hey, Greg, how do we do this? Thanks for coming on this morning. I really love it because every time you're on, I feel like I'm smarter when I get off. I feel like I'm smarter when I get off here because, you know, you have actual content. And real, real education when you come on. And I just appreciate it so much. And I think that all of us need to, once again, stop getting sucked into this stuff that's rewiring our brains so that when they do come at us with a proposal or convention of states, well, it sounds reasonable. Bam, we got it right there. And then all of a sudden, you don't realize you just grabbed an anchor that's going to take you right down to the bottom of the ocean and drown you with it. Before I learned what I know now, I was a big supporter of Convention of the States because, again, there's so much behind the scenes. And the three proposals that they were trying to change nationally, they made sense to me. But then I realized the whole thing doesn't make sense to me now. Because now I learned from the beginning, you've got to go back to the beginning, to the fundamentals. It starts with your God. It starts with your Bible. Go from that to the constitutions of your state and then go to the maxims of law, the fundamental common law. God gave us all rights and our founding fathers gave them all to us directly from God. Yeah. Hey, somebody just said, thank you, Don, for your platform. And resonating with truth. And that was somebody said, good morning to you. And that was vigilante nine. Oh, six. And then also there's there's somebody said they've they've been doing this deplatforming for a very long time. they may try to debank you yet yet well guess what there's actually another level there and I'm going to guess that and and not all that level is evil and I'm going to guess that those people are going to come to my rescue and then you're going to really see the the hammer brought down and advanced accountability skills are going to come out of the woodwork and it's going to be terrifying for the bad guys completely and utter terrifying So anyhow, thanks, Greg. I'm going to quick go for a little bit of a break and try to get my voice back here just a minute. And then I'll be on with Robert Brown. And we're going to be talking about this sham distraction and manipulation of the Convention of States. I'm absolutely not for this. And you really need to know why. So you can defend yourself when they come at you with their nonsense. We'll be right back. Good morning and welcome to the second hour of Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it's the fourteenth day of August twenty twenty four. Welcome to the show. I'm going to get right to it here, guys. Bring on Robert Brown. How you doing, Robert? I'm doing well. Can you hear me OK? Yeah, I can. I love talking with you. You know, it's like talk about having actual content. You know, you have actual content. And I just absolutely love that to have people who are educated and come on and enable us and educate us on what we don't know. And I saw your presentation when we were up in New Hampshire at the National Constitution Party Convention of which I'm the chairman of the Constitution Party in Michigan. the U.S. Taxpayers Party. We're kind of getting our name changed, but Jocelyn Benson and her cadre of married men up there are trying to obstruct it. But I think I'm winning, so it's kind of fun. Awesome. Awesome. Absolutely love the work of the Constitution Party. I'm a huge defender and advocate of the U.S. Constitution. And I always like to start with where that began for me, where Somewhere around twenty years ago, a friend and neighbor of mine invited me to a class on the Constitution, and he informed me it was going to be held in my living room. And so, of course, I showed up. And the reason I start there is because that was a turning point for me in my life, that as I began to study the Constitution in earnest, I began to recognize so many things. Number one, we're really not following the Constitution in any honest sense of the word. Number two, if we were, the vast majority of our nation's problems would be solved. And number three, the main reason why we are not following the Constitution is because, as Alexander Hamilton says, we the people are the natural guardians of the Constitution. And yet we don't know what it says. We the people are generally very ignorant of what the Constitution says and means and what the limits of power are as defined for the U.S. federal government. It was really a very loose compact. The states were supposed to be like independent nations with a few exceptions in which they come together for things like foreign trade, war and peace and negotiation with foreign countries and things like that. But almost everything was left to the states. And we've so flipped that where almost everything now is in the hands of our federal government and the states have very little real power. You look at Federalist Forty Forty five, for example. where Alexander Hamilton talks about the powers extended to the federal government by the Constitution are few and defined. The powers given to the, or reserved to the states are many and indefinite. And so that doesn't sound like our government today at all. And so that really launched me on a mission to help try to restore the Constitution in the hearts and minds of the American people. And with that, over the course of years of working at that, I eventually created the constitution course known as the constitution is the solution available for free on YouTube. Look up the constitution is the solution. You'll find a six lecture video playlist there where you can watch the series and, and start to get to know what we really need to know to defend the line between what is and what is not in the federal government's actual power and jurisdiction. Because again, as I said, If we were to actually enforce that, the vast majority of our national problems would be solved. Take, for example, our national debt. I love this example because if we were to be enforcing the Constitution and only allowing the federal government to spend money on the things that are authorized by the Constitution, by my estimations, we'd have more than a two trillion dollar surplus annually. We'd begin paying down the national debt And the federal government, of course, would be far less abusive and intrusive in our daily lives because they'd only be working on things they were actually authorized to be doing in the Constitution. That would solve so much just by itself if we limited the federal government to what we actually authorized them to do in the Constitution. It's really a service contract. And I think that for us to really, really frame this is that The government we have, we, we literally have asked them to do a specific job. They took it as being installed as Kings and Queens and turned it into tyranny. And we were, we are now their subjects. That's how they view it. And they've got total contempt for us. But, you know, as we said, the constitution is there and we just have to go back to what works. Yeah, absolutely. And that is the natural path of any government is to always try to amass more and more power. And of course, with what's often called the Revolutionary War, I like to call it the war for independence. It wasn't really a revolution because we weren't just overthrowing the government, we were seceding, we were breaking away from them. But with that, the founders recognized that our government under King George had grown far too powerful, far too abusive, and they brilliantly outlined a balance between enough power to protect our rights and yet enough checks and balances if we use them to protect us from government abuse. The only blame we can place though, isn't in the constitution. It's in our role as enforcing the constitution. If we simply enforce what it says, government's back in the box. It really is that simple. We can talk more about that as we get deeper into the show today. Yeah, whatever direction you want to go in, this is your time, you know. So if we