Published March 15, 2024, 9:02 a.m.
9am Cognitive Carbon - Eric Tilton (Eric has the longest most interesting resume I've ever seen.) Eric is CognitiveCarbon and has written extensively with many posts in his substack. Much of his career and live stories have been covered in various posts in his substack...66 published essays, 46 still in draft. Major ones still to come involve the COVID "lab leak" of 2020. He has some unique perspectives on what happened and insights into where Assistive Intelligence (AI) is likely to go in the years ahead. Eric's work and research own findings about the IP address and theories that proved to be true helped as helped to convict Eugene Yu - Konnech. Eric grew up an Air Force kid until 9th grade. He lived in Ramstein AFB in Germany for six years. Moved to Indianapolis for dad's last assignment to start High School 85-89. Studied Electrical Engineering, Physics and Optics with emphasis on VLSI (chip design) at Rose Hulman (Ranked #1 in Us News' Engineering for 23rd Straight Year in a Row. Graduated Magna Cum Laude 89 with a BSEE. He has an estensive resume including working at TRW Space and Defense, Worked on a project for NASA through TRW 10am Jonathan Cagle Independent investigator into criminal activities within our government. He is banned from TwitterX for doxxing the corrupt GA election official threatening citizens with violence..but that was just a convenient excuse for them to run cover on the real operations. Over a span of two days, his team exposed the following: -Global child trafficking (ADI, Blackrock, Clinton Foundation, McCain Institute, Duke, FBI, CIA, Mossad, Goldman Sachs, etc.) -Stolen Arizona 2022 elections (Tal Hanan, DEMOMAN, IDF, CIA, Maracopa County, ERIC/Alpine Consulting Partners, UN, etc.) -Michael Crow, BEHAR family, InQTel, CIA, AND Mossad -Bioweapons research (NIH, GENENTECH, Seagen ELI LILLY, ASU, Duke, 23andMe, NIA, TERO, BMGF, ETC.) -HIAS 9Mayorkas, Shapiro, Pritzker, etc.) Reminder: Alpine Consulting was not only working with our ERIC voter registration data...they were also contracted with the CDC! X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1OdKrjegAdYKX Rumble: https://rumble.com/v4jec3l-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-3152024-cognativecarbon-eric-tilton-and-jonath.html https://rumble.com/v4jed3f-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-3152024-cognativecarbon-eric-tilton-and-jonath.html
Good morning. Welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg, and it's the 15th day of March 2024. Welcome to our show today. I don't know if anybody picked up on this, but I'm actually in a new little studio here, and we duplicated the background of my kitchen table, so I'm going to fess up to it, but it's still real news for real people at the kitchen table, by real people at the kitchen table. And I want to welcome everybody here. So this is kind of fun for me, actually. I think we're going to have a good time in here, at least for Donna Brandenburg, because I have a few less distractions than I had sitting in the middle of the house with people coming and going, people coming to the front door. They're on their own now. If they come into the house, I'm like out of pocket for them, which is funny. So I want to let you guys know that today, God has a sense of humor, okay? He brings people into our lives at times, when we need them in just incredible ways. And I got to say, I think I'm God's favorite because he brings me people who are really amazing and realizes that, you know, all of us are like a bunch of little kids trying to make it through life and I need a lot of help. So the two gentlemen that are on this morning are very special to me. And I'll tell you what, I kind of came from an Anon background. I was in the research groups for many, many years. I've written under a couple of different names and my Anon buddies for me are so dear and precious to me. I cannot even tell you. We worked for many, many years, just absolutely obsessively trying to figure out what was going on behind the scenes. We were given clues, but we weren't given outright information. And so I listened to a bunch of people out there calling us all Q-tards and all that sort of thing. And it's like, whatever, get over yourself. Because we literally look at everything not as something to worship or something to take everything we hear at face value, but to look at it as a clue to move forward and start asking questions, which is why I've always said question everything. And one of the, that right now I can tell you right now, Eric Tilton is going to come on next. And I've gotten to know Eric very well because he moved to Grand Rapids and I know him and his fiance. She's a absolutely delightful, wonderful person and also an Anon. And I love her and Eric and their daughter just, just incredibly. And I'm so thankful that God put them in our, you know, put us in each other's lives, put them in my life. And I want to let you know that there's so much to Eric and most of the anons that are out there that it's hard to comprehend. If you look at the resumes and what they've done in their lives, it's not only shocking, it's humbling to even sit in the same space that these people are. I mean, I feel like just completely humbled to be around them. So with that said, I'm going to bring on my first guest. And this is Cognitive Carbon, Eric Tilton. How are you doing, buddy? I'm doing great. I should say this is the first podcast or interview I've ever done. So you're number one. Oh, thank you. So thank you so much. And I gotta, I gotta, I'm going to introduce you a little bit. So, so Eric writes under a sub stack called cognitive carbon. But if you look at this background, I want everybody right now, I'm going to tell you, he's got the biggest resume and I've hired a lot of people. I looked a lot of things of anyone I've ever seen in my life. It is shocking. So you started out, um, in the, as an air force kid and, uh, I'm going to go through some of it here. I wrote some of it in the intro. But now I went back to the original source documents, and I don't quite have it all evened out here. But anyhow, you're an Air Force kid until ninth grade, lived in Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany for six years. So you come from a military family and a lot of people that have worked in high-level positions in intelligence and such. So Eric has got the inside scoop on how things work. He's got a unique perspective on how things work. on AI. He graduated magna cum laude from Rose-Hulman Institute, which is the number one engineering institute in the United States 23 years in a row, correct? Yeah, in undergraduate, so bachelor's and master's level courses. It's the number one for 23 straight years, or it was until 2021. Yeah. And so you you have worked in in the government for you worked in the government. Also, you had the ability to segue into from engineering because you had you had the military behind you and then you kind of moved to engineering. You gained some you gained all the education skills and such. And then you started working for a defense contractor. Is that correct? TRW Space Defense in Redondo Beach. And you've done some amazing things. And you were kind of like the, I take it as you were kind of like the Doogie Howser, the whiz kid that ended up working for some very high level people in AI and doing like a packet radio company. Uh, I can't even process all of this because I'm looking down the thing. I could read it all, but it is absolutely shocking. You worked for coyote. Are you going to, uh, talk about, let's see, we're talking to the weird guys down the hall who are working on in the days of AI SP. You were part of all of this. You had satellite black. You were part of satellite projects, black budget projects, and, uh, full color earth imagery. from Coyote Works that we see in our car navigation systems. And is that correct? Did I say that correctly? Yeah. I mean, we can jump in to that part of it and kind of go from there. So my first job out of college was TRW Space and Defense. And when I was growing up, you know, I was just like, I was fascinated by space and rockets and, you know, technology like that. And I watched Star Trek, you know, religiously as a kid. And so when I started looking for companies to work for, I looked at, you know, a variety of, of industries, but I was attracted to space, you know, I wanted to do something in that realm, at least I thought I did at the time. And I started doing some interviews and, you know, flew, flew to different places, I went to Texas for one interview, and I think it was February of 1989. I got an interview with this company in Schaumburg, Illinois. They were doing what they call packet radio systems. So they flew me out. They put me in a limousine and they put me in a fancy hotel and they did the whole nine yards. And it was super cold. I mean, it was probably... I don't know, 10 degrees outside the day I was flying up there. And I was in this little bitty unpressurized plane from Terre Haute, Indiana up to Chicago. And there was no heating in that plane. And I was just freezing my butt off. And it was an hour long flight. So I get off the plane and I come walking out into the airport and there's some guy with a sign up saying, you know, my last name Tilton. I'd never had that sort of treatment. So I thought, well, that's kind of cool. got put into a black stretch limo and, you know, went to this company and, um, so they did the interview and they, they really liked me and they made me a job offer just on the spot. And I, I said, you know, I have to, um, I have to wait. I like you guys too. This looks like a great opportunity, but I have another interview two weeks from now and I have to go to that one and then sort out, you know, which is the best for me. And, um, that company was Motorola and, division I was talking to was called the packet radio division and it became the genesis of the cell phone technology they were the first company to produce what we now recognize as cell phones so a couple weeks later I get on a plane again from terre haute and this time I'm headed to the west coast and it was bitterly cold in terre haute and I i get to los angeles it's 75 degrees it's sunny And I got there on a Saturday. So I had a couple of days before the interview. So I was in a rental car and I just, I went up and down the beach. I'd never been there. Went up to Hollywood and, you know, did all the touristy sorts of things. And I had my interview at TRW that next Monday. They made me a job offer too. And I'm like, okay, it's 75. There's, you know, babes in bikinis on the beach and there's volleyball and I mean, the choice was pretty easy. It's a space company. So I made a decision to go with TRW. I got assigned to a division called the Coyote Works, which was a research group. And at the time I was there, TRW was a huge conglomerate. It had 28,000 people or so. And it had an automotive division and it had a space division and it had a you know, defense division. They did chip design for secret projects. I was in a group that worked on a NASA project. It was a, you know, public sector kind of project. And I got put into a group with about, I don't know, 15 or 20 Caltech whiz kids. They were masters and PhD holders from Caltech. And I was one of the non Caltech people and I kind of always felt out of place there because they were all much smarter than I was. But we worked on satellite tech. I kind of doubt that really. They were really smart and it was a privilege to work there. I mean, I really love those guys and I had relationships with them probably for 15 years after that job. We worked on earth observing satellites. So what, what you see today, when you go, go, you know, use Google earth or use maps in your car and you see those full color satellite images back in 1989, there was no such thing. Um, if you were a, a research scientist, let's say, and you wanted to see a 10 square mile plot of land, you know, for agricultural studies, you could request those photographic plates. And it would take weeks and it would cost you thousands of dollars to get, you know, one of these images to work with, but there really wasn't an internet. Um, there was something there that functions sort of like the internet, but today's internet wasn't around. So the problem we were helping NASA solve was how do we get these full color images from the satellites into the hands of people who wanted to use them? And so we started building some, um, receiver technologies and what's, what's called downlink technology. to take those images, process them, put them on tape, you know, for retrieval, put them onto the internet, and then send to universities. And so for three years, that's, that's the project I was involved in was this Earth observing satellite project. And that was one of many things going on in that building. Down the hall from us were people working on black budget satellite projects and There was a lot of back and forth. They would pick the smart people from one group and then go assign them to some other work. Down the hall was also an AI group. And I used to go have lunch with those guys. And they were quirky. I mean, at the time, AI was sort of a, I think at the time they called it the winter of AI. It was struggling and not very advanced. But those guys were peculiar. Loved talking to them. I got exposed to that a long time ago. That was 1989. These technologies have been worked on since that time. That was TRW. The work that we were doing, one of the stories I tell about it is we built a memory system for this satellite project. It was a one gigabyte memory. Today, first of all, most people know what a gig is. And back then nobody did. If you said the word gigabyte and like company, people would look at you funny. Like what, what word did you just say? Right. And you had to explain what, what year was that? 1989. 