Published Oct. 21, 2025, 9:01 a.m.
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Good morning and welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it's the twenty first day of October twenty twenty five. Welcome to the show today. And I hope everybody out there is doing well. It's kind of an interesting time to be alive. That's for sure. Lots and lots of stuff going on. And I'm going to bring John on here. We start talking. How are you doing, John? I'm doing good as usual. Yeah, we have lots to talk about. I started something yesterday because I actually started taking methyl blue, methylene blue, and I wanted to talk about that a little bit today too. I forgot I was going to talk about that. Have you heard Kennedy talking about that? No, I am aware of it, and I do have it in the house, but I'm not convinced that it's the best thing in the world. I am. Okay. So I started taking it. And one of the things that if, if you don't put vitamin C in it, this thing is, is like the color of your shirt blue. Okay. So I put about a half a teaspoon, third to a half a teaspoon of powdered vitamin C in it, stir it up. And all of a sudden you see it go like translucent. And I, and I can tell you one of the things that happens is almost immediate mental clarity and energy. Okay. so and and i've got and i've got the skeptic and involved in it my my husband is a skeptic and so i i got him taking it and he said he noticed the difference right away too well i did and i didn't really notice the difference so it's maybe because i am on a whole bunch of different other vitamins and minerals minerals are the key because our body is all minerals Vitamins help control or operate the minerals or make the minerals do what they're supposed to do. But if we don't have the appropriate minerals in our body, then our body is not doing what it's supposed to be doing. Yeah. Well, I think it's kind of interesting and I'll, I'll, I'll try just about anything if it, if they say that it might work just because I've got that mindset just because, you know, we've talked about before, you know, I got diagnosed with incurable cancer. So they said years ago and I just decided, okay, great. They, they've got no plan. So I guess I'm going to have to make a plan and cause their plan sucks cause there is no plan. Right. So, so I, I tried just about anything and, and see how it works and, And clearly, it's been working for me. So anyhow, I thought it was interesting. So we got talking this morning before we got on. We usually have a few minutes to talk, John, and I do. We're friends. And so we were talking about the No Kings protests. And my, um, I, I stopped and talked to people cause I wanted to find out who they were and what they really were. You know, I don't believe what any, anything anybody says anymore. So I like to find out for myself because I really think that the majority of the stuff that we see on social media on the news is that it's all faked. I mean, I think we're watching a movie. I really do like when you see the crowd scenes, There's no way that they would have the density in these crowd scenes that they say that they do. It is impossible. And so it's illogical and it's an illogical reaction to react to those sort of things. I mean, look at it. And the first thing you should say is how likely is this to actually be true? And what holes can I blow in the story so that I can actually, you know, not just be sucked into their craziness. Hang on a minute. Hang on one second because I had a, I think it was a bean leaf beetle. Yep, that little bugger got right there. I had a bug fly at me a little. We've got bean leaf beetles where I am and one kind of kamikazed himself into my neck just a little while ago. Sure enough, he went right down into my shirt so I had to get him out. Anyhow, how likely are things to be what they're proposing them to be? And who's paying for it? What are they trying to accomplish? What are they accomplishing, if I believe them? And what are the alternatives? It's like everybody out there with the No Kings, they were protesting President Trump. Didn't tell me why, really. The first things that I heard out of most people were it was a fear reaction, like what you know, we want to see the Epstein files released. We want to see this, we want to see that. And then they would go to ICE and how horrible ICE is. I'm like, well, don't stop there. You know, let's, let's go to the local cops and, and. Did they give you any idea why ICE is horrible? They had no idea why ICE was there. They didn't make the connection to the fact that all of the, the subversion we see at the United States is to tear down those things that they love. And so the reaction was, I'm afraid, see things that seem wrong people are getting hurt which i gotta say i i kind of appreciate the fact that they actually were aware enough to be concerned for other human beings now it stopped there though it didn't they didn't evaluate the whole situation it was a it was it's kind of like a knee-jerk reaction rather than saying looking at the policies what's actually going on behind it. The fact that we're being ruled by an organized crime syndicate globally, there's not one country on the planet that the people are actually having a voice. Now I believe that President Trump is returning it, but we've got like, you know, a thousand years of this death cult that has tried to subvert human beings. And they don't make the jump out of, oh my gosh, something's wrong. Well, it's gotta be the guy that they're telling us that's wrong. No, it's much deeper than that. And we've got to evaluate the entire situation. and not just run for it. I actually saw that with the Constitution Party this past week, and I wrote a fourteen page report for them because they were trying to install bylaws that were absolutely a federalist as opposed to an anti-federalist argument. And they wanted to be able to take over state parties if you fail to respond in any way, shape or form within thirty days. They wanted all of our contacts. They wanted to be able to call the shots. They wanted to actually run the state parties is what it looked like to me, the ones proposing it. And I'm like, nope, you don't get to do that because that is exactly what we oppose in the Constitution Party. Exactly what we have now. What would make you any different than the others? They were trying to be Republican Party-lite is what I saw. And I'm like, nope, that's not going to happen. That's what happened to the libertarians. Yep. So we held our ground. All the bad bylaws were shot down. And so it was actually a very good process. And I felt pretty good about it. I really felt good where my report went on it. And I felt like we were listened to. So that was good. I only have one thing that you said. as a party should be pushing the Constitution. And outside of that, nothing else is important. Well, and I think just getting people to run for office, because right now all the candidates suck. They all suck in Michigan. I've not seen one candidate that I go, man, I get behind this person. Like, you know, like, uh, uh, that I felt were fighting for the people. All I see right now is people who are pushing issues to manipulate people in order to get the vote. That's all I see. I'm not seeing anybody talking about nullification. I'm not seeing anybody that's talking about the base level structure that's been subverted. Nothing. It's like it's all their pet projects hoping that they capture a segment of the market because it's marketing. It's manipulation. And I think they all suck. Is that what you have been running into as candidates that are trying to step up for the U.S. taxpayer party? I'm not seeing a lot of them that want to step up because they see the absolute crap show that's out there right now. And so it's like they don't know what to do. And what I'm telling people is you've got to run. We have to be able to have people that will replace these subversionists that are in office right now who will not capitulate to black male coercion threat or duress. We need to have normal, everyday Americans who go, I want to see this subversive system torn down because about ninety five percent of it is unconstitutional and violates people's rights rather than upholds them. But people are scared to step up. But I'm hoping and praying that people get some courage and say, you know, why are they lazy? Are they scared or are they lazy? They don't want to do it. You let somebody else take it. I don't want to do it because I have to do something. It's a combination. I have to get off the couch. I have to present myself. I have to put on a tie. You know, the silly stuff. I have to wear a suit. I only have one suit. Oh, no. Yeah. I mean, this kind of nonsense is what's going on. don't even think they have to wear a suit anymore i really think that if people just stepped up and were themselves their authentic selves people would really really it would really feel refreshing refreshing and it would resonate with people i don't think you have to put on a show i think you just have to be real and i think you have to be it's it's called form and substance to a certain point forum is is is wearing the suit is wearing the tie that's form i'd rather have somebody that stepped up that knew the constitution that didn't dress the part so much but actually could be authentic i would absolutely back that person that that is substance substance is what the person is inside what he's thinking what how he's reacting what he's doing what his responses are to certain situations that substance we do this all day long in law when we're doing law the form is the is the document the substance is what's in the document most judges rule on form what's in what the what the structure is and they rule based on that they don't rule on what the substance is of the argument they never get to that because you're dismissed you're you're uh denied your due process and all that based on form. And that's exactly where we are at this point in time in our life. It's form, not substance. We've got politicians, public functionaries who don't understand that they're public functionaries, not politicians, not leaders, not officials. These people are not there to run the government, to run our lives. They're there to run the government. the little sphere of government itself. That has nothing to do with us. We are totally separated from that philosophy of what's going on within the government body, such as paying certain bills to get certain things done like the roads. We're not supposed to be involved in that. We're not supposed to be involved in funding a particular project. That's the government's job. But we have diluted it through these processes of getting the public to vote for it. Vote for a millage. No, we're not supposed to be doing that. That's not our job. And by diluting it and putting it out there and making the public do that, they say, well, you voted for the millage. What are you complaining about? We're supposed to hire representatives to go in there and vote for us and do what we want. We have this backwards. We have this upside down. And it's in all different directions except the correct direction. and the problem is that we have a fake money system in the process trying to drive the train and the fake money system can buy off uh can coerce people into behaving certain ways when they feel that they have somebody there that's going to root and and support the fake money system we have that going on and that's the worst thing that we have we got to get rid of the fake money Yeah, I want to show you, talk about money because we were going over it yesterday, but I want to show you this post and we're going to go back to no kings here and the money that is behind things. Just watch and listen to this a minute. Right now I'm representing myself and I'm representing the folks at Rise and Resist who have been trained to be impartial today. Okay, so Rise and Resist. How much do they pay you to wear this vest? Absolutely nothing. Really? So I did some digging and the woman trying to stop my interview is named Karen Schall. She is a professional protester. I found her at over a hundred different protests. Let's look at her portfolio, shall we? Here's her outside Trump Tower saying, TikTok time's up. Here's her saying, ban guns, not drag. Amazing. This is her telling us that lies have consequences. She is also very passionate about abortion. Even in the video right now, she's just wearing a hat that says abortion on it. Sometimes she gets less creative, though, and just holds a sign that says enough. Now, here I found her working with a different professional protester that I've exposed. This is Stuart Waldman. He was there when they raised the Palestinian flag over City Hall in Rhode Island. Everyone knows you. Everyone knows me? You are. They know what you do. I know what you do as well, Stuart Waldman. You are on the board of riseandresist.org, the company that is paying people like Karen for a second job as a professional protester. And the donation link to give you money is just ActBlue, which is the fundraising platform for the Democrat Party. That's who you are, Stuart Waldman. Now back to Karen, I found her with another professional protester that I've exposed. This was back at the Tesla protest. This is just a few photos of this other professional protester out of maybe that I found. So I think that this is an important thing to realize that there's such a mix of people. Now, when I talk to the people that know Kings, they, how do I say that? I really felt that a lot of them were more, um, more like grandmas and grandpas that they're afraid. They didn't really seem to kind of get past an emotional response and seeing things that they felt were wrong. I saw more fear than anything. And just, you know, we can stand in our crowd here and we can yell and be heard and such. But a lot of them just, they don't like what they're seeing. But they don't get past the reaction to response. My question is, what do they see that they don't like seeing? Well, the thing of it is, is the first thing that came out was we want to see the Epstein files. I'm like, well, I can agree with that. A lot of them said, we got to go back to the constitution. And I'm like, okay, I can agree with that. And then we went into, we hate Trump. And then that's all I heard. They're, you know, from people is how much they hated president Trump. I'm like, well, you know, I'm going to, I'm not going to sit there and argue with them because you know, I'm not going to argue with them because that shuts down communication. I actually very much like president Trump and I see what they're doing behind the scenes. which isn't always right in our faces. I mean, they're not going to spoon feed us because the people that they need to spoon feed probably don't have the mental capacity to think it through. And that's a sad reality. I mean, if you can't look at something and ask questions outside of face value, your critical thinking skills are lacking when, when you can look at things and go, well, I'm going to ask about a hundred questions before I settle on whether this is actually right or wrong, or whether what I'm seeing is correct or whether the conclusions I'm drawing are correct or not, you know, that the stuff look and listen, it's got to happen before we come to an instant emotional reaction. And it's, it's, It's horse training. I mean, that's exactly what it is, is we've got to learn to just stop. Be the calm in the storm. Don't react. Respond. And when you respond, respond in a way that you're going to have an effect of your actions that are going to be long lasting, that will affect a hopefully permanent change for the better instead of just throwing a temper tantrum, you know? Sometimes temper tantrums are good, but you know, it's, you gotta be judicious about it. Well, I did pass by a no Kings rally myself. I was in the car and they did screw up traffic. That was, that irritated me more than anything. They don't have the right to do that. So if they say something about the constitution right there, they're done. They weren't standing in the road. They were on the side of the road, but the cars were all slowing down to see this rally going on or giving them support or giving them the finger or whatever. So it took ten, fifteen minutes to go one mile. And this was on Van Dyke, I think, one of the main streets. How many people were there? I don't think a hundred, maybe, maybe a hundred, maybe. Well, I'm in a little rural community right now. And there were, and I'm in a small rural community and there were probably a hundred protesters there. That would be my guess, maybe, maybe. And that was kind of, that was kind of amazing. I would have liked to have stayed longer and talk to them, but I do have an email address. One of the organizers, the volunteer coordinator, and he, he was wearing a shirt. He came up to me and he's like, well, I want to know who Donna Brandenburg is who, you know, before we talk to you. Really? So you got to find out who I am before, you know, before we go any further. I thought I'm like, you know, like, well, I'm an equal opportunity political hater, if the truth be known, because I don't like either side right now. The Uniparty sucks. And, uh, But I did really want to hear what they said because and I didn't want to shut them down with arguing with them, though I disagreed with several of their positions. I just wanted to find out what they were what they were thinking. You can't have a discussion and come to solutions until you listen to the people you disagree with and find out what they really what their real intention is. Usually it's closer to your own than you might expect. The argument is that if you