can, we're going to talk about the Convention of States just so that everybody knows how I became aware of the Convention of States. The people that I've seen involved in this are absolutely nuts, okay? I was at a meeting and this chick comes up and she starts pushing this convention of states. And I'm not kidding you. She was absolutely flailing and jumping around. At a couple of points, she jumped up in the air and bam, came down on her knees on the floor. and was doing what kind of a freaking nut job would do that, okay? That's what I got to ask. She's in a meeting to talk about, and the next thing she goes into is being like a rabid squirrel who just jumped up in the air and literally came down, bam, on her knees. She'd get up, and she'd start screaming again, and then the next thing you know, she came down right on her knees again, and I'm like, all right, this kind of left an unfavorable opinion. of of somebody that's there not to educate but indoctrinate and you know we just went through the video on a little bit on how they are reprogramming people's minds and what that looks like and how the mechanisms of our minds. I mean, there's, there's certain things that we're born with biologically and like most normal people, we understand what a man and a woman is, but to, you know, to program people to do crazy stuff. Right. And if we're in a sense of trauma, which everybody seems to be in trauma all the time, it's real easy for people to grab onto something that seems familiar, even if it's wrong. they'll grab the first thing that gives them like solid ground or the feeling of solid ground. And we've got to get away from this. So let's talk about the constitution of states and give people a basis, you know, and anything that we learn, it takes some time, you know, you don't get it overnight. So if anybody's out, out there is a little lost, just stick with it because all of a sudden it's going to click and you're going to be like, Oh wow, this really makes sense. And then you're going to really, have that tool to defend a position. So just jumping back to just before I came on, as you're visiting with, I believe his name was Greg Martini, right? Yes, Greg Martini. The discussion right at the end of the show there, he's talking about that feeling of when you're falling and you grasp out for anything, you grab onto anything solid that you can. And that's a great description of what we're seeing here. Because in our nation, of course, anyone that's paying attention recognizes our country, our leadership, our government is way off track, as I was mentioning a moment ago. And someone comes along and says, I've got a solution that the founders gave us. It was put in the Constitution for such a time as this. They love to use that kind of phrase. Got to pull it from the Bible. Yeah, exactly. And I don't have any problems with that. I love God. That's not what it is. But I don't like people using God for manipulation. It's detestable. Oh, absolutely. And you have to put yourself in the minds of people who grasp onto this because it sounds good. It sounds like the founders foresaw that this would become a problem at some point, and they gave us the solution. It's right here built into the Constitution. It's like this secret, little-known part of the Constitution that we need to Utilize now because this is the safety valve that they put in there for us for when government gets too abusive it all sounds so good and Unless you know real history and and that's where I I come into this because as I saw them years ago when I first was exposed to the Convention of States organization and other groups that are pushing for this concept I know the history that they're manipulating and I know the history and all these different claims and quotes and things that they're pointing to aren't accurate. And that's where I start having a problem is when they're blatantly misrepresenting historical precedent and really why this is even put in the Constitution and so on. They're lying to us in a manner that sounds so reassuring. And we're going to rescue our country. We're going to get things back on track by opening the Constitution to changes. And literally that's, we're going to blame the constitution for our problems and we're going to change the constitution. Just, just from a hundred foot view here, you look at this as is the constitution, the problem, or is our ignoring the constitution, the problem, who is the constitution in the way of you look at those who don't want Liberty, those who want totalitarian state, those who want a King, basically those who want to create globalism, the constitution, one of their biggest problems. And if they can have an opportunity to open up the Constitution to changes, that's exactly what they need. That's not what those of us who love liberty need. We don't need a change of the Constitution. We need a return to it. We need an enforcement of it. The limited powers that are defined in there would work wonderfully and always did work wonderfully anytime we actually followed the Constitution. So we have people out there promoting it as this first, I'm going to give the background of what it says in the constitution and then what they portray it as in article five of the U S constitution. That is the section where it talks about how to make changes or amendments to the constitution. And it defines two paths. Number one, it says that Congress can propose amendments to the constitution and with a two thirds vote in the house and two thirds vote in the Senate, that becomes a, an official proposal. And at that point, it goes out to the states. And the states have two ways in which they can ratify. The states can ratify by the state legislatures, or they can ratify by special ratifying conventions held in each state bypassing the state legislatures. And Congress gets to decide that. Congress gets to decide whether it's going to be state legislators that vote on this or whether it's special conventions in each state. And either way, once you have three-fourths of the states signing on to a proposed amendment, it becomes part of the Constitution. And we've only done that very few times. Of course, the Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments, were done that way. They were proposed by Congress. They went out to the states, and state legislatures ratified the Bill of Rights. They actually ratified ten amendments. of the twelve proposals that Congress made for a Bill of Rights. Number one and two were not ever ratified, which is interesting. And actually, years later, in the eighties, one of those two was ratified, one of the original two, which basically says that Congress cannot give themselves a pay raise that takes effect prior to their next election. So if I vote for myself as member of Congress to have a big pay raise, you can kick me out of office before it goes into effect. And then the other one that didn't pass is one basically limits how many people a congressional district can have. That if we had that amendment in place, we'd have far more US congressmen and they'd be representing a much smaller population each. That one's never been ratified. There are some people out there pushing for that as well. But in addition to that, all other amendments that have ever passed have gone through Congress. They've always been proposed by Congress. And in every case, but one they've always been ratified by the state legislatures. The only one that was ratified any other way was the repeal of prohibition of alcohol, the twenty first amendment. That one was sent to the state, to the states to be ratified in conventions, not through the state legislatures. And I honestly, I believe that that is why it passed. It probably wouldn't have passed through the state legislatures. And Congress recognized that wanted to give it a better chance. So they got it through state convention ratification rather than ratification by state legislatures. Anyways, that's a little bit of history of ratification of amendments to the constitution. Now the other path that has never been used, it says upon