Published Nov. 11, 2024, 9:04 a.m.
9am Vicky Davis Technocratic Communism The United Nations as an organization is world communism. The strategy to impose world communism on the people of the United States (and the other countries in this hemisphere) has been economic rather than military as the people were led to believe it would be. It's our own leaders who were the Pied Pipers leading us to this demise of the U.S. I'm working on a timeline that shows the who, when and what. 10am Charles Crismier Save America was established as a non-profit ministry dedicated to rebuilding the foundations of America’s faith and freedom. Bringing a life-changing message of repentance, righteousness and reconciliation to a nation in acute moral and spiritual distress through broadcast and publishing media, The Church at Richmond, and a community Cell Church model (Covenant Community), all wedding the re-birth of Biblical Truth in restoration of relationships by the ministry of hospitality providing a special focus for pastors. X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1rmGPoOYPOYKN Rumble: https://rumble.com/v5o4ytt-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-11112024-technocratic-communism-and-charles-cr.html https://rumble.com/v5o4zaw-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-11112024-technocratic-communism-and-charles-cr.html Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Vicky Davis, Charles Crismier
Good morning and welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it's the eleven eleven twenty twenty four. So the eleventh day of November twenty twenty four. Welcome to our show today. So I hope everybody had a really good weekend this weekend. We I had a great weekend when it with with all of our friends in the United States Marine Corps. We were celebrating their two hundred and forty ninth Marine Corps birthday ball. And let me bring this up here. So I posted this and Vicki's on this morning. Morning, Vicki. How are you doing? Good morning. Just fine. Thanks. Good. So it's been kind of an interesting weekend. And first hour is Vicki Davis with Technocratic Communism. And the second hour is Charles Chris Meyer. And I think it's going to be really interesting because he's got a perspective on saving the United States and also believes that we're going to have persecution coming for Christians and I think that it's going to be a really interesting show because also surviving persecution when it comes. So I'm kind of curious what he has to say. Anyhow, we went to the Marine Ball this weekend and Erlina and I were there and Danny and Lisa Manquins and a bunch of our other friends. And we really had a nice time. So I just wanted to show you guys some of what was going on there. Thank you. And it was an awful lot of fun. It really was. We had a great time. And to every Marine who has served and to those who continue to serve, we thank you for your sacrifice, your strength, and your commitment to make this Corps, the toughest, most respected force on the planet to every Marine past, present, and future, happy birthday. And I really did have a good time. It was an amazing, it really was an amazing time. And happy Veterans Day to all of our our veterans out there. What a, what a proud thing are the United States military, the men and women of the United States military are. I mean, it's really something to see and I'm just very, it was a very, very exciting thing to go to and wonderful. And I saw some things they're having to do with leadership and teamwork that is very difficult to find in the civilian world. And, and I think that some of the training they have could probably, help bring the nation together in purpose and strength and courage and honor and integrity, instead of everybody feeling like they're all off on their own, you know, everybody's on their own little planet here trying to carve out their, their niche in the world. When you see a group of people like this who actually have a team together, walking forward together, it's, it's really amazing. And, and, uh, I think I'm going to explore more of that as we go on, just, just the teamwork aspect of, uh, of what it's going to take to put the United States really back together. So anyhow, what, what's it, what's going on in your world today, Vicki? Well, I've been working on, I started on one story and as it always happens, you know, I, um, kind of expand out and pretty soon I'm working on about three or four. Uh, but, um, I've been working on one that, uh, is kind of a foreign subject to me because I'm not religious. But I've been listening to James Lindsay talk about religion within the context of communism. He says communism is a religion. It is. And so that was kind of, that was a foreign concept to me. But as I proceeded with my research, I remembered information that I got when I first started researching about Mikhail Gorbachev and the cult of Gaia. The cult of Gaia, which I'm not, Gaia is some kind of like God or something. god of the earth goddess of the earth and I remembered and I could never fit what I found out very early on about the cult of Gaia with the reinvention of government and Mikhail Gorbachev you know he came to the United States and set up business at the Presidio Nancy Pelosi facilitated that brand. And that's where all of the foundations and fundraising and propaganda production occurs. And the Tides Foundation is really kind of at the center of it. you know, how that fit, how Gaia, the cult of Gaia fit with Clinton's reinvention of government. And they really did change our form of government when they did the reinvention, because they were collectivizing our agencies of government, cross-agency boundaries, and they created a national information system with all this information collectivized. They corporatized it, in other words. You know, I worked in corporate IT and I designed and wrote systems for corporations. Well, when I saw it within government, that's... I mean, that just, that set me off because that's not our form of government to have that kind of centralization of power. Well, I agree with you in that it's kind of a religion because what they really want is people to worship the state. And so that's why what I've seen is that their goal is to get rid of God as we know him, and especially anything that would actually give the power to individuals in their specific relationship with God. And I honestly think that's one of the reasons why why they go after Christians so heavily. But that's also why we really need to be on watch on what people are saying and doing. And the only way you know that is if you study to find yourself approved. But there's this book, I was showing you this book before we got on, and it's the Biblical Blueprints series. And there's a huge amount of this that has been written about about how communism uses religions in order to take over as a tool. The popular religious system known today as liberation theology is an attempt to combine the revolutionary communism of Karl Marx and the language of certain passages in the Bible that make it sound as if the Bible preaches communism's bloody revolution and socialism. The humanistic version of the Bible's message of liberation never mentions either the divinity of Christ or the perfect humanity of Jesus Christ, which is different from his divinity, or salvation by faith in Christ alone, or the requirements of Christians to obey lawful authorities, or the transforming power of the gospel, or the transforming power of God's Holy Spirit, or the continuing requirements of God's law, or God's covenants of mankind, or the eighth commandment, that you shall not steal, or the tenth, you shall not covet, or a dozen other basic themes in the Bible. The Marxists do not believe in a God who created the world and will bring it to a final judgment. They only believe in man. And I think that that's one of the problems when you What I've seen as a very committed Christian who is not so much religious, but how do I say this? I have a little bit of a problem with a lot of the organized religions. I do not believe in the forsaking of assembling together as believers, but it's been used so much. And there's so much witchcraft in the churches right now. as well as some of the other line spirits that are going on. And you can see how they'll use that, the corporatocracy uses that, such as, for example, when you look at, say, how Amway and the DeVostas have built their globalist empire, and it is a globalist empire, it really is. They had partnered up with the Seven Mountains Churches, I believe, because that way you can kind of keep people staying in line, even if it's going in the wrong direction, because people won't question that for fear of basically pissing off God, right? so it it kind of takes the thinking part of it away and unfortunately people such as myself who literally question everything I think that's a a really healthy way to look at the world then no matter what anybody says you know about god or what they're teaching I'm I'm fairly suspect I really am I did a um a little bit of a dive into the Amway connection and the DeVos connection to the Ford aka Kissinger Museum. in Grand Rapids and how they donated the money and such, and also the symbolism, the satanic symbolism that surrounds that organization is undeniable if you're willing to look at it. But the problem is to say that out in West Michigan, Christian communities who are basically highly funded as NGOs, who shut down when Whitmer shut the state down, who did not do what they were supposed to do, the majority of them, in serving God's world here. Instead, they listened to the tyrannical government, which is highly influenced by money and by trying to combine it with a form of religion, but is devoid of God. So how's that for an explanation? That's really very good. I'm glad because I am highly I'm very critical of of the Christian church because and and and the cleaning of house with God judgment by God, the hand of God. And it's clear in the Bible. The judgment starts. It starts with a house of God. It starts with the church. It doesn't go right out there and point the finger at everybody else, which seems to be everybody's or a lot of people's M.O., They want to pick each other apart or they want to pick apart and find the boogeyman out there. They should be first looking at themselves and holding themselves to a standard. And then looking at the church itself and cleaning that mess up right now, which has become into a money scheme. When you look at anything that's an NGO and they're afraid of losing their tax-exempt status, of course they're going to shut down. And of course they're going to accept the COVID money and this, that, and the other thing. They're all lockstep. And I've got a real problem with this because I don't think that's what God intended. And quite honestly, Jesus was, he was not like Gentile Jesus with the lamb on his foot. He was a provocateur. He brought the fight to them. That's why they had to kill him. Because it was the religious segment of the population in Jerusalem. It was the religious element that killed him. It wasn't the Romans. Well, I think I mentioned last week that it was George W. Bush that established the Office of Faith-Based Partnerships to allow religions to bid for contracts for social services. So they basically privatized social services. you know, handing them over to... Lutheran services, on and on and on. I mean, let's just go ahead and name a few names out here because we're going to have to reclaim this entire system. Actually, it's got to be torn down to the ground because there's way too much corruption involved in all of these. systems, and they're actually not lawful under Norton v. Shelby County. They actually do not even exist. The only reason why they exist is because we agree to it. I'm surprised that nobody took it to the Supreme Court, but it was John Ashcroft who was the Attorney General when George Bush did that, and John Ashcroft is Forgive me for saying this, but he's one of those Bible-thumping, you know, Christian whatever, you know. And so he turned his back. He should have stopped it, but he didn't. He let George W. Bush, through executive order, establish the Office of Faith-Based Partnerships. And it's through those faith-based partnerships and the- They control the churches. They control areas of our government because as time progressed, those partnerships began to be