89. I can tell you that a year or two after that, I bought an 80 megabyte hard drive Macintosh. And man, I thought a lot stuff with that 80, 80 mega hard drive then. And, uh, That was one of the biggest ones that you could buy at that time when I bought it. And people can laugh about it, but I actually spent about $11,000 on the computer, a laser printer, laser scanner, that sort of thing at the time. It was expensive for 80 megabytes. Think about that, everybody, how far we've come. A gig now is nothing. When you get into terrible things and such, it's crazy, but... Back in those days, a gigabyte memory was the size of a suitcase. It was huge. It was huge. It had a giant cooling system. It took a team of engineers 18 months to design, build it, test it, assemble it. I think my boss told me at the time it was like a million dollars in parts and labor to create that. And it was a prototype. I mean, its sole purpose was to facilitate the satellite system. But it was the first of its kind. It was the first what's called an eight-way, eight-ported memory, which means there could be eight things talking to the memory at the same time. So an eight-way, one-gigabyte memory for a million bucks. And now you can get a gigabyte the size of your fingernail. Everybody's walking around with cell phones that have 128 or 256 gigs, and we don't even think about it anymore. Well, and I think, I don't know if you want to go into this further or if you want to start going into the things on, say the things you've written in your sub stack, such as the leaks, the COVID leaks, the Wuhan leaks, that sort of thing, as well as some of the AI stuff that's going on. And I, so I kind of wanted to go there first, honestly, to let everybody out there know, this is a smart guy. He's connected. He's done a lot of stuff. And he's also one of the guys whose independent research led to the conviction of Eugene Yu and Connick. Yeah. So it's super sleuth here. I was, um, I was an anon of sorts since the beginning of the Q thing in 2017. I came across that within weeks of when it came out, and I instantly kind of knew what it was and what the likely background of it was and why it was targeting the people it was targeting, why it appeared on the boards where it did. It made sense to me. I knew exactly what the intention was. So I got, you know, connected to several people during that time. I had a Twitter handle different than Cognitive Carbon. I had a Twitter handle with my company, ET at MJT Tech. And I got to know Brian Cates, among others, pretty well. And... I love Brian. He's such a great guy. Smart, wonderful man. He's... We like to say we like his fiery side when he gets fired up about topics. We like the fiery Cates. So I used to chat with him almost every day in a little group of people. And he told me that he was going to go to this cyber summit in Sioux City in 2021. And I have a pretty extensive background in networking, among other things. And I've done a lot of packet capture projects. work with all the different platforms that people know about packet capture. They know there's like four or five tools that are pretty popular. I've used them all. And so, you know, as we were talking about this event and what what Lindell City had, I thought, well, I could teach Brian the basics. So he has some some fundamental understanding of what's going on. And, you know, if they have what they say they have, what does it look like? How do I know it's real? What question should I ask to validate it? So I spent about three months kind of coaching him and telling him, okay, this is how it works. This is what's likely. This is what's plausible. This is what's not plausible. And so when he went to the event, he was armed with a basic technical understanding of what was going on. And then that kind of freed him up to pay attention to the people, which is his skill is like looking at the people and the players and listening to the conversations and trying to piece together what was all what it was all about but that's that's how that began um that led to me going to the pit in august of 2022 in arizona with a bunch of other anons I kind of got to know greg phillips before that on true social I was one of the you know first hundred people on true social when it came out um the anons kind of had an in that time to you know get our account set up and so I was one of the early people on the platform and I had written a tweet thread um back in december of 21 about seth rich and the reason I did it is I i came across a new york times article and I was talking about geolocation data and they were making a big deal about this data set that somebody had given them and they didn't say who it was I don't think they knew who it was but It had cell phone ping data in it from somewhere. And it covered the New York City area. It covered Washington, D.C. It covered Mar-a-Lago. And so they were trying to use it to smear Trump. Look at all this stuff we have, and we can see these important people. And look, here's this set of pings from Fifth Avenue. And so they were trying to dirty up Trump with this data set. They didn't have anything in that regard, but they thought they did. So I read their article and I was kind of looking at the dates involved in the places. And I thought, wait a minute, you guys have cell phone data or what they claimed was like a million cell phones. And it covered Washington, DC in a particular time period of interest. And so I looked at the dates and I overlaid this map and I said, you know what, you guys have a data set that covers where Seth rich was murdered in Washington, DC during that summer of 2016. And so I tweeted about that. I said, you know, they might be sitting on proof who was nearby or who knew what, you know, because they presumably had cell phone pings from that area. At least they could see who was near, right? They might've even been able to track who was directly next to Seth Rich at that time and place. So I wrote about that and put it on, threw it on Twitter. And then when my account got, nuked in January of 2021. I put it on Substack later on and then it got the attention of Greg Phillips because he saw that I post about that and we kind of got into a conversation. 2000 Mules obviously is about geolocation data of cell phones. And so we kind of had this common interest and discussion thread and we started talking offline and that also connected me to the pit. Um, so the purpose for the pit was that true to vote, uh, Catherine Engelbrecht, who I had a friend, uh, another friend on Twitter who was good, good friends with Catherine. Um, the purpose was that they, uh, they came across a probe of data, um, and they got entangled with the FBI because they had this data and they were soliciting help from Anons both to analyze what was in the data, but also to, um, you know, provide a, a bulwark against, you know, these accusations that they were somehow doing something nefarious with this data. So the FBI started going after him. They started going after Greg and Catherine and all, all they were trying to do basically was present this data to the FBI and say, look, you know, this, this is a problem. Um, the data set that they found, um, not Greg and Catherine personally, but the people that we're working with. And they found data from 1.8 million U.S. poll workers that had been collected from some kind of software platform. At the time, they weren't sure where. And it was on a server in China. So what came to be known about this is that the company who had collected that data, poll workers, was Conic. and the data that they had collected, and this was discovered by lots of people. I'm not the only one that was working on this. There were dozens of anons who all found various pieces of this, but the data was being collected by a system called Poll Chief, and it was a platform developed by Connick, and its purpose was to track employee data for poll workers. They got paid, so you have to collect typical thing name address phone number and where do we mail the check you know all those sorts of details for tax forms so that data and other data was stored on these servers and for some reason it wound up in china and we were trying to figure out why for some reason I like that so um we came to learn that that eugene u's company was based in grand rapids and You know, back in 21, I didn't even know where Grand Rapids was, honestly. Um, I had to do some, you know, some learning, oh, there's this state called Michigan that's on the middle of the country. And at the time I was in California, you know, the wrong side. This man, there you go. I forgot the, the UP here. Let me get the UP in there too. There. I was on the, what they call the left coast, right? The blue coast. Um, in central California, where I was living at the time, it was Republican in that part of the state is strongly red, but the fringes out on the beach side or where all the elites are is definitely blue. So anyway, I was living in California, had to kind of come up to speed on where is Grand Rapids and why would Eugene U be there? And I found out he had some connection to one of the universities and there was some connection to Lansing too anyway. Michigan State. Michigan State. So it turned out that the IP address for this pole chief system was in multiple states because they were using it, you know, in multiple states. And the IP address that mapped to Grand Rapids was changed for a while to an IP address in China. And that was kind of the puzzle. Like, what's going on here? Why? Why would the IP address for the pole chief software for Michigan be temporarily in China for any length of time. And what I deduced, you know, and this, I wrote an article in Substack, which you can, you can go find. I was looking for, did you, did you send me the link on that? Or is that? I sent you that link. It's on my Substack. If you look for MongoDB, that's, that's the name of the article. There you go. I got it. I, I, I had experience with that server, that MongoDB software. I'd used it before. I knew why it was interesting. And so I started, you know, thinking about it, digging into it a little bit. And what I realized was that the most likely scenario is somebody was doing software development and it was convenient to put the data into that. It's called a NoSQL database. It was convenient to use that for a while. and I would have done that you know when I was um running some startup companies I was doing software development I would have used mongodb because it's convenient and easy and has certain advantages so um it seems that what they did was they used mongodb and they were doing software development in china and then the question is why why would they be doing this work in china well I did my own what's called geolocation research to find out where is this IP. And some people have thought it was in Wuhan. And there was some reason to believe that was true. But I found records showing it was in Hangzhou, which is another big city on the east coast of China. I didn't really know much about China myself until 2018. And there's a whole other story about that. But I was actually in China in 2018 for 10 days. I was attending a conference in Wuhan, of all places. And the guy who sponsored our company, we were doing commercial insect farming for an almond puller and sheller in California. He took two of us and himself to this conference, paid for our travel, and we went to the conference in Wuhan. And he had some business with some dairy farmers in Hangzhou. He was trying to sell his almond hull product, which is a pretty good cattle feed. And so he had a market, you know, for that material there. So he took a couple of days. We got on a train. We went to Hangzhou and we met our, you know, the people that were hosting us there. They took us to Zhejiang University because that was sort of a big thing there. I had no idea that there was such a university or, you know, Turns out it was like a 100-year-old, had an ag school, and the almond farmer that we were working with knew something about that university. And so we went to Zhejiang University in 2018. And so with that background, and it was just coincidence, I never thought I would ever go to China, and yet I did. And I never thought I would be anywhere near a place of interest, and yet I was. And when I saw that pin on the geolocation map for the IP address, I thought, wait a minute, I've been there. That's Zhejiang University. And then pieces kind of fell into place. I realized that Eugene Yu had gone to Zhejiang for his undergraduate degree. And he probably had friends in computer science. And he probably thought, well, I can get this work done cheaply by using these college students to help do whatever they were doing. So they set up some kind of consulting or contract thing where they were doing code development in China on this poll chief software. That was my guess, right? Turns out after the trial and all the evidence came out, that was the correct guess. That was what was happening. So they had this data on a server. They shouldn't have had it on the server in China, but they did. And they had people who didn't know what they were doing or did know what they were doing. and they left it in an unsecured state, big mistake. People like me who knew how to secure IT systems instantly saw that and we said, whoa, wait a minute. They didn't do anything to secure it, the basic stuff. People will make a counterpoint to say, well, MongoDB has a default password. Sure it does, it's password, right? Anybody knows that. And so they left it pretty much open and that data, because it was accessible on the internet in China, because the Chinese law was the property of the CCP, anything that's on their internet or touches their internet belongs to them. All the companies, I mean, everything they claim ownership of everything in China. And, uh, I'm, I'm a little more cynical than you are on this because I think they knew exactly what they were doing because, you know, all you have to do is look at all the connections with Biden. with Hunter, with, you know, with so many people in the high levels of our government to look at that and say, these people are all in bed together. Yeah, it was, it's quite plausible that one of the people working on that team is at ZJ university purposefully did that knowing where the laws are in China, knowing, you know, if we minimally secure this thing, then we can exfiltrate the data and then use it. Or maybe it was told to do it. You know, because, you know, I've seen, I've seen, uh, uh, testimony from doctors who actually were told to remove a kidney from somebody and they were taken there and the CCP told them what to do. And he heard the gunshot go off and, uh, it was, was, uh, coerced into removing the organs while the person was still halfway alive. And so we're, we're talking. high level criminal behavior happening in the highest levels of the governments across the globe. We're not talking, we have no quarrel with the Chinese people, but it's the governments that are working together. I heard something recently. I think I have to, I have to say, I have to give it some credibility or think about it that actually Kissinger was behind setting up the CCP or one of the guys. What's that? It's very plausible. I think so too. And then I hate to say it, but come into Grand Rapids and go to the Ford museum and look at their little tribute to Henry Kissinger, who was really behind what was going on with Ford, Nixon, and some of the other people. I mean, there's, there's, and then, then track back Kissinger's history and you're going to find some really dark, horrible things that we're going to have to face as a nation. Yeah. So, I mean, I agree. When I, When I traveled there, I spent six or seven days in Wuhan and three or four days in Hangzhou. And we met dairy farmers. We met people who were working on feed additives for cattle. And one of those guys, he was our host, when we were driving to the place we were going to go meet. I'm not going to say this guy's name because I don't want to get him in trouble, but he said, I like Trump. There are people in China who they're as disgusted with the regime, the CCP, just as much as we are with the Biden regime, which one can argue is an option to the CCP. One of the same, one and the same, I think. It's like they're all working together. but there are normal average people there that, you know, want nothing to do with that either. And so you have to separate, you know, the average folk from the regime and the regime is oppressive. You know, I don't think, I don't think I'll ever go there again. I'm sure I'm on a list now because of what I've written that, you know, they would grab me, you know, seize my passport if I went back there. And bye bye Eric, you're gone forever. But it was an experience, you know, I've, I've been to lots of places and done so many things. And, you know, I mentioned to you earlier, it seems like I've lived through multiple lifetimes and it's literally true. You know, I never thought I would go to China. I did. I got to experience some of the good things about it and I got to see some of the bad things about it. And interestingly enough, that experience in 2018, not only kind of prepped me