the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the states, Congress shall call a convention for proposing amendments. So you have state legislatures applying to Congress. We want to have a convention for proposing amendments. And once we get up to two thirds of the states, which is thirty four, then Congress is to call a convention. The convention then has the power to propose amendments to the Constitution. And then whatever they propose has the same two possibilities for ratification as the other method. It can be ratified by state legislatures or it can be ratified by Special conventions held in each state. And again, Congress gets to decide which ratification process it'll use. So that's what's in the constitution. That is the article five convention is two thirds of the States apply to Congress. Congress calls the convention and then whatever they propose goes out to the States for ratification. And based upon that, there are several groups. on the right and on the left, liberal and conservative that are saying, Hey, we need to have an article five convention. We need to make changes to the constitution to fix this or that. And then where they go from there differs depending on the organization, but any of them that are on the conservative side, they all come down to this same claim. That is the article five convention can be limited. It's not gonna open up the entire constitution to changes. We can limit it to a specific subject matter. And this is where they start to get very dishonest. frankly. That's a nice way of saying it, really, quite honestly. I'm a little more direct and to the point. They're lying. They're ever living behinds off. They have already proved maladministration. They have already proved that they can't be trusted and that we cannot give them unlimited power because they've already failed. And if their mouth is moving, they're lying to us. And I do have to be gentle about this in that there are two people. You're right. You're absolutely right. And I'm going to separate that. And then we can come down very hard on the right group because the leaders of these organizations know full well that what they are saying is a blatant lie and their followers are generally innocently supporting what they think is a good idea and not intentionally lying themselves. So placing the blame where it properly belongs, when you have people like Mark Levin, Mark Meckler, Michael Ferris, those are some of the top voices promoting the Convention of States organization. And those three, for example, will not engage in an actual live public debate against their top opposition like myself. Just over a year ago, for example, I was asked to go do a debate for the Republican women of Central Iowa. And I was lined up to vote or to debate, excuse me, against Michael Ferris. Michael Ferris is one of the co-founders of the Convention States Organization. Did he also do the homeschool legal defense? Correct. He was in there with another attorney that's really active in Michigan politics, David... I got to think of his last name, but they're, they're just, there's so many weird connections when you start connecting individuals and all of a sudden their masks start falling off and you start and have to ask some real questions. Yeah. And I think the work he did with the Homeschool Legal Defense Fund was a good organization. They did good work. I don't personally know of anything that I would have a problem with there. But because of that, because he established a name of being a good fighter for liberty and things like that in that venue, as he comes along and promotes this Article V convention, Convention of States organization, he had a lot of traction from that. And yet he had scheduled, he had already agreed, booked travel plans and everything to come out to Iowa to debate someone he didn't know who's going to debate yet on the topic of the article five convention and once I confirmed that I would be happy to be his debate opponent he immediately pulled out and said absolutely not I will not do this debate and and that could be because I I love to take his arguments and show where he has misled the people and it really comes down to one thing historical precedent That's the biggest issue for me, because the best way to predict the future is look at what happened in the past. And we really only have one historical precedent for a convention across our entire nation making proposals for changes to our Constitution. That is the convention where our U.S. Constitution was written. You have to remember that our U.S. Constitution as we have it today is not our first Constitution. It's really our second. And if you were talking to, let's say James Madison back in, James Madison, in , if you're talking to him about problems that we have in our federal constitution, what federal constitution would he be talking about? The articles of confederation. And they regularly called the articles of confederation, the federal constitution that was the constitution at the time. They use that term constitution and federal constitution. And so as I've dug through history, I find many letters and different writings and things where they're talking about the federal constitution having serious problems and we need to come together to have a convention to propose changes to the Articles of Confederation to the federal constitution. And that's where things really set a significant precedent because let me, and first, let me give again what their claims are. They claim we can apply for an Article five convention for a limited purpose. For example, we're going to apply for a convention for a balanced budget amendment or for term limits or something like that. And if we specify in our application to Congress that we're applying for a convention for this sole purpose, then Congress can only call a convention limited to talking about term limits or a balanced budget or something like that. That's their claim. And if we have this limited convention, they're limited to that one thing. They cannot bring up the Bill of Rights. They cannot bring up the Second Amendment. They cannot bring up anything else. It's going to be safe. And then whatever comes out of that convention has to be ratified by three-fourths of the states. And nothing bad could happen here. That's the assurance. Because, of course, in today's political world, we always follow the rules, right? Right. Nothing to see here, guys. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And yet these rules they claim... aren't actually rules. There are no rules here anywhere written down in the Constitution saying if you apply for one topic, it has to stick to that topic. There's nothing saying that the states actually even have the authority to limit the convention. In fact, there's a lot of legal historical precedent saying the opposite, that when states have tried to limit their delegates, courts have overturned it and said, no, you can't do that. These delegates are sovereign and independent. They are creating a federal constitution or changes to the constitution. That role is higher than the role of the states and the states can't limit it. That's been a court decisions over and over again, consistently for over two hundred years. So as we look into this, I'm going to attack. I love to do it this way. I'm going to attack Mark Levin. I don't know if any of anyone in your audience loves Mark Levin, but he is not being honest he's blatantly lying intentionally deceiving his audience on this topic just about I think it's about a year ago he was doing a show in which he's promoting this convention of states and how this is the only solution the only way we can get our nation back and and then I don't know if I can do a screen share let me see if that that will work here I'll take mine down and then you can see Yeah, anytime somebody says to me, oh, this is the only way, we can only do it this way, I'm usually done with them at that moment in time. Because that means end of discussion, my way or the highway. Yeah. And it's like, that's not how this is supposed to work. If it instigates more discussion, we're probably getting closer to the truth. Select window or screen. Let me see if I can do this here. If you do the window, do the window, and then choose your window that you want, and then that will give you the ability to share. There it is. Yeah, that works. Yeah, it's kind of cool, except for right now StreamYard is not being kind to me right now, but that's okay. We're going to keep going. Did it work? Oh, there we go. Yep. It looks like it worked. So this is actually two screenshots from Mark Levin's show about a year or so ago in which he's promoting the Article V Convention. And he then goes on to say Madison talked about this Article V Convention in letters to Edmund Randolph, Thomas Jefferson, Edmund Pendleton, George Lee Turberville, Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Philip Mazzei, George Eve, and Thomas Mann Randolph. And then he leaves it at that. basically implying to his audience, look at all these letters that Madison wrote about how important this article five convention is. He's so excited about it. Obviously Madison loved this idea of an article five convention, but he never said a single thing that Madison actually said about it. He never quoted any of these letters to any of these men about the article five convention. He just puts this out there and notice what it says at the top, what Madison really said about holding a second convention. And yet he never said what Madison really said about holding a second convention, an article five convention. And for good reason, because what Madison really said in these letters don't support his argument at all. For example, in his letters to George Turberville, he talks about having witnessed the difficulties and dangers experienced by the first convention, I should tremble for the result of a second convention meeting in the present temper of America. Does that sound like he's excited about having an Article V convention? Yeah, that sounds like a pretty stern warning right there. Yeah, and here's what was happening at the time. The U.S. Constitution had just been ratified. It was proposed in This enough States have now ratified the constitution. It was now declared the official us constitution is now the official adopted constitution for our country. And already there were States saying, well, there's this provision in it, in article five, where the States can call for an article five convention by applying to Congress. And they started doing so because they wanted a bill of rights. And they felt like maybe the best way to get the bill of rights added to the constitution would be using this article five convention. And Madison personally made sure that that did not happen. He wrote all of these letters in opposition to the Article V convention movement of his time, warning that it would be a very dangerous idea to propose the Bill of Rights through the convention mode. And he repeatedly talked about that the proposals through Congress would be the safer mode. It would be much safer to have Congress propose them. He felt like, as it says in the earlier part here, if we did have a convention triggered by the previous application of two-thirds of the state legislatures, there he's specifically saying the Article V Convention, for the avowed and sole purpose of revising the Constitution. We're not even sending them to rewrite it. We're just sending them to make some changes, some revisions, some amendments. They would naturally consider themselves as having a greater latitude than Congress. What's he saying there? The convention will feel like they have much more power to make massive sweeping changes to the Constitution than Congress would. And it would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views. We're going to get some bad guys in there that want to tear down the Constitution. In another letter, he says it this way. He wrote five or six letters to Jefferson on this topic. And this particular one, he says, the friends of the Constitution are fixed in opposition to the risk of another convention. Those who have opposed the Constitution are, on the other hand, zealous for a second convention. And it's equally certain there are others who urge a second convention with the insidious hope of subverting the Constitution just established, if not subverting the union itself. Does that sound like he's in favor of an Article V convention? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Again, how can you look at this and say Mark Levin is not absolutely intentionally lying to his audience, trying to deceive them into supporting an Article five convention? What Madison really said about an Article five convention. Destroys his argument. That's why he didn't actually say what Madison said. Because and put in proper context, again, the Constitution had just been adopted, hadn't really been used yet, hadn't gone into effect yet. And Madison in these letters says. Perhaps we should use the Constitution for a few years first before even considering an Article five convention, because let's see how it works for a little while before. before talking about making any massive sweeping changes to the Constitution. And I would say we're in the same situation now. Maybe we should try using the Constitution for a few years first before any proposals to make any changes to it. Because we're not using it at all right now. I mean, we're completely into a statutory law and they're creating law from the bench. We're so far away from what was intended. I think people would be really shocked if they really could get their arms around how far away from the original intent we are. Oh yes. Oh yes, absolutely. So I always like to ask this question. Would you support a convention if it were being promoted honestly? It's being promoted as a completely open convention where the delegates will have any and all authority to make any changes to the constitution they wish. And the convention would have the power to write their own rules for ratification. We can bypass the states entirely if we want to. We could write any ratification process we want. That kind of sounds like a bad plan. Well, yes. And... If that was how Mark Levin, Mark Meckler, Michael Ferris and others were promoting this convention, they would have no takers. There would not be much interest in it. We're going to open up the entire Constitution to changes. We might scrap the entire document, have a completely new one. And the convention will be able to say, you know, we're going to bypass the states entirely and put this out to a vote of the American people. Simple majority vote will ratify it. And of course, voter fraud isn't a real thing, right? So we don't need to worry about it being ratified by false pretenses. That wouldn't get any traction at all. And yet that is the historical precedent. As we look at seventeen eighty seven, the convention that happened there where the US Constitution was written, the delegates were sent as a limited power delegation. They were given very specific limits to what they could propose. And it was not you can propose an entirely new constitution. And yet they did so. And they were also given very specific rules for ratification, which they threw away and wrote a completely new process for ratification. In the Articles of Confederation, Article XIII says that any changes to the Articles of Confederation would need to be ratified by Congress and approved by every state legislature. And that never happened. Congress never ratified the new constitution and no state legislature ever voted whether or not to adopt the new constitution. They completely bypassed that. Because in Article VII of the US Constitution, it defines a different way of ratification. We're going to just ignore the one we were given and create a new one. So we were never properly federated at all, just like Canada wasn't. Well, no, I wouldn't say it wasn't properly done. It's just that, and here's the real issue. The rules they went in under, they discarded, and I feel that they did so legitimately. Okay. Because, and here's