don't know your enemy's position, then you don't know your own. And you can't battle. You can't do any kind of. Well, it's kind of like here. I got to plug my phone in here a minute. I'm running out of juice. You can't do any kind of debating if you don't know what the other side is thinking. And that's the problem. I don't know what the other side is thinking. I don't know what the No Kings Rally people are thinking. They're just out there waving signs and making noise. I really wanted to know. They hate Trump, but they can't tell me why. They call him a fascist, but they don't even know what a fascist is. This is the big problem that we have. It's name-calling. I did that when I was a little kid. Remember, we were all calling everybody, you've got the cooties kind of thing. There was no reason why we did it. We just did it. So we have adults now behaving like children that have no real idea as to what they're doing, what they're saying. They're calling Trump a dictator. They don't even have any idea what a dictator is. They didn't have any idea when Biden put masks, told everybody to wear masks during the COVID thing, that he was a dictator. Isn't that being a dictator? Telling you you have to wear a mask, telling you you have to stand six feet apart, telling you if you don't take the shot, you're not gonna be able to go to work or you're not gonna be able to go to school. Isn't that being a dictator? I don't think Trump said any of that. So that once, so then when you, my biggest thing to do now is if I run into one of these people and I do from time to time pass by them, I'd like to ask them if they call or make a, make a comment, ask them, what do they mean by that? Please define your term. Yeah, I didn't have enough time to actually get in and, and I had about ten minutes to run through the crowd and I had to, I had to be on my way. But what was really amazing to me, it was basically the same protest or the same metrics they were looking at through everyone in the crowd. But they're protesting an emotional reaction. It's driven by an emotional reaction to something that feels uncomfortable to them. Like there's time where you've got to do an adult thing. I mean, nobody likes war. They shouldn't like war unless they're profiting off of it. However, there's times where you've got to put a bully in check that is a true threat to the nation when you see when you see people that are cleaning up the system that is so corrupt that we all hate sometimes you just got to go through the process and let let the guys get the job done that need to get the job done you know breaking the law and it all comes down to the law who's breaking the law and who's upholding the law sometimes upholding the law looks a little brutal you know it's like when people are laying out in the street and stopping traffic That's violating people's rights. They should be dragged off that street. They don't get to do that. That's not a protest. That's just being somebody who is violating the rights of people who you really aren't fighting against. Stupid. I think the protesters out there, ninety nine percent of them are fake. They're working because they're getting fake money from a fake system. Yes, I agree. Paid protesters. They have nothing upstairs that they're doing that they care about that they want to argue. They're just getting paid to do it. They're fake. So I think that ninety nine percent of the the all kings know the no kings protest is about is about people that are fake. They're making money. That's it. Has nothing to do with with. politics with with trump with anything they're told to said say certain things to behave certain way and they are doing it because they're fake it's all and i think that both both the democrat and the republican party there were clearly people there that were i'm going to call them handlers that were the ones that probably were the organizers okay And then they grab people that have always voted Democrat because, well, I've always voted Democrat. You know, we're superior. They do the same thing with the right, though, too. You've got organizers. You've got people that are paid to push propaganda and such. And they're hoping that the people that just follow the moniker of being a Republican will just do it without questioning them. And that's a big problem. Both sides do it. And they have those people. that can't think, that do not want to think, that do not want to exercise their brain. This has been going on since I was a kid. We had the same kind of people all over the place. It's difficult to think and it's difficult to work at it mentally to come up with a real honest solution as to why you're feeling the way you feel. It's easier to just go along with the crowd. Remember the guys that would all get together and they'd have a lynch mob? Most of those people in the lynch mob didn't know why they were lynching the guy. They were just following the mob. And that's what we have right now. We have a lynch mob called the No Kings Rally people. They're lynch mobs. They want to lynch Trump for no reason, just because they hate him. Why do they hate him? They don't even have a, they can't give you a reason why they hate him. This is the nonsense that the general public that is out there, the voting public, the more intellectual people need to understand. This is just a mob of a bunch of people out there. Where do they get those nice professional signs that are out there? Exactly. Some of the nice outfits and hats. Where does that come from? Would you go out and have somebody make a sign for you, nicely printed like that? That costs money. You can't get the average person to do hardly anything, let alone put that kind of time and effort into that sort of effort. They just won't put the effort into it. I'm going to see if I can bring up the picture of the protest that was out there. And then I'll play it for you. I think you might find it really interesting. I like listening to. What's that? You know, I was driving in my red truck and I had my red Trump hat on. Trump is right about everything. And I was looking right at these people. And one guy gave me a thumbs up. What was that all about? Yeah, that's wild. Well, I want you to check this out for all of the naysayers that say that they're not being paid. This is a spreadsheet that shows the No King's partners and who they really are. Across the top, it has Arabella, Buffett, Ford, Rockefeller, Soros, Tides, and then the totals that they have. And then on the left side are their NGOs and And there are little efforts there. There's ultraviolet action. There's move on, civic action, and where they intersect on this spreadsheet. Well, if you go to the bottom total, the very bottom right column, it is two hundred ninety four million, four hundred eighty seven thousand six hundred forty one dollars that have been put into the no kings protest. So there's a lot of money behind this. And you can see exactly where it was coming from. Ana Paulina Luna posted this, and there was somebody else that posted it too, but I thought that was fairly significant. So I put that one out there. It's on my Telegram channel if you want to see. I'm going to run through this. I'll show you what we've got dealing with here. It's not organic. And the same thing that I feel about the Democrat and the Republican parties. They're not organic. These efforts are being heavily funded by dark money and the corporatocracy, which cuts we the people completely out of it. They're literally buying our country, our votes, on and on. I mean, we could just go on and on with this. And it's very disturbing. And it's disturbing that we have a lack of people being able to think their way through this. Um, to make sense out of it. Okay. So this was, this is the no Kings. There's the no Kings prep. Um, so there, there were probably, I'm going to say, I'm going to say maybe seven people there. There were, and there were people on the other side of the street too. So that was, that was what was there. There were a lot of American flags there and they sang patriotic, you know, I'm not going to just ding people because of a title. Okay. I'm not. And so we've got a lot of people there that have got American flags. They were singing patriotic songs. There were people on both sides of the street that were active. And then this was one of the... You might find this interesting. Anybody want to talk? Why are you out here? I've got a random driver here. Why are you out here? Why not? Find out. Why are you guys here? Okay. Somebody talk. Okay. Okay. I love it. They're talking to me now. This is fantastic. What? What? We're advocating for release of the FC files. We're advocating for... where people are being fired from their jobs for commenting critically about um uh right-leaning representatives like i don't know if you know about charlie kirk uh after his assassination people were excited for basically quoting them uh we're protesting the treatment of immigrants and making ice in masks like this, right, where they're attacking people, whether they're citizens or not citizens or not making a distinction and so on. Okay, I'm going to go ahead and cut this down to two-minute segments. I think it's great, but I'm going to keep going on this. You didn't ask him why he's wearing a mask. Yeah, he said it was, I was glad he talked to me. And, you know, it was that's the that's the beginning of being able to to write differences and opinions and such. And also, also, honestly, to have the opportunity to to educate people. Now, I got I got not only a phone number out of that, but also. the name of the organization, because there was an organization behind it who pulled all these protesters in. And so I want to call them, and I think I'd like to get them on BNN, because they absolutely have an organization. They have a website and such that I could talk to, and these were the organizers. Let me see if I can pull that up, and then I'll tell you who it is, because I thought that was very interesting. Nothing ever is as it seems, you know? So hang on a minute. All fake. But you know what? The people that were there seem to be well-meaning. It's called Operation Grassroots Twenty-Five. That's a nice title. It's a Gmail address. I thought that was kind of interesting. It was very interesting to see if If you can go into a situation like that and try to be operating as an observer rather than an arguer, you're going to get a lot of information. And you're also going to be able to talk to them further. And the goal isn't just to be right. The goal is in order to help educate people that may have been sucked in by the biases and the propaganda. And it's on both sides. I mean, I'm sick of listening to the right people right be totally self-righteous about everything because they're not either. They're taking the dark money. They're doing the same thing the left is. They just got a different drumbeat for the attacks. That's the way it's always been. The right and the left don't know what each other are doing, though they do know that they're taking money from someone. I think they do know what each other's doing. I think they're in it together just to hold on to the power structure. Well, that part is I agree with you. I'll go along with that. But did you ask any of those people how much they were getting paid for doing this? No, because I didn't want to come off as someone who was just there to argue. I wanted them to talk to me. And I just don't think, you know, I think that they're not going to tell you that one way or the other, even if they're paid. So that's kind of a dead end road to ask them that question. You can assume it, but I think it's one of those things that, You have to go out behind the scenes in order to get those kind of questions answered. So I really wanted to know what the average person who is out there that may not have been involved in the organization of this may not even know or have any idea about. that this is being funded on a global level as an instrument to keep us all fighting and be disruptive. They want us to fight each other. They don't want us to get together and actually talk. So I don't go up and slap people in the face. It's like, I want them to talk to me. And if we start a conversation, maybe we can actually come to an agreement And that goes, wow, I didn't know that. And the minute you say, wow, I didn't know that, that usually changes the tone of the conversation entirely. I didn't agree with what they said. I didn't really disagree with what they said. I just kept them talking because I really wanted to know. Well, that's good. That's good. But again, this is a color revolution that's going on in America that they're trying to overthrow the government. I agree with that. They just don't even know that there are pawns in the plan. They don't even know that there are pawns in the plan. That's right. It's like the people that are with the Republican or Democrat parties. They don't even realize that there are pawns in the plan because it's all theatrics. It's all fake. agree it's all fake i agree well anyway all right i thought you'd like to see that because we brought it up and wanted to talk about no kings this morning so it's accomplished now what else are you going to talk about it is interesting that they would go out and spend the time doing something like that rather than go to uh the source which is the constitution and find out what certain government officials, public functionaries and how they're supposed to behave. This is a distraction against our republic, away from our republic and toward a different kind of process where the people that are trying to control the country or take over the country are trying to get people involved. And at this point, they're using money to do it. And they're getting away with it because they can get the Federal Reserve System, which is a fake money system, to print all the money that they need to hand out paychecks to these people that are out on the road. Well, look at all the paid trips to Israel that go through the NGOs and such. People like getting free stuff. It makes them feel important and pampered and that they're special and all that. All it is is just a. It's a manipulation. So Curtis says, Donna, let's plan a summit. I think it's a great idea. Let's do that. See if we can get people to actually talk instead of grabbing onto an agenda. Let's just talk to them as people. We might actually have some go with this whole thing. So what else do you want to talk about today? Curtis said that he would like to hear, here, I'm going to put it up here. John should address this. Article seven, section seven, article seven, section seven. And I know the constitution, but not every single thing. So I got to look at them. The only person I know that has it completely memorized is David Gilley from Utah. He's got the entire constitution memorized. That is amazing. I just love David and his wife. They're just beautiful, wonderful people. and Fantastic Patriots. Well, it's the Convention of States he's talking about. Article VII is the Convention of States. I think it's a bad idea. I mean, I've had John Birch Society on Robert Brown. Is that what he's talking about? Go with this. I don't know. Get a response back from him. Yeah, I'm working on it. I'm watching the article seven right now. And it's talking about the ratification of the convention of nine states shall be sufficient for the establishment of the constitution between the states, no ratifying. So ratifying the same. Well, the problem I have with the whole thing is that they've already modified the original which they never had the power to do. So, you know, they haven't altered it. They've gotten away with it because we haven't really understood what the Constitution states in any one particular area, such as let's go to the executive branch where the judicial system is trying to control the executive branch. Can't do it. we have three separate branches of government people don't understand that because they haven't read the constitution they don't understand what the constitution says and what the intent of the constitution was to begin with so they come up with all of these sideline things for example uh congress only has eighteen items that they can actually do they are well defined they can't do anything beyond that they can't bring in the Federal Reserve System because it's not in the first date. It's not in the eighteen well-defined authorities of Congress. They can't bring in the I just lost my train of thought. They can't bring in the energy systems or the energy, Department of Energy, Department of Education. They're not in the eighteen allowable, well-defined authorities of Congress. But we don't understand that. We think Congress can do anything. They just pass a law. No, they can't. They are stuck with those well-defined authorities. That's all they can do. And by allowing Congress to do as they please and allow the judicial system to do as it pleases, we have a real problem because we have not a Republican form of government, under the constitution, we have a mess. We have three branches of government trying to control each other or as they were saying in one of the amendments and one of the Supreme Court decisions that we've talked about recently. And in that Supreme Court decision years ago, this was eighty years ago, this is the one that Kagan brought forth. It states in there that it's a quasi-legislative and quasi-judicial branch of government. How can you have a quasi-legislative and quasi-judicial branch of government? That's merging two branches of government together, and you can't do that. And the Supreme Court actually ruled on that and said that that was, back eighty years ago, that that was a cool thing, that you could do