for this thing with, with the pit, you know, and, and Eugene Yu and, You know, I'm proud to have helped in a very small way. There were lots of people working on that. But I'm proud to have helped in some small way to get him arrested and get him, you know, prosecuted. You know, what happened since that time, I'm dissatisfied with. You know, Greg Phillips and Catherine went to jail to protect the source. And, you know, that thing is still not resolved. But I was proud to be part of that. You know, that was a meaningful process. meaningful thing to have done. And if, if my analysis and writing helped the legal team a little bit, then that out of that, you know, but that experience, that experience in China, besides helping me with that also prepped me for what happened in 2020. Um, I was instantly aware, um, from February of 2020 onward, what was really going on. Um, uh this lab leak you know which was dismissed initially and now is accepted I knew for a fact that that's what happened um I knew for a fact that this wet food Market the seafood Market was cover story I actually would you know went by that Wuhan Institute of virology completely unknowing what what it was or why it was there but you know um So kind of what captured my attention, and I wrote other articles about this on my Substack, and I was a contributor to an article written by Tracy Beans in 2020 about CDC data, which I'll talk about in just a little bit. I love Tracy Beans. I think she has done so much for this nation, and she's really had some tough hits her and her family have with the fire and that sort of thing, but I love Tracy. She's another very reliable source that everybody can listen to, in my opinion. Yeah. She was one of the people I was in this group with, with Brian Cates. And she pinged me in early 2020. And she says, you know, I know you're a data number crunching kind of guy. And she says, you know, don't give me a hard time about this, but I need you to go to the CDC website and see if you can find something. And I was kind of a little bit flippant at first. And she was sort of offended that I didn't take it as seriously as she wanted me to. And I said, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way. I'm a nerd. I said, of course I'm going to go do that. So just give me a couple of days. I'll go to the website. I'll go download the data. And I'll do the analysis that you want. And if I find something, I'll share it with you right away. So I did. I went to a part that had this... It was called the ILI dataset, so influenza-like illness. And what its purpose was to track flu-like and pneumonia-like symptoms as they occurred annually in the United States. So when there were flu outbreaks, the doctors would input data into the system and they would try to figure out, is it a flu type that we knew about? Was it influenza A or B or what have you? know did people get pneumonia was it related to the flu was it unknown so the purpose of this thing was kind of to spot unknown outbreaks of what they call influenza-like illness things that look like flu but weren't known right that was what this database was supposed to be so I went I grabbed five years worth of data for all 50 states and I started looking at the patterns I wanted to see what it looked like you know five years ago and three years before 2020, and that sort of thing. And lo and behold, I found a signal. I found incidences of unknown influenza-like illness being reported in November of 2019 across the United States in certain interesting places. And Tracy already had an intuition that that was going to be found, and it was. Their intuition was that we should look at New Orleans, and there was a signal there. I found some interesting signals in Washington State, Oregon, Washington, Maryland, New York City, obviously. And so I started putting together a little pattern, and what I discovered was that there appeared to be, in November of 2019, an unknown flu-like illness that showed up in the area around... Tacoma Washington international airport. And there were stories then already circulating about the, um, uh, you know, the, uh, old folks homes in Washington state, how they had an outbreak of COVID and a lot of people died. Right. So that started to make the news that there were these clusters of, of, you know, what became to came to be known COVID popping up in these nursing homes. So it really, you really started seeing it out in Washington. First Washington state, right? Well, then starts making you think that it's all coordinated because that's exactly what Whitmer did with her third party murder scheme here in the state of Michigan is to import that into the nursing homes. So that, that started happening nationwide, right? These, these nursing homes were hit really hard. And the question is, you know, why and how, and all those sorts of things at the time we didn't know. Um, but I, I was aware of that and I said, wait a minute, there's something unique. about Washington State, in particular Seattle and Maryland. And what's unique is there are two airports there. One of them is the Seattle-Tacoma-Washington Airport, and the other one is Baltimore-Washington International, VWI. Why are those airports interesting? Because the military uses those airports for charter flights to Asia and to Europe. So if you're a military person and you're traveling either with your family or know on military business you might catch catch a charter plane out of baltimore going to heathrow in england or frankfurt in germany or you know those places or if you're headed to asia you might take a charter plane out of tacoma washington to um you know destinations in asia so that was interesting and then the piece finally fell into place And I didn't know this until somebody drew my attention to it. In 2019, in October, in China, there was a military Olympics type event called the Wuhan Military Games. Soldiers from 102 nations across the globe went to Wuhan, China to participate in this Olympics competition. October of 2019 in Wuhan. Wow. And where did they go after that in November of 2019? They went back home through Washington-Tacoma International Airport and then to BWI, Baltimore Washington International, back to their bases in Europe, back to Heathrow in England. And they were the vector. They were carrying whatever this thing was for Wuhan in November of 2019. back to the US and back to England. What did we see besides the United States? We saw outbreaks of unexplained flu-like illness in England. Where? Around Heathrow. There were news articles about this weird flu that people were coming down with and it was really hitting people hard and nobody knew what it was. It wasn't a known type, right? November of 2019 in Heathrow. So to me, those were the, that tells right that that something was carried back to the United States and it originated in Wuhan. And that was the beginning of the research for me. I went really deep after that. You know, having spotted the signal, there were some other anomalies which there is a Substack post. I talk about one of my theories. There was something interesting about Florida There was no data in that database for Florida for five years. Did you send me a link on that one? What's that? Did you send me a link on that one? I didn't. I don't remember the title of that one, but this part of it is tucked to the end of the article. I think it has to do with surveillance state. The title is something about the surveillance state. keep going I'll I'm just gonna I'm running like four screens so I'm going back and forth a little bit to make sure that if there's something needs to be shown I can put it up there I have a follow-up article for substack that I'm still working on it will go deeper into this whole theory I have about what this might be but I did write about it in um in brief in that article about the surveillance state but um sometime in the middle of 2020 someone with knowledge, posted links to articles on Reddit. And some of you may know what Reddit is. It's a message board place. It's mostly a sewer pit. You know, there's a lot of garbage that goes on there. But once in a while, there are needles buried in haystacks. It's like the chans. It's like 4chan, 8chan, 8kun. You know, you can go in there and It's like a squid with unending tentacles going in every different direction. And you're going to see anything and everything on there because it's no censorship. So you have to be prepared when you enter those realms to be prepared. You're not going into a church. Let's just put it that way. But there's so much good information you can find. Yeah, Reddit of 2020 is much different than Reddit 2024. It is now a censorship place, just like all the other platforms. So I doubt information like this would be as easy to find now as it was back then. But anyway, somebody posted a link. And you can treat all these posts with skepticism. But when they give you source information, look at the source, right? I didn't want to hear what somebody had to say about this thing. I wanted to go see the thing. And what they posted were two links. One was to GenBank, which is a database of DNA sequences. Now, why is that interesting to me? I was part of the Human Genome Sequencing Project in 2000, 1999. I worked on a supercomputer that was used to sequence the first human genome. I was immersed in GenBank. I knew all about that field, right? I knew what it was for. So that caught my interest. What this article was about was the sequence of a coronavirus that was published in some experiments that were done. And the experiment was back in, I believe, 2007. And what they were doing was purposefully modifying a coronavirus variant to make it more infective for human lung tissue. They were trying to find why it wasn't good at infecting lung tissue and it had to do with something called an ace2 receptor and this paper was studying you know what changes could be made to this coronavirus to make it more effective at attaching to human lung tissue 2007 and the title was chimeric viruses so they took viruses from two different you know organisms and patched them together to make something that had a property that they wanted what They were experimenting on coronaviruses in 2007 to make them more infective. There's your gain of function right there. That's exactly what it was. I didn't know that at the time, but that's exactly what it was. And those were the people, right? So early 2020, somebody already knew about that. And they chose Reddit as the platform to start spreading this information, right? And there's another one of those unsung heroes that went ahead and put something out there that we'll probably never know who it is. And there's, there's a lot of good people working behind the scenes. They don't want credit. You know, they just put their, put their heads down and they just work as, as Americans and every single one of us should be doing this. Yep, exactly. So the other links took me in other directions. One of them took me to an article that, I think it was written in the Epoch Times about China's military strategy. And one of the kind of excerpts that I saw and I was writing about and tweeting about this was that, I think it was, you know, Mao Zedong, who, you know, he was the head of the CCP at the time. They realized that they couldn't defeat the United States through conventional methods. They weren't going to build aircraft carriers and tanks and, standing armies quickly enough and of sufficient size to you know to win that way they had to win through other ways and one of the methods that they mentioned in their own writings the ccp's own writings is biological warfare right they discussed using that as a method to defeat their enemies so here you have a source document from the ccp saying this is a method we could use and then you find evidence that they were doing this work at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Now, I think it was a, what do you call it, a dual use lab, right? There was a public facing side of it that appeared to be doing public sector research on viruses, but there was also the guys in the back of the lab in the other part of the building who were CCP, who were Red Army, who were taking that knowledge and what was discovered and exploiting it for other purposes. That's what I think happened in Wuhan. And I think the evidence now shows that. And I credit people like Dr. David Martin, who is much more knowledgeable about all of this than I can ever hope to be. If you really want to find learn about the details, look at his work, and he's putting out some videos. Now I saw trailers for part one and part two. That's the guy who has the information. He's testified before the committees in Europe. He's the expert, and he sees the signal too. He knows that there was a biowarfare angle to this that explains all of this. And I think that that's something that is people realize that this was designed to kill human beings and it is part of warfare. You know, we're, we're worried about, you know, the nukes flying and this, that, and the other thing, there's a lot more effective way to kill people than dropping a new kind of country that, that, you know, that we may not know of. And I, I'm just going to put this out here because I'm kind of like you, I don't believe anything I hear it from, from main fake stream media. And even some of the influencers that are out there, I don't believe anything at face value. We had an explosion in Michigan about a week and a half ago over on the east side of the state. And I was looking at the pictures there and different people are saying, well, you know, documents in the court cases were blown up having to do with Stephanie Lambert there and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like going, I don't know, look at it for face value because I don't know, you and I haven't talked about this, but I started looking at the canisters and such that were there in the photos. And I'm like, I think they blew up something that was way bigger than court case documents. And I would wager to say that it's my guess on this. We'll see if I'm right, but they blew up a lab for aerosolizing fentanyl. That's my guess right there. We've got bio labs. We've got weapons. We've got biological warfare weapons and chemical weapons all over this planet. And they're in the United States, people. Putin was blowing them up on his border there in Ukraine. I'm glad he blew them up. He had the guts to blow them up and get rid of them because they were using this against the entire world. Well, I'm going to, if I'm the first one to actually come right out and say, we've got them everywhere and they're in the United States that, you know, when I got aware of it was with the K cars, the K club cars, which are the containers that they were, that they were shipping all over the United States. And people are like, why didn't president Trump do anything? Well, newsflash, everyone, we had those Club K cars all over the United States, biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. They were dirty bombs on it. We didn't know where they all were. What you gonna do with that? When you've got somebody that's telling you that they're gonna unleash hell itself on the United States, if he did, he did. So there had to be some very carefully strategic plans to take this down. Well, let me, let me segue, because I know you only got five minutes left, but let me segue into another experience in my own life, right? The next guest isn't on yet. So until he shows up, it's you and I. So from 2020 until 2023, when I was still living in California, for a variety of reasons, I went through some difficult personal times and some business failures. I wound up working for a company in Reedley, California, and it was an irrigation company. It designed systems for large farms, for nectarines and plums and orchards and all that. So I was the CAD designer. I was the math guy that figured out how to design these irrigation systems. So I spent three years working kind of alone in this little office in a little town nobody ever heard of called Reedley, California. It's near Fresno. Really love those guys that I worked with. I mean, I will remember them forever. Super hardworking. But unbeknownst to me, just up the street from this little office was a building that was kind of derelict, and it was situated right next to some fruit packing plants. was also next to a central office in Central Kitchen for a school district. And we came to learn last year that in Reedley, California, there was a bio lab run by Chinese National, and they found vials, some that had labels on that said Ebola. They had mice that were being used to experiments on that had coronavirus. The surface story was that they were developing tests for coronavirus and that that's what was going on in this facility, but it was unlicensed. It was unknown that it was there. And that lab, right, should have been investigated and the CDC quietly closed the books and did nothing about it. I worked next to that facility. I could have walked there for three years. I was that close to that facility. I had a coworker in 2021 who died. And it was a combination of things. He got COVID, but he also got the shot while he was sick. And it used to be that people knew you don't give vaccines. And I don't use that word. coronavirus I use injectable because it wasn't the vaccine in any traditional sense you don't give those shots to people who are presenting symptoms right that was well understood for decades and yet this old man he was very healthy he was 70 he was a hard worker he got sick he was recovering somebody told him to go get the shot he and his wife went and they got their um their coveted shots within two weeks he was dead And I can't help but think that the reason he got sick, you know, he got a pretty harsh version of this was because of that lab just up the street. Because those people, the people who work near there, the fruit pickers and packers, right, they mingled throughout that entire area. You know, their kids went to schools there and they had spouses. Whatever was leaked from that lab in Reedley was carried far and wide in central California. i think that was the purpose right that was the strategic purpose from the ccp was cause an outbreak a serious disease outbreak in the farming the farming center of our country 64 of the country's produce has grown in the central valley of california you want to attack some some place that's the place attack the food source attack the food chain yeah I think that's what they're Yeah, and look at how they've bought up the farmlands. And then, you know, I've got a couple other observations that I haven't said out loud before on screen. But I think all of these, the food processing plants that have caught fire, I have this horrible feeling that there was a lot more going on there. And instead of being a bad thing, it might have actually been a good thing to save us from something because I really think that the good guys are in control. and that they were probably, you know, messing with the genetics, messing with stuff that our food itself would be poisoning us. And not only that, wake people up to say, you've got to produce your own food. It's not safe to have another supplier that is, you know, producing it. You need to start farming. We need to go to food sovereignty. We need to pretty much prosecute all of these stupid developers, which are the enemies of the state here, which are wrecking our farmlands. and actually putting us all in 15 minute cities. That's what developers are doing right now. They're destroying the ability for us to feed our own people. And when you see the fires and the amount of chickens that were destroyed, you can only go two ways with it. Is it somebody that's actually destroying the food supply or are the good guys destroying what was really set there to kill us? Which brings me to the explosion in Michigan. I have a feeling that this was the good guys that were taking out a clear and present threat. I don't know that. I can't prove it. But when I looked at the photographs, there was enough reason to start asking some questions there. What did they blow up? That wasn't a vaping. That didn't look like vaping paraphernalia to me. And I don't know that. But I've never been in a production plant. but this seemed to be a lot more, there's conflict there in the story and what you see in the pictures. I think one of the lessons that many of us came away from from 2017 onward is be skeptical of everything. Don't take things at face value, dig deeper. People are doing their own research, but you have to. You cannot trust the conventional voices out there that are telling you narratives that are either false or cover up something. Right. Um, very critical that we do that. And, um, um, there's, there's lots more on that sort of general topic on my sub stack. Um, if you haven't seen the piece I wrote about Alfred Toronto's, please do. Um, I want to honor him. Um, but, uh, yeah, there's, um, I've become a proponent of decentralization for any number of reasons. I'm interested in it from a currency standpoint. I'm a proponent of Bitcoin and those sorts of things. And I know there's lots of sides to that story, but the key thing is it decentralizes banking. It decentralizes money creation. We need to decentralize energy production and we need to decentralize food production and go back to the small farms and need to get rid of the grid one of the biggest things I talk about is let's get rid of the electric grid we don't need the grid right we should be able to be self-sufficient in terms of energy production and there are things happening that will lead us in that direction but to survive as a country and as a species we have to decentralize we cannot let these choke points continue and that's what they are they're choke points And we've seen how they can be exploited against us since 2020. Right. Yes. They use that feature and it didn't work, but they tried. So, yeah, it's it's it's really disturbing. And then when you look at the green energy nonsense in the EV industry where, you know, like Granholm made one point six million dollars off a stock trade. Their insider trading like crazy and self-enrichment is going on in ways that this country has never seen. And it's because they've got those choke points on us. And one thing that I'm very interested in is the power grid that they have put together. Well, if it crashes, I'm going to tell you what, I've been praying that this thing will crash. The power grid, the communications grid, everything to get things back under control, it needs to happen. because this country has never restarted our power grid from a black start. We have the entire country dependent on their beast system, which I think is biblical. It really is. You know, people are like, oh, wait till we get to the beast system. Honey, we're there. We're already there. We are part of the beast system right now. And I believe that things could get much worse, you know, for sure. But, and I think it's going to, but everyone is so dependent on this beast system, being fed by the beast, being powered by the beast communication. We work by the beast. We've been choked off with our skill sets by the beast system. We need to have the courage to face this and say, not today, Satan, we are not going to do this anymore. And, and God that, If this thing goes down, it's going to be the best thing that ever happened to this nation in this world, because it's not going to hurt us as bad as it's going to hurt them. And people are resilient. We will find ways to put our heads together and figure out a way out of this. And I was, I'm part of a group that has done some I'm loosely affiliated with this group who has done some planning on what happens. And one of the people said to me, they're like, they're like, yeah, we were talking about the, the, the grid going down and they're like, I, you know, and I'm like, well, that's an easy problem to solve. We've got mobile generators all over this nation and I'm not going to put it out there what it is publicly, because then that's what these, these bastards are going to go after. And he looked at me and he said, we never thought of that. And I'm like, There's all kinds of answers around us. If you're not thinking the traditional way, we don't have to be afraid. And you know what? God can make the desert bloom. Don't worry about it. There's no problem here. If we turn our nation back to God Almighty, I can tell you what's going to happen. He's going to step in. It's his battle. It's his glory. Instead of us focusing on ourselves and how great we are and what we can do and this, that, and the other thing, it's just like, All right, Papa, don't know exactly what to do next. And he'll be like, he'll smile at you and he'll chip you the answer right there when you need it. You know, and I think that goes with don't worry about tomorrow. We've got enough problems with today. And today has problems of its own. And Jonathan's not not on yet. So I'm not sure. if he's going to be able to come on this morning, we'll see. We can do another one of these in the future and we can spend like the whole hour just talking about the grid because that's another sort of subject area I focused on intently since 2006. I think my own personal kind of awakening began in 2006. Before that time, you know, I was an engineer. I was super busy at work. I didn't pay attention to politics. I didn't watch the TV news and I didn't care what was going on in the world. I was like nose to the grindstone, focused on my projects. And then in 2006, I started seeing the cracks in the system up here and particularly in the real estate market in California at the time. And, you know, I'm a numbers guy. And once I kind of woke up and I was like, wait a minute, this this does not make any sense. I started seeing lots of things unravel, you know, and I started studying energy and that interest led me in a direction with a friend I now call a guy now call a friend, Dr. Randall Mills in Princeton, who might have an answer to this decentralized energy thing. We'll see. But all that began in 2006. And I'll tell you what it was with the real estate situation in the town we were in. In 2005, 2006, the real estate market was super hot. We lived in sort of a new development. We had a little house in a little neighborhood. And the builder was still adding to it. And every week, the sales office would have a new tract opening up. And so people would line up to be the next in line to buy a house because they knew it was going to shoot up in value so that they wanted to be first in line saturday morning to grab one of these properties right so there was a time three or four months long where every friday night when I came home from work there were people camped on the sidewalks sometimes from thursday night onward to be first in line at the sales office on saturday morning I mean think how insane that is right you're sitting in a tent on a sidewalk waiting to put your name on a list to buy a house it's that hot Prices in my neighborhood shot through the roof multiple times. And a few years in after we bought in 2002, I looked at the price increase and I thought, okay, it's 22% per year annual price increase. All right. If that continues every year, what will my little shack be worth in 30 years when my mortgage comes due? And the answer was, A house I bought for $190,000 would be worth $78 million at that rate of price increase. So I asked my friends and neighbors, do you think that makes any sense? Do you think that little three-bedroom house is worth $78 million? Nonsense. It can't continue. It can't. And look, we've been focusing on the real estate market in China. But what people don't understand is that The United States right now, I hate to tell you, this is worse. And we had the big, you know, the real estate crash with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2008. And watch what was happening there. But, you know, here's another Donna Brandenburg observation here. Whether I'm right or wrong, the future will prove it out. I think what we haven't seen since 76 was deflation. We've only seen inflation because they're manipulating the markets. And the stand I'm taking on this where I think we're going to go is I think we're going to be, we're headed for a deflationary period that we have not seen the likes of since before 29. Right, the gold standard. We have not seen that type of a deflationary period. So now what happens when people have this greed mentality of buy, buy, buy, buy, bigger, bigger, bigger, and their entire head is on the material world and hedging their entire life on a bet that something is going to pay off big time. And I'm here to tell you, this world is very unpredictable. We have lived in an artificial environment For decades, it's all manipulated. The truth, the history that we've been taught, it's all fake. It's all false. And so now to go back to what we have, what are you going to do? And I'm going to say this as I feel like God appointed me mom to the entire, I said this to Mike Flynn Jr. when I met him a while back. And I said, you know, some people have gotten off early. I said, my problem is, is God appointed me mom to the entire damn planet. Because I actually care. But what are you going to do? Here's some mom advice, grandma advice. You know, I'm 60 years old. What are you going to do when everything you have been taught to rely on crumbles before your eyes? What do you have to stand on? Well, you better have good faith in God because it's going to be God that's going to rescue our sorry behinds. And that's it. And your communication, your interpersonal communication skills, which we watch go right down the toilet because of the indoctrination of our schools of turning everybody into a little snowflake who is there for attention and such. That ain't going to be there. It's going to be gone. And humans and Americans at this point in time always kind of make this lot assumption that tomorrow will be like today. Right. Today will be like yesterday. We have this expectation that things will continue as they have been. And we conveniently ignore all the times in history where that obviously didn't happen and things fell apart. And we think it won't happen to us. It won't happen here. It won't happen now. Yeah, it will. Yeah, history shows that it will, right? Yep. In 2008, you know, I lived in a hot real estate market in California. You know, I was naive. I thought everybody told me that, you know, things always go up. It was true. And I walked out onto my street one day in 2008, 2009. I looked to my left and I looked to my right. Three quarters of the houses on my street had for sale signs on them. Bankruptcies, right? people were doing what they called at the time, jingle mail. What jingle mail meant was you couldn't afford to pay your mortgage anymore. So you put your keys in an envelope and you mail them back to the bank, right? Three out of four houses on my street did that. And it's because those people all thought they were smart and they were going to make money. So they bought two houses