why. the power they were given from the states was limited and they discarded that power. They ignored the power they were given from the states. And instead they took on the, what they call the ultimate sovereign power of the people themselves to alter or abolish their government. That's Madison pointing that out in Federalist Forty, that we didn't act upon the power we were given by the states. We acted upon the power that's referred to in the Declaration of Independence, that when the people feel that their government is no longer serving them properly, the people have the right to alter or abolish their government. And so the convention in seventeen eighty seven said, we're not using this limited power the states gave us. We're going to appeal to the ultimate sovereign power of the people themselves to rewrite their entire form of government and for legitimacy of us doing this, we're going to turn the ratification process over to the people themselves. And if the people approve what we did, it is legitimate. And if they don't, then it's not. So that's why I say that when we federated under the U.S. Constitution, it was legitimate. It just wasn't done by the authority the convention was called under. It was done by the authority of the people themselves. And so if that was legitimate for them to do in delegations with limited powers from their states and say, you know what, we're going to ignore all these limits and we're going to instead exercise the ultimate sovereign power of the people. And then if the people ratify what we did, it's approved. Could that happen again today? If that was a legitimate power in seventeen eighty seven, it absolutely is still a legitimate power today. The people do have the right to abolish our government as we see fit. And if a convention today comes up with a completely different form of government and they put it out to the American people for ratification and the American people, whether legitimately or by fraud, ratify it, it would become a new constitution, a new form of government, and it would be legitimately passed. That is the precedent we have from. And that is the precedent that they will not address. I have had debate. engagement offers over and over and over again, and yet their side never wants to debate. I once cornered Mark Meckler about this and said, when will you man up and actually face me in public in a free open debate? And he says, that will never happen. And I responded, I know, because you know you will lose. At which point he just changed the topic. He wouldn't even continue on that thread. That is really funny, Robert. That is really funny. It's absolutely true, though. And that's the only time I've actually done a debate with Mark Meckler. It was in private. It was just in the halls of the state capital of Iowa. And a friend of mine was there videoing with their phones. There's a lot of background noise. It's not a very good video. But over and over again, as we're talking about different things, he'd bring up a point and I would counter it and slam him and just absolutely corner him on something. And then he changed the topic. For example, he accuses me, those of you who oppose the Article V Convention are siding with Soros and all these liberal organizations. And he says, there was a letter written by hundreds of liberal organizations. Every liberal organization in the country opposes this movement. And you're siding with all these liberals, trying to basically smear me as, well, you're obviously on the wrong side because you're siding with George Soros and all these liberal organizations. Because he claims, and literally he says this, every single leftist organization in the country signed this press release saying that they oppose the Article V Convention. So he makes that claim. And I said, first of all, that wasn't anywhere close to every liberal organization. It was a little over two hundred of the many thousands of liberal organizations out there. And yet I have another list here of over seven hundred liberal organizations that have endorsed having the Article V Convention. So if you've got a list of about two hundred and I have a list of about seven hundred, which one of us is more siding with liberals here? And his response was, well, name one that has endorsed our movement. Name one that has endorsed the Convention of States organization. I said, oh, you mean like the Nation magazine? Because they published this wonderful article back in December about four years ago in which they specifically named your organization and encouraged liberals to support your movement for an Article five convention. So yeah, I named one right there that has specifically endorsed your organization. And his answer was, well, let's change the topic and go into something else because he didn't want to talk about that anymore. And that happened over and over and over again in that hallway debate with Mark Meckler. And unfortunately, I feel like that further solidified the fact that he will never debate me in public because I just slammed him again and again and again. on issue after issue after issue. They love to, for a while, they put on their website under endorsements, they put Justice Antonin Scalia as if he had endorsed their organization, which he never did. And you open up that link and it goes back to a nineteen seventy nine interview with him and a few others in which at the time, Professor Scalia said that it might be worth the risk. He felt like it's it's in there. It's in the Constitution. I'd love to see this happen. And he he did support the idea of an of an Article five convention, what he called at the time a constitutional convention. So in nineteen seventy nine, Justice Scalia supported this idea for a constitutional convention under Article five. And yet in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen. And so and again, this is something Mark Meckler brought up. You're lying about Scalia. He endorsed this idea. Yeah. In nineteen seventy nine is Professor Scalia. But as Justice Scalia in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen, he said it would be a very dangerous idea. For example, one of me says I certainly wouldn't want a constitutional convention. Whoa. Who knows what would come out of that? Does that sound like he's endorsing a convention? And and so they always. Pretty much like you said, if their lips are moving, they're lying. Anytime they push anything that sounds at all compelling, it's a lie. Just know that, that they are lying every time they're making any strong case for their convention. Anything that's reassuring isn't true. And I'll take them point to point on any of these things they're claiming. But it really comes down to this. The historical precedent is a limited convention can throw off their limits. They can appeal to the power of the people to rewrite their entire form of government, just like they did last time. And as part of that, they can write their own rules for ratification. And nobody would be supporting that if they're promoting it that way, if they're promoting it with historical accuracy. Be honest about it, you know, because that's part of the manipulation that's going on here is they want to make everything feel so wonderful. And then all of a sudden we stop questioning things and go, yeah, that sounds reasonable. But the problem is, is that it's a lie. Yes. Yes. You got pictures here. Let's see. What's that? Yeah, I got you. Not presently. That's my Moab trip. Southern Utah. Oh, you know what? I was in Moab last year because I was there for the National Constitution Party. And I had a great time because we actually took off and went, you know, around through the mountains and such and ended up there. And I love Moab. It's beautiful. Oh, yeah. Yeah, beautiful area. It's right next to Arches National Park, which is just a stunning, stunning place. But I do want to get into it. I'm going to look for a slide here. Let's bring up that one. If I can share this one, let me see if I can get the share thing to work again here. That one? Oh, you got it. Yeah. Yeah. This is really good for people to go through and see actual information to support your claim. And every time you've spoken, the amount of knowledge you have is just absolutely amazing. Well, thank you. This is something I've been fighting for almost I've done a lot of very deep diving into all the different claims. And one of the things that's been really interesting along the way is every time I see their site come up with some obscure letter or something claiming to support their views, I go read the letter. You know what? That doesn't support you at all. That's actually another great one for my arsenal. Thank you. I'm going to stop my camera for just a minute, but keep talking, okay? I'm going to get a stretch. Go ahead. Keep going. I read it a few years ago. they brought up a letter that James Madison had written to George Eve in January of, and in there they're saying, see Madison changed his mind about the article five convention. At first he may have been resistant to it, but then he endorsed it later and thought it was a great idea. And, and they read this portion where it says in that letter that he's changed his mind, but it doesn't say what he changed his mind about. And they opened up the letter and it says he's changed his mind about the bill of rights. Initially he was opposing a bill of rights. but then got on board and is promoting a bill of rights in this letter and then he concludes the letter with saying just how dangerous it would be to have an article five convention propose it they didn't change his mind about the article five convention that very letter they're using to claim madison changed his mind about the article five convention clearly re reinforces his stand that he feels like congress would be the safer way to go that it could be the constitution could be totally rewritten at an article five convention The evidence they love to dig up never supports their claims. And one of their other prominent promoters, a man by the name of Robert Nadelson, he's a constitutional law professor. He has a habit of the top two sources he'll cite. Number one is he cites himself as the only expert in this field. The only person I can cite is my own writing. So he cites his own writings. But then number two, the most common that he cites is Supreme Court decisions without quoting them. He'll cite them, he'll mention, it says in this court decision back in this year, and then he gives some vague paraphrase of it. And if you read the court decision, it never says what he's claiming. It's almost always exactly the opposite of what he claims. And this is consistent for the way they're promoting this. That when they're out there making any kind of historical claim, I say always check their references because it's so consistent. that when you read the actual source that they're citing, it doesn't say what they're claiming. That's just almost without fail. The normal way in which they promote this is we're going to distort some little piece of history or some legal decision here or there and make people believe this is evidence supporting our views. How many people, if a law professor quotes a nineteen forty three Supreme Court decision, are going to go read forty pages of a Supreme Court opinion? Very, very, very, very few. Yeah, I'm one of those weird ones. I admit it. I'm kind of a Constitution nerd, and I love digging into this stuff. And so I go read those things. I actually put out an article a number of years ago that said, Nadelson, trust me, I'm the expert on Article V Convention, but please don't check my references. That was the title of the article. And it went through many examples of him doing this very thing. But putting this in today, we have the slide on the screen here. When you recognize that a convention has the power to completely change our form of government, you recognize if we have a convention called today with that kind of power, what would it actually look like? And going through a few questions. Number one, who chooses the delegates? Because I always say who chooses the delegates chooses the outcome. If I'm handpicking the delegates and I'm handpicking great constitutional limited government patriots like Donna Brandenburg, for example, I would feel like the outcome of that convention would probably be pretty good. If on the other hand, someone like Nancy Pelosi is handpicking her cronies, it's going to be a very different convention, a very different outcome. So whoever chooses the delegates chooses the outcome. And it's generally assumed that the state legislatures get to do that. The state legislatures historically are the ones that designate who the delegates will be to represent their state. So what kind of delegates would your state choose? send to represent your state at a convention to rewrite the Constitution. Currently, we're the communists. Yeah, really. In my state of Utah, I have no hope of them choosing limited government, constitutionally-minded delegates that are trying to rein in. It would be moderates and liberals in almost every conservative state has the same problem of, yeah, we have a conservative, but we have a Republican majority in the legislature, but we don't have a conservative majority in the legislature. And as such, they're not going to send conservatives to represent your state. Now, if we had a convention like this, do you think lobbyists would have any interest in the convention? Absolutely. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And This would be, in my mind, the biggest, most important lobbyist event in the history of lobbyists. If they're allowed a certain, I don't know, hundred thousand dollar a year bribe budget to try to influence state legislators. Do you think they might increase the budget a little bit for the convention? Absolutely. Yeah, a lot. This is like this is the big event. Yeah, that's the biggest moneymaker in history, probably, because when you look at how the political parties work today, think about even what we hear on the news. It's who raised how much money, and that's going to determine the election. They come right out and say it. Yeah, money determines the outcome. That's almost always true. And so the money determined the outcome of the convention. Very likely. And just to recognize how a few words put into the Constitution can make a massive difference. I saw a proposal a number of years ago for just adding five words to the Second Amendment, that the right of the people to keep and bear arms while serving in the military shall not be infringed. Does that make any big change to the Second Amendment, the right of the people to keep and bear arms while serving in the military shall not be infringed. You just took away the right of the people generally to keep and bear arms. It was only five words added to the Second Amendment. So little changes here and there can make a massive difference, can totally destroy our form of government with just a few little tweaks here and there. Now, here's an interesting question. Will the convention be live streamed or private? And I see problems with both. Now, the seventeen eighty seven convention was private. And because of that, nobody knew what happened in the seventeen eighty seven convention where a constitution was being formed. And the intent of that was to allow the delegates to take one position one day and upon new information, change their mind and go a different way and not feel pressure. Well, how dare you change your mind and things like that? They wanted to feel free to just do what they felt was best for the country. And it was so intentional that it was kept private that Madison, who took meticulous notes throughout the convention, refused to allow them to be released until fifty years later after he had passed. Wow. So we didn't really know what happened in the seventeen eighty seven convention till long after. Going back to if it was live stream, though, if this convention was live stream and it's on, it's on C-SPAN every night, We're able to see what the delegates are doing and so on. If I'm one of the delegates there and it's being broadcast