that. No, you can't do that. So the convention of states doesn't do anything for us. All we have to do is go back to the original plan, which is the original constitution and enforce that. And if we enforce it, we'd clean up a lot of the mess that we have out there. Well, about ninety, ninety five percent of it needs to be abolished and nullify because it had no place in there. It was unlawfully installed like the nineteen sixty three constitution for the state of Michigan. Yes. How can you have one-tenth of one percent vote for the Constitution and pass it? That's a democracy when you have fifty plus one controlling forty-nine. That's a democracy. That's not a republic. We have a republican form of government. You want to know the frustration that I hear out there. I was talking to an attorney yesterday and he said, he said, you know, it's really sad. He said, I go into court. I can argue anything. He said, but the judge just laughs at us. And he said, they're they're threatening to take our law license away, which I didn't correct him right then and there because we were talking again. But it's like, you know, we all know that there is no such thing as a license to practice law. But what what he he said was he said, I hate the whole system. He said the whole thing is corrupt. Democrats, Republicans, the judicial system, he said the whole thing. And this is from an attorney. And he it what I walked away from that conversation was is that there are so many people that are protecting their little their little abilities to make money and what they've got, their positions, they've got themselves wiggled into. that they're not willing to do what it takes to leave and do the right thing. They just wanted things to continue on, not make waves. They're afraid of what they might lose instead of focusing on what you're going to get or what the gain that we're going to get or the honesty, the justice and all that. If we get off of our biases, we're likely to have a marked improvement instead of being part of the problem, part of the machine. That's right. You hit the nail on the head. A lot of people are afraid that they're going to lose their, quote, license, end quote, or their bar card. Their lifestyles. They're afraid they're going to lose their lifestyles. That's right. Their lifestyles. They can't do anything. I can't do anything else. It's like the one that I can't retire because what will I do with myself if I retire? All I know is how to do this one particular thing. How can you live your life and only know one thing in your life and you're not capable of expanding that knowledge into some other facet of earning a living or whatever? This is a sad situation that we have. The greatest thing that happened to me was retiring, although I really love teaching and I love kids. You're not retired. You only sort of retired. You just switched your focus. Well, okay, so you call it that way. But I retired from the nine-to-five job, the punching in and punching out. Actually, several jobs I retired from. But, you know, it gave me freedom to do other things. And you're right. I don't I'm constantly doing something. But what's what's with these other people that say, you know, I'll lose my bar license or my bar card and then I won't be able to practice law. Give me a break. The fact that you have a bar card gives you the authority to practice law. You practice law all day long. You don't need that bar authority. Yeah, maybe to go to court and maybe to represent somebody you do, but you could practice law in other areas. And argue it and know how the courts work. I mean, I would love to see a whole bunch of of, you know, barred attorneys to walk away and actually start fighting for the people say fine, if that's the way it is, I'm going to give up my give up that, you know, that card. And I can I can probably be more effective. That's what I told him. I said, I said, you know what, I actually think I could be more effective from the outside than you can from the inside. Well, that's a lot of truth to that. I mean, I'm, like I say, I'm still working on my lawsuits with the judge. I don't know what the heck that's all about. I haven't gotten a response from Judge Berg in Detroit, who's supposed to answer my... Reconsideration, when I point out the exact law in that reconsideration that he's violating Supreme Court case, what is he gonna do about it? He's kind of stuck in a situation. He can vote against me or rule against me and say that you lose, I'm gonna take it to the Supreme Court. He's violating Supreme Court law, Supreme Court precedent. and he's ignoring the law of the land, the constitution. So, and eventually it's gonna bite him pretty hard. But I don't understand why these judges, well, I do understand they're being paid or they're compromised by the system in order to keep their little black robe and their judgeship. There's such a minor little, petty behavior of these people that they stoop to such ignorance and they would like to see, if it wouldn't be for their little fiefdom, they would have nothing. This is the ridiculousness that has developed in our country. They put you in these little boxes and then they control you and that's what's going on. So your attorney friend is right, but get out of it. Don't, don't worry about that little chip that you're carrying around. I think if you do what you're supposed to do, regardless, I'm not gonna say that you do it for rewards or you do it for monetary gain. It's like the seven mountains church, the claimant frame, it ridiculous things. which I think that there's some actual evidence that Charlie Kirk was involved in that, which is a, it looks to me like a link to Zionism when you start connecting all the dots and such, which I have a big problem with that. A huge problem with the Israel, the state of Israel superseding the United States of America in funding and policy and all of that. But It's not just Israel. India is doing it too. India has got a huge influence in the United States, just like China does. It's a global crime syndicate, which has left all the people. It's left all the people. That's the key. It's the syndicate. It's not Israel. It's not China. It's not... India per se. It's not the countries. It's not the people of the country. It's the syndicate. It's the syndicate. And we got to focus on that. We can't point our finger and say, oh, it's the Jewish people or it's all the the Christians or the Muslims. It's not those people. It's the syndicate that uses that background to try to force uh their agenda upon the upon the world that's their mask is by taking over other people's agendas or their identities they're parasites and that's what they do so when i see when i see israel and the amount of of uh interaction we have like with aipac and the handlers that are out there they're not the only ones all of the lobbyists that are out there we need to have a good hard look at this and what and why are they there lobbying for corporations, for issues. They're not lobbying for we the people. Lobbying needs to be absolutely ended immediately. That is not okay. That part of it also needs to be done. But when you look at the amount of money that is behind this and where the bankers always lead back to, it always seems to lead back to the unholy alliance of of those that are parading as Israelis and those that are parading as being aligned with the Vatican or see all of these people that are aligned and you're like, they're all in bad together. Yeah, it's one big syndicate operating all of these little facets to get people emotionally involved. People need to wake up and see that this is what is really going on is the destruction of America because once they destroy America, once they remove the Constitution, then the rest of the world will fall. The world looks to America to help America. them continue to have some sort of semblance of freedom they don't have freedom in england in all of the other countries they think they do and we of course are giving up our freedom because we don't understand it what it is we don't know what being free is we don't understand the constitution we don't understand what our purpose in this world is all about we follow along the crowds and we're part of that group of people just like those unknown kings that are being paid to do certain things and therefore they do it. Why do they do it? They don't have a good reason, they just do it. They follow along the philosophy. They get a few dollars. They go home. And when's the next rally so we can go and stand and get a few more dollars? And that's all that's about. Well, I tell you, yesterday I had Lori Atwood on, and she was tracking down how the money, how they put us all into categories based on what they think that we are doing. are worth this. So they've categorized us and they're honestly, how do I say this? I'm trying to figure out a way to put this into an easily understandable format because it's so convoluted. But what they've done is they've actually stolen our identities. They're getting loans off of our identities. And it's going through several different channels. she's got it pretty well mapped out. I was really shocked at how well mapped out it is. And I think that right now, anybody that's out there actually doing actual research, and I don't mean going on social media and sharing posts, because some of that is for real, but a lot of it is just for optics. We need to be going and pulling like source documents reading them, finding out what they say, and actually trying to plan out a strategy on how to take these bastards down. And we've got to stop being part of the problem. It's just like people who are on entitlements, you see it all the time. You see people standing by the road now. They have signs, help me, I'm a veteran and I need some money. How do you know they're a veteran? You have no idea who these people are. They might just be somebody out there knowing that the United States of America is is actually supports and loves our veterans. So they they're parasites. They come and take over their their identities. We don't know who they are. You know, they could be doing drugs and selling drugs as soon as they as soon as they give you their, you know, give them you give them their your money. You have no idea what they're doing with that. You don't know who there is a stranger danger. And the the entirety of of where we are studying the law and finding those documents that prove that they've broken the law. Now, that's really what's happening in Byron Township right now. I just found out this morning, they had a meeting that was posted as canceled. It had been posted for almost, well, at least from the beginning of the month that the planning commission was canceled. And all of a sudden, magically, they had a planning commission meeting last night. And it wasn't on the docket. It said cancel. So I don't know when they all of a sudden, oh, my gosh, we're having a planning meeting. And then nobody knew it, so nobody showed up. And this is what they're involved in. It's all diversion. We are in a war, and all war is deception. So we've got to stay on our guard a little bit. You can't walk away or turn your back on something because that's exactly the time they're going to stab you in the back. Byron Township, they kept talking about having to approve the master plan. Well, guess what? We did some digging. They approved it in January. They approved the plan. And the plan is in the master plan. that everything north of Ninety-Second Street is now suburban, no rural, no agriculture, none of it. They rezoned it. They re-planned the entire thing. And then not only that, my street and the area where I'm at, it's all been zoned as urban residential. This is all. That's why they took our water there. I guarantee you, if we hadn't stood up to fight them, we would all been zoned as uninhabitable and they would have taken the land to develop it. Exactly what they're doing. That's exactly the plan. Absolutely. So we got it. We got to stay on our guard here a little bit. Hey, Mike, how you doing? Hey, morning guys. How you doing? Good. What's happening in Mikeville? Well, I'm listening to you guys here this morning, and John, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there somewhere, something in some document that gives us the right to counsel in a courtroom? Both constitutions give us that right. And, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but And I'm going to talk about this now that you guys brought it up. But, you know, it's a funny thing. I don't recall anywhere it says it has to be a bar attorney. Does not. Does not. That's just an act that was passed by the legislature that said it had to be a bar attorney. But they don't have that authority to make that law. Well, I don't think they realize what quagmire they put themselves in because all bar attorneys are what? Oh, yeah, public functionaries. Why? Because they're officers of the court. That's right. That's right. And most of the judges are most or all the judges are also bar attorneys. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, I just had a conversation with someone this morning about the probate courts and, you know, trying to figure out why these bar, these judges in probate are doing what they're doing. I said, you forget their number one rule. You forgot about the fact that under corporate jurisprudence, volume seven, section four, their first obligation is the court. So, yeah, they're going to pay their own pockets. That's right. They don't care about you. They don't care if you live or die. You're just a commodity to them. You're a client. We're a product that they trade and that they work off of. We're their little minions or slaves that they grift off of our work. I'm half tempted. I've told people this. I said, I'm half tempted the next time I go into court and the judges, you know, are you so-and-so? And I'm going to say, well, master, I'm not really sure, master. Are you my master today? Please don't beat me today, master. Please, please, please don't beat me, master. Master, are you the master blaster? Please, master, don't beat me again today. I got a better idea if you have to go into court. I can't get into court. That's the problem. This is no censorship, guys. The federal courts will not let me into court to argue. They do everything by paper. But the question that I would go next time I go to court is I would say, please, attorney so-and-so, prosecutor, please produce your license to practice law in Michigan. I've done that. I've had them removed for perjury. Yeah. I think this is another one of those metrics is if somebody's running, if anyone is running, who is an attorney, I'm going to, I vote them down. They shouldn't, you know, this is, they've already broken the law by subverting, uh, the intention of the judicial system by being part of the board or the, of the bar. Well, here's my question. When you're under threat, duress, and coercion, summoned to the court, okay? You're under threat, duress, and coercion because if you don't, they're going to send a bench warrant and guys with guns after you. So you're forced under threat, duress, and coercion. My question is, how is the state of Michigan, because the case, when you read the summons, it's the state of Michigan versus John Doe. Well, who the hell is the state of Michigan? I want to meet Mr. and Mrs. State of Michigan. I need to put them on the witness stand because I have a right to cross-examine my accuser, don't I? So who's the state of Michigan? It's not the governor because I already tried that. I actually subpoenaed the governor because I thought, well, she's the CEO of the state of Michigan, the corporate body. You know what the response was? She does not represent the state of Michigan. Well, if she doesn't represent the state of Michigan, who does she represent? exactly this is so convoluted and we bought into it over the years because you know well we were young and we didn't really realize it or understand it nobody told us because our parents didn't have a clue what was going on either no and they they And our grandparents didn't either. And so they slowly weaseled this in on us. And now we are at a point that this thing is blowing up on them and on us. And we need to fix it. Stat two. So, John, let's see. Okay, let's do this. I know you got to go on to your day. We've exceeded the ten o'clock time. Let me grab your. Tada. I have skills. So go ahead and give yourself and your group a plug. Well, we will be on Wednesday night at seven to nine. And please join us. Please get involved with what we're doing. Please bring your comments and your issues to our meeting so we can expose them for the most part. A lot of people have issues that they're dealing with, and they don't want to talk about it. They don't want to bring it out. They're either embarrassed or whatever. It's not being embarrassed. You're being abused by the system. You need to talk about it. You need to get your information out so you can find a remedy for yourself to fix it. And a lot of it's probate because probate's been ripping people off for years, uh, because they figure, you know, the person that's dying or has died, can't come back and argue about it. And so they get away with it and we've allowed this to happen. Uh, We have not planned for our future demise or whatever to fix this problem. And consequently, the system gets wealthy on it, gets rich on it. And our siblings that should be taking this... The inheritance, don't get the inheritance because of other reasons. So get involved with us. Come and talk to us. Come and become part of our group. We should be growing by leaps and bounds, but we're not because too many people are still, I don't know, you can't spend two hours of