and three houses and four houses. And they were just going to flip it because that's what the TV's hold them to do. buy a house, maybe put a coat of paint on it and sell it for 20 grand more than they bought it for. That all came to an end in 2008. But in comes the government and rescues us. They print all this money and they change the rules and they allow the Black Rocks of the world to step in and buy property as a backstop. It just pushes that that cliff date a little further in the future, but it's still there. And the cliff has gotten higher. It's gotten higher. Because we didn't deal with the problems. Right. And so not only did it open the door for BlackRock and everybody else to buy the property, you've got the farmland. And they've regulated things locally. And I'm going to tell you right now, all of the municipalities, the townships, everyone, is in on this because they've made all these unconstitutional, unlawful regulations that take away the rights of us to even feed ourselves. When they tell you you can't have chickens around your house, no matter what city you're in, tell them to go to hell. Because they are figuring out a way to take away your right to feed yourself. The new boxcars, we've got new boxcars. So we need to identify them. And they could make Hitler and the amount of people that are going to be killed or have been killed. I mean, it's like hold my beer, you know, because of the amount of people that they killed or they are planning to kill through all of this stuff. And we're going to have to deal with it. Now, I know you and I are kind of wired the same in this regard. I'm like, bring it. Let's deal with this. I want to run right to that fire and fix this problem because there are ways of figuring this out. But we have to be smart enough, resilient enough, aware enough that we've been living in an artificial environment. Nothing you see is real. And so what we're going to have to do is come to terms with that and go back to what we were supposed to have, which is a farming. Our world was supposed to be small communities, actual families, villages that knew each other, not all of this virtual nonsense out there where you really don't know who you're talking to unless you really know them. And that's another part of my background, I think, that... connects into all of this. It was an act of God that put me there. But in 2019, I lost my house and I wound up living on a farm. And from 2019 till 2023, I lived in an orchard, on an orchard. I didn't have any experience with farming before then. I mean, I knew that that happened in the regions around where we lived and worked, but I wasn't an IT guy. I didn't have any direct connection to that. And yet it turns out one of my best friends, um, John, uh, was a nectarine farmer. He taught me how to drive a tractor. I used to go and take care of his fields now and again, and I got exposed to farming. I was like, I never understood this. And now I do, I know how important it is. I know how to do it. I know why, why is done the way it's done. And then I spent three years living in a little cottage on an orchard, a nectarine orchard. an organic nectarine orchard, right? I got to see how things should be. The guy who grew, grew in that area was, he has a podcast, you know, he's a big guy in organics and he would plant weeds purposefully in his orchards of different varieties because they attracted the right kind of insects and they enriched the soil, you know, and I got exposure to that. And then I worked in the ag industry for three years and I, You know, I helped grow, I think I worked on 8,000 acres in those three years, you know, massive fields. And I realized how important growing food is. I got to warn you, one of our big clients at that company filed for bankruptcy a couple months ago. And they make citrus, you know, nectarines, grapes, all those kinds of foods, right? One of the biggest growers in Central California is bankrupt. Is that the water supply there? Because there's two people. That's a different company. I can tell you lots of stories about them. I know those people too, but this particular company employed 8,000 people in Reedley, in Fresno, in the Kingsburg area. 8,000 workers are out of a job. And tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of acres will not be farmed this year. So when you go to the store in the summer and you expect to buy fresh peaches and nectarines and plums like you did last year, you're not going to get them because the company that grew those things is bankrupt. So when I hear that, so I got to tell you, because I'm always working on solutions to problems. And one of the solutions that I'm working on right now, just for everybody, don't feel like depressed about this. This is information we need just to address a problem. And so one of the things that I'm actively pursuing right now is we have something called the Michigan Paw Paw, which they basically, it used to be all over the place, right? And there's different varieties of it. There's many different varieties I've been watching. I've been looking into the different taste tests of the different varieties and what you have. But there is a Native American pawpaw or a Michigan pawpaw that we've had, you know, that doesn't need to be really watered because it's got a long taproot. And I've been actively working on investigating that because we need to find solutions and bring the solutions home. And so it's not something to fear. Change is something never to fear. Never, ever fear change. It's going to happen. You're not going to control it. And, you know, the illusion that we control anything comes from really a lack of faith in God. You know, we we do not control anything. We just you take what comes at you that day and you make a plan. Start thinking, get around people that are smarter than you. Don't feel don't feel threatened by that. embrace it, give people and then let them have their seat of being smart people. Don't try to compete with them. Build them up and let them help them to run with the things that they have and then help them. Fall in behind and learn to follow. A good leader has to be a follower, somebody who can follow and get out of the way. And the goal we have is to increase the ever increased the people around us who are competent, who can work, where we just kind of go back as like a trapdoor spider, go back into our space and do our things and let the world run with God in control, not us. Yeah, you know, we need to, there needs to be more people who are awake, aware, thinking, perceiving clearly, you know, have their powers of discernment functioning, are courageous, are willing and able to run to the fire when there's a fire instead of running away from it. And you write about competence, there's a huge vacuum that's been forming and it's obvious now in the economy at large that there's a lack of competence everywhere in government, in private industry, in education, right? Competent people don't the the ratio is smaller than it used to be if we're going to survive as a species as a country as a civilization we need to go back to decentralization but what does that mean it means we have to have confidence because for you to have a decentralized network that system that works you need people that know how to do those those things you know you and I have a common interest in you know um uh small industries like you know making shoes and I'm obsessed with handmade shoes, okay? There's all these things that I get obsessed about, and I want to know how to do every part of it. And so, yeah, that's interesting. It's an interest in confidence. It's an interest in having, building, and encouraging other people the confidence to build these things that we need to have to survive, right? We can't rely on the beast system, the centralization. We have to be able to do those things locally. But that means we need the knowledge and the skills and the competence. And that's lacking probably purposefully. Right. I'm one of the people who believes the education system was designed to fail the way it's failing. Right. It makes it makes too many people dependent on the system. That was people down. It was intentional to have people stop asking questions and just, you know, you know, like I'm looking at, you know, we're looking at restarting hives. Right. And it turns them into drones that just are worker bees that put their heads down and go like this and they never look up and they've got one skill and they don't think and they don't live. And that's what the education system has done. So, yeah, we're in sync on all that. Yeah, I really appreciate your friendship. And I'm so thankful to God, truly. God brings us all together for different reasons. I'm really thankful for you and your beautiful bride to be here and your family. And our families have become, I would say, really good friends. And I'm so thankful for that. And she's going to be on next week. So I'm excited to To have her on next week. I'm not going to put her real name out because I don't know if she wants a real name out there or not. And so I'm going to wait for her to give me the go ahead on that. So but but I'm really, really thankful. And you can see God working and how he brings people together. He forms the teams. We don't. We just step up and walk forward. But he will give us everything we need. And it's not something to be afraid of. But I just wanted to say thank you for coming out. I really want you to come back again because there's a myriad of subjects we can go through here. both you and I have had, as you've said, we feel like we've lived so many different lives and done so many different things. And I really think it's by design by God almighty to bring us through not only certain successes, but a tremendous amount of failure so that we can see the inside of the system. And that's more of a win than winning. So like, I'm going to go back to it. I won I won in the governor's race by losing because I saw all from the inside, all the deficiencies, what was wrong and be able to look at it as a true outsider. This is the way we're going to have to fix it. We don't have another path. And all of these systems have got to be abolished. They've got to be no more. And we need to start with a clean slate in order to decentralize, in order to put the nation back together. And it's the, The pill of change that everybody's afraid of is exactly the pill that's going to save us at this point in time. We have to be able to move ourselves out of this beast system and go in a new way. Just like when God led people out of Egypt. He took them out, threw them in the desert. You think they knew what they were doing? Not a chance in hell. They walked out there going, what are we going to do? but god himself fed them yeah we have to um develop an awareness of the corruption we have to develop the courage to face it admit it system is corrupt it's broken you know too many people if you ask them on the street do you think you know corruption is a problem in our world they'll they don't They don't know. They care not to think about it. It's real. It's everywhere. It affects so many parts of our society. And we have to have the courage to face the decorruption, the process of decorrupting, which is going to be painful and difficult at times. But we have to do it because the path that we're on is not long-term sustainable, right? And, you know, there are people... listening to this, who know more of our story, who know that the reason I'm here in Michigan and talking to you is an act of God. That's the only explanation. The only reason it happened. I look back and I'm always thinking, how did I get here at this point in time? And there's a purpose. There's a reason I came here. There's a reason I connected with My fiance, right? There's, there's a purpose to all of that. Yeah. Right. But we have to have the courage and there's not enough people with courage. And our faith has to be in God almighty, not in what we can do, not in our knowledge, not in what we've amassed or anything like that, because this could all be gone that quick. And I guarantee you there's going to come a time where it will be gone that quick. It's he, he promised us that. And so it's not like we don't know the ending of the book at this point in time. And we have to be okay with that and okay to walk out the door at any point in time and realize everything could be gone. But that's okay. God is going to teach us a different way to look at the world and a different method. And it's going to be better. And I think that the words when we hear the best is yet to come is going to be, very biblical in it's in, in prophetic and biblical in watching the beast system go away. And it's going to be really good. And all of those things that have broken our hearts, all of those things that have captured our attention and that have distracted us and that we feel like we need to do will all melt away. And all of a sudden we're going to realize what, what, what, what, What did we ever really have? We had each other. And so focus on the people around you because that's the strength. That's the family. And like God said, when you do something for the least of these, you're doing it for me. And the material world doesn't matter at all. It's irrelevant. And so, well, this is great. Well, I know you have to go today, but I would like, you know, I'll sit here and talk with you all night. You know, it's like, like, that's always fun and such, but I want you to come back on again soon. And maybe we can do this even on a regular basis to a certain degree. I know your time is very precious, you know, and, and, and, and I understand why. And so your time is real precious, but I would love to have you on, you know, again, or, you know, whenever you have the time, that would be great. But thank you so much for coming on today, Eric. Thanks for having me and thanks for being my first interview. Oh, thank you. Well, I tell you what, everybody go to Cognitive Carbon here. I'm going to give you his page here and check him out and realize that there are some really good people behind the scenes that are not just sitting here. Oh, let's see. That's not the one. that are not just sitting here twiddling their thumbs, but are actually doing something. Here we go. Yeah, that page you had, that was the home page for Cognitive Carbon. There's 66 published articles and 46 still in draft. I've been Cognitive Carbon since 2007, so if you find that name on Twitter, on Truth Social, Telegram, that's me. So it's the same guy on all those platforms. I'm pretty active on all of those platforms. I've been posting a little bit less lately because I've been occupied by other things. But what I'm working on is also informing my understanding of what's going on with AI. And I have lots to share about that because whether we like it or not, it's happening and it's going to reshape our world. And the question is, Will we be prepared for it? Will we benefit from it? Will it be another thing that will be used to control us? Or is there some other outcome that will occur? And I'm an optimist. I think there's something good coming eventually from all of this. And I've directly experienced it. And I'm going to address this in one of my posts soon. But my creativity in the last two, three months has been unleashed. And I'm doing things that I thought I wasn't capable of. doing again software wise um you know and I haven't had that kind of experience and enjoyment and energy and just a creative outlet since my late 30s and the reason is I'm I'm writing code the way I should