across the entire country, and I am not going along with these Marxist proposals that are trying to inject into our constitution. Do you think there might be some political pressure put on me? Because everyone sees that I'm standing up against this movement to try to finally solve the gun problem or whatever else. Stare the narrative because somebody is going to jump on and stare, stare the narrative. Yes. And the delegates that are not going along with the predetermined outcome narrative of the globalists, do you think they might be threatened or even doxed? And just to put in context what doxing is, this is where you publish the private residence address of my home so that the angry mobs know where to show up with their torches and pitchforks to threaten and intimidate my family so I feel like my family is at risk, that they might be killed or kidnapped or whatever else. What a horrible way of manipulating people. But we saw that happen just a couple of years ago with two members of the U.S. Supreme Court. So I just put in today's political world that in our context today, this is politics in today's world. Going on to the next question, would groups like Antifa, BLM and other extreme organizations have any interest in the outcome of the convention? Absolutely. And do you think they would try to use their forms of manipulation and threatening and intimidation to try to influence this outcome. Of course they would. So do you think their protests would be peaceful or just mostly peaceful protests? It's hard to tell. It depends on how much pressure they want to exert, I suppose. And you know that because this is the future of our country at stake here, again, this is going to be a no-holds-barred, do everything they possibly can to try to get their favorite outcome. And that brings up the next question. If by just some random chance there happened to be a mass shooting around the time of the convention, do you think that that might be used to try to manipulate the outcome of the convention? Let's finally solve the gun problem. And of course, the media would do everything they can to try to manipulate public opinion around this. That if it saves even one child's life, it's worth it and so on. You know, all their different claims they love to make. This would be it. This would be the time to push that more than any other is we finally have the entire constitution on the table for revision. Let's get rid of these problems. And how many kids would they take out just to make an, just to make a point, you know, they're going to do whatever they need to do to get this pushed through. Now, you're suggesting that that might actually be a staged mass shooting. I'm just saying, you know, even if it happened naturally. Because they never do that, right? Oh, I know they do that. They do it across the globe. And you've got the CIA and all of these other, you know, subversion of intelligence organizations. If people don't come to terms with the fact that they're going out and absolutely removing people and setting up their own public governments in there, And if you think they're not, they're doing it across the world, but they're doing it in local areas too. They're doing it wherever they think they need to make a change. It's much bigger of a threat, I think, than what is normally identified. And again, this is the uncomfortable but political reality of our world today. And the last one on this list is, do you think Russia, China, or the United Nations would have any interest in the outcome of our convention? And do you think that they might also try to, in one way or another, influence the outcome? And I would really add to that list the deep state, the powers behind the scenes, whatever you want to call them. Do you think they would have any effort to manipulate the outcome of the convention? Absolutely. And again, as I began today, The Constitution is the solution. We, the people who want limited government, have no need to make any changes to the Constitution. Those who want a totalitarian globalist state need to get the Constitution out of their way. Who needs a change to the Constitution? We don't. They do. And so this Article V convention movement is absolutely playing into their hands. We see it based on all the lies that are surrounded by promoting it, but we also see that it is the opportunity for them to finally get the US Constitution out of their way. That has been the biggest obstacle in them implementing global socialism, is the US Constitution. The freedom we have is preventing it from happening. As much as I say we're really not following the Constitution, it still is there. protecting us. The reason I still own guns is because of the constitution. The reason we're able to have this public discussion freely is because of the constitution. It still is there protecting our rights far more than we may realize, and they need to get it out of the way. And so as the title of my constitution lecture series is the constitution is the solution, not changing the constitution, but enforcing the constitution, because when we, the people understand the constitution, we demand adherence to the constitution then it's followed I demonstrated this a number of years ago when I moved to montana for to work for the john birch society and they had hired me to do a very specific project the project was what we end up calling the power of five hundred where if we organize a few hundred people to understand and demand adherence to the constitution you can get your congressman to follow it And our Congressman in Montana at the time was following the constitution around half the time, around fifty-fifty. And within just a few months, he suddenly started following the constitution much more strictly because we've organized a few hundred people and started demanding it. And so it really can be done. The constitution can be enforced by a few people working in a coordinated effort. If you go on YouTube and look up the power of five hundred, I go into that in more detail. It's a program that John Birch Society founder Robert Welch first talked about. A few hundred people, he talked about five hundred, in any congressional district can have enough influence to get your congressman to start paying attention to the Constitution. And we did exactly that with Congressman Denny Reberg back in two thousand nine. We got him to start following the Constitution again. And he actually publicly thanked us for it. He referred to me as the leader of this group as his conscience. And it was great. It can be done. But it starts with we, the people. We need to learn the Constitution. We need to understand it. We need to demand it be followed. And I don't care if it's your guy in the White House or not. When he's following the Constitution, we thank them for it. When they're not following the Constitution, we hold them accountable for it. I mentioned the White House because lately there have been a few things coming out of the president's office that have not been constitutional. And as much as I like some of what he's doing, what he oversteps the constitutional bounds, I will call him out for it. We have to. We cannot be so dedicated to a particular politician that we ignore when they do wrong. We have to defend the principle, not the person, not the politician. I think part of the learning curve that we're on right now too, is that, you know, we can like people and be thankful for what they do, but it's also our duty to instruct when they're, when they're breaking the law or when they don't, and they may not know that they're doing it. So like when you say you support somebody, that means you have to come alongside of them and not just go, yay. I want to show up for the free coffee and cookies. Right. Because that seems to be the MO. I want to, show up for the free coffee and cookies and find out how much money you've got in your coffers. That's kind of like the antithesis of how this is supposed to run, but actually study it and find the instruction and say, you may not know this, but when I said I'd support you, this is part of