funded for social services and local governments. And that's where you get all this community stuff. You know, community this, community that. Well, community communism is what you've got. You've got community Marxism. You're absolutely right on this. And their money laundering through a lot of these organizations are just money laundering schemes. And they're the ones that are stepping in and doing some some honestly really bad, bad things. I went to one place that that I've got some actually on the ground stories about this. And I was just kind of like disgusted and shocked. There's one organization here that somebody said, well, you know, a lot of times I go into the organizations and things. Just because I want to talk to everybody. But also, I'm pretty much in the critical thinking mode. One hundred percent of the time. OK, I never leave that mode. I really don't believe most of what I hear. until it proves out. But I give people a running chance to try to make a case that they're for real, right? So I go to this place and it used to be this neat little place that was supposed to be helping women at risk, right? Getting them out of overseas, you know, prostitution and this, that, and the other thing. So it was a nice little place. And so I went there to meet with the director and she never showed up. So this gal said, well, I'll show you around a little bit. So We walk around this place, and I couldn't believe it. I'm looking at this going, something is not adding up here. They had put on an addition, and I'm going to take a guess and say that addition was somewhere around a million-dollar addition. I would say that's not too wrong. It might have been a couple hundred thousand in either direction and probably up from that, actually. It's a big, big addition, right? They had all of these glass front offices. So now the price goes up because you've got expensive office space with really big ornate furniture in it with glass front offices. And I'm looking around and it's not ending up. We go upstairs. They've got this huge meeting room up there with a glass office conference room in the corner. And they had a, a, uh, uh, an area where they were doing crafts to support these women allegedly. And I'm like, well, I said, uh, are, aren't you like buying this to get these people overseas that they have a trade or something? Cause that's what they build themselves at. Well, no, we're, we're, we do a lot of this stuff here. There's only, there's just a, how many women are you actually helping? Uh, ten. And I'm sitting here looking at this going, Are you kidding me? And on top of it, they had two people in there. She said, well, you know, most people are working from home. And I'm sitting here looking at this going, no, this isn't making any sense. And right then and there, the... The censors went up dramatically. I've always wondered, had some problems with the nonprofits because a nonprofit is not a nonprofit. I saw it in hospice years ago when I was building some things for helping bereavement, uh, bereavement counseling type stuff. And I saw it in hospice when they would call themselves as nonprofit. But then there was a guy that was on the board that had a business off to the side and they were building, they were, they were buying stuff from his nonprofit and that's how they were shuffling the money in there. It's only that they have to show a nonprofit on the balance sheets. But they are doing through other kinds of contracts. They just have to whatever money comes in has to go out. Well, what better place to put it than in their own hands? And that's exactly what I saw. And then you see all of the human trafficking. They're doing it through the NGOs and these nonprofits. Yes. And corporations are funding nonprofits. And so, you know, they're writing it off their taxes. The Marxist social engineering that suits their business goals, they can write it off on their taxes. That's why corporations aren't paying much in taxes, because they write down so much of it. Well, I just saw something this week, too, that was amazing. So I got I got victimized in a signature gathering mess by first choice contracting. I think it's first choice something or other. And Sean Wilmoth. And we've got three people that are. having a criminal case against him with twenty seven felonies apiece that they're still dragging their feet on. I mean, this whole right to a speedy trial is just bullshit. It doesn't happen. And it's all posturing. It's all legal posturing going on. But we'll play the game because that's what you got to do sometimes just to until until somebody is in charge of this and tears it right down to what it should be. and which would be the constitution, make it compliant to the constitution as such. So anyhow, there was a report that came out that showed that DTE was paying first choice Which is a direct, there's a direct link there. Why is a corporation paying a company that does signature gathering, signature stuff, to determine who the candidates are that can be on the ballot? Because that's exactly what was happening. It was DTE that was, and we've got proof of this now. And so not only did they go after us and I had I've had the special prosecutor for special agent for the attorney general's office tell me directly, specifically said that they did this because they had to get you, Donna Brandenburg, off the off the ballot. And they threw a few other candidates in there to make it look like they weren't picking on you. But they said that's really what was going on there. And that's a special investigator for the AG's office that said that, as well as there's a couple other ones that have said that. But you look at what's going on here. I would say that there was a lot of other people who had their hand in this whole choosing candidates thing. at the signature level. The whole damn thing is rigged from bottom to top. And I'm going to be the one and I'm going to say the unpopular thing. Why did they let President Trump win? I'm pretty sure you're going to have the same feeling that I do, that I'm willing to see and play this out because I know that there's a lot of moving pieces right now. And I hope and pray to God that the good guys were behind this. and or that they were letting this play out so that they can actually kind of work within the system to a certain point but to clean the bad guys out we don't know but what I do know is that there's some things that are not adding up and I'm talking to a bunch of my friends who also have been digging into election integrity and I'm going to be saying it right now again we have to have a thorough investigation of this election because there's some things that are not adding up, big things that are not. And until we get an honest election, even though our guy won, I support President Trump. I supported him because his rights were violated as an American. That's why I supported him, because they literally broke the Constitution uh targeting him in so many ways entire and and his rights were violated we've got to go back and we have got to get this election system straightened out and honest or or or I feel like they set us up for the next election to be a big fall because they just kind of pacified mega shut up boys and girls your candidate won go home Don't look into it. There's nothing to see here. There's nothing to see here. Go home. Shut up. Your candidate won. And don't challenge it because something might happen to President Trump. Well, I believe he won by a much larger margin than what they allowed us to see. And so we don't have anything to hide. And first and foremost, we want an honest election. Somebody better get off their ass and start investigating this thing, because I think they took us in the judicial seats. and the school boards and all of this. There's some totals that came out that make no sense whatsoever. So I hope that this is going in a direction. I hope, I pray, this is going into a direction to fix this and that this was part of the plan going forward. That's fine. I'm okay with it. However, until we fix these elections, just wait. The revolvers right now pointed at our head for the next election. If we let this thing go, And we don't come clean with exactly. Besides that, if we're fighting the same battle, that kind of brought the Democrats around to say, wait, we might have actually cheated in the twenty twenty election. Yeah, you did. OK, the cheating was horrific in the twenty twenty election. We're going to have to fix this. We had two clerks in the U.P. kicked out of the system because they wanted to do paper ballots. They removed them. Somebody should be asking the question, why did they remove those clerks? It's a simple fix. Paper ballot and voting on voting day and count the ballots at the precinct with the cameras running. Yes. We still had them stop counting at ten thirty at night in Byron Township. Somebody was saying that they that they quit counting at ten thirty. It happened all around the state. I believe that to be true. And then they resume ten minutes later. Why would they do this? And is this you know, we we've got so many questions to answer and there's counts across the state that don't make sense. tool for cheating period end of story you know zero is security yeah and so I mean the whole thing is just stupid that you know we should have federal elections separate from state because there was one state that um they just had a boatload of stuff on their ballot Well, you know, when you put so much stuff on a ballot, it wouldn't make sense to have all that stuff that you'd have to count to count at the precinct. And I think that's what their objective was, is to discourage the idea of the ballots counted at the precinct. But if you had a separate ballot for federal, it'd be just a piece of cake to count them. Well, and think about this. I believe, because of the support for President Trump, that he probably won by a huge margin. So why would anybody say, no, we don't want to upset the apple cart? Yes, we do, because it's going to prove that he won by a much, much, much larger margin. I do believe that. And we're going to find the cheating. We're going to find these people. We're going to have to go take these people to task from top to bottom that have cheated in our elections. Because you can't just ignore it because you won the battle because you're going to lose the war. And that's how I feel about it. We're going to lose the war unless we deal with this. And yeah, yay, everybody feels great that we won the battle. I'm happy we won the battle. I really am. I loved it. what Kennedy came out with in asking for people's response. I really like JFK Jr. a lot. I really like him a lot. I'm a person that I look at the people, not so much the people they stand with, except for to figure out if they're on the right side of the line of ethics and honor and purpose, right? It's the vaccine step. It's what? Yeah, he supports, I believe he supports the Nationalized Medical Records System. And the- Kennedy does? Pardon me? Kennedy does. Yeah, I believe he does. Yes. I didn't know that. I know he's been taking that. Big Pharma as well as Big Pharma. He seems to defend people's rights. And I really like that about him. He'll go after an attorney. He's actually, you know, launched a bunch of lawsuits against Pharma and for people's rights. That's what I like. He actually cares about the people from what I can see. But I didn't know that. So I'd like to see some more on that. But I do like the guy a lot. I thought he was the most sincere person in politics that I actually met. An incredibly, incredibly sincere person. I like Rick Grinnell too. And I think Rick Grinnell for Secretary of State would be just absolutely amazing. Yeah, I think our State Department needs to be shut down. They do not represent the interests of the people of the United States. They represent the, what would you call the UN layer, the global governance layer. Maybe Rick Grenell would be good in there and take all that stuff down, take it all down. He's a hatchet man. He was given the task to take three hundred people out of a department for President Trump. That was his first task. I'm like, that's great. Good start. Now let's go after the entire departments, you know, and cut it, cut it back to what it's supposed to be. And we got we got to get the federal government out of our states. They got to be out of our states. And you know what? If