write code and I'm able to do that with the help of the right kind of ai right so there are ways in which it's useful there's lots of things that it's bad uh for but I think the things that are positive about it will ultimately win and that will help us help us all, you know, and I've written some articles about that idea, but there's more still to share and it's coming because of my direct experience. I don't want to be one of these people that reads what somebody else wrote about something. I want to experience it. All of what I've done back is my own experience. I don't necessarily do research into things. I experienced it. I tell you what I've done, seen, heard, lid right I write about what I know and if there's one thing I got from my father that was that was his advice right write about what you know and that's what he did and he's he's a he's an author he unfortunately he had a stroke in 2021 and he can't write anymore but he has a couple books that he published and that was his thing was right about what you know and um that's that's my approach on Substack so um But that's also informing what I'm writing about AI is it's things that I've done myself. So anyway, more to come on that topic. And I mean, we could spend three hours in a chat just on any one of these topics and go really deep into it. But I'm grateful for your friendship and I'm thankful to have this opportunity. And I'm glad that this was the first podcast I made an appearance on. It's pretty easy, isn't it? Yeah, it's just, you know, this is the way that I try to do all my interviews is just sitting down with friends. And, you know, we don't script anything. It's like we don't, I don't script anything. I have nothing written around me at any point in time. I might take some notes just because I want to remember or look something up later. But we just talk. We're just friends talking. And that's the best way to do it is just people. And that's our strength right there. because none of us are getting paid for any of this on BNN. We're doing this out of the love and the duty for this country and leaving something for our families and those that we love. And having a greater purpose, having a purpose that's not about the material world, but a much, let's just call it an eternal perspective. One that, you know, we want to do things for for the right reason. And that doesn't include the material world. That's just tools, you know, to accomplish greater things. So, well, I want to thank you for being on. I could sit here and talk to you all day, but I'm going to throw Ralph the IT guy on right now because Jonathan wasn't able to join us for some reason. I'm hoping he's okay. We put out a lot of stuff yesterday, including the fact that it looks like very likely that Tina Nessel may be charged with with first degree murder at some point in time, not just the third party that Whitmer was involved in, but it's much deeper. The corruption is so deep and we got into some of the assassination and coverup agencies like K2 that are in our country that, that Kroll's got involved in and such. And we're going to continue to put this information out there to help educate people with the real information behind the scenes. And this is why I got censored so heavily. This is why any of us have gotten censored off of mainstream media, because this is what they're trying to hide. It's the stuff you brought out today in the labs that COVID was a bioweapon. There's no two ways about it. And these are all the other things that they're doing to subvert this nation. And we either wake up and we walk forward together as an army, not just a digital soldiers, but as people that are actually willing to step in and say, I'll run for office. I'll do this. I'll do this. Step up and do something. Be willing to do anything to take the nation back. Anyhow, thank you for coming on today, Eric. I'll let you take yourself out and we'll just start talking when you have to go. Welcome, Ralph. How are you doing? Howdy, Ralph. See you later. You're doing great. How about you guys? Doing great. That was fun. I love Eric. He and his family, they are truly... Just wonderful, wonderful people. Their kids are wonderful. And, you know, so we have a great time together. So what's happening? Ralph is an incredibly smart guy. Yes, he is. Kind of like the guy sitting right there behind Ralph, the IT guy. Not sure about that. Yeah, I do. Yeah, he's got some really good information about A.I., And he's got some really good experience with AI. So next time he comes on, that's going to be a real good show for everybody to tune into because, yeah, he's got a good perspective on it. A lot of people are afraid of AI, but I've done some work with AI, not as much as Eric has. I've written AI programs. I've trained my own AI models, and I've used other people's AI models. And you know, at the core of it, it's statistics. There's, there's nothing actually intelligent about an AI model. It's, it's a statistical model based on what it has been trained on. Basically the data set that it has been optimized to spit out answers to match. And yeah, that, As a result of that, I'm not afraid of AI. AI is one of those things that it can be used for great good. It can be used for great evil. It is just a tool and it's just statistics basically at its core. But Eric has got a lot of really good information about that. Well, a lot of people see it as like this mystical unicorn out there that's ready to stab you with its horns. And I got the privilege of meeting a couple of pretty high level AI guys who it was kind of funny how how we met. We met down in Florida and at a conference and got talking to them. And one guy, he came up and he took some pictures, you know, like event pictures and such and sent them to me later. And I started getting curious. I'm like, this guy knows too much just to be a photographer. And so I started talking. delving into it. And he'd written a lot of articles on AI and embodied AI, which I think is, is fascinating. If you don't, if you don't know what embodied AI is, um, I think I can do a show on it and it would be really, cause you know, it's like all of us here are serious nerds. We're nerds. That's all there is to it. We like looking at all into crazy stuff and, and doing things that doing things in crazy ways and, and wanting to know the core of of how things work, how things are connected. We are cynical on everything we see and honestly want to know the truth because there's so much deception. But I want to show you something. So I told everybody today that I moved into my new studio. This is, in fact, a backdrop that Ralphie there helped me get printed and such. I've got a very large vinyl printer and such. And so he, we took a picture of my kitchen table and printed it so that the backdrop was the same. So today I'm trying to get the lighting worked out because I felt like my lighting looked terrible. So I'm going to, I'm going to dink with my lighting here a minute while we're on and see if I can warm this thing up a minute. I didn't want to do it. Well, let's see. Oh, cause I feel like I look like a ghost. So let's see what you think. If you can see it, Ralph on the other side. Oh, I can see the different colors changing. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Let's see there. Here's white and I'm going to go, let's see if we can make it brighter. See if we can go up. I think I got a problem because it's the, the, the light is regulating and I need to block more out of a window here to my left. That's what's washing me out. So, Yeah, it's a window. I tried to block it off, but I was like, oh, man, I've got to block this thing off better. So that's going to be my thing tomorrow to see if I can get my lighting figured out here so that I don't look like a cadaver on screen with bad lighting. Yeah, as I recall, you're not too far from where you were before, correct? No, like the next room over, honestly. But it's not in the middle of the house where I had the lighting there finally figured out. And, uh, this is actually was actually behind me actually. And so we printed it and now it's just, uh, it's a backdrop. So I think it looks pretty good. I think it looks great. So continuity there. And, and, uh, I thought it was, uh, I thought the background was, you know, kind of warm and homey, you know, just, just coming from, from, uh, real news for real people by real people at the kitchen table. Right. And I think, I think this is what we need to do is we need to get back to those things. that it's okay not to get on a screen and say, hi, this is Donna Brandenburg coming to you with the latest, greatest news from this site right here. And have you ever watched somebody do voice impressions where they go through voice actors who they go through all of these things that they want to put out there online? Hi. This is somebody who's trying to be a calming voice. Yeah, those are fun to watch. I actually did voices at one point in time. And I did some voiceovers. And, you know, you have to, I don't, when you hear me here, I'm not doing anything. It's just how I talk, you know, normal conversational speech. But any of us can change our voices if we work at it a little bit or train for it to do different things. do different personas just through our voice. Did you know that when you talk on the phone anymore, it is generally not actually the other person's voice that you're hearing? Oh, yeah, the way that it's compressed. And this is the way that it's been basically since... cell phones went digital. Back in the analog days, it was still, you were hearing the other person's voice. But when they went digital, the way that it actually works is it breaks up the audio signal on the microphone end. It breaks up the audio signal into a bass frequency. And then the kind of the resonances that are, the resonances off of that bass frequency And then it transmits that, it compresses that down and transmits that, and then it resynthesizes it on the other end. And that's part of the reason why when you listen to like hold music on a phone, why that tends to sound so utterly terrible so much of the time is because phone voice codecs, are really only designed to be able to have a reasonable facsimile of a human voice because they actually kind of like simulate the vocal tract. It's really pretty interesting looking at how they do that. Well, it takes three seconds for them to capture any voice and be able to be able to replicate it anywhere. That's all it takes three seconds and they can make a reasonable facsimile of a person. And in that, that's, that's should be frightening a little bit to everyone if the bad guys are in control, but, and they can also, it's the same thing with a pitcher. A pitcher is not you. It's a representation of you and it can be manipulated. They're trying to manipulate the human beings just by, you know, the, by the, the Eric touched on it, the Chimera stuff and the, the CRISPR technology and such behind the scenes, which is, I find the whole thing really, really amazing. Now, if we use those things for good purposes, it's not something to be afraid of, but we're going to, we have to go back to the fact that there's some very evil people out there. And the only way to get rid of this is to honestly get rid of them. And, you know, it's like with treason, treason comes with a penalty. I'm sorry. So sorry, too bad, so sad. They knew what they were doing. They did it with foreknowledge. And this was not an, oh, bring on the tears and not know what you're doing. They knew exactly what they were doing. And we're going to have to clean house. And it's going to have to be a little bit merciless and brutal because they've proven that what they're capable of. Now, that's not the normal human being. This is people that, like Eric and I were, that we were talking about, the people that actually launched a bioweapon on the United States of America to kill our families and friends. Do you cut them slack? Hell no, you don't cut them slack. You don't even listen to one tear coming out of their eyes. And I mean, you can hear tears and cries and whatever, whatever. Now as a counterpoint to that, I have maybe a little bit of an unusual opinion on COVID. Okay. I tend to think based on some of the genetics of the genetic sequencing that I've seen of COVID, I am of the opinion that COVID was being developed, bioengineered as a CRISPR-carrying self-replicating virus. I would agree with you on that. And I tend to think that COVID was actually actively released from the lab by good guys without the payload so that it could basically mess up that entire line of research by making everybody immune to it so they'd have to start over to be able to do a viral CRISPR virus. Well, we've talked about this before and I would have to agree with your theory on this, that it was hijacked because it could have been much worse. But what we showed is their ability and their intention that they had of releasing this bioweapon. So if they released a dumbed down version of it, which I think the good guys released basically a neutered version of it that didn't contain that payload. But the fact that That was being developed and researched. Right. The fact that that line was being developed and researched, that is where the problem lies. Yeah. I would agree with you on that, too, is that that seems like the best possible fit. It's a bad outcome, but a better outcome. It was a bad outcome. They killed a lot of people. I'm not saying that they didn't kill it. But I got that there was an interference there that that, like you said, neutered it a little bit. And that takes us back to what happened in Iran with the nuclear program there. This is really interesting. OK, this is really nerd stuff that most people are like, oh, just shut up, Donna. Go and let's talk about puppies and kitties or something like this. But we're going to go there because I know that the people that are listening to this to this are good guys and bad guys. Screw you, bad guys. I'm going to give you the unicorn right now. This is to all the bad guys out there. There you go. Where you get the unicorn. award for today. We're going to talk about this stuff. And to the good guys out there that are the nerds behind the scenes that are really doing the good stuff, there was a group of people, and I'm going to let you explain this because I'm honestly ready to stop talking and let somebody else talk for a while. I really, really would like to get into this because there was a group of programmers that that set back Iran's nuclear program decades. And the way they did it, I know that you would like to shake their hand. I would like to shake their hand. I'm going to give you a virtual shake right here. Good job. I wish I knew exactly who they were. I have some ideas of who was maybe connected to this. And I'm not going to mention their names. Yeah, those guys are heroes of mine. That was just an amazing display of technical wizardry, really. And like you said, I would love to shake those guys' hands, but it would be the absolute greatest honor ever For them, if I never and nobody else ever, ever found out who they were, and if I was on that team, I would take great pride in knowing that nobody knew who I was. But it was incredible. what they did. Um, so Iran had a whole bank of centrifuges where they were enriching uranium. And, uh, the process of doing that by centrifuge takes a very long time. It's very, very precise. You have to spin these centrifuges at a very, very precise, uh, rate. And, um, the way that they did this was just utterly