your life three of your seven days of a week to support the Republic, to get out there and fight for your own Republic, fight for your own life. I don't get it. I think I've said enough. Keep going. I'm just going to let you talk. It's fantastic. It gets the heat off. Thanks for being here, John. And I'm just going to go ahead and say bye. And we'll start. Have a wonderful day. Have a great day. See you, John. All right, so here we are. What are we talking about today, Mike? Well, today started off with a little celebration. Okay. Today is my dad's eighty eighth birthday. Oh, happy birthday, dad. So, yeah, he's eighty eight years old. And yeah, he sees what's going on in the world and he's like, yeah, he had no clue. You know, I mean, he came up through the Depression era and Yeah, he's just dumbfounded. by the crap that has been uh uh placed upon us over the years and he just uh he's amazed i mean his eyes have have opened a lot in the last probably five years to the uh corruption and fraud that's been placed upon everybody he didn't realize you know you don't realize that you weren't taught this stuff you weren't shown this stuff you know everything the media back in the forties and fifties was controlled they controlled what you knew what you were taught and everything else so We bring this down to that generation's attention, and it's almost like they don't know how to react to it. They can't believe it. It's like the programming is so deep that when you try to tell people what's actually going on, they can't get their arms around this type of corruption and evil. They can't break that program. Yeah, right. You know, it takes a while. And the older a person is, quite honestly, the harder it is to look at their entire life and go, is the whole thing a lie? Well, I hate to tell you that. I think most of it is. Most of it was to set us up for the time we're in right now. I'm not a biblical scholar, but is there somewhere in the Bible, some scripture somewhere that talks about retirement? I must have missed it. I missed that. Just throwing that out there. I think you and I are the same. I don't think I will ever retire because I can always find something to do. I don't really want to be on a full-time vacation. I want a purpose in my life. Well, you know, I question what is retirement, really? It's something that was embedded in everybody, especially, I hate to say it, union workers. Union workers were led to believe that you put in X number of, you know, so much time, you invest into their little four one case. And at the end of, you know, forty years, you get to retire. As in, I guess you get to go play golf every day or go fishing every day. But you know what? there's more to life than that. I mean, if that's all your goal is to just go fishing every day and golfing every day and contribute nothing else to the master plan of why we're here, you know, to me, that's a waste. That's a waste. Pretty sad. I think it's kind of sad too. And I know I'll get into this discussion. Well, I worked so many years. Well, you know what? I still work every day and I can't see my husband and I, neither one of us will ever stop working because I just don't see it. I mean, if you're not happy in the job that you have, maybe it's time to make a switch in your twenties or thirties rather than just working for the bitter end. Something else that always, that always shocked me is how much, uh, how much focus people put on that, the pensions. It's like, Oh, I got to work to get a pension. Okay. Really? Do you realize how much time and opportunity loss that you have probably put into working in, in, uh, in a situation like that, rather than maybe being innovative or seeing things that need to be done and not having to be part of a group. I see it as a huge opportunity loss. I know it's not going to be a popular thing to say, but, but, uh, They capture us by unions and all that other thing. And quite honestly, a lot of the union pensions are not doing well. And they haven't been doing well for a long time. And you think there's security in that. You think there's security in social security. There's no security in that. You've given that over to somebody else to manage, to pilfer, and hoping that they're going to pay up when it's due. There's no way to enforce it now. My dad's a prime example. My dad's a prime example. He worked for GM for forty years. And when he retired, he thought he had his pension. Along comes Obama, and what'd he do to the GM pension plan? He gutted it. And my dad lost his pension. He lost his pension. So there's no guarantees out there, guys. There's no guarantee you have is what you make. OK, I've been operating my own businesses for years and my retirement is what I make it, what I make it, not what someone else makes for me. I make my retirement if I want to call it a retirement. I consider myself, you know, I got into construction in eighty nine. I've been considered self or part time retired since eighty nine. I work as much as I want, as hard as I want. I make as much money as I want. OK, I decide all of that, not some corporate fixture, you know, fiction. The sad thing is that people don't even know the mechanics of starting a business or what it takes to make a business successful. They think I had somebody that was, you know, that argued with me this week about the fact, well, you know, you can't understand what the normal people go through because you're rich. And I'm like, really? I grew up probably more dirt poor than most of the people out there that I can put words to. I really can say that. And when somebody says that they're assuming that if you see somebody who's had some success first of all they assume how rich you are they've got it all made up in their heads you know and that's second of all they think oh you just got there and you were there was some reason why you had an advantage no it's just because we know how to work that's it we didn't get money from our parents in fact you know i could tell you some really awful stories that all of you would be like Oh, man, that was horrible that you had so few people on your team to see you actually try to have some success in life because that's the truth. It's like people want to knock you down. They want to see you fail. They want to, there's a rare person that will actually get on your team that will care and help you along the road. Usually people will are, I'm glad you're doing well, as long as I'm doing better. That is the current MO out there for most people. As long as they feel better than you, they like you. The minute that they think that you've got any advantage over them, the jealous monster comes out. And then all of a sudden, so do the lies on reality, just to try to knock somebody else out. It's evil. It is so evil. And it's so untrue. Well, you know, you hear a lot in the news. Oh, we got to, you know, the Democrat, we got to raise taxes on the rich. We got to raise taxes on. And it's like, okay, wait a minute. First off, Everybody's using the same tax code, are they not? So if you're using, if you are using that tax code, you have access to all the same information as everybody else. So if you've got someone who has a corporation that built it from the ground up and were successful, number one, if they're not paying the same amount of taxes you are, then you need a new accountant. You need to wake up. And I'm going to touch on this here and again. I'm going to circle back. But everybody uses the same tax code. So you better figure it out. You better figure out what it is that you're doing wrong, number one. Number two, when was the last time I would love to have some of these people who say, oh, these corporations, they're making way too much money. We need to tax them more. Hey, I got an idea. You show me where a poor person started a company. That is absolutely true. You're talking about those people who made all that money are the ones employing everybody. Oh, but Mike, don't you know, they got something for free from somebody else. We know that that's to be true. That's the argument right there. Instead of getting it figured out how to build something from nothing and have it dependent on what you can figure out and the needs that you're able to fill. When you have a business, you're figuring out needs and problems out there and you're providing a solution That people want. That's the only way people in business actually make money. Is your time worth anything or is it just made up in your head as an opinion? Right. And, you know, I've gone through a lot of different occupations. I wasn't always in construction. What else did you do? I'm sorry? What else did you do? Well, when I was in my early teens, I was a caddy for a country club. And then later on, I got I worked. I did door to door vacuum sales. That's that was terrible. But actually, that led me into when I when I was actually doing that, I didn't make I think I sold like two vacuums. But it was one day in the office and the boss was complaining about people not making their payments on their vacuums because these things were pretty expensive even back then. And so he needed people, he needed someone to go around and either collect the money or repo the units. Well, nobody wanted to do it. So I volunteered. I made more money doing repo than I did selling. So I got into doing repo and skip tracing for a while. And then I was a meat cutter for, for like seven years. And then I ventured into, into construction. So I've done, you know, I didn't have anything handed to me. I learned how to do these different trades. I learned how to get very good at those trades. Um, the reason why I left being a meat cutter, I was a head meat cutter for a supermarket. it was a dead-end job i mean basically i hit my max as far as how far i could go and i wanted to go farther so that's why i left as a meat cutter but um yeah i mean it's all what you want to do it's what you want to make of it but don't complain about the other guy making more than you if you're not willing to do and put in the time and the effort that's how bottom line it takes time it takes an effort and My dad, eighty eight years of age this today, he's still working. He's a cashier. Now, mind you, and one of the reasons why he's working is I forced him to. No, seriously, it was for his own good. My mom passed in eighteen, twenty eighteen, and he was her primary caretaker for about ten years. So twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. He was her primary caretaker. After she passed, I would go to the house and he I would find him walking around in circles in the house. He did not know what to do with himself because his purpose was gone. So a friend of mine, we got him a job at Ace Hardware and it was like for ten hours a week. And he learned how to use a cash register, never operate a cash register in his life. He learned how to do a cash register. He's an engineer from GM. I mean, he was GM for forty years. He didn't do this kind of stuff. So he learned how to do a cash register. And from there, he's now a cashier for Meyers. So, yeah. And Mentally and physically, you could see the change in him because he was isolated for ten years. Now he's out there. He's conversing with other people. He's interacting with other people. Physically, he's a lot stronger physically than he was when he was taking care of my mom because all he did was sit around waiting for her to need something. So physically has improved. His mental abilities improved. Just overall, he improved. So, yeah, you just can't sit around. Oh, I'm retired. I'm going to sit on my ass and do nothing. You know what? You're you're you're wasting your your your wasted time, your wasted space. Every day that you don't learn something is a wasted day. So go out there and educate yourself on something. Doesn't matter what something. And it's not that hard. I mean, you have access to a computer. You have a cell phone. You have access to knowledge out there. Learn something. So he came to work with me for about two or two days. I had to do him a little odd things. And he's like, I can't do this. I said, okay. So that's how we got him over to Ace Hardware. But yeah, he's eight years old. He's still out there doing stuff. He's out there active and interacting. You got to. You just can't sit around idle. So There's so much need. I mean, look at, look at how struggling parents are. Parents are really struggling right now. The younger parents in a lot, in a lot of ways, but that's a, that's a whole great big discussion on that right there. But you know, It's important for grandpas and grandmas to spend time with their grandkids. It's important to share those things that you know how to do and to teach people who are younger. I mean, all of those things that we know as we get older that younger people don't know. I mean, look at the deficits. A lot of them can't even talk. How is it that the generation, not all of them, and I think we're getting away from it. What's really been heartening to me is to see how many people have just said, this whole social media stuff is crap and they walked away from it. It's fantastic. Yeah. Get real friends, not the fake friends that you, that you don't have to work, work out problems with, you know? Yeah. And you know, if you, if you, you know, it's, you know, they say, if you have one good friend, you know, you're lucky in life. Okay. I'm fortunate. I have a lot of good friends. Okay. I have a lot of different circles that I interact with all over the place. So one of the problems I have is keeping in touch with some of them because it could be five years before we get in touch with each other just because of life. Life gets in the way. But you know what? After about half hour of, you know, hey, how's it going and what's new? You know, we're all caught up. We're back to where we were. And, you know, all life is good. But, yeah, I'm fortunate that I do have a lot of a lot of good friends and a lot of different circles out there. And so with that said, you know, I'm one of the richest people in the world because I have those friends, not because I have a bank account, but because I have them and they support me and I support them. So that's that's what's important. That's what the true value is. And I don't you know, one of the one of the frustrations that public functionaries have with me, they can't bribe me. OK, they've tried. Oh, they've tried. But it doesn't work. And the courts have learned that they cannot touch me financially. So they have no leverage. So I don't put money first. I don't put all that crap because friends in the loyalty I have with my friends. is superior to any form of monetary, uh, uh, value there. I mean, it's just, it just, you know, it's apples and oranges. So, um, that's how you have to look at things, folks. Uh, your, your friends are the most important thing next to your family, family, first friends, obviously second, but, um, know the value of your friends and that loyalty with them is is gold there there's the true value so um yeah that that's that's what everybody has to keep in the consideration but uh you know as far as you know going back to um we were talking about some of those other things as far as counsel in that um yeah the sixth amendment gives you a right to counsel nowhere does it say bar attorney As a matter of fact, bar attorneys, the bar here in the United States was not created until eighteen seventy eight. Our hearts are with you, Al. Thanks for posting this. And that's so beautiful about your your your your grand boys moving in with you. And it is amazing. Thanks for sharing that with us. Go ahead. Sorry. I saw that pop up and I wanted to mention that to Al before his comments got away from me. So, yeah, the bar didn't exist until eighteen seventy eight. So now, after all the nonsense that happened to rates right around and after the Civil War, seventy eighteen seventy one, eighteen seventy three, there were so many significant events that that happened at that time. People didn't even realize the subversion that was going on there because they couldn't relate to the fact that these people that were in place were in it for money. They were in it to destroy the nation. They were in it for unjust enrichment and control. Money, power, and control. What's that? Money, power, and control. It corrupts. What else happened around that time? A lot of things, cows were born, cats were born, but where are you going with this? The IRS. The IRS was created in, uh, uh, and it was created to raise, uh, revenue for the civil war. Prior to that, there was no income tax. There was no federal income tax prior to that. So how did we survive all those years without federal income tax? Hmm. Tariffs. Tariffs. Oh, gee. Yeah, that's what everybody when you go and talk to people that were like, no, Kings, it's the tariffs, all these things are terrible. They won't work. It's like, OK, this is where I go. All right. This is going to take some time and some patience because we do not understand history. We do not understand what is actually lawful and that that we have to stay on the rails for. Yeah, they were never taught. The schools don't teach it. Yeah, you're not supposed to know this. You're supposed to be a good slave, a good puppet, and just do what we tell you and believe whatever we say, you're to believe. Don't question. Because if you question, then you're an extremist and a terrorist. Yeah, if you question things that the school teaches you, all of a sudden your grades drop because you're not just following the indoctrination program. Yeah, yeah. And I've had teachers like that. I had a teacher one time, he first day in class, he said, ninety percent of you are going to fail. First thing that comes to my mind is you must be a lousy teacher. If ninety percent of every one of your classes fails, what does that say about you as a teacher? You suck. And we oh, yeah, we we went we went to school at all. I hated school. It was boring. It was totally boring to me. I was so done with it. I was so bored in school. And I really, until I got to college, I really just, I was kind of like done with it. I had all I could do to keep my attention for anything. Yeah, I would read the history chapter the night before, go in, take the test, pass it. I mean, that's, you know, the rest of the time it was just going through the motions. So, but yeah, yeah, there was no federal income taxes back then. That's how our country was funded was through tariffs and, and exercise taxes through trade with other countries. So, you know, people don't understand that, you know, they, I hear all this crap about, oh yeah, it's like, guys, you better do, you know, get, do a history check here because you're, you're wrong. But going back to the council, pursuant to the sixth amendment now if you go on there and you look up what their definition of counsel is to counsel is to provide legal advice or guidance to someone on specific subject matter counsel is also a lawyer also a lawyer doesn't say it must be a lawyer has to be a lawyer is also a lawyer. So that means what? The word also opens the door for anyone who's not an attorney, who is not a lawyer, to counsel somebody in a legal matter. So the Bar Association claimed that, oh, in order to give counsel, in order to give legal advice, you must be a licensed bar attorney. Well, one, there's no license. Two, you're demanding that I be a member of your little satanic group. And if I'm not, then what? I'm committing a crime? What's the crime? What crime am I being committed? Where's the elements of a crime? Where do they exist? They don't. Now, is a priest, does priests give counsel? Sure do. Do they have to be a licensed bar attorney? No, they don't. Do you, as a mother or father, give legal advice to your children? Yes, you do. Are you a bar attorney? No, you're not. So this crap about having to be a member of that bar is just that. It's crap. They manipulated the system to make themselves, what, a monopoly over the judicial system? The right to the judiciary is a common right for all. They don't have the delegated authority to put these restrictions on. And you know what? We don't have to deal with them. We don't have to consent to their crap. And I don't, I do not consent to them. So I do everything I can to stay out and get out of their system. I do not contract with them. I refuse to contract with them. When you sign your tax forms, when you go to do your yearly taxes, that's a contract. You're signing a contract with the IRS saying, yeah, I'm consenting to you taxing me on my income. Well, wait a minute. Is it really income? Is your time, does it have a value? So if your time has a value and you're given fifty dollars per hour for your time, isn't that a reimbursement for something, a commodity that you cannot get back? You can't rewind the clock and say, well, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to redo that. I'm going to still preserve those those hours. No, you can't. Once they're spent, it's a commodity. It's a perishable. It cannot be gotten back. So you're only being reimbursed for your time. You're not making an income. Income means you're making a profit. How did you profit by donating your time? There's no profit there. You're only being reimbursed. Reimbursement of your time is non-taxable. You can't be taxed for being reimbursed for something. If I go out and I buy materials, I buy a thousand dollars worth of materials and I tell the homeowner, yeah, here's the bills. I spent a thousand dollars for these materials for your project. What do they do? They reimburse me for those materials. That's not an income. That's not taxable. The word salad that they have embedded in everybody is so that you believe that everything that comes to you is an income. It's not. Well, their entire system is built on revenue raising. It's just like in the judicial system. I mean, there is no justice in America. There is no justice. It's a crime syndicate. Yes, yes. The whole thing is money laundering crime syndicate to go into their pockets. Yep. So now I got to rely on your expertise on something. Okay, that's bad. We're all in trouble right now. Well, you've done something I've never done. You've run for public office. I have never run for public office. I don't ever intend to run for public office. I get asked all the time. And my usually my answer is always the same. If I if I'm elected, I'll be assassinated. So we're probably me, too. So there you go, because, you know, I won't lie for anybody. But OK, so yesterday we had a big conversation regarding absolute immunity of judges. They have no absolute immunity. I know, but they declare it. And I'll go down that rabbit hole in a second. But here's the thing. And one of the things that we see as a way of piercing this so-called absolute immunity doctrine is this. Because fraud visualates everything. Okay? So if there's fraud involved, that means it's void. It's done. Okay? So is there fraud in an election? Now everybody's all about election integrity. Okay. Follow this bouncing ball for a moment, folks. Listen very carefully. If I'm running as for a judge's judge position. Okay. I want to be a public functionary. I want to be a judge and I'm running for that position. I collect campaign donations, right? Those campaign donations are people who donate for my cause, for my election to that public functionary seat. So once elected, at what point in time was it ever disclosed that as a judge, I'm an officer of a corporation? At what point in time was it revealed And where's the transparency that this county is a corporation for profit? That our court is a corporation for profit? That my seat as a judge is that of a corporate officer for profit? Where is that disclosed? Where is that disclosed as a governor? Where is that disclosed as a legislator? When is that disclosed? It's not. So isn't that fraud? Is that not a misappropriation of funds? Is that not- Let's go to maladministration because that's an easier thing to prove, maladministration, and it's a higher penalty. But there's no disclosure because the state of Michigan, the counties, they all have what? EIN numbers. They're acting as corporations. It states right in the Michigan constitution that they are a corporate body. So as a corporation, are you actually voting in someone who is a public functioner in the sense of the government, or are you voting in someone who is an officer of a corporation for profit? So you're being misled, because there's no transparency, there's no disclosure. So this is why I say that for the government to declare itself a corporate body is in itself repugnant to the Constitution. For nowhere in any of our founding documents does the word corporation or charter appear. Nowhere. So where did this delegated authority, you guys talked earlier about the eighteen enumerated powers that Congress has. Those are the only powers delegated to them by we the people. Nowhere does it allow them to become a corporation. Nowhere. This is something that they took upon themselves. They crammed it down everybody's throat. They pulled a Nancy Pelosi. We'll pass it and we'll figure it out later. So we're just going to do it and then say we're sorry and then just keep going, you know? Yeah. So this is why I have a real hard time when people say that, you know, there's no problem with them being a corporate. Yeah, I do have a problem with them. What's next? Do they get to unionize? Oh, wait, that's right. We have teachers unions. They're public functionaries. Oh, yeah, we have police unions. Municipal unions. What happens when Congress unionizes? What happens when Congress gets to unionize? What if the executive branch were to unionize? oh, we're not making enough money. We're going on strike. Well, in a way, they kind of already have it because they've got the state police that's underneath the executive branch in Michigan. But they're de facto. They're an office de facto. Understood. But the point being is that they just vote themselves whatever they want, and they keep building their little cartel. It's a cartel. Yes. Yeah. And they do things like civil forfeiture and that sort of thing where your property gets seized and it has to sue to get itself back. You can't even sue to get it back. That's another great big rabbit hole to go down of what they've done in order to step on our rights. Yes. Yeah. And it's going to take. I'll be right back. Eventually there's going to have to be pushback. There's no getting around it. So that's going to end up happening. To what degree? I don't know. I'm hoping that they come to their senses. I'm hoping that the federal courts apply the Constitution as written and put an end to this nonsense. That's what's got to happen. So the IRS, you know, created in eighteen sixty two by Lincoln, again, an office de facto. They have no authority there at best their advisory. That's it. That's all they can be. But instead, they're acting as third-party debt collectors for the Treasury Department. Well, we have federal laws regarding third-party debt collectors. In order for a third-party debt collector to contact you, they have to have your consent. Otherwise, they're violating federal law. And if they do it on a regular basis with phone calls and letters, that's harassment, another federal violation. And they can be held civilly liable for these violations. So if you want to know more about that, look up U.S. Chapter And that has, it spells out all the rights that you have and what they can and cannot do as debt collectors. So I urge everybody to go through that, study it, you know, get to know it because you need to know it. Again, that's fifteen USC chapter forty one. Well, you know, they've got everything so convoluted that even if you spent every minute of your day trying to unravel what they did, they're going to broadside you with something else because there's so many layers and there's so much overburdening bloat and regulation. There's a book that I have called Three Felonies a Day. Every single one of us is responsible for that. You know, we're all guilty of it because because of how many ridiculous rules that they have. And you've got to fight them if they come at you with something that's ridiculous. You can't just say, oh, man, I didn't know and pay the fine. You got to fight them on it. Yeah. Yeah. One of the arguments I use in court, the judge said, oh, you're not following the court rules. Oh, judge, can you show me my wet ink signature on a contract that says that I agree to those terms and conditions? Because you're a corporate body, and I don't agree to your corporate rules. The court rules are yours, not mine. I didn't consent to those. What kind of reaction do you get from that? Yeah. What reaction do you get from that? Well, they have a hissy. Some of them argue with me. Some of them just throw their hands up. They get all huffy. And, you know, a lot of times they don't know what to say. They really don't. Because how can they answer that? Where am I contractually bound to follow your court rules? I never signed a contract. Where did I give this consent? You assume and presume way too much. And you cannot assume and presume me into a contract. I do not consent. So... Now what do you want to do? I'm going to keep going the way I'm going because you can't prove your position. You can't prove your standing that I'm bound by your court rules. And when judges issue their orders at the end, they cite no fact of law on their position and say, oh, you're guilty of speeding. And that's my order. Where is the fact in law? There is none. It's based on a court rule or something stupid. I can't tell you how many times I've had orders issued to me though, well, based on the court rule this and the court rule that. Wait a minute, where does the court rules circumvent the Constitution? Where does the court rules have more authority than an actually properly legislated law? It doesn't. I've actually had judges say, oh yeah, the court rules are more powerful than the Constitution. They've actually said that. In what universe are you from? They've said that. Yes. Oh, I'm going to dig up some old transcripts. I'm going to dig up some old transcripts, and we're going to pull them on here for people to actually see what actually happens in some of these court cases that I do and some of the things that these judges actually say on and for the record. And I actually took one case. I had Teresa Brennan. You've heard me talk about her before. She actually stated that the rulings of the Supreme Court are not binding, that they're only suggestive. What? Yes. I appealed that. I appealed it to the circuit court because she's district court. I appealed it to the circuit court. Circuit court upheld it. I challenged the circuit court on it. They ended up bringing in a visiting judge to rule on this because I disqualified the chief judge on the matter. He upheld it. I then took it to the Michigan Court of Appeals. The Michigan Court of Appeals upheld it. And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. So I debated whether or not to take it to the Michigan Supreme Court. And I didn't. And I didn't for a reason. Two years later, I'm in on another court case before Judge Geddes in the circuit court of Livingston County. It was a property dispute. And she issues this order at the end, ordering me to, I don't remember what exactly the order was, but she ordered me to do something. And I said, hey, thanks for the suggestion. And she looked at me, my orders are not suggestive. You are to obey my orders. And I said, judge, then we have conflicting orders. What do you mean we have conflicting orders? I said, well, according to Judge Teresa Brennan, it's suggestive that the rulings and orders and the law is suggestive. And I did not agree with that. And I appealed it. I appealed it all the way to the Michigan Court of Appeals and they upheld it. Therefore you're bound by the rulings of the Michigan Court of Appeals. Her response was, well, she's no longer on the bench. And I looked at her and I said, oh, so when a judge is no longer on the bench, those orders are now void? And she didn't know what to say. She realized she screwed up. And she just got up. She was just, you have my ruling. And she got up and walked out. She didn't know what to do. She entrapped herself in her own rulings. So then what was your next move? Oh, boy, that was ten years ago. I don't remember. I think I... I think we appealed on that order and I forget what else happened on that, but it was a property dispute. So that was like ten, fifteen years ago. But yeah, you'd be amazed. I get these judges to say and do things they should never say or do, and they don't realize it because they get caught up in the moment. They get frustrated and they start spewing out crap that they should never say. And you know what? Thank you very much. I'm going to use it against you. So yeah, that's why I have too much fun in the courtroom. You want to hear what kind of crap happened to me last week? So I was supposed to have my scheduling conference. I showed up and they had been talking to the other attorney, but they never talked to me. And the clerk actually said, we did not have an email address for you. And I'm like, It's on the first page of the complaint. So we talked to the opposing attorneys and told them to communicate with you. The opposing attorneys I never talked to, they have perjured themselves now because they said that they did and they served me. I got to actually see the papers where the court was talking to the opposing attorney and I was not privy to any of those discussions whatsoever. That's a problem for somebody. That's a big problem. And so then all of a sudden I called, I called the court back, this lovely gal at the court. And I said, I'd like to have a, you know, a discussion on this because it doesn't seem like the, that, that due process was, you know, was in, you know, upheld nor was equal protection under the law. I said, I was completely like blown over. And all it was, was the judge talking with the other attorney. And so, and they weren't, she's like, we don't even have them on record yet because they were entered in less than one week before the scheduling conference. And then- The judge is disqualified. I would say so. It's like all of them are disqualified. So what do I have to do to disqualify the judge or the clerks? Because I never had any communication until they all of a sudden decided to send me stuff as a CYA move. But it doesn't stop them. She admitted to the fact they didn't contact me because they were talking to the other attorneys and told the other attorneys that they were supposed to contact me with this. Not my attorney. I didn't agree to that. and so they blew right over the top of me yeah that's ex parte without your consent um that's that's a big no-no um what do i do you file a motion for disqualification pursuant to title twenty-eight section four five five and you want to include the ruling of the uh um seventh circuit in the case of taylor v o'grady nineteen eighty nine uphill you're gonna have to you're gonna have to slow down for me to get i'm gonna send you something i'll send you something yes we're offline just so that I can send it to you by text or something like that. I can't send this by text. I'm going to send you a brief. Okay, cool. I'm going to send you a standard brief for disqualification. You know what's really fun is that... The motion that includes the case of Taylor V. O'Grady, it was upheld by the US Supreme Court in The judge is opining that if the possibility of impropriety exists and the possibility need not be proven, just that it may exist, a judge is automatically disqualified. No motion needs to be filed, no affidavit needs to be filed, it's supposed to be automatic and self-serving. Any orders issued by a disqualified judge are null and void with no bar of recovery. If they continue issuing orders after they've been automatically disqualified, then they're risking the violating the Interstate Commerce Act, warring against the Constitution, committing treason, all of which are felonies, which is now grounds under Michigan law that you can bring a citizen to rest under MCL. Seven, six, four point one six for committing a felony within your presence or through through through the ex parte process. because you're knowledgeable of the felony. And the clerk was the one that said it. And so it was the clerk and it was the entire court system that violated my rights. And I mean, that's fact. It's grounds for a . So, well, I think this could be really kind of fun because, you know what, I'm not afraid to go in and see something not go the right direction because I think that there's sometimes more, it's more important to draw out the, you know, to draw out the problem into the light because it's not one tier. There's not one thing we have out there that's a single tier issue. There's so many people involved in these things. Nobody acts alone because they're all hiding it. They're all covering for each other. And once you get in there and you start peeling back the layers, you can kind of start seeing, Holy crap. This is such a large, large, uh, uh, it's kind of, it's Rico when you start caught, when you start rolling all these people in, in order to, uh, hide things and they're working together to defraud the American people. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. You, it's almost like, um, The system that they have put together is very fragile. It's a house of cards, so to speak. I get to just take that bottom one from the bottom and the whole thing falls. Yesterday I used an analogy. I was trying to explain this to somebody. You remember that game Kerplunk? Yeah. It was a cylinder with a bunch of holes in it. You put the straws in, crisscross the straws. Yeah, yeah. And you're pouring the marbles and everybody pulls a straw. And eventually there's one straw that lets all the marbles fall. Yeah. That's what they have. This is a game of kerplunk. We're pulling the straws. Eventually those marbles are going to drop and their whole system is going to collapse. Yes, too, because the thing is so interconnected. And quite honestly, I think all of us should be looking at the clerks as much or more than the judges, because I think the clerks are really running the show. They're the gatekeepers. So when you get the gatekeepers figured out, then actually the judges have plausible deniability, but it was created that way. And do I think the judges are guilty? They may or may not be. Some of them are. They all are. But I also think that the clerks are also hiding things from the judges. The clerks are the gatekeeper for the checkbook. Yeah. They're the ones who hold the checkbook. They're the ones who decide what the judge sees. um there's that um i've i've made sure i've gotten around that they don't they don't play those shenanigans with me when i send something and i say this is for the judge the judge does see it because i question the judge when i get into court did you see my notice did you see this oh yeah yeah did you read it yeah so i've had some judges actually compliment me they go your briefs are better than anything i've ever seen so you know they i've gotten compliments from some judges on some of the stuff i've written so but i do challenge them you know and you got to you got to you you know you send something into the court and you're not sure the judge saw i said judge did you see it well the judge says no i haven't well then i say we you know we put a stay on this until you've had time to review the information how are you going to make a judgment when you don't have all the information And if you're going to make a judgment based on assumption, presumptions, and lack of information, well, you're kind of being derelict in your duties, aren't you, Judge? See, I can put that in a question. Always ask a question. Ask the judge a question. Is it your intent to deprive me of my rights? Is it your intent to commit a fraud? Is it your intent to trespass upon the bench? Is it your intent to litigate from the bench? Something else that we did. So when they denied my tent, when the judge, allegedly the judge denied my temporary restraining order on the, on the township for draining the water. Cause I, cause I did a injunction. I did an ex parte and then the temporary restraint came back there. It said denied. And it was circled denied and the initial CL. So guess what we did? FOIAed the judge's signature. It doesn't match. It doesn't match at all. I don't think the judge ever saw the paperwork. I really don't. I think it was a clerk that, that's my opinion of it. I think the clerk signed it and just said denied and expected me to go away. Well, then I filed a paper for clarification and all of a sudden I got a scheduling conference and then they blew past me with a scheduling conference. And they only talked to the opposing attorney. Then the opposing attorney sent me paperwork that said that they had talked to me when they didn't. This is exactly what happened. They never spoke to me. I never got communicated to. The court itself said they didn't have my email address, which was a lie. It was in the system. I called right back and I got proof that they actually had it in the system. And the person I talked to actually said, this makes no sense at all. You are in the system. So why did they say that? Why did they cancel the scheduling conference and all of a sudden I've got a scheduling order from the judge without talking to me? Nobody communicated to me. The opposing attorneys didn't. The courts didn't. No one did on this. They just blew past it expecting me to go away and to let this thing lay. All they did was give me more reason to go after all of them because they They did not follow any lawful procedure there. And they absolutely violated equal protection, due process, and my rights. So now they're all going to get sued. Yeah. All of them. Yep. I would definitely file suits against all of them. They're also looking, I would also contact the Sheriff's Department, let them know this information, because I believe it's a fourteen year felony for Oh, I'm blanking out on the name of it, but it's basically falsifying. It's lying to the court. Yeah. It's falsifying, filing falsified documents with the court and, you know, falsifying the record. I believe it was a fourteen year felony. Oh, guess what? We found another falsifying for record attached to this. There was another thing that they did that falsified the records. And. We've got all kinds of stuff on them. And the attorneys, the attorney will go, well, I can't fight it or I'll lose my my license to practice law. I'm like, well, you don't have one. But that's beside the point, you know. But the reality is, is that if they if they're doing this to me, they did it with the signature gathering nonsense, too. This whole thing has just been pushed off, pushed off, pushed off. It's been going on since twenty two guys. And it's like pushed off, pushed off, pushed off. And now they've rescheduled it to twenty seven. And I still don't have remedy for the fact that we were absolved of all guilt in it by Dana Nessel herself. I sat in the room when she was doing it, after which she stuck her behind in my face and absolved all of us of any guilt and said it was a true crime. And and it just continues to go on. And there's no remedy for it. And they pushed it all off to twenty seven. So this continues. And Sean Wilmoth just continues to, you know, continues to, I don't know. Let's use their own stuff against them. michael murphy sheriff murphy of livingston county stated that the uh uh sheriff deputies are guns for hire at seventy bucks an hour okay that's what he stated in the cbs uh news interview yeah okay contact your local sheriff you wanna buy a lieutenant or a sergeant at that seventy dollars an hour is that what you'll ask is that what you guys charge you charge the same as livingston county seventy bucks an hour i wanna buy a deputy to arrest these public functionaries for the crimes that they have committed. See what he says. So they all know you can't do that. Well, now you're discriminating. Now you've proven that your whole system, the sheriff's department, the courts and everybody are co-conspirators in an act of fraud and domestic terrorism and treason. They put themselves in their own quagmire here. Give me a checklist on this of what I really need to do to address this, please. Because when you send me that stuff, give me a step-by-step thing because I may miss the ability to put it together because you've got decades at this. I've got years and you've got decades. There's a big gap in knowledge here. And the stuff that you brought to the table was different than what I was studying. Not that either, not that what I was studying was wrong, but it's like, it's like there's, it's like having, having extra notes added into, into the books. So, you know, the books of our lives to learn more. There's multiple ways of going about this. There's, you know, there isn't just one way I've got, you know, some, I've got multiple ways of attack. to do these things. And I'm just, you know, I'm giving you different scenarios of different things that I have done and different ways to approach this. So, yeah, I mean, there isn't one, you know, step A, step B, step C process by which, you know, you use. I mean, these public functionaries have a habit of twisting things and changing jurisdictions and all that. So you've got to learn and have an arsenal of information so that when they do play those shenanigans, oh, you're going to do that? Okay, well, I got this. Okay, now you're going to flip and go with this over here and do this? Okay, well, I got something for that. So you have to have multiple things in your arsenal for when they pivot and try and change directions on you so you can slam them down and shut them down for what they're doing. Huh. Just a minute. Hang on a second. Answering a comment. There you go. So anyhow, Yeah, it's just it's so convoluted. And I understand why people are hesitant to jump into this fight, because they're screwing with you full time, full time. They're screwing with you. There's no two ways about it. But I don't think that's a reason not to try and not to go for it's like start FOIA information and FOIA and FOIA and FOIA. That's a great step. to get information so that you have it. Start looking at the source documents. I got a gal I'm going to talk to today, and she actually has a pretty good process lined up to getting information on what your municipalities are, how to pull contracts, how to go through and follow the money trail on them and do it in your local area. I've been listening to her, and I think that she's absolutely brilliant. So I'm going to be talking to her today so that I get more information so that we know exactly how to pull how to pull some of these documents. Laura that was on Monday, she's genius with finding information. And for me, all I got to do is reach out to these people and they'll go, you know, they love this stuff and they've been doing it for a long time to be able to pull these source documents in areas that I hadn't even thought of to look for things that you can use as evidence. And you need to gather your own evidence so that when you go talk to these people, you have the evidence right out in front of them and that they cannot get away from this. The planning commission that went through the meeting last night that was canceled all the way the last time we looked at it was last week, Monday on the thirteenth, and it was still canceled. And then all of a sudden they had a meeting last night. It's like this deception is going on in your community because they don't want any citizens, any people in those township meetings. And I can tell you right now, the state is being taken over at the township level. Those are the ones that they have staffed with developers, realtors, appraisers. and builders if you look at your and i and i had a discussion with an fbi guy it's exactly what he told me so the entire state is staffed with them they're literally taking over the state of michigan through the um the uh the builders association oh of of course i don't know if you saw this but i posted it uh carla wagner and one of her uh and one of her uh Flyer she put out says developer, builder, member of the HBA and that sort of thing. It's like, you think this is a good thing? She's telling you right there what the problem is because we're literally being taken over through these building cartels. And what they're doing is they're re-imagining the state of Michigan right now. They're rebuilding it into the fifteen minute cities and they're doing it through the infrastructure capture of specifically our water. They already have electricity. They already have, have, um, oil or not, not oil, natural gas. They already have these systems that they've put in, in the ground. And so, um, to provide us with energy. Now it's going to be water. And they're also, they're also working on, on the food supply too, because if you look across the state of Michigan, they kicked us right off the farmlands because the big corporations are buying those farmlands over and they're doing over the aquifers in order for them to control the food supply. And they're putting in these infrastructures, specifically water and sewer to do high density, affordable housing, that they put their own people in and the rest of us are going to be somewhere else in a desert somewhere hoping we die on the way this is what's happening and you know what to all the builders that are out there don't you give me your christianese bull crap at this point in time because they always want to get up in front of the meetings and say their prayers and this then it's all misleading because you can't separate their their in their actions They're unlawful actions to dominate control and make money off of people and all of a sudden say a prayer to make it all right. It doesn't work that way. They have to live it and they're not living it. You know, as a Christian, I am the most critical of people that say that they're Christian. I am very critical of it because there's so many wolves in sheep's clothing and they use that to absolutely distract and to capture as captured assets The idiots out there that are like, oh, I heard the word Christian. Hey, they must be good. No, you have to question this. And I've literally told them in the meetings, I am totally disgusted by your prayer and using the Lord's name in vain. Because you are. They're using God's name in vain to make it all okay to do things like drain the water on the water table, destroy the water supplies for how many different people that are out there and just say, well, you know, we're just going to do it in the name of the Lord. That ain't going to work out well for you. I'm just going to say that right now. And it's absolutely disgusting to me to see that happen. I hate it. I will speak out against it every single time because your actions are what is your actions. If your actions and your words don't match up, you're nothing but an imposter. Yeah. And the other thing is they also do a what? A pledge of allegiance to the Republic for which it stands. Well, if you do anything to the contrary, what did you just do? You committed treason. Well, I tell you what, Peggy Sattler just swore in a whole bunch of, of new firemen for our new fire station. And she had the whole oath there and the constitution and this, that, and the other thing. And I'm sitting here going, there's no possible way that you play by the rules of constitution because you've literally violated and been part of this little group of people who has violated all of our private property rights, our due process. All of it. They've hidden everything from we the people. They rezoned or in the master plan, they didn't rezone it yet, but the master plan has all been completely gone to urban residential. That means destruction of the farmland. Well, who's behind those municipalities telling them it's okay to do it? The Bar Association. Well, that Fresh Coast is the one, it's an organization that is telling them how to develop and said that they're listening to the state. Fresh Coast, the insurance companies, the law firms. And they have admitted in our meetings that they take orders from the state. There's nothing we can do. We're taking orders from the state. It's like you guys are all involved in this development. You're all in it with your buddies. Eagle will not come out and take a look at it. They turned us down twice to look at what was going on out there. All they do is put permits together based on what the engineering firm said. The engineering firm that they use is in eight different states. The engineering firm that they use has been guilty of building out this infrastructure and making – making agreements with byron township and gaines township so now we have the byron gains water authority and making on our behalf we need to know any of this we never got a notice of it they none of us got a notice of the pro of of what was happening none of us did well here's the thing do you own your property how many people have a mortgage And bought their house, their property, bought their farm. And how many