we had a really good governor that wasn't playing politics, but got in there as a as a hatchet man or woman, and started chopping this thing down to size because that's what really needs to happen. Well, they bribe our politicians. There was one piece of legislation that I got involved opposing. What it did was to include a reference to the International Court at The Hague. Now, idea of it was that the Hague would, they made our state judges honor international court orders. It goes all back to these treaties, doesn't it? An international agreement. It is all about the treaties. They have sold out our country and sold out our people through these international agreements. And we are losing our country to a continental governing structure, regional governing structure that is the OAS, the Organization of American States, which links to the UN's, the acronym is ECLAC, E-C-L-A-C, But ECLAC is embedded right there at the United Nations. And all of this stuff that comes to us through the back door, through the State Department, through the Legislative Affairs Department, and our Congress votes on it. So they have clean hands when their hands are really dirty when it's all so dirty. That's how they're pushing the foreign policy to deconstruct our nation state. Once you understand how this system works, it's so easy to see it. You can see how it operates. Yeah, absolutely. It's like the one world government type thing. And let's just go back to that. That's what the Bible talks about. This is the one world, the new world order, you know, and and that's that collectivism has been something that as human beings, it's a flaw of ours because we want to control as human beings. Human beings want to control each other. They want to control each other. They want to grab for power. And I think that comes, honestly, I think it comes from a lack of faith in God. Because if you don't let God rule your life, your mind, your day, your thoughts, and you have faith that he's good all the time and doing what's best, then you try to become God. And that's the dividing line. When I talk to people, that's the dividing line that I see. You either follow God or you set yourself up to try to control this out-of-control world as making yourself God. My focus is on trying to serve God in whatever He asks me to do. And that may be in unusual circumstances or whatever it is, as long as it's honest. I wish he would never ask anybody to do that was a dishonest or lacked integrity. But even if it's out of an area of expertise for me and he asks me to do it, I will absolutely say yes. And I really felt called by God to run for governor. I really did. And I think that more importantly, I jumped in and saw how corrupt this was and was able to look at it But, you know, objectively, because I didn't want anything, I didn't need anything and I didn't want anything. So they couldn't compromise me by the promises stuff. But I found out exactly where the failings were, which is kind of one of the things I think you have to have. is an outsider looking at and analyzing things because not being part of the system is a huge advantage. Because what am I going to do? First of all, I really don't like money that much. It's one of those things that just makes people stupid. And I just really wanted my country back, plus really nothing. But I think that going forward, we've seen that the people are still too, Comfortable and apathetic. I saw that with President Trump, and I saw it at the Republican National Convention. And I was sitting up in the stands with friends of mine, and I'm sorry for talking so much about this, but I think you'll appreciate this. I was up in the stands with a couple friends of mine, and I just looked at him and I said, I'm seeing the spirit of idolatry here. And what comes with that is if people set someone up as an idol, they will sit back and not become engaged, but, you know, put their faith in something else. And they think that that absolves them from the responsibility of moving forward. I totally agree on that. Because, you know, when I started really looking closely at, the systems of government and the political system relative to the promotion of changing those systems, I noticed that Republicans, they work hard to get somebody elected, and then it's like they go to sleep. Once they get their guy in office, they go to sleep. And I assume it's the same on the other side, but I don't know. because I never really watched the Democrats that closely. Well, it turns into a popularity contest, and that's what I see most politics are, is a popularity contest instead of, okay, we've got to get people that can step in and be in these systems that will have a sense of purpose, run it for honor and integrity. If this state, if Michigan was run correctly, I think people would be absolutely shocked if we had the right person in there at not only the prosperity for the citizens of Michigan. Well, they're trying to bring our country down. So how do you do that? You impoverish the citizens. You export your manufacturing. You import foreign labor under the World Trade Organization. You know, you got your middle class, the accountants, the engineers, the systems analysts like I was, the lawyers. Yale gave a billion dollars to India to train lawyers. Well, and I think when I say idolatry turning President Trump into an idol, it's not his fault. It's the people's fault. And when you see what happened in say like Moses' time with the golden calf, wasn't the golden calf's fault. It was the people's fault. The lack of discernment or faithfulness or long-suffering and such. And this has happened over and over and over again. There's nothing new under the sun. But until everybody decides that this is our problem individually, it is our problem to hold every bit of this to a standard of integrity, that we are so far above board on what we do over the top honest that honestly that even the Democrats and our and our enemies are said enemies it says it in the Bible I mean this is nothing new people this is in the Bible that even our enemies will live at peace with us because they know that we are absolutely spotless with our integrity in doing things that not only to defend them but to defend each other we have to be that standard that God has in the Bible and we have to have absolute, absolute, uh, consistency, consistent behavior. And that we, that's, that's one of the things that makes a good horse horse trainer for people who, uh, rescue horses, which I do. You have to be absolutely consistent every time if you want trust. And, uh, I don't know. And when you start seeing spirits, uh, walk into, uh, walk into a national entity, which I did. Absolutely. And I the people I was sitting with, I'm like, this is idolatry. And they, they probably they were in agreement with me. And we just sat there up in the top of the of the arena there. And we were just kind of like, Okay, let's see where this goes. Well, I think that's the political consultants, really. And it is, you know, they are and this is true on both sides. They are top notch propagandists and manipulators of people. Money, money, money. And money. Yeah, that's a big part of it. I actually had one of them tell me that that came because I had so many good helpers when I decided to run. No, they're not helpers. They're groomers. They're political groomers to see if you're going to fall in line. And if you don't, good luck with that. They're going to target you, whether it's your signatures or anything else, or try to buy you off or compromise you. That's what they're going to do. He actually said, if you want somebody taken out and admitted to being able to pull off a hit, I made a very quick call to uh a very good friend who is high up in the military establishment said here's some names because this girl doesn't play and I'm like we're done with this conversation there's the door goodbye wow can you imagine I mean in to to imagine how many people in the system that have been compromised it's, it's, it's unreal because of their lack of integrity, honesty, or they're being threatened. You know, I mean, I, I, I had a couple of people that, you know, that, that person absolutely was threatening me. There's no, no two ways about it. Cause he got right in my face and was doing the, try to do the power move. And I'm sitting here just looking up at him, you know, and, and going, yeah, this isn't going to work well for you. You know, that's what you have to do. I mean, you know, that, I would never run for public office because I'm not a certain kind of stupid to do it. I'm just going to tell you that right now. You got to be a little bit crazy, you know, or that you have radical Christianity to follow God into whatever he asks you to do. Yeah. Well, I'm not a public person at all, period. I had to. will myself to start calling into radio stations and start talking about this stuff. And this was way back in the early two thousands. I had to force myself to do it because it was more important than my abhorrence at the idea of being public on any level. But it was more important that I do this because I knew that I could do the research and figure out what was happening. And that's really what we needed at the time, I thought, was to figure out what the heck is going on. You know, this is the country I live in, but this is not the country I was born in. So, but was it, I mean, you know, that's the other thing too. It's like, it's like we were, everything was so sanitized that it may have been that way, but we just didn't know it because when you look at all the satanic influences and the culture, I mean, this is nothing new. You know, you go, you can go back to, to all of the cults that were around at Jesus's time. they're still there. And, you know, it's just, they've rebranded under different names. And it's just a regurgitation of the past. Well, and according to what I've been listening to with James Lindsay, the United Nations was born out of this cult religious religion and not a specific religion but the ideology of global governance mixed in with religiosity and I think he's I think he's absolutely right the more I look at it the more I read the more I I'm sure that he's right and You know, when did the religiosity begin in the United States? Well, it began with Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter was an evangelical nutcase. they it's it's it's blasphemy I was sitting in a meeting and they literally they literally in byron township here they prayed to jesus and I'm like I'm not sure we're praying at the same jesus right now I'm just going to tell you that because you know how I and I asked him I said here you pray to jesus in the name of jesus and you sit there and you just basically screwed every one of these people came here that are citizens. And would you want to be treated the way that you treated these people in here? And I said it right out in front of the meeting. They kind of shunk back in their in their seats because I'm like, I'm not here to negotiate. I'm here to speak truth. And they couldn't answer that. And I'm like that when you use the name of God. And in that way to try to take people cast captive, you're a, you are blaspheming the name of God. You are using God to capture people's attention so that they trust you. And it's one, it is absolutely abhorrent and it's despicable. And I, I just, I have no, no, no tolerance for it whatsoever. Yeah. I totally agree with you on that. How that's what, Organized religion is about, as far as I'm concerned, it is to gather an army of, I don't know that they're all Bible-believing, but I mean, the central theme of their group is that religion. And it seems like that once they join a group, they give up their brain. You know, they put their brain to sleep. And they don't think anymore. That's why I could never join a group. Because if I can't buy in one hundred percent, then I can't be a part of the group because I can't handle those kinds of conflicts. You know, if if I believe something, I believe it. But that doesn't mean I believe this, that and the other. You know, but that's the way groupthink works. You know, they control the brains of the people who join. And because that people are afraid of giving up those relationships that they put time into or being ostracized, they won't speak up even if they see something wrong. And that and or the communication becomes hostile. We see that in the political parties right now. So like the Republican Party in Kent County is having some struggles, some large struggles. And I think that the state in general, the Republican Party has basically absolutely no leadership. There's three factions going on in the state of Michigan. And they refuse to come together. They're not coming together because there's no, and they did the same thing. And I would allege that this came from the Republican Party in Michigan. They had twelve candidates that were running. And guess what? You could see as a person from a marketing background, and I had nothing to do with any of them. I'd never been to even one. cookie exchange or coffee or anything like that. Cause I pretty much hated them all. Okay. I'm like, I will not sit down with liars, cheats and thieves. I will not sit down with people that are playing these low IQ popularity games to say, yay, who's our favorite sports team and divide the state up. I find it just despicable. It's a horrific thing to me because we should be standing together as one nation under God, not political parties, not this nonsense. But we have, you know, I follow this person or I follow that person or this. You know, do you do you follow this person or not? And they won't talk to you again. It's crazy. And I'm like, well, I actually have a savior. His name is Jesus Christ. And I'm not looking for another one right now because he pretty much did the job. So. You know, it's just nuts. It's such a it's such a a distraction away from what is truth away from. And you can see it in the behavior. You know, all you got to do is look at the behavior of people when they go down that path. And their behavior becomes, well, let's just win at all costs and not do our due diligence to hold to a standard. And that's, quite honestly, I've been pretty sad since the election because I was looking at people and going, yep, they're going to... you know, be happy that that President Trump got in. They pacified everybody and they're going to turn around and go home and expect President Trump to fix everything for them. That's not how this works. I've been a little bit encouraged to see that there's a lot more people that are like thinking the way I am than I expected. So I think that actually that we've actually made some incredible grounds in waking people up to the fact that things are not right and that we are going to have to continue to address these situations until they're right. And it starts with each of us looking into our own hearts and realizing that we are going to follow a standard. And that's exactly what you said right there. You are in fact following the standard of your own conscience by not by not going in and just shut up and go along to get along kind of stuff. And I, I, I gotta say, I've got a lot of respect for you for it. Oh, well, thank you. I, I, I really had no choice in the matter. You know, I, I could see that something was terribly wrong and I just, I couldn't turn my back on it because I, I, I mean, it sounds trite and it sounds boilerplate, but I really do care about the future for the children of our country. I do, too. And they are not going to be free if we don't do this, if we don't roll back this Marxist international agenda. Satanist agenda. Yeah, well, that's part of it. That's the part of it where the Gaia comes in, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, these people are so evil. How do you go after children? How do you not want them to enjoy their childhood? Why do you bring them in and all this adult stuff? which was on purpose. It didn't start with Greta Thornburg and it didn't start with our local school, but that was part of the school agenda. Workforce development. They're not children. They're little miniature workers. Robots. And so, you know, we don't have to teach them to read beyond fourth grade. We don't have to introduce them to the classics, you know, where they study the problems of the heart and, you know, the... I don't know what you'd call it, the dilemma, the torment of people when they're working through a human problem. Ethics, just understanding the fight between what's right and what's wrong, good versus evil. Well, they threw that right out the door when they threw God out the door because there's no standard. And then they can go, well, you know, I don't have, I listened to a conversation that somebody was having about abortion. That's just a clump of cells. It's like, this is from a younger person. I'm like going, ah, you're pretty extra sure you haven't seen exactly what they're doing with full-term abortions. And such, it's like, how can you even be that stupid to even say that? It's just because they've been brainwashed, you know? And something brought up that, well, yeah, but they're selling baby parts. How do you justify this? How do you justify this? You're not looking into it. And how is it that Satan has blatantly come out and say, it's a sacrament. It's a satanic sacrament. I think there's a big problem here, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's absolutely everything. I don't know when... our country lost integrity. I don't know. I blame the United Nations for so much of it because that's the idea is to have global governance under the UN to blend cultures and peoples as if there is no difference between Well, the whole reason for the Westphalian system of nation states is because there are differences in culture. You know, and I personally don't want to change the culture of other countries. And I sure as hell don't want them coming in here and bringing their culture. Yeah, some of it's got some really, really differences. You know, people, I think, are pretty much similar in most places. But you know what? We like to be with our tribes. We like to be with the things that are familiar. You grow up with things. They're familiar. It's kind of fun to partake in some of the other things. But those core things that we were born in with our families and such. That those bonds that we have, you don't get that by being like all over the place all the time and trying this and trying that. It creates instability. Mm-hmm. And I actually I don't know if you listen to me talk about this the other day, but I actually was at a meeting last week and it was a superintendent of a school that said, we're having trouble teaching the soft skills. So we're I want you to listen to what was said, because I'm still in shock because I sat there going, am I the only one that heard this? You know, and I was like kind of disgusted. But he literally said, we're having trouble teaching soft skills. So what we found is that when we put our high school students with an unfamiliar adult, not a teacher, not a parent, that they open up. I'm like... This guy is talking about grooming children. I'm sorry. I'm not buying what he said. And it's like, so you want to destroy the family, pull kids away from their parents so they have another primary relationship that is not their family, not part of the community, but completely unattached. So there's no accountability. Uh-huh. Yeah, I think society. Are you kidding me? I would be like hauling my kids behind out of that school so fast and and calling that that guy right out for for either being part of something really nefarious or being really stupid. But I'm not sure which it is. But man, there there should be some serious critical thinking going on with that. Yeah, I think our whole system. as it pertains to education, you know, the regional organizations, which is where they push a lot of this stuff. I think it all needs to be taken down and K- twelve education needs to be totally local with parental involvement. And they should go back to learning to read and mathematics and language arts, just the basics, period. Service, teach those things that give them, you know, just like I went to the military or the Marine Ball this weekend and was watching the training and the teamwork that was actually being cultivated there. And it was all about service under God from where we were. It was really amazing. And the purpose and The sense of community, the honor, the valor, all of those things are being lost and going into, hey, you're a special snowflake. So throw your temper tantrum and you'll get your way and then you'll be better than everybody else. That's what I see. And you'll provide entertainment for people on the Internet once you grow up and, you know, throw a tantrum in the airport or something. Oh, gosh, it's crazy. Well, Vicki, thank you for coming on today. I think I was supposed to go to Washington, D.C. this week, but the trip got canceled. So I'm kind of glad just to be home this week, honestly. So if we get everybody else back on here one of the days, I'll let you know what time it is because your insight into treaties and into the the technocratic communism and that whole system is amazing. I would, I would, uh, ask you if you want to get this, this book right here, liberating planet earth, the biblical blueprints, you're going to find that how, um, the communist had to use religion to take over a culture and, uh, and, and why, why they've used Christianity so much as not just Christianity to use any religion in order to manipulate populations. instead of understanding what was said. I mean, it's, it's pretty sobering, but I think they do a pretty good job. And it's by Dr. Gary North. And yeah, you only find that on like a used book, you know, used book thing. I've got all of the books in the system or the series, except one. And I would encourage you to maybe, maybe take a look at that because it probably would be really a blessing to you. So, Thank you for coming on today, my friend. And we'll see you next Monday. Love you to pieces. And we will be right back with Chuck Chrismeyer and or Charles Chrismeyer. And we're going to be talking about persecution. I believe it's coming to and how to deal with it. Be right back in about thirty seconds. Good morning and welcome to the second hour of Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and I want to welcome my guest, Chuck Christmeyer. Did I say that right? You said it very well. I'm so proud of you. Thank you so much. Well, it's wonderful talking with you today. And usually I don't talk to many of my guests beforehand because I just wanted to go in cold and say, Jesus, take the wheel and see what happens here. So, but, but I looked at your website and let me bring that up a minute. It's save America, save us.org and rebuilding faith and freedom in America's greatest crisis hour. I love, I love where you're going with this. And we were just talking about that before you came on and, and how, you know, communists have used religion to lead people astray. And I have a feeling you and I are going to agree on many subjects. Well, that's true. And it's not just communists. It's the new global order that is being put into place. And they know they seriously need a religious component to the new globalistic enterprise that is in process. And so that's going to go beyond communism that is going to interweave even many portions of Christianity and other religions to make it acceptable to the broadest possible demographic across the world in order to facilitate this new global order that's coming on. Yeah, it's a little disturbing. So what would you like to talk about today? Well, you know, there's so many things that we can talk about. Let's just start with with looking at what has just taken place. And you probably dealt with it in a number of different ways concerning this election. This election is not primarily about conservatism or liberalism. It's not primarily about immigration or abortion or the economy, in spite of the fact that Bill Clinton told us it was all about the economy, always. The real issue here, the fundamental issue, has not been talked about because they're afraid to talk about it. The real issue is globalism. And so when Donald Trump came down the golden escalator in two thousand fifteen and declared, we're going to make America great again, that was like a declaration of war, a declaration of war against those who had already, both Democrat and Republican, had already determined that they were on the near edge of fulfilling the rebuilding of the ancient Tower of Babel, so to speak. And so you talk about the World Economic Forum and their Agenda, you talk about the United Nations and their Agenda, all of them had this as their goal. When Donald Trump