brilliant. And it did rely on a whole bunch of things, you know, launching it, sitting there and praying to God like this, that certain events would happen. Yes. It was about, I think it was about a four or five stage process, if I remember right, that all required... taking advantages of different security vulnerabilities in different pieces of equipment to jump from one system to another. And praying to God it would go that way. And they had to do it blind because I think it was only the first two stages of it that were even remotely connected to the internet. After that, it all had to be done across an air gap. And so they had to launch this and try and get it across the air gap to the control systems for these centrifuges and then not get caught. And they didn't get caught for years. They screwed up the Iranian nuclear program for years and didn't get caught until finally they did. But even then, it took a while to figure out what was going on. And what they did is they took the centrifuges and they kind of like randomly spun them up faster and slower than they were supposed to go. And they did it in a way that it averaged out at the end to be the same speed that they were set at. So that if anybody was doing an analysis of it over the long term, it looked perfect. But over the short term... they kept varying it up and down to completely mess up the process. The yields on this were like really, really, really low. And it was puzzling the Iranian nuclear scientists for years as to why they weren't getting the yields that they should be getting out of this very well-trodden path of a process of using centrifuges for this. And they just weren't getting enough out of it. And this is why, is because of the sabotage of the nuclear program. And nobody ever fessed up to who it was. There's like no publicly admitted knowledge about who did this. Not the country, not nobody. Now, there's some suspicions out there as to at least which countries were involved. But even then, there's nothing that tied it back to these guys. And part of it was because they did this attack almost entirely blind. It was brilliant. And the analysis of it came out years after they launched it. And it took a long time to even figure out what they did. And it was brilliant. It's so funny to see, like, you know, there's spooks everywhere. I affectionately call them all spooks. But there are people that work without ever being acknowledged on what they're doing out there. And those are the true heroes of this nation. They just keep going forward. They never step out of the shadows. They don't want the recognition. They're doing it for the right reasons. So for all of you that are discouraged out there, realize, There's a lot of good people out there and you think they're going to actually let things happen to us. A lot of what we're seeing, I believe, is it's a show and it's it's helpful in accomplishing certain goals. Like Q was Q the Q post. I listen to people every day. I don't like the Q things and they're all I'm disenfranchised. I'm like, have you ever read them? And their answers are, well, no, I follow this person and that person. I said, well, that's your first problem right there. That's like saying you're a Christian and never crack in the Bible, but listen to every crackpot commentator out there that are putting themselves into it. The Q post, and Eric said he knew exactly what it was there for, was honestly to activate people into asking their own or into asking. asking questions. Q gave people not information, not an end game, but something to think about that interrupted the thought process of accepting things for what they are. And I was like, well, yeah, that doesn't make sense, does it, when they bring it in front of you? And I think that got to the Gen Xers. It got to younger people. It got to people who were curious nerds. that needed something for their minds to chew on because this mind-numbing bullshit that comes out of mainstream media that none of us believe. But it really started the process of getting more and more people to – reject the lies that were going on and find out for themselves instead of just being spoon fed like a bunch of baby birds, the poison that was being put out there by the Global Crime Syndicate. And I think President Trump said it in his inaugural speech, which was phenomenal. It was incredible. He said, we're giving this country back to we the people, right? Well, how do you do that with a group of people who don't even know the first thing about governing themselves or what's led up to this or the deficiencies and the failings that led up to this so that they don't repeat it again and activate people who are used to sitting there going, well, I hate this politician and I hate that politician and this person's a crook and that person's a fraud and never do a thing. Sit there playing the blame game, twiddling their fingers. but never getting in the game. And I think that's what Q was brilliant. There were many levels that Q was brilliant at, the Q operation, I will call it that way. And I'll be eternally grateful for every single person that participated in that with a huge amount of love and respect. And I can say it right back at them, we love you. And I'll quote Q again. that was put out to a certain individual, perhaps myself, but we love you. It was amazing. It was, it was amazing. It was incredible watching, watching not only, um, everyone wake up, including myself. I mean, everyone was in, it was totally enriched and, and and taught through this through this these props, you know, they'll say, why is this? Why is this? Why is this? It was a Socratic method of teaching to start asking questions and then all of a sudden go, well, I got to know now and then jumping out there and working around and going, yeah, why is this like this? This doesn't make any sense and break the spell of the lies that have been cast over us for years. And it's amazing. I tend to think that's one of the best things right now that RFK is doing for everybody. I love that guy. Met him, love him, great. I think that's one of the most important things he's doing right now, though, is that the news media has been really trying to portray a lot of fairly common sense stuff, the mainstream media, as being, oh, this is a terrible opinion of the alt-right. And you listen to RFK, and he's actually bringing this back to – he's bringing a lot of the common sense arguments back to people who would never have listened to it because they've been brainwashed into thinking this was wrong think. And by him being seen as being more on the left, him bringing it up is giving some legitimacy to some of these points that are just – they affect us all. It's not, it's not one side versus the other. This is problems that are universal to all of us. And his perspective on that is bringing in a lot of people to the fight to join, to join, join the fight really on the same side, but coming from a different place. He is the most sincere political speaker I have heard thus far. And, uh, I, I, uh, The truth be known, I'm an equal opportunity political hater. I don't like the right side or the left side because they're both working together. So I can listen to people with with objectivity. You know, I don't I'm not on I'm on on. Oh, go team Republican or go team Democrat, because I'd like to see some motion in one direction or the other of somebody that actually gives a crap about the United States. And the only one thus far that I've seen is I want to say right here. This guy right here, President Donald J. Trump, who should be on Mount Rushmore. There you go. He's the last one to add right there. You know, the rightful president of the United States who actually gave a crap about this nation and had policies that proved out his intentions. I wouldn't have given him one little tiny space of leeway had he not done what he did, but he proved himself out. He proved himself out that he was for America, America first, and giving this nation back to we the people, not just the politicians. I listen to the right right now and they're like, oh, you know, president or RFK Jr. He's for gun control. He's for this, that, and the other thing. I'm like, have you people actually listened to him? I was right next to him. I shook his hand. I was next to him. I sat there and and listen to him speak and such, right? And I'm going to tell you what, he talked about the border where the most common sense of solutions that I've heard thus far of how to do it and what to do and how to address it. And he sat there and you could see he's like, we thought we were doing the right thing. We thought it was compassionate. We thought we were helping. And he said, we were wrong. He said, we've created one of the largest humanitarian crisis the world has ever seen. And he's fought. He's actually, he's an excellent attorney. He's fought for people. He fights for people's rights. Well, you know what? We can sit there and go, well, you know what? We're going to stay all in our little, in our little, uh, you know, echo chambers of people that we want to have agree with us on every single step along the way. You know, we want to agree 100% on all these points. And if we don't, off with their heads. You know, we're going to do a character assassination and toss them out. We're going to toss them out in the cancel culture. And cancel culture is on the right and the left. It certainly is. You have to listen to what people are saying. Give them a chance. Because somebody's history may not be representative of where they are right exactly now. Because we're all learning. And I can guarantee you that if we looked into every single person listening to this broadcast right now. Oh, yeah. yeah hang on a minute jonathan's gonna come on in a minute he's like 10 o'clock right and I say yeah est I've got an interview at at 11 30 unless I can push it back just a little bit but I don't think I can so so uh so we'll bring him on when he comes on but but the uh the he'll come on for a minute um and uh we'll see if I go ahead and join and then we'll go there but But cancel culture on the right. Thanks for jumping on, Ralph. I appreciate that. True friends jump on and help each other out when somebody misses their alarm or something. Well, if we got to move on to something that I figured I'd bring up as long as I'm on here, too, that was kind of an offshoot from when we were talking earlier this week about EMP protection. Yeah. One of the people in the comments had mentioned an EMP-proof bag. And I was talking about how not all of those are 100% legit. There's ways of testing that, like with a nano VNA, that kind of thing. A ham radio person would be able to help with that. But another thing that I thought I'd bring up as a real easy test of whether something is doing anything for EMP protection at all, it's not the most scientific, but it'll get you a lot of the way there, is if you've got something like that, throw a phone inside of it and give it a call. If it rings, it's not blocking cell phone signals, so it's certainly not going to block an EMP. And you can do that same kind of a thing with anything that's a Faraday cage. If it doesn't block cell phone signals, it's not going to block an EMP. Now, if it does block cell phone signals, you know that it at least blocks the cell phone frequencies. You don't know that it blocks all of them, but it at least gives you a better idea of whether something is even mildly effective. Yeah, well, and I always appreciate your knowledge. I said, Jonathan just came on. Let me throw him on the stage here. Hey, Jonathan, how you doing? Hey, Donna. I was so sorry that I had to sit 10, and so you said 10, and I was like, shit, she's Eastern Time again. I was so disappointed because I even went – I have a music studio that's about 20, 30 minutes away, and I was like, I'm going to be so ready to go. I'm going to go home. I'm going to go down there and get my tripod that I have for my phone to set up and everything. I was like, it's actually going to look legit this time. You know what? It's like I like your shirt. I've got, there you go. Yeah, Pepe. He's my man, Pepe, my frog. So awesome. And I appreciate you coming on here today. You guys rock. I mean, I'm so privileged to be in the midst of so many most excellent nerds out there and Anons, and I appreciate everything. Everybody right here today is an Anon, so I really appreciate everybody. Thank you. and the information that's coming forward. So that's cool. Ralph, you want to finish that up? I wanted to bring Jonathan on and not leave him in the back. I have an interview at 1130 that I'm going to, that I have to go and jump on. So we've got a limited time today, but I'm going to tell you what I'm looking at my schedule next week. I've got Mike Flynn jr. Coming on a Monday after my normal people on Monday morning, Tuesday, I believe is, is full as well as Wednesday. Thursday is Dr. David Clement, the professor's record and Friday I have open. Would you like two hours on Friday next week? Jonathan. Oh, I thought you were talking to him. Yeah, that'll work. That'll work. I'm so sorry. That's okay. Let's touch on it now, and then I'm going to schedule you for Friday of next week because this stuff has to get out there, and I think people need to know what's going on. I'm going to close out and get out of the way. Well, you're amazing. So thanks for the conversation, and we're going to go through some more nerd stuff that we track down because – I think the cyber area like Eric does is just really, really interesting. And people have no idea really how much work you've done behind the scenes, Ralph. And we'll get into it. We just get in here and talk because we know each other very well. And so let's come back on. You'll probably be on again this week sometime. Yeah, no problem. Whenever works. Anyway, have a great day and we'll talk to you later. Thank you, Ralph. So so we're back here. And so somebody said, oh, my gosh, Clements is everyone. And you know what? I talk to everyone and I try to give everybody a way to talk and realize there's good guys that are playing bad guys in the scene that's going on right now. We've got spooks everywhere. Oh, for sure. sometimes we have to be able to listen to people who everyone is demonized and sit back and not make an opinion and go, let's see what they have to say. And, uh, I'm not going to cancel out anybody. And, uh, I would love to, I would love to have, um, uh, what is it? Um, Rodriguez on. And, uh, that would be, that would be really amazing. Cause I know you follow, you follow a couple of these people and I think they're fabulous and, So we're going to have him on. We're going to have everybody talk to everybody. I know David actually very well. He stayed with us when he was in Grand Rapids, and his wife, and they're wonderful. Michigander Home Center says, KK or Pete Hoekstra, they're both, in my opinion, they're not on the right side of the world right now. And so I've watched them break the law, and both of them, And so it's not my fault that the MIGOP voted in somebody that should not have been there. You voted in somebody who committed treason. Not my fault. It's just that I'm willing to hold people accountable instead of being part of these ridiculous political party clubs. I won't do it. If I had to walk away from all of the clubs, I would do it on principle. So anyhow, going back, let's start off where we left off a little bit. And I've got about... I've got about 15 minutes, and then we're going to have to close her down so I can move on. Perfect. So remind me, we