of them have a warranty deed? Look on your deed. What does it say? If it says that you're a tenant, then you're not the owner, are you? Why does your warranty deed say you're a tenant instead of the owner? Well, who's the owner? Well, whose name is at the top of the warranty deed? State of Michigan. Now, where does this come from? People need to understand, I did a big presentation a while back, a couple of years ago, regarding the Trading with the Enemies Act of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of I was at a Republican event up in, it was around Clarkston. And one of the speakers there was Mike Rogers. Thank you. I don't know why I blanked out. It was Mike Rogers. And they opened it up for questions. So I got up there and here was my question. Oh, and they run when you ask them a real question. Yeah, they don't like hard questions. They don't. So my question to Mike Rogers was this. Pursuant to the Trading with the Enemy Act of nineteen thirty three, the Constitution has been suspended. All laws are suspended. All property is that of the state. All commerce is illegal, absent a license from the federal government or the state. And we, the people, are now enemy combatants. Is the Trading with the Enemy Act still being enforced today? And if so, how is it not an act of insurrection and treason? That was the question. This place was packed. Mike Rogers, without saying a word, got up and walked out. Yep, that's what they'll do every time. Well, let me tell you how this is all connected here. Jada Klein is a trustee on our board. He sits there and the people of the township call him out every time because he sits there with this smirk on his face. He smirks at us all the time. He sits there and he smirks. And he gets called out at it because he thinks this is funny. well jay decline is a is a developer when they did the public accuracy test which was neither public nor accurate because we couldn't see it and i was there i was there recording it it was his wife kim who was called to do all the checks on the tapes Peggy Sattler, the clerk, called Kim and said, Kim, why don't you check those and make sure that those numbers are right? That wasn't part of the township. She works for the township. Kim works for the township, and she's the wife of Jada Klein, who's a developer, who's on the board, who refuses to do anything about this. They refuse to do anything for all of us who had our properties damaged, except for try to explain this away that that all of the wells in that area. Oh, all the pumps went bad all at the same time. There were the pillars that were broken in there. Yeah, because the wells were cavitating, you idiots. That was out of water. And so they just spun because there was in it. If they did slap the water, then when when some of it will come up because you'll get just enough, sometimes some will seep in. Then in a non-balanced way, we'll slap that water and break off the impellers. And so how can you tell us this isn't the water table? Oh, I've got a written statement from a well driller that said they dropped the water table and your well is cavitating right now because of it. And so guess what, guys? This ain't going to end well. But that was our elections. That's how they're... And then Peggy, the last time, the last... township board, sat there and we talked about it. She's like, well, this is the way it's done all over the state. I said, so you just basically outed the entire state for having the public accuracy test being rigged from within the townships or municipalities and being neither accurate or um or uh public because they did it in the basement in the morning and they showed us an alleged process and what they admitted to was a demo of what they said happened in the basement that was all they did this is this is there was nothing about it and so now you see the township board the developers tied in with the city employees tied in with the freaking elections and the election fraud was there election fraud you damn right there was it's intentional And they know what they're doing from the bottom right to the top. I'm just like disgusted. Let me ask you this. Approximately, how much water do you use on a daily basis? Depends on if you're talking horses or the house. Just in general. Your establishment, your property goes through X number of gallons a day, right? Right. I don't know, because at this point I would have to look, but here's where I'm going with this. Here's where I'm going with this. Okay. If they took it upon themselves to cause a harm to your property, and I'm speaking this and just to you right now, but this would apply to everybody out there, all these other farms. So estimate approximately how much water you use a day. They've caused a harm. Those are your natural resources. You did not grant them consent to steal from your property. And the animal, the fact that we've got bees on the property, we've got animals and that sort of thing. So now you're going to put a price tag on that and you're going to send them a true bill for the damage and harm. Now, they are now liable for that because they've now openly admitted that this is what they're doing. Yeah. And you want to hear something else that's screwy, Mike? This is a sewer project. They're going to have to dig the whole thing up again to put water in. So they were putting the sewer in to drain the wetlands and fill them in. They literally filled the wetlands. And I've got pictures of where they filled the wetlands, the lowland wetlands in. And there's no they're not putting the water in the same time. So now they're going to put the sewer in, drain the entire area. And oh, no, what are we going to do with all these houses and farms that are without water? Well, it's not our fault. Your well, your wells are your well pumps are all failing. No, we have no water. We have no water. That's what's failed there. You took the water, you put in, well, you crossed the night strain three times. You drained the wetlands. You had all these pumps that were pumping two thousand gallons a minute out of. You had casements forty feet in the ground under the wetlands. They had no permit to do that until after I filed. Right. Emergency injunction. Then all of a sudden this magical permit appears that quotes the exact numbers that were in my injunction. But the injunction was filed on August eight. They're still pumping water. So they're outside the permit right there. You hit them all with a true bill. Every farm out there that's having these issues, hit them with a true bill. Now, guess what they want? They want their property taxes. Guess what? Your bill for property taxes is less than the bill I sent you for the damage and harm that you've caused I by your own admission. So therefore, I owe you nothing. You owe me now nothing. So there are no property tag. You just eliminated your property tags because they now owe you. You have a credit on your account. Probably until Christ comes back here with a billion, over a billion. There you go. You know what? It's like they don't represent me. They hate us. Even love is on here today. And she said they have disdain for us. And she's gone to the meetings. They have total contempt and disdain for us. They hate us. We are in their way. The next thing is getting your property rights back. Okay? Getting your property rights back. And we're working on stuff right now. Once we finish the process that we can teach people, we'll start letting everybody know how and where to get that information. You've got to get the state of Michigan off of your title. The thing of it is, is that all these people that sit back and go, oh, if this was happening on my property, they'd really have a fight. Guess what? If you let this go and these kind of issues go when you're when the people in your your area, your neighborhood, your country, When their rights are being violated, you've lost the fight because they're picking us off one at a time, one small area at a time. The fight that I'm fighting, it is your fight because guess what? If they eliminate the fighters like myself, you're going to stand there by yourself trying to dig yourself out of the hole you're in because when they violate the rights of one of us, they violate the rights of all of us. And they're making it harder. Every minute that goes on that people do not join these local fights, it's harder to come back. If we would have fought for the United States five decades ago even, let's just say, fifty years ago, we would have had an easier time than what they did before the seventies. The seventies and Carter's little reign of terror. If we would have nipped this in the bud back before Kennedy, we would have a lot easier time fighting right now. We are really having to dig ourselves out of the subversion, the intentional damage that they've done to the United States. And if people do not start fighting and standing with people such as myself who are actually fighting this stuff on a local level, this isn't about me at this point in time. It's about all of us because I told them to stay off my property because of their incompetence, negligence, and complicity in stealing the water. and i and i and i had a well drill and so i have water on my property now i have water i had to go down real deep but we have but we have actually have water on the property right now but the point being is that i could have walked away from this and watched everybody else struggle i didn't And this is the problem. If you're only going to fight for yourself and your family, you're a fool because they're taking the United States down by attacking those around you first. If you don't think it's coming to you, it's coming to you. And you're going to have nobody left that's going to stand with you unless you start standing right now. And that's replacing the people that are in office. You've got to run for office. We've got to get these people out. We've got to sue them when they get out of line or put them on notices. We have to fight. um i want to read something to you and i want to run for attorney general and i know he's going to tell me no but that's the he's the guy that we need as attorney general is mike and that's my opinion on it um just since you guys are aware of this i think i've sent this to you before um Every person has exclusive domain over the soil, which he absolutely owns. Hence, such owner of land has exclusive right of hunting and fishing on his land and the water covering it. Reality Company versus Johnson, nineteen oh four. The owner of a piece of land owns everything above and below everything above and below it to an indefinite extent. So you own everything to the heavens and everything to hell. So I know I get a lot of people say, well, you know, the chemtrails, the chemtrails. Well, guess what? The government says, well, we have to have eminent domain of the airspace up there for transportation. Okay, fine. I can't inhibit the right to travel. However, for them to be dumping the chemtrails on our properties, that is a violation. Well, and they have ruled that as a crime in some states. Yes. But did you know that they're selling air rights to buildings in New York City? So there's a lot of buildings in New York City that are completely empty. But what they'll do is they've made economic zones by combining properties within, say, like Manhattan and other outlying areas with lower property values. And so they put these properties that are in the high density metropolitan or more of the downtown area. And they combine it with some of these properties that are out away from that so that it qualifies as affordable housing or that sort of thing. And then what they do is they will literally buy the air rights over other buildings so that they don't have their views obstructed. That means that they can actually do that. Because if I have a right to the air above my land, I cannot give away that right. I can't sign away that right. That's not allowed under the Constitution. Hey, look at DeVos in Princeville. Check this out, Holland, Michigan, about the Holland Smart Zone. Lakeshore Advantage and Michigan State University Bioeconomy Institute were approached by the city of Grand Rapids to consider becoming a satellite smart zone. Since no new smart zone designations are available, the only way a region can utilize the tax tool is by collaborating with the existing smart zone. and being approved for satellite status. All Smart Zones have a strong university connection and contain some type of business incubator, accelerator, and technology consultation support. In April, two thousand sixteen, Holland Satellite Smart Zone status was approved by Michigan Economic Development Corporation. You guys are a bunch of pieces of crap. That whole Economic Development Corporation, shame on the state of Michigan. The state of Michigan Treasury allowing for tax increment financing to capture the state education taxes for economic development. Did you see what I just read? Curtis just sent this over. Look at this. Allowing for TIF capture of state education taxes for economic development within the Smart Zones geographic boundaries to support high-tech emerging businesses and entrepreneurs. You want to know why the education is so screwed up? Because they're like, they hate us. They hate us. They hate us. They hate us. This is something we're going to, this is amazing. Thank you, Curtis, for putting that out there. I appreciate that. There is so much nonsense going on out there. They're creating, as Vicki and I are always talking about on Monday, it's all about creating economic zones. It's all about a corporatocracy, the economic and corporate takeover of our entire planet. I hate these people. I'm sorry, God. I don't have it in me to love them at this point in time. Get away with it because nobody challenges them. I say this repeatedly. You have to challenge them. Quit worrying about the three-ring circus in D.C. Worry about cleaning up your own backyard. Challenge these municipalities. Where did they acquire the delegated authority to do what they're doing? They have to state on the record where that delegation of authority came from. Oh, we created an ordinance. Oh, we created a statute. That does not give you the authority to do what you're doing. We the people grant you the authority, and we didn't grant you the authority. So you are usurping your authority. You are now have zero immunity and we get to sue your ass. Yeah. Capture of the state education taxes for economic development. Get this, guys. I'm like speechless right now. Quit funding them. Quit funding them. Yeah, quit funding the Republican Party. Quit funding the Democrat Party. Quit funding all of this stuff. And stand up and tell them to just sit the hell down and shut up. That's what needs to happen to these people. They are horrible. And, you know, somebody's paying them off. They're getting paid on the backside. Look at the contracts. Look at the contracts. Look at the people that they put in place on the townships. Like we've got one guy in our township, Joe Pitch. Joe Pitch is, I believe he's a project manager for Voss Construction. Look at this. It is incredible. Jay declined. He's a developer and a builder. They can't be making decisions on behalf of the people when they are tied at the hip to these development companies that they're really making rulings on. That's a conflict of interest. It's a conflict of interest. They have no authority. None. But nobody contests it. Therefore, what are you doing? You're granting consent because you refuse to get in the game. You refuse to question. You refuse to stand up and say no. You refuse to even collectively file a class action lawsuit against them to shut them down. You don't have to ask for monetary damage. Get an injunction and just shut them down. That's what we're trying right now. And I'm going to tell you what, I brought it up in front of the last township board. I'm like, I want to know who got all these assessments or these easements paid to them. Because I can tell you right now, you can look at the easements and this is what they did. They held back Steve Kilgore's easement to make arrangements with that until the last minute. Steve Kilgore is on an oversight board for the township. And if you look at the path, they zigzagged it through his property, which looks like to enable him to do more development. And right after the fact, he put in for development of his property. He put in for development of his property as the township. And all of these yahoos sitting up in front, including Decline and Tilma and all, well, what are you talking about? We didn't know this was going through Kilgore's land. Then you approved it to go through, you bunch of lying pieces of crap. Yeah, they know. They know. Oh, he's not on a board. Yes, he is. It's on the township website and it's all screenshotted. Guys, you screwed up. You screwed up so amazingly, pathetically and completely. that guess what? They never, ever thought it was going to be questioned. They never, ever thought it. And you know what? It's so amazing to me because I've been asked several times in the Attorney General's office when I was in there. I was asked there and I was asked in the hearing, what, Donna Brandenburg, will happen if you get a big payoff on the criminal case? What's going to happen to your civil case? it's like a bad dream out there because there's not any amount of money that they're going to pay me to make this thing go away and the same thing in the township right now you screwed up there's no amount of money that's going to get me to turn my back on this little gem right now because it's i'm not after the money at this point in time though That's going to come too. I'm after justice and I'm after every single one