said, we're going to make America great again, it was like the ultimate offense to them. Therefore, they determined they had to do whatever it took, whatever it took to destroy him and to prevent him from monkeying in their globalist machinery, which they felt was right on the near edge of fulfillment. So that's really the background of what took place. You don't hear it talked about hardly anywhere, if anywhere. But if you understand that, then you can understand where it fits in the broader or biblical picture of the times that we're living in. The Apostle Paul called them perilous times, and there are many features and factors to the perilous times. But one of those is this culminating event to merge the entire world, or certainly the Western world, the resurrected Roman Empire into this new globalist agenda that will repudiate God. It does repudiate God and raises government, man and his government as the ultimate savior to provide, to protect, to preserve. And of course, that culminates in the infamous Mark of the Beast, which is the declaration that every human being will be required to make, a la Revelation XIII and XIV, to pledge their allegiance and their total dependence on this new world government. And so if we understand that, then we can also understand why you cannot put your ultimate hope and trust in Donald J. Trump because that would be tantamount to the very same spirit that the globalists are going after. So yes, we're grateful. Yes, we can believe that God in his mercy gave us another reprieve, a second reprieve. But the question is, will we seize the life rope that has expended to us? Will we receive it and do something with it? Will we indeed come to grips with the problems, the spiritual problems undergirding the very election problems? It was all spiritual. It had manifestations in the practical, in the economic, in the immigration, abortion, and so on. And as serious as those issues were, they were not the ultimate real issue. We are moving inexorably toward this new global government that the prophets have foretold. The book of Revelation tells us about it. And so the question is, in this, shall we say, hyphenated period over the next three and a half, four years, will we do what God called us to do in the first hyphenated period, starting in to this thousand sixteen? Will the church professing Christians come to a place of not only confession of our errors, our sins, but also repentance. Repentance is our only hope. Repentance is our only hope. And the repentance does not come from the pagans. God is looking for his people to repent. That's our only hope. Yeah, that's a biggie right there because so many people right now are still dependent on this entire system. They're dependent on it. Exactly. checks. It's like from getting contracts for, you know, it's basically the beast is feeding them and they're feeding the beast. And we're going to have to go back to a much simpler life, I believe, and put our time into the people around us. We have a pastor in this area that actually stood up and he was threatened to lose their Hats off to you. I thought that was great that he did it. But it's going to be a challenge for people on their own personal level to maintain a standard. And that standard, in my opinion, is the Bible. That we go back to that God's word is where we get that standard. And it's where we need to start to determine ethics, purpose, integrity, and honor. Well, you know what, Donna? This takes us back all the way into the early nineteen seventies, right after the sexual revolution and the great rebellion of the baby boomer generation in the nineteen sixties. And that's an era in which I'm very familiar with. We were married in nineteen sixty six, right in the midst of that. I taught public school starting from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy five in Southern California, which was the period in which America's entire educational system was being discarded and changed into a completely different viewpoint of education where feelings became the mark of true intelligence. We were actually required as public school teachers to go to special training sessions on the weekend to learn how to In other words, we could not talk in terms of facts. We could not talk in terms of opinions. We had to say, I feel. Everything had to be phrased, I feel. Well, that spirit in the secular world was transferred into the church house through the church growth movement that began in Pasadena, California, where I lived and where I practiced law as a trial lawyer for twenty years. Fuller Seminary was the place out of which that came, the church growth movement. There was a fellow by the name, he bought the, excuse me, built the Crystal Cathedral. Oh, yes. Schuller, Robert Schuller. Robert Schuller. And he was, shall we say, the instigator of the church growth movement. He was the public face of it, but he wasn't the only driver of it. But Robert Shuler trained major pastors during that period of time. Some of which, if I were to mention their names, people would gasp. I want to hear that. Well, Bill Hybels was one of them. And the, oh, what's his name now? Anyway, it'll come to me. There were two guys, very, very well known. One wrote The Purpose Driven Life. And those two guys were the premier disciples of Dr. Robert Schuller in the church growth movement. They developed massive movements within the so-called evangelical community all across America and around the world. That drove the church growth movement hugely. And what was the characteristic of the church growth movement? Well, It was to change the biblical purpose for the church. God's purpose for the church was you make disciples. We determined our purpose was to make converts, not to make disciples. Oh, I love that. That's wonderfully said. Well, Jesus said, I'll build my church. You make disciples. we decided that it was more marketable to build churches and not make disciples. And so that was the characteristic of the church growth movement. Now, in order for that to take place, there had to be gradual compromises in the nature of the truth that was taught or not taught. Because if you're going to grow, if your primary purpose is to grow churches, then you've got to please people. So we shifted from pleasing God to pleasing people gradually. And it was all based around feelings, just like in the secular world. We had to cater to people's feelings, not God's concerns, but people's concerns. The whole pattern of presenting the truth of the gospel was changed to marketing. So the market became the master And the master became little more than a mascot. But it didn't end there. OK. Well, next. That went to the nineteen eighties. OK. Then in the nineteen nineties, it shifted to the seeker sensitive movement. The seeker sensitive movement was the church growth movement on steroids. And so increasingly, and this is where the mega churches were born. They were born out of the church growth movement and accelerated by the seeker sensitive movement. So if you consider that your primary purpose for the church gathered is to deal with so-called seekers who are not believers, then you're going to gradually forsake the discipling of the saints. And so the followers of Christ were left in a lurch, not being truly discipled, not being prepared for genuine biblical life. And therefore, ultimately not prepared for the persecution that Jesus said was going to come upon the earth. That's why a year and a half ago, the Holy Spirit put on my heart to write my eleventh book called When Persecution Comes, Preparing Hearts for Perilous Times. I'll put that up here a minute because I did pull it up on Amazon in case anybody wants to check that out. I am really curious to see and to know what you wrote about in that and how you would prepare hearts for perilous times. Well, that's good. And by the way, the book, some people might think, well, that's kind of scary. Persecution, I don't want to think about that. Well, Jesus said you better think about that because if they persecuted me, they're going to persecute you. Why do you think you should be different than your Lord? His brother James talked about count it all joy when you fall into many trials and temptations. That includes persecutions for the trying of your faith works, patience and patience, so on. And then the apostle Paul talked about it. The apostle John talked about it. The apostle Peter talked about it. So all of the epistles talked about persecution. Now you say, well, I don't want to think about persecution. In America, it's almost impossible for us to think about it because we've lived lives of such comfort and security and prosperity for so long that it's very difficult for us to consider, even consider that Christians in the United States could possibly have to endure some measure of persecution. And that goes back to the whole concept, Donna, of American exceptionalism. We've gotten the idea that through the prosperity that God has afforded to us, that somehow we're the exception to everything that's ever happened in the world, including God's law, including God's word, including the warnings of scripture. not going to happen to us because we're americans the problem is it is happening and it's happening quickly it's moving rapidly it's moving not through uh just the uh the far east in china and in nigeria where sixteen thousand uh plus sixteen thousand seven hundred christians in the last four years were butchered for their faith Another sixteen thousand fled their homes because of massive persecution. It's not just there. With anti-Semitism rising throughout the world, including Amsterdam just this last weekend, a new Kristallnacht, and including what's happened in America's universities and colleges, the entire world now is enveloped with massive anti-Semitism that's growing And on the cusp or heels of that comes the persecution that Jesus said was going to come. We got a bit prepared. So the book deals not primarily with striking fear into the hearts of people. But as a good trial lawyer, such as I was for many years, I want to prepare the people for understanding why we're bringing this case, so to speak, to God's people. and then provide the direction the hope the direction okay seeing that these things are real they're going to happen jesus said they're going to happen don't think that you're going to be excused from it don't think you're going to be out of here if you were out of here before any of that happened then all the warnings of scripture were deemed moot jesus didn't know what he was talking about Paul didn't know what he was talking about. Peter didn't know what he was talking about. James didn't know what he was talking about. John didn't know what he was talking about. All of their words were spurious and meaningless, yet they were all directed to professing Christians. We must get prepared. And so the book deals with that. You might have some responses, and then I would be happy to go into some detail with regard to how that is being done in this book. Yeah, we have a couple responses here. It's like, I read that Christians in Mass ran from the public square during the Scopes Monkey Trials, and Rick Warren wrote The Purpose-Driven Life. Rick Warren also supports Chrislam. Well, it's true. And also, he is the one that went over to the Vatican and joined with a number of major Christian leaders from this country to pretty much set the stage for, can't we all just get together and have a nice lovey-dovey faith? And when you know that Pope Francis now has come out just recently and declared that all religions worship the same God. Now, that's the same thing that George W. Bush said within a month after the nine eleven debacle. First, he said Muslims, Jews and Christians worship the same God. And two weeks later, he said all religions worship the same God. So the stage has been set to use religion as what Tony Blair, the former prime minister of UK said, religion has become the new politics, the new politics. That is what the globalists are counting on to unite the world so that they can bring in their secular world order. And on the heels of that comes persecution. When you talk about raising up disciples, could you describe the process and what the difference is between disciples and converts? Yes. Okay. Well, a convert is one who comes to the place of making a confession. Yes, I believe there's a God. Yes, I believe in Jesus Christ. Yes, I believe I'm a sinner and so on. And so I declare that I'm going to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. But Jesus said, not everyone who says unto me, Lord, Lord, is going to inherit the kingdom. Only those who do the will of my father. Discipleship is about teaching people to obey God. The Great Commission is not about evangelism. The great the thrust of the Great Commission is to teach people to obey everything I've commanded, said Jesus. We've shifted the purpose. Why did we shift the purpose? Because discipleship does not sell well. It doesn't market well. But evangelism does because we notch our belts with the latest ones that we say have given a confession, signed a card, raised a hand, and so on. What we have been doing is deceiving ourselves into thinking that by creating babies, we have created disciples. No. A disciple is one who follows Jesus. There were many people in Jesus' day that traipsed around with him and watched his miracles, and they thought everything was wonderful, great, hunky-dory, and so on. But Ultimately, when Jesus put him to the test and he said, if you don't buy into everything that I am, you can't be my disciple. Guess what? They all left. Every single one of them left. So he turned to his disciples, his twelve disciples, and he said, are you going to leave too? And they answered, well, where will we find? Where will we find the answer to eternal life? What we need to understand from the biblical perspective, going all the way back to God's treatment with Israel and so on, is that ultimately God is calling out a remnant, a remnant of people who will be his true followers. His true followers. Those are the true disciples. Those are the true disciples. And so think about it this way, Donna. If we somehow think that we're exempt from the persecution that Jesus said was coming upon the earth, we have automatically disqualified ourselves from being prepared. We will not be prepared. It would be like a parent. who knows that their child has a propensity to run out in the street or a propensity to pick up a gun or something, the law would hold them responsibility. But the parent says, well, no, I love my child. I don't want to put that burden on them. I don't want to do that. Pastors are doing the same thing. You see, they say in the name of love, I'm not going to prepare them because they're threatened by that. You know, they might leave my congregation. They might not put the tithe in the offering. Of course, tithing is virtually out anyway because less than four percent of evangelical Christians tithe anymore. So they're robbing God anyway. So in any event, what we're doing, we're actually setting the stage in our country for failure, the falling away that the Apostle Paul warned about in Thessalonians, that before the identification of the counterfeit Christ or the Antichrist, by the way, I wrote a whole book called Antichrist, how to identify the coming imposter. That was just before this book. So in any event, what we've done, we've actually prepared people unwittingly to be unprepared. Now that we would call child abuse in our homes, wouldn't we? If a parent refuses to prepare a child and prevent them from walking in certain ways, doing certain things and not training them up in the ways that God said they should be trained. It's child abuse from God's perspective. So we can't play that game anymore because we're on the near edge of the second coming. We don't know the day or the hour, but we can certainly see the season. And just because we might've been given a reprieve in this country for another three and a half, four years, that doesn't mean it ain't coming. It is coming and it's coming rapidly. It's coming rapidly. And so this book, I believe, is a message of mercy to God's people. Not threat, but mercy. Because God in his mercy knows what's coming. He knows we're not prepared. And he wants us to be prepared. And so the spirit of this book is please listen carefully. Be prepared. Let's not play the game anymore. Let's be true followers of Jesus. He said, if they persecuted me, they're going to persecute you. Don't you think you should be different than your Lord? Let's get ready. I think that's wonderful words for today because I think that there's a lot of people that have a true quandary right now because of all the programming that's been thrown at us over the past decades. Sure. You get into these ridiculous discussions of what's a man or a woman, and I'm like, I don't even know how to help that, right? It's like, I don't know about you, but we have a farm. Nobody on the farm is confused about what a male and a female are. The horses aren't confused. Dogs not confused. Chickens aren't confused. I understand that you like to deal with horses. Yeah, I do. And you horse around a bit. Yeah, they do. But they're not confused. They're never confused, right? Exactly. And by the way, I love horses. I wish I had one. But because I can't have one, I have a whole lot of gorgeous horse heads around. It's just, they're beautiful critters. Makes you happy, doesn't it? It does. And Jesus is coming back on a horse. And which is like perfect, right? Exactly. Revelation chapter nineteen. He's coming back on his high horse. And it ain't going to be pretty when he does. I don't know. I think if you're on his side of the truth, probably it's going to be glorious, right? You know, we commissioned a special painting to be done. And it's in our home with Jesus riding that white horse with the gown as described in Revelation. And, you know, the sword in his hand and the bloodstained gown. And he's riding through the clouds of heaven. It's just magnificent. It keeps our eyes focused. I was just we have a house church. And have had for thirty two years. And I was standing there with the people and I looked at that painting. And all of a sudden it was like Jesus eyes were riveted on me. It was like he was saying, son. Keep pressing on. Follow me. Don't give up. Keep pressing on. When you have God talking to you and you know he's talking to you when he does, the Holy Spirit shows you. I'm looking for a picture right now that I'm going to post real quick so you can see this because you're going to think this is fun. When you see God talking to you directly, it is such a glorious moment because you know that your Father, your Heavenly Father is there. And he will never forsake you. And he does lead you every step of the way. And honestly, that's the only way. That doesn't mean we can't forsake him, though. Oh, well, yeah, of course. But yeah, there is that. I mean, I think that's another thing that we really need to talk about is that I see a lot of witchcraft in the churches. And I see people treating God like he's a vending machine for their wishes, which that's not his thing. This is his sandbox. He gets to make the rules. And we're supposed to follow those rules. And there's a reason why we're supposed to follow those rules. Wait a minute, Donna. You think he's God? I do. I actually do think he's God. Well, see, he tried to convince Israel of that over and over again. He said, hey, guys, I'm God. Why can't you get that into your thick heads? I'm God, and there is none other. Oh, look at that. Look at that. The girl mounting her high horse. That must be a sixteen and a half, seventeen foot hand. You're pretty good. Yes, that's about it. It's a free. That's so great, Donna. Yeah, he's a free. He's just he he's he's really he's really nice. He's really super nice. That is so great. You need to email it to me. I will. I will. I've got lots of pictures. I'll tell you that we have, we have a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, And I haven't been back to Michigan since, but I've sent sort of a little drawing to maybe come back there. Well, you should come back and visit because, you know, we're trying to write this state and, you know, people's hearts. You got a tough call, girl. You think? This is like a special kind of crazy. The only person crazy enough to tackle this and actually keep going is somebody who rides horses because that is a special crazy all by itself. It's amazing. If you and your wife come up this way, then you're always welcome here. And I do have a place for you to stay and you'd be welcome. Well, thank you. That would be wonderful. So, yeah, there's a lot to do. And I look at people right now, and our nation is so hurting. And, you know, unfortunately, Christianity as a religion has been sold as a, you know, they're going to tell you what not to do. And after they've been told for decades to follow, you know, Pike and say, and Crowley, do what thou will. And whatever you want to do, you just go ahead and do it. Well, you know what? It doesn't work that way. Well, let your feelings lead the way. That's the whole issue, isn't it? The lordship of feelings. And it's not just in the secular world. It's in God's house. And that's where the problem lies. God says, if my people, you guys who call yourself by my name, would humble yourselves, that means you've got to come into agreement with me. If we're not in agreement with everything that God has said in his word, that means we're in disagreement with him. We're actually dissing God as God and making ourselves surrogate gods. You want to know what happened in Michigan this week that just totally should be shocking. There was a professor at Michigan State University who sent something out to the students that basically talked about how sad she was. She had to grieve and stay home because Donald Trump won and offering therapy services for the people that are having a problem dealing with this. And it's like, so I guess the person that's the most offended or that's the most sad just won the contest of being in control. You know what? I'm pretty extra sure that anybody that's that weak should never be in control of anything. You don't make it. You don't make weakness as a badge of honor. I mean, that's like the patheticness. That's like the patheticness badge of shame. It should be. You know, you shouldn't go into things and be cowardly about it. And that's supposed to make everybody go, wow, you're really super feeling rich. No, that means you're a coward and you're afraid to face reality. the things that really need to be dealt down. And I always say, I think all these people that are snowflakes, soy boys and cowards just need to get out of the way and let the actual adults step in and fix this mess. Well, the problem with that, Donna, is that half the country are snowflakes. At least. In one degree or another. Some of them are hardcore snowflakes. Others are just melting snowflakes. But half of the country, let's put it this way. we have what is called a political designation called blue states and red states right everybody now understands what that means but let's look at it from a spiritual standpoint why are they called blue states and red states it's because the blue states have abandoned the fear of the lord wholesale the hope the fear of the lord is the foundation of all wisdom So if you abandon the fear of the Lord, you're left only to your own whim, your feelings, your emotions. That's what's going to govern you. The red states still have a strong remnant of the fear of the Lord. That's the reason why they are radically different in their political expression. So the problems that we're facing are not primarily political. It's a spiritual war that we're in. The political is downstream from the spiritual battle that's already been largely lost. That way. Yeah. So look, that was clearly expressed a couple of weeks ago when Kamala Harris was encountered in a rally. The couple of guys who posted a banner saying, Jesus is king. And then others behind him said, Jesus is Lord. And her response was, mockingly laughing at them was, well, you're not welcome here. You don't belong in this rally. You belong at the one down the street. What she basically said was the concept of Jesus as Lord, Christ as King is not part of what it means to be a Democrat in America. That's what she said. So that tells us why we have this massive division. And the division is so great that only God by his spirit through a massive revival, beginning with confession and then repentance in God's house. That's our only hope. Absent that, the persecution is going to rise and rise and rise until it's overwhelming in this country. Well, it's a humbling of our hearts before God. I mean, it really is. It's him. This is his sandbox. He's our father. We're his children. We're not him. We're not God. We are God's children. And we make a lot of mistakes. I thought children were supposed to obey their parents in the Lord for this is right. Yeah, that's where we learn because when you're a child, it's like all of us who have children, we can tell you that children are not these little perfect beings. They're spending full time. They're born into sin. They're wonderful. But we were born into sin. You ever give a kid time out? And I always thought that's kind of a ridiculous thing. I'm more creative. I was always more creative with my discipline with my kids. It's like give them time out for ten minutes. They've got ten minutes to plot your evil demise as a parent. That ain't working for me. How many kids do you have, Donna? Six total, yeah. Six kids. You have a quiver full. Yeah. A whole quiver full. Let's talk about the family then. Oh, I got to make one comment here because we're talking about blue states and red states. Okay, I've got a warped sense of humor, but I think this is really funny. This is like the blue states are blue. It's like a kid holding their breath and they turn blue or whatever. It's like a lack of oxygen to the brain. That's what it is. The other one, red-blooded Americans, fully oxygenated, thinking, and there you go. There you go. Well, look, in the middle of my book – when persecution comes, preparing hearts for perilous times are three chapters. Those three chapters are what I would call the heart of the book, the heart of the book. And the first one has to do with parents, parenting in perilous times. Now, if indeed the Apostle Paul was right, And we're in perilous times. If you read what he said in first Timothy chapter three, you know, we're in those times. There's no escaping it. So if indeed we are, then we have to realize that we're parents and grandparents in perilous times. So what are we going to do? We've got to seize the moment. We can't play games anymore. We can't play the Mr. Spot program for child training anymore. We've got to get back to God's plan for dealing with our children. We've got to begin to teach them strongly preparing their hearts. That's what I did with our girls. We had three girls. We now have ten grandchildren, two great-grandchildren. And I prepared them as young kids. And at night, after law practice and after dinner, I'd bring them to their bedroom and I'd put my arms around them so that they could feel the touch both of their father's hands and God's hands together. And I would share with them the passages of scripture, not just tell them stories, but I would do it in such a way that it impacted their life, their thoughts. And one of those involved a song that I was taught when I was a kid. So let me just share this simply with you. Dare to be a Daniel, dare to stand alone, dare to have a purpose firm and dare to make it known. Dare to be a Daniel. Dare to stand alone. Dare to have a purpose firm. And dare to make it known. So important was that on the mind and the heart of my oldest daughter that she named her first child Daniel. And so I prepared a beautiful calligraphy plaque with that song, those lyrics on it for his bedroom wall. So that he would continue to see that and have it ingrained in his mind and heart. Several years ago, I was asked to speak to the largest Christian school in Ghana, Accra, Ghana, West Africa. And so I shared with them that song and in between sharing the song, I would talk about the implication, the application of it. Then I'd come back and I'd sing it again. And then I'd talk more about the application of it in their lives. So over the forty five minutes or so that I spoke, I must have shared that song with them at least six, seven, eight times. Well, two years later, I heard they were still singing that song. You see, there are ways to communicate something very powerful and very strong into the minds and hearts of our kids. They're not prepared to stand. Do you know, Donna, that George Barna in his latest report over the past eight years has said that among our professing Christian young people, professing Christian young people, only twenty percent of them believe that Jesus Christ is the only way, the only truth and the only life. In other words, eighty percent of them are not really Christians. They don't even believe that Jesus is the only way, the only truth, and the only life. In other words, they are religious pluralists. They're not even part of the kingdom of God. And yet we play pretend. How did that happen? How is it that that could happen when so-called forty percent of Americans claim to be born-again Christians? How is it possible? You know what I think it is, is it's like parents are letting their children lead them around by the nose ring like, you know, and and it's just incredible. It's great. But I got to show you something. My son brings me coffee in the morning. So he just I have a very nice son. Wow. Yeah. Isn't that nice? And he brought me brought me coffee this morning. Isn't that great? Yeah. Wow. How old is he? I homeschooled my kids. Did you? So did we. Yeah, my kids are all in their thirties. I've got one tail in there at twenty-nine right now, but the rest of them are all in their thirties. Well, Donna, you don't look old enough to have all kids in their thirties. Oh, thank you so much, but I am. And so I'm a grandmother. You must have met Ponce de Leon down there in Florida at the Fountain of Youth. Yeah, there you go. No, actually what it is, is it's copious amounts of coffee. Ha ha ha. Well, they say there are a lot of antioxidants in coffee. Yeah, that's what it is. That's why I've got my cup here, too. It's a bean, so I figured that there's got to be some vitamins in it. Yeah, there you go. Let me get back to those central chapters because they're the heart of the book, and the heart of the matter is the heart. My wife, who is not quite as oriented like I am, she believes everything that I'm talking about here, but her personality is very different. And she's been reading this book and she just, she said, Chuck, this is so easy to read and it's so applicational. Nobody could be offended by this book. Nobody could be offended by this book. Well, the central chapters are first about parenting in perilous times. Then the next chapter is fathering in frightful times. Do you know that God depends upon fathers to prepare the way? Oh, yeah. He's depending on the planet. I'm going to tell you that I had the greatest dad that ever lived. He was a tough dad. I'm going to tell you. And you know what? And you got the scars to prove it, right? Yeah, pretty much. But his integrity and everybody that knew him said he was one of those guys that everyone just trusted him with everything because he would do the right thing under all circumstances. In other words, he was a God-fearing man. He was a true God-fearing man. He was. And you might not have liked everything he said because as you grow up, you know, you're a kid and you're like, oh, come on, dad, kind of stuff, you know, and that sort of thing. But then every year, he got smarter every single year, you know. That's because you got smarter. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it was. But he was a tough dad. He didn't allow any weakness either. He wasn't the guy that was going to let you get away with weakness. Well, God's not going to let fathers get away with weakness by not preparing their kids for persecution. He's not going to let you get by with it. He's going to hold fathers accountable. Several years ago, I wrote a book called Hearts of the Fathers. how to leave a legacy that lasts. And it was based upon Malachi where he said that before the great and terrible day of the Lord, God will call forth the hearts of the fathers lest he strike the earth with a curse. Well, do you know that that's the next to last message that God gives to the world before the coming of Christ? The last message is in Revelation, God is speaking to fathers. He's saying, guys, you've been playing the game. You've been going to the football games. You've been watching the baseball games. You've been going to the golf. You've been doing all these things, but you haven't been doing what I asked you to do. And I'm going to hold you accountable. So when I wrote the book, Hearts of the Fathers, which was about not take me out to the ball game and buy me some peanuts and Cracker Jacks, but how to become the spiritual leader of your home. Well, guess what? Donna, it might surprise you to know that three quarters of all those books was purchased by women. Now, why do you think that might be? because most of us real women like real real men and aren't confused oh you're kidding can I say this can I say bring on the toxic masculinity you know it's like I gotta tell you people are always saying to me they're like you know you should I've got a cpl and they're like you should you know conceal carry all the time I'm like I got this guy and uh he's just waiting to protect you know to protect and defend isn't that wonderful yeah well you know uh what I've observed over the past, uh, forty years since I've been involved in ministry in addition to practicing law for twenty of those years, uh, what I've observed is that Christian women all across the land, their number one cry is, why can't or won't my husband be the spiritual leader of our whole? So, uh, Hearts of the Fathers is a very, very significant book. There you go. There's a Christmas gift. Look at that. You're something else, girl. I really appreciate that. Yeah. By the way, let me tell people about our website, saveus.org. It's saveus.org. And there you can. I'm good, aren't I? Yeah. Save us, not save USA, but save us.org. And, uh, you can listen to all our programs. Their viewpoint is our national program. We've been on the air for years, almost years. And, uh, all of my books are there. Uh, I urge you to go there to be encouraged, but let's go back to those central three chapters. So we had, I want to take a look at this just a minute because the curiosity going and, uh, Let's see what we got here. Oh, you got the reckoning and all your archives. Mental health enemies. Hey, that's a biggie right now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're all there. Well, there you go. All right. So now I'm going to be binge watching. Oh, well, you know what? What happens? The report that I get from people is that once they go there and listen to to one program, they end up listening for a couple of weeks and just go through them, scrolling down and going through them because they're so different than anything else that they've been exposed to, heard. And so it captures their minds and their hearts. All right, so the third section in that, or third chapter in that middle section is about families, persecution in families. Now there are two families that God talks about. one is our earthly families that is mom dad and our kids and grandkids the other is the spiritual family which is the church god's church jesus warned about persecution in both of those families in fact he said that's going to be the worst persecution that you're going to face in the church in the church and in your own family Now, are we not seeing that already? Yes, we are. Because parents are telling me that when their kids come home from high school or college, university and so on, they're dividing the family. Yeah, because they're hanging out with the goats in the indoctrination camps out there. Exactly. So they're disagreeing with God's viewpoint. And so now the parents are in a terrible quagmire. What do I do? I love my children, but they're tearing my house apart. They're tearing the unity of our home apart. Now, imagine how that increases, the severity and the pressure of that increases over time. That's what Jesus was warning about. I tell you, families used to work together. And anymore, it's like, you know, I think that's a really important thing is to work with your children because you're teaching them as you go. And they've made that such a, you know, a bad thing that the kids are running around playing full time. Got to be in a million different events full-time. Exactly. And it's like, that's not okay because it's like there's so much competition that they don't ever really learn those core values of selflessness and stepping back and letting somebody else do well within a family if you care about them. That's