finished up with the part about the Dominion email and K2 and Hamilton Place Strategies and Serbia and John Palos. And I'm trying to remember. So maybe you can answer this. We went through a lot of stuff and the connections that were, you're fabulous in making these connections and putting them together. I mean, you really are incredibly talented at it. And so we could go in a million different directions because I think we got offline and we talked quite a while and we were coming up with about 20 different rabbit holes we could go down easily with the amount of research you've done. So whichever way you want to go. Yeah, so I was fortunate enough. I've got some good people in my corner that I've been able to connect with through this process. You know, it's like a community of election integrity people. And I really think that like everybody, if they if they understood the stakes would be, you know, not necessarily call themselves election integrity people. experts or whatever but is as a more overall focused uh you know freedom and saving our country you know elections and secure elections are certainly a huge part of that because um you know if we can't control who is our leadership are we we depend on our leaders to you know defend the Constitution and uphold the rule of law and hold bad guys accountable. You know, I like that you say bad guys. I mean, that's that's what they are. They're bad guys. They're psychopaths. They aren't wired the way we are. They do not have the ability to actually care about human beings. Yeah. And I was up I was up pretty late last night talking to one of my buddies that's overseas that's doing this. And, you know, we share and tell back and forth. He's a seven hour time difference for me. So, you know, if it means I have to get at him, you know, later in the evening around about like, I don't know, one, then so be it. And know we were diving heavily into the weeds of all of this that that we're fighting with right now and I was I have another friend that um right before I jumped on the phone call with him was kind enough to connect me uh with uh stephanie lambert up here in uh michigan your neck of the woods because we know they're you know giving her both barrels right now and she's been on bn on a couple of times And I want to do anything. I told Seth Keschel, who is a friend of mine that is really tight with with Steph. And I told him that, you know, I know that Stephanie is busting her ass and she's, you know, got a lot of great people in her corner. I have information I believe that could help her and I want to do anything that I can to help her. So please pass this information along. And he said, hang on one second. And he just basically created a group chat with her in there. And I got to connect with her. And so it was it was that classic thing where you're like, hey, who are you? Who are you? And then like, yeah, I have stuff that can help you. And it's like you. thread spam them with like I don't know seven or eight things that are immediately relevant to what they're dealing with right now and so that's how it was That's how it came about. And that's, what's been most unbelievable. Uh, and, and, and encouraging for me is that people do genuinely care and, and, um, they're willing to connect others across the globe. Like the work that I've, I get to do with Peter Berger over in Wisconsin. I'm very fortunate to be able to connect to that guy. And I connected with him. Before I had even this kind of like network established to where I could just say, hey, so and so, can you connect me with this person and whatnot? I really had to almost stop Peter to get him to work with me. I promise I'm a good guy and I'm genuinely trying to help you. So but yeah, now it's. That's how these Anons are all over the country. The ones that are going to save the country aren't the ones that you knew their names before COVID. Yeah, they're the ones that are all censored and nobody will talk to them out in the open. And so it's like that's the truth. It's like all the researchers that are really researching that are bringing the truth forward have been silenced. And you got to know how to get into these networks to find the real information. And new people that you didn't know had been in it pop up every day, too, because they're so good at hiding. For sure. And it's crazy how long you can go without seeing information from somebody who is running right in parallel with what you're running on and looking at and digging into. Twitter's really great, or at least it was really great, at having these algorithmic... I guess sequester algorithms where it's like two people who absolutely need to meet can be looking at exactly the same thing and never see each other's feed, even if they follow the same people or get the same information. And I can't tell you how many times I've had that happen with people that I work closely with now who their work is incredibly impactful to what I'm focused on and work that I do definitely has overlap with with their situation as well and you know I'll get told you know I've never seen you on my feed you know I've never seen you on my feed it's amazing like three months ago uh I remember telling somebody you know, this is information I've been looking for for like six months. Like, where has this been? And how has this person never come across my feed? And it was literally like the missing puzzle piece to something that we were looking at. And I was like, you know, Twitter has never let me see any of your posts ever. And they're like... I'm not surprised. And you'll have these situations too, where you're talking about the same things and somebody makes reference to work that is similar to yours and they don't even know you exist. they'll think you're stealing their work or something. And you're like, no, no, no, no. I promise. Like we've been looking at this for, you know, I had this happen to me with, um, a friend of mine, uh, dizzy res, um, who is, her name is destiny. She's fantastic. She's on, uh, Twitter. She, when I had my birthday party on Twitter, cause I'm, uh, you know, a dork, uh, that's, In January, we did this like birthday space, you know, into January. So it was just the last few days before I got thrown off Twitter. So I had all my Anon friends and researchers from around the country, the ones that could make it, come and just hang out and just, you know, make each other laugh for a little while. And she's certainly one of those. And I hope that if... if she's, if she's watching this, I hope that she, uh, connects with you and knows that, uh, I haven't, uh, I haven't just, you know, just abandoned her. I've been thrown off Twitter, Desi. So if you're, if you're not aware of that now, you know, well, give her my phone number. If you connect with her and, uh, we'll, we'll talk and, uh, give, give her space to speak. You need to connect with her. She's, she's fantastic. Um, But I did wanna give you a little morsel that you and your viewers can take away. And it's really a shout out to people that if you're not following them already, they've been incredibly impactful. You need to follow them, seek them out. I won't remember all their usernames or contact info offhand, but if it's something that we can get to offline, then I'm happy to do that. But, um, you know, I, I work closely with Ash and, um, Ashley up over in, uh, Colorado, who's right there dealing with this, a lot of the same stuff that Tina Peters, uh, is dealing with. So, uh, shout out to her and Sean and Holly. They're going through the lawfare bull crap, uh, right now. Um, Shout-out to Kevin Moncla in Georgia and, you know, Heather and Greg and Catherine and my friend Laurie for doing everything that they're doing over there. They're fantastic. melissa and marissa in texas um are fantastic marissa hansen and I actually don't know the last name of uh melissa and I should because I've worked closely with her I've just always known her as her first name or her twitter handle but her twitter handle is uh tech saving at tx saving That's where you can find her. She has a fantastic wealth of knowledge. My buddy in Virginia, Project Virginia, has been a huge election integrity expert as far as Eric, the Eric investigation, the voter registration deal. And he's been paramount in helping us get information that's necessary to Attorney General Jason Mieres up there in Virginia. So if you're not following him, please, please give him a follow as well. And then Chris Hunter, obviously in California, he's for a long time been my, you know, one of my right hand, like, most important forensics dude that I work with dude should be making millions of dollars in the in the private defense sector but uh he's putting his talents thankfully towards helping us save save the country and um obviously shout outs to you know shelby and brian and and kurt and clay perique and um so many um There's so many people that have been working on this. It's just incredible. You know, you could go, you could work for weeks and never hit all the names, but someday they'll, they'll, we'll put them all together. Yeah. And, um, you know, Steffi Beltonick and Stephanie Lambert in Michigan, Peter and Chris over in Wisconsin. Stephanie's going to be on, on Wednesday. I'm supposed to jump on a call with her, um, sometime this, this morning. So I'm going to give her a shout. Um, she might've already called me and I missed it because I'd plan my day around like being here with you at 10 o'clock central. My bad. But, um, yeah, just, there's a bunch of people that over in Kansas, uh, he is fighting his ass off for us. Uh, he is, he's somebody I met in Missouri, um, that doesn't get the recognition that he deserves, that he is an absolute fighter. Trevor over in Utah, uh, Gosh, there's so many. Well, I think another thing I want to talk about just a little bit to hit on is that we ended with the fact that it's likely that Dana Nessel is going to be charged with first degree murder. I don't know if it's going to be first degree. I don't know if it'll be first degree, but I do think that she will be an accessory, is an accessory. Again, in my opinion, she's an accessory to murder at worst or at best, I should say. So with that, with that said, yeah, I have to, I have to jump off to do another interview here, but you know what? I'm so thankful that you're on today and I'm thankful for all the work that you've done. You're incredible. And you're very gracious giving a shout out to all of these people around you and That's just a really beautiful thing, and I really do appreciate that so much. Let's plan on next week, Friday, can you do 9 o'clock Eastern time? So if you need me to do 9 o'clock Eastern, okay, that's going to be 8 o'clock my time. I'll send, we'll do it that way because you've got enough information that, you know, I normally do long interviews because I want to make sure I give people enough time to actually talk. And it's funny when we start talking, this is human beings, is that when we start talking, we remember little unrelated bits of information that kind of pull together to make a really great story and complete picture. what's going on not like a not like a fantasy story but to tell the story of what's actually going on that's why I do long interviews and I would love to give you about two hours to talk or just as long as you want to talk so that you can connect all of these things because you've got so much information and and connections going on there I wish I had more time today because I would I i I um Yeah, there's another interview after me, so I do need to jump off and do that. But I really appreciate you coming on today and all the work you've done and all the people around you and the people that are behind the scenes everywhere. You people are extraordinary. And I'm proud. I'm so humbled and proud to be able to stand with each and every one of you out there. You're amazing. And let's come back at this next week, Friday. Does that sound like a plan? Sounds like a plan, Donna. Thank you so much. And sorry for my tardiness again. No, that's okay. You know, this is the way, like, this is, this is what happens on, on BNN. It's live, it's live broadcast. And sometimes life gets in the way. Sometimes, We, we get the, you know, we get things not quite right, but you know what it is. It's authentic. That's the one thing I'm proud of, of being on is that nothing's scripted and it's all authentic. And it's all of us that are behind the scenes, just working who've been shunned by like everybody. And, uh, and such who have, who have refused to lay down and refuse to stop. I'm just very thankful that you're here. I, I'm, I really am. And it's okay because this is authentically how we live. This is how we communicate. This is how we hang out with friends. And it's okay. Friends love each other no matter what. And it's not a problem. I'm going to say a real quick prayer here and ask for God's blessing on you and on Eric today. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so very much for Eric and Ralph and Jonathan who are willing to work behind the scenes. They all work for nothing except for their love of you and the country that you gave us as a legacy to our posterity, the people that come after. And we're so very thankful that you're leading us every step of the way. I ask your favor to mightily rest on Eric, Ralph, and on Jonathan and every single thing that they do, all of their connections, everything that they touch, and that you would just bless them with your guidance and every good thing. Thank you so much for this day. Bless every single person that's out there. Let them know that they're loved and give them the encouragement to know that, you know, And this world has been going in a bad direction for a very long time. And you know what? I really believe that you're leading us out of it. And I trust you no matter what it looks like. I trust you. And we trust you to follow you. We have faith in you, not with what we see or what we've amassed here that we think is ours that is not. It's all yours anyway. And we just want to let you know that we love you. You've been a great friend to us. We want to be a wonderful friend to you. In the name of Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen. So with that said, I'm going to do the thing here. Go to BrandonBerferGovernor.com because I'm the best non-conceiver who has ever not conceded. I'm not conceding to liars, cheats, and thieves in the 2020-2022 election. We have proof. And so we're going to keep going, and we're not laying down in this fight. And just so you know, it's never going to end until we write every rung that's going on right now, especially the children, our elections, the borders, all the things that have been used by some very evil people to tear this nation down. We're going to write it and we're not asking permission. And with that said, know that you're loved. It's okay. You are not the evil you see. Don't take it into your heart. Realize that's all on them. They did it with knowledge. They knew what they were doing. And they're going to reap the consequences of their actions. There's going to be justice here. So with that said, God bless you all. God bless all those whom you love. And God bless America. Make it a great day. It's a gift. God gave it to us today as a gift. And run with every good thing that he's given you today. We love you. And I will see you back here on Monday with Jeff Bongiorno, Jason Ikes, and Michael Flynn Jr. It'll be a fun day. Have a great weekend. And enjoy every minute of it. We'll see you next week.