of these people going to jail for the crimes they committed, because this is absolutely. There's crimes that have been committed. This is not just a procedural problem. This is not just, you know, maladministration, though it is. And that does come with as a crime. This is so much bigger and deeper than this. And this is what has to be done in every single township across the United States of America, because they're all all of them have bought into this. and i shouldn't say all of them i'm going to say the majority of them have been bought bought into this and function the same way if you look at the structure it's the same playbook rubber stamp rubber stamp rubber stamp and that's how they're taking over the united states Their acts are a malfeasance, non-feasance, and misfeasance of duties. Yes. And they need to be held accountable, personally accountable for those actions. They are going to be held accountable. And guess what? Every time they screw up, we get smarter. We're not running. We get smarter. And so the fight that they are going to be fighting, you know, a lawful fight, not grab your torches and pitchforks, is going to continue to get more intense until we see a lawful form of government that represents we the people. They're in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV, which automatically makes it a federal claim. Further, if they're doing it over the Internet, that makes it an automatic federal claim. So, yeah, I mean, the state courts, you're not going to get remedy because they're protecting each other. But the federal court, the remedy is going to be different because they have a different obligation to perform there. They have to enforce the Constitution. They have to. They have to apply it in all cases. Every public functionary is bound by that Constitution. What did you say? You said Article IV, Section IV is a federal claim. What was the other one you said? If they're doing it over the Internet, if they're communicating this information over the Internet, that's another grounds for it to be a federal jurisdiction. Well, that's kind of interesting because on September twenty seven, they put a an article on their site, which was to do damage control on the on the on the website of the township. Hmm. Yeah, they're not the brightest light bulbs sometimes. They're dumb. Their dimmer switch is stuck on low. Yeah, I don't even think it's functioning. So unbelievable. I'm going to write a few things down here. Okay, cool. Well, with that said, and I know that my buddies out there, Karen's out there. Hey, Karen, how you doing? And lots of people out there. Denise is out there. Karen's out there. Love's out there. And Curtis and Alan, a whole bunch of people out there. Had lots of good comments today. So isn't this fun, guys? Isn't this fun to learn and have our power given back to us? You know, President Trump said he was returning the power of the people. I'm pretty sure it wasn't to be going, ta-da, we did it for you. Now you can go back to your golf games, guys. No, it's giving us some friction. So we take time to learn. And we learn how to self-govern. We're a bunch of babies out there. All of us are. We're still going to learn. When we get in office, we're still going to be learning and realizing that we're going to have to go to nullification and back to the Constitution as our very first step. Yeah, I know there's the Convention of States out there. They've been hounding me for a long time. Oh, you want to talk about low dimmer switch on the intelligence. That is some of the dumbest stuff I have ever heard was the Convention of States arguments. And I mean, this is like straight up MK ultra crap. I watched one girl jump up on the ground and land on her knees on the floor multiple times to make a point. Why would a person... jump up in the air, answer me this, and jump up on the air and land on her knees and get up and do it over and over again while talking about this is what we have to do. It's a PSYOP type thing. It's trying to get people to engage their emotions. If something engages people's emotions, you know. I asked him just one pointed question. One pointed question. Can you guarantee me that if you open this Pandora's box of stupidity and try and change the Constitution, the U.S. Constitution in this fashion, can you guarantee to me that the bar associations will not be the ones rewriting the Constitution? Because if you can't guarantee me that, we're already done before we even got started. Oh, like the trust attorney that wrote, that wrote the XMI or they had an involvement with the XMI tax stuff. Yep. And the same law firm that redid the Michigan trust code. Yep. Oh my guys, that's an inconvenient fact now, isn't it? You know, it's, I still have people every day say, well, I back max my tax because we got to get rid of property taxes. You're going to get rid of everything. You're giving away your rights. Yeah. You're, you're, I'm telling you right now, folks, there is something coming down the pipe to eliminate property taxes. Be patient. It doesn't happen overnight. Here's the thing. myself and others are doing the research we're doing uh uh the deep dive on this to get this to put together if you're not willing to do the deep dive if you're not willing to get out there you're just looking for a quick fix band-aid crap um then you know what i i say to you sit on the sideline for right now okay we're working on it it's not going to happen overnight it's not a quick fix Okay. But you got to give us some time to put this thing together. Okay. And it'll be fixed correctly. And it'll be done lawfully, not legally. Yep. Not just this nonsense going on. Okay, well, let's say a prayer. We got to get on to our day today. And so I know that I really appreciate you so much. It's amazing. And the fact that you're willing to share your knowledge with everybody. And thank you to you. Thank you to everybody in your group that you're working with. And I just really appreciate all of you. I wish I could quote every single person's name out there because I know there's a lot of them. but I want to say thank you to all of them. So let's say a prayer. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so much for Mike and every single person that he's working with out there. The same thing with John, Tater, and we ask that your favor and your blessings would rest mightily upon them, that you would open doors for them, that you would give them a greater voice, that you would give them the information they need, that you would speed their processes up, though that they would be thorough, but that you would give them a quicker timeframe so that we can write this thing much, much quicker. I know I'm a little impatient, probably shouldn't be, but it is what it is. Thank you so much for the day that you've given us today. And we just want to serve you in everything that we do. We ask that you would give us the strength, the wisdom and the guidance to do what it is that you want us to do here from smiling at people and being the calm in the storm to being those savage warriors who are just sick of it and are willing to face off with pure evil to put it in its place, which is not here. We, it has no, it has no right to be here. And we, we claim this world, our space, our time and everything for you in the name of Jesus Christ. It's all yours. It never has been ours. And we publicly acknowledge that everything we have, we do our time, our efforts, our words, our, our, uh, All from you, all good things. And thank you so much for being a friend to us and giving us leeway a little bit when we don't do things exactly the way that it should be, but walking us through this so that every day that we learn more, we become more like you. And right now I'm ready for the flipping the tables moment. So thank you so very much. In the name of Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen. So there we go. So you want to have any last words here, Mike? Um, just, you know, educate yourself, get, get engaged. You know, I say this every time you got to get engaged. Um, you can't sit the sidelines. If you're going to sit the sideline, then you know what? Don't complain. Don't complain about how long it's taking to get the remedy. Don't complain that things are the way they are if you're not going to get engaged and participate. So participation comes at many levels. It doesn't mean you have to fight it in court. It could be just do research. Reach out and connect with a lot of these different groups out there. Come out and connect with us. And, you know, we'll educate you to the best of our ability. We'll go over the information. And if we have to go over it ten times until you have that ta-da moment and understand it, then that's what it takes. Not everybody learns at the same pace. Not everybody's going to understand it the first time around. But if you don't try, if you don't get in the game and start, you know what? You have only yourself to blame for the situation that you're going to be in. So... You know, there's a lot of us out there doing, you know, getting, you know, doing the deep fight. If you choose to sit the sideline, fine. Just be patient. Be patient. If that's all you want to do is be on the sideline, don't be a hindrance. Don't be a detriment. Just sit the sideline and wait. you know the remedy's coming and we're going to share that information and we're not going to keep it a secret so um but you got to give us time to you know to get the stuff put together it doesn't happen overnight so love said something about ask my tax that that she was trying to tell her son and her son says i read the proposal language and i don't see anything wrong with that and it's like well i want everybody the simple question is is have any of these proposals ever delivered what they said that they would No, not one of them have. They're adding on confusion on top of what we have instead of let's get rid of it. Unless something is talking nullification, you're being led astray. They are hiding things in there. They're putting pork into these things in a uh in an amendment you know they have pork and bills well they do the same thing with this they confuse the issues by having well one thing sounds good but the other thing doesn't sound so good and so they confuse people they confuse the voters and it's intentional it's intentional confusion confused and besides that the uh the uh board of canvassers is the one that writes the proposal language that's on the front of the ballot you've got to read The three, four pages of language that's written behind it. And then just ask, what was the attorney's name that helped write it? Ask, who was the economist that was worked with? The trust attorneys and such. Ask the questions. And, you know, it's like, oh, that's okay. We're going to have Antifa write our, I'm not saying that this is a tax to ask my tax, but it's about as ridiculous as saying, you know, we had the people represent Antifa write our, you know, our proposals, right? To your viewer out there who's looking for what we're talking about, there's a section of the petition where a bunch of it is crossed out and new language is put in place. Once you get through that section, there will be a one-liner at the bottom right-hand side of the page. It says something to the effect that the following will be either something to do with change or abrogated. And the very first thing after that, there are no changes to the language, which means it's going to be abrogated, which means removed from the Constitution, is Article I, Section X of the Constitution that pertains to no bills of attainer, ex post facto laws, and obligations of contract. They're looking to admit that and get rid of it. So that's the number one thing that I am referencing, that the ax my tax is a Trojan horse. Explain what that is, that section, so people can know exactly what they're getting rid of. Okay, so basically what it means is that if that is omitted, that means that let's say you do something today, and tomorrow they pass a law that says that you can't do it. Now you're going to be charged with a crime because they can retroact backwards and say that what you did yesterday is now a crime because we passed a law today that says so. Bill of Attainer, that's lumping everybody into a category, i.e. sovereign citizens. The best example, the FBI put a report out in twenty eleven says that anybody who challenges their authority or the court's authority is an extremist terrorist pursuant to the FBI report of twenty eleven. So now they're demonizing the term sovereign citizen to scare everybody and manipulate the populace into not challenging their authority. And they're going to create and say that you are committing a crime. You're a domestic terrorist. So you're lumping everybody in. We know for a fact that they have lists that people are being put on and labeled as such through your local police departments. We have the emails, the interdepartmental emails where they're talking about it. So we have the facts. We have the proof. So This is why this is so important. It's depriving you of your rights, okay, by omitting that. And this is why they're manipulating. Now, the Michigan Trust Code is being manipulated as well to where if this is omitted through the Ask My Tax petition, now that also affects the Michigan Trust Code because now it grants power, more power to the probate judges to eliminate remove your trustee without cause, to have control over your beneficiaries, for them to put in court-appointed guardians that control your parents, where they're to live, what medications they are to get, to full control over the assets, because the guardians are going to throw in a bill that says, well, you now owe me X number of dollars as your guardian. Well, we're going to sell the house, we're going to sell the car, the boat, and everything else. What about the land grab? Let's talk about a land grab of the older people who typically when you look in the rural areas, you're talking older people who live on the farmlands. That's a disproportionately large demographic. Okay. So guess what? And we are talking with a developer who admits to being a developer on this. Do you not see the problem here? Yeah, there's a huge problem with this. Huge problem with this. Question everything. And I just received an email the other day from a staunch supporter of Ask My Tax from when it began last year. And I've also had many phone conversations with staunch supporters from back then. They have now all stopped supporting it because they never realized that the language in the petition did what it's going to do. So they have completely stopped supporting it. They're actually petitioning people who have the signature forms to not even turn them in, to stop. Don't even proceed with this. So, yeah, they're losing support for it because it was a Trojan horse from the get-go. Carl Wagner refuses to have a conversation on it. Carl Wagner is not even returning the phone calls of her staunch supporters who are asking her, what's going on here? Is this true? And she won't even talk to them. What does that tell you? She wouldn't answer our questions in the U.S. Taxpayers Party. We gave her six months and she never returned. You know, she never answered any of Bill Moore's question when he was chairman. And it was like, it's very... There's questions. that we've already answered and it's, it needs to just, it just needs to be a done deal. But at any rate, let's get onto our day. Thanks everybody for joining us today. Let here, we're going to go to my twenty, twenty two protests. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Go to Brandon for governor.com because I'm the best non-conceiver who's ever not conceded in the history of the United States of America. And I'd like to have a discussion with the right for president of the United States, president Donald Trump, cowboy boots. So we're better. We talk this, we, that we fixed everything. And, uh, and then we go, we go on with, with, uh, Fixing the United States of America. And I hope you all join us. You know, the reality is you've got to step up. Give me a call. I have made it just incredibly easy for people to get a hold of me. And I put an easy contact. out there, there's no excuse. You all have it now. So call me and say, what can I do? And I will say, well, the first thing is, is that figure, let's figure out what you can do to run for office, or you could take information and pass it on so that we can promote, uh, other good candidates that, that will be, um, will be, uh, stepping up to fill offices and becoming aware of what, and, and educated on the constitution, on the maxims of law and notices. and affidavits the whole time yards in the pro se process. We have to get it down to where we're holding people accountable. And then if people run for office, they'll have a group of people that they can literally turn to and say, what's wrong with this? Help me out. So you're not having to stand alone. And I think that that's the beauty of it is having a group of people around you who will keep you on the straight and narrow so that they don't suck you into their criminal efforts. So there you go. With that said, we're going to take off for today. And just want everybody to know that you're loved. And God bless you. God bless all those whom you love. And God bless America. Make it a great day. It starts here. Feed with good stuff. Stay away from all the doom-scrolling nonsense out there. It's making everybody stupid and paranoid. and stick through the good documents look things up and start questioning everything thanks for being here mike and stay in line just one minute we're gonna end and we will see you tomorrow liberty essentials and greg martini with notices