right. It's all competition. Yeah. And imagine what happens then in the church house. We're seeing this already dramatically as a result of this election. For instance, there are a quarter of a million people who align themselves with Evangelicals for Harris. Evangelicals for Harris. Now, why would those evangelicals align with someone who is promoting as her number one agenda, the killing of America's babies up until the day of birth? Why would they do that? It's because they had capitulated to the lordship of feelings and emotions and false compassion. That's why. And so what that did, it created a terrible rift in the church. And that was just the outward manifestation of the rift. Pastors are feeling that rift. And when Billy Graham's granddaughter came out and became the public voice of it, it was revealing how serious persecution can arise in God's own house. And here's how it works. The group of people that don't want to agree with what God has said on any particular thing, whether it has to do with divorce and remarriage, whether it has to do with transgenderism, abortion, homosexuality, or any of these kinds of issues, the people that are living by their feelings and a false compassion that don't agree with God's viewpoint on these issues, they rise up against those who still hold on to the truth. And that's how it happens. And it's going to grow. It's going to increase because the lordship of feelings is going to increase dramatically. And here's how it happens. As persecution rises, what we are going to see is that infamous mark of the beast come upon us as globalism takes its root. Please don't pretend that it's not going to happen and that you're going to be out of here before that happens. If that were true, why did Jesus warn you about it? Why did Jesus warn you about it? Let's stop playing pretend. We don't have to face the wrath of God, but we do have to face the wrath of man. Yeah, and I think that's so important that we need to come face to face and see the spiritual implication of this. A lot of the stuff that we, I was looking up some different names of gods and goddesses of the past, and a lot of them were transgender. And you look at the priests that would dance around with the knives after they had done You know, mutilation to people and such. Well, you know, what's going on right now? I mean, we just have a modern form of antagonism. I agree. And it's like we need to come to terms with this, that people are getting sucked into these satanic rituals. And it's just a rebranding. A rebranding, yeah. It's just a rebranding of Satan. And, I mean, he comes by many names, but it's a rebranding of the same evil. And unless we call this out as good versus evil, I don't think people understand that abortion is a satanic sacrament. And some of these other things. And then they turn it into this money, you know, this money. The problem, Donna, is that people do not understand what evil is. Evil, very simply, is anything that disagrees with God's word. Anything. No matter how small you think it is, evil is anything that disagrees with what God has said. That's how God looks at it. And so it's a state of our mind and heart to disagree with God. Now that brings us to the final thing that I think I need to share with you concerning this book and for the lives, our lives, all those who are listening and viewing today. And that is this word tribulation, the T word. It brings so much division in the body of Christ, but I'm gonna get rid of that division, hopefully. The Greek word for tribulation is the word flipsis. Do you know what it really means? I don't. Pressure. Pressure. So the word tribulation translated in our Bibles actually means pressure. So there's going to be an initial pressure, and then there's going to be the great pressure. An initial pressure, like in the French Revolution, the first few years of the French Revolution, there were some heads flowing, Madame Guillotine and so on. Yeah. But then came the great pressure. The French Revolution is what it's going to be. Exactly. So the mark of the beast then becomes the final effort to pressure all people on this planet to embrace and identify with the Antichrist and his system, the globalist system. Otherwise, you will not be able to conduct business in any way. You won't be able to buy or sell. You're just not going to be able to do that. So once the digital system goes into place that Bill Gates is working triple time to accomplish, to merge all medical care and economic function in the world through digital, once that happens, that world system will go into place. And when it goes into the place, the pressure will be so great that most will fall away because they're not prepared. They're not prepared to stand in the evil day. And so this book is a message of mercy to people, to God's people, particularly in America, because we're just not prepared to stand. We're just not prepared. But God wants us to be prepared. He's not ready that any should perish by falling away, by capitulating, by reneging on their faith and their trust in the Lord. God wants us to trust him with a whole heart. Trust in the Lord with all your heart. Don't lean to your own understanding. In all our ways, we have to acknowledge him and agree with his viewpoint, and he then will direct our path, come what may. Yeah, and I think that that's something that people should continue to look up some of these other things right now to support this for you a minute. But it's really amazing how little time parents are spending with their children. You know, talking, talking with them and teaching them and showing them how to care for not to give them jobs and just say, you go do this or you go do that. It's let's go do this together. Let's do this together. We'll walk together with this and we can do this together. And that I mean, that's how I wrote. I raised my children. It was, you know, they had they had, you know, work to do for certain. But it was like, let's do it together. So wait a minute. You didn't raise them according to the lordship of cell phones. No, no, I did not. And in fact, yeah, in fact, we had, we had a few things that we had pretty well locked down. I was considered a mean mom. I didn't, I was a mean mom because I wouldn't, you know, we didn't have a TV when the kids were younger. And so I, we had, we had a TV that I will say was a monitor that we would use for educational purposes, but just to watch TV that I was like, No go. They've got bikes and they can go outside and play outside and that sort of thing. But I'm not going to have them sit in front of the idiot box there. Yeah, so you weren't going to let them grow up to be fat-sos, were you? Actually, we went to the gym for about an hour to two hours every day because I was a power lifter. So they went with me. A power lifter. Wow. At my impressive stature, you know, which is not very impressive. But, I mean, that's what I was doing. And so the kids went. And, actually, all of my kids go to the gym every single day to this day. And they could all be personal trainers as much as they know about – training. In fact, though, they're not certified, you know, but if we govern our physical bodies, it helps us to govern ourselves spiritually as well. think so it's all of those it's all of those things you know you get up in the morning and you do certain things uh you should have a schedule for yourself you know I I gave my kids when they when they approach the week and this this goes into um preparing kids for god I mean they they had to you know we we read the bible we we did certain things that we did every single day but there was a schedule they had to get up they had to brush their teeth and they had x amount of time to get this done And it taught them discipline. Now, they don't hold that schedule to this day. But I think that the ability to have order in your life And, you know, be orderly and have accountability for yourself and such. And also be looking for what you can do and be aware of other people and what you can do there. All of those things that we prioritize, the invisible, eternal things. qualities and nature that we should be cultivating and not just, hey, everybody, the person with the most toys at the end win. You know, I do think that God, God blesses us in so many ways. And I got to tell you, he's blessed us in incredible ways. But that's not the goal. And the witchcraft I see in church was like, well, I'm going to say the right prayers. And then God got to give me that because because that's how it works. Like, no, it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way at all. The reward is being able to participate in the good works that God allows us to do because he doesn't need us. And Donna, I bless you, sister. You're you're a real blessing, a real trooper in the kingdom of God. And, you know. I'd love to do further conversation with you. I've thoroughly enjoyed this time with you. This is just a fun conversation to have about talking about things that, you know, that are just real scenarios that are out there. And hopefully we can get people thinking about real scenarios in their lives and apply that to how they think about raising their children or being in their communities or getting involved in things, not doing it for money or any other gain. And it's just the right thing to do. I'm available to you anytime. Thank you. So I always end my broadcast with a prayer. Would you like to pray for us today? Well, sure. Lord, you know our hearts better than we know them ourselves. It is you who has warned us and wooed us and tried to prepare us for the times that you knew were coming. And in spite of the seeming victory that we've had politically, we ask, Lord, that you will speak profoundly into our hearts and that you will bring conviction by your Holy Spirit to bring us into more complete alignment with your word, your will, and your ways, that we will prepare our sons and our daughters, that pastors will prepare the hearts of their people with boldness and not be people pleasers, but God pleasers. Lord, I ask that you'll pour out your spirit upon my sister Donna and all that are working with her and those who listen. May we truly be that remnant that you are preparing to endure to the end. As you said, blessed are they who endure to the end. And we want to be among those people. So take this time that we spent together and apply it for the advancement of your kingdom. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. And I'm going to bring up your book again so that people, hey, all right, everybody out there, I know you're buying Christmas presents, right? Let's make it count here. And, you know, when persecution comes, you know, let's make this count. You know, here's some things that we can do. You're going to, you know, that we can actually talk to people and maybe give them something that's a blessing in this world that's so confusing and give them something to land on that gives them hope as well as some direction on what to do in their lives today. on a daily basis. So with that said, boys and girls were that part of the show. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Go to brandenburg.com because I'm the best not conceiver who's ever not conceded in the history of the United States of America. And I'd like to talk to the rightful president of the United States, president Donald J. Trump in cowboy boots about that. And let me know when you decide to do that. I think that I'm open. Anytime he wants to make a call, that would be outstanding. So God bless you all. God bless America. Make it a great day. If you don't have a good example, guess what? Tag, you're it. Be one. And make a difference in this world. Choose to be that example, even if you don't have one. And then you'll be a real blessing to not only... the people around you, but this entire world. We're all going to be cheering you on. Go, go, go. You got this. So have a wonderful day, and we'll see you tomorrow on Brandenburg News Network with John Tater and Legal Defense, because I've got some cool things to tell you. We figured out a wonderful defense to remove some of these criminal politicians from office. And guess what? Donna Brandenburg, who loves a good fight, is going to be moving forward with us. It's going to be a riot. So have a great day and we will be talking with you tomorrow. Stay on the line for just a second, Chuck, and I'm going to end the broadcast.