supporting you is backing you and becoming part of your team so that you can operate within the law and that we can get things, We can pull things back together to defend the rights of we the people. And just so that everybody out there, it wasn't said today, but I know you know it, but the Constitution is to constrain the powers of government. It has nothing to do with our limits on our rights. It is their service contract to stop them from overstepping what they can do to turn into a tyrannical dictatorship and or a monarchy or any form of that that's tyrannical to overstep our rights and take us captive as their little slave class. And, you know, when you look back over time, Things don't really change. This has been the psychopaths usually raised to the top. And they want to subvert and silence good people who just want to live their lives and hang out with their families and do the right thing and worship God and silence it. They want to be worshiped. And it comes down to, honestly, everything that's the antithesis of what the Bible teaches us to be. We should be here as servants to each other. looking for ways to help others when they're in trouble and such, but not to profit off of it and to build ourselves our little fiefdoms. And that's what we've got right now. Yeah, absolutely. It is the natural inclination of government to try to grow and to gravitate towards totalitarian power. And honestly, in all the history of the world that we know of the U S constitution has been the best governing document for defining, keeping it within the bounds. But it cannot enforce itself. If you read Federalists' forty eight and forty nine, Madison talks about Federalist forty eight and forty nine, that the Constitution is a parchment barrier. It's just a piece of paper. It can't enforce itself. And as long as they're breaking through the Constitution, making more parchment barriers isn't going to do us any good. We need to go back to what it says. We need to be enforcing what it already says. Here, I got to bring this up because, you know, that sounds like a great conference. And OK, one of my favorite people in the whole world, General Flynn, is there. I am so thankful for him and what he's done for this nation, because if he and Admiral Rogers have... Matt Truella and Alex and Catherine, all of these people are just fabulous. And you know what? I wouldn't have expected anything less out of the John Birch Society. You guys do such a good job. It's just amazing. And, you know, you have people like General Flynn and Admiral Rogers. This country would already be gone if there hadn't been brave souls like them who have stepped forward and put everything, and I mean everything they had, on the line to right this nation. And just God bless Admiral Rogers and God bless General Flynn. And anybody that attacks them, that's your first pretty much good metric to figuring out who the subverts of this nation are. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So do you have any last words? Because usually I go to prayer at this time. Would you like to pray or would you like me to pray? And then we'll do last words. I think I prayed last time. We'll take turns. OK, that's fine. I love hearing you on your great. Your family is great. And, you know, it's like it's so nice to talk to people who are, you know, we're similar. We like our families and, you know, we just want to be good people and serve God on this earth. I mean, that's pretty much all there is to it. So, sure. I'll say it first. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so, so very much for Robert and the John Burt Society and all the people who are really trying to teach us the lawful order of things here. And your order, the natural order that you gave us right at the beginning was what we can base everything on. I mean, you gave us governance in the Bible and kings and judges. It's all there. And we thank you so much for giving us the guidance in how to live in peace on this land and as stewards of this land. You know, I hear people and they're afraid to lose what they have. And the reality is, is we've never owned it. It's always been yours. And so whatever you've given us to enjoy, we lay it at your feet knowing that that you're good all the time. You always care about us. You always do the right thing. We're not quite so bomb-proof in those areas, and we need you. We need your help, your guidance. We need your precious Savior and salvation that only comes from you through Him. And we thank you so much for guiding us, for walking with us, for being with us, for healing us, for providing for us, and for being that guidance, the light in the darkness here in this fog of war that we're in. Thank you so much for caring for us and never leaving or forsaking us. Thank you so much for all the people who stand unwavering for goodness and for all those spiritual things that you've given us, which are way more valuable than anything in the material world. We thank you for being such a good friend to us. And we want to be a friend to you. We want to be your best friends who are always willing to do whatever you ask us to do, knowing that you'll give us the feet to walk the path that's ahead of us, where we walk together with you, our precious Father and our Savior, as we walk through this life. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you for that. Oh, I love praying. I really do. If I could just shut everything out and just spend all day praying, that would probably be my best thing. That and, I don't know, digging in the dirt somewhere, right? So do you have any last words right now or do you want me to go to my twenty twenty two protest? I'm just going to echo what I've said once once once more, and that is look at the Constitution is the solution on YouTube. The Constitution is the solution. Start to learn the Constitution so you can better help defend it. That'd be the the main thing I want everyone to come away from the show learning. Let's get to know the Constitution. Let's defend it. We don't need to change it. We need to enforce it. Let's know the law. The Constitution is the law. And so that's where we need to become more familiar with these processes. And strangely, they took it all out of the schools and civics. So we end up being kind of like lost sheep trying to pick our way through the grass patches and not even know what's the good stuff and the bad stuff. And so go back to the shepherd, go back to the constitution and the law. And I think we're going to find our way out of this mess pretty quickly. Anyhow, we're going to go to my twenty twenty two protest. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Don't go to Brandenburg for governor dot com because I'm not a conceder who has ever not conceded in the history of the United States of America. And I would like to have a discussion with the rightful president of the United States, President Donald J. Trump wearing cowboy boots. I wear them every day. I'll wear better. Then we'll talk about real stuff. Right. And so with that said, everybody, have a great day today. You know what? God's given us this wonderful land. and all the things that he's given us to enjoy. Enjoy those things. Don't let anyone or anything take your joy away. And you know what? Be at peace because this battle is the Lord's. It always is. It always has been. He's walked us through things. If things get a little bit dicey, let's say, perhaps we need to change our path a little bit. And that's a good thing. He'll tell us when we need to change or when we need to maybe improve our behavior and all that sort of thing. Focus on God and you'll find the path very quickly and it'll be a really good path to be on. So with that said, God bless you all. God bless all those whom you love. God bless America. Go smile at people. Even give people a smile to brighten their day. Even when the path gets tough and the storms are tough, we're the calm in the storm. So let's go out and make this thing happen and we'll see you guys all tomorrow. Stay in the line a minute, Robert. And I'm going to end the broadcast.