Published Aug. 31, 2026, 9:01 a.m.
9am Vicky Davis - The Technocratic Tyranny The United Nations as an organization is world communism. The strategy to impose world communism on the people of the United States (and the other countries in this hemisphere) has been economic rather than military as the people were led to believe it would be. It's our own leaders who were the Pied Pipers leading us to this demise of the U.S. I'm working on a timeline that shows the who, when and what. 10am Nate Johnson spent 12.5 years inside the Michigan Department of Corrections and the last 12 years building what they only theorize about. He co-founded Fresh Coast Alliance and Reentry United, established the MDOC pilot partnership, and built the connected reentry ecosystem that became Next Chapters Solutions. His Pre-entry through Post-Entry framework is the backbone of everything NCS does. He lives and leads from Muskegon - the same community he came home to. 11am Chris Dardzinski is a Michigan businessman, former local official, and U.S. Taxpayers Party candidate for Michigan’s 13th Congressional District in the 2026 election. Born in Wyandotte, Michigan, he grew up in a working-class Polish Catholic household. He attended public schools and earned an associate degree from Henry Ford Community College in 1988, studying architecture, engineering, journalism, and political science. Dardzinski spent 31 years in international trade as a senior trade analyst and operations manager for customs house brokers. He later opened Lincoln Towne, a general merchandise store in Lincoln Park. He has also worked as a publisher, author, economic analyst, political consultant, and journalist, and has been affiliated with the Center for Economic and Social Justice, advocating “Just Third Way” ideas including capital ownership and economic democracy. He previously served two terms on the Lincoln Park City Council after running for local office multiple times. On his campaign site (leadership1776.com), he emphasizes strict adherence to the U.S. Constitution, reducing government overreach, a single-rate tax system, addressing poverty through expanded capital ownership, mental health reform focused on the “whole person,” government downsizing, and other detailed policy proposals. A longtime student of the Constitution and national policy who has engaged with Congress since his mid-20s, Dardzinski presents himself as a working-class leader focused on practical solutions over establishment politics. X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1qKVmypmyqZxB Rumble: https://rumble.com/v7evybw-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-8312026-techno-tyranny-johnson-prison-reform-d.html https://rumble.com/v7evy66-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-8312026-techno-tyranny-johnson-prison-reform-d.html BNN Live: https://Live.BrandenburgNewsNetwork.com Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Vicky Davis, Nate Johnson, Chris Dardzinski
Good morning and welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it is the thirty first day of August twenty twenty six. Welcome to our show today. We're going to have a bunch of people on today, which is kind of fun. It's amazing how many people are wanting to get on the show, especially lately. And I think it's because we are no censorship and everybody, a lot of people are still being sent. So the news, we are the news. So so there you go. And we get to the podcasters and that sort of thing. It's a new news, right? So at any rate, we start out at nine o'clock with the technocratic tyranny, Vicki Davis. We're going to be talking about all kinds of things that that are looking at the global structure that we're fighting, the tyrannical global structure being taken over by, you know, the technocracy. So and at ten o'clock, I have a new gentleman on. His name is Nate Johnson. And he is talking about prison reform. He spent twelve years, I believe, in the prison system. And he has when he came out of it, he realized that people need to get it, you know, get a little help reintegrating into society. So that's what he does. And he's a pastor. And then eleven o'clock, Chris Dardzinski. We're going to be talking again about economic policies. So here we go. Let's. Good morning, Vicki. How are you doing? Good morning. Just fine. Thanks. You have a good weekend. Yeah, actually I did. I spent a lot of time thinking about things, which I do all the time anyway, but I guess it depends on my current interest, you know, how great it is. Sure. Well, I was running around like a savage all weekend, which... Not surprising, I'm sure, to anyone, but I spoke down at the base bar down by Kalamazoo or Battle Creek. And that was real fun. Had a great group of people there. Autumn was there. It was a tea party event, but it looks like they're going to be moving over to U.S. Taxpayers Party. Then we had another event. I got to go to a meeting with Linda McMahon, the Secretary of Education. That was very interesting. I do like her very much. I think they're trying to retool the education system and put it more in the hands of people that are local and parents. So she's got a lot of innovative ideas and waiting to hear even more about that. So that's one of the things I did. And then we went around and talked to a bunch of people in Port Huron again. We went through some other towns and it's really incredible how many people are stepping forward. I had a podcast on, let's see, Friday. with here's trying to get the engines rolling. I need a little bit more coffee with Robert Gouvet. And I really like this guy. He is an attorney, but he talks about things, but he's funny. He's kind of a little snarky. He's real funny, but did an hour and a half interview with him. And that's kind of blown up, which is really fun. There's a lot of people that have been watching that i i put my phone number of course out for everybody so people can call or text and i have had a flood of calls people that want to help as you know get us off the uniparty nonsense and and so that's been real fun got a chance to talk to quite a few people that followed up on that and i don't know what the count is right now but It went up there pretty fast, pretty quickly. I watched it, actually. Did you? Yeah, I watch him quite a bit because he always has pretty interesting topics. Yeah. And it's always current, you know. So, yeah, I did listen to most of your interview. Oh, you did? Oh, that's cool. Well, that's kind of fun. Let me see what we're up to here. I did enjoy the interview a lot. He's so well informed that it's more over sixty thousand now on that one. So let me see where we are. Yeah, we're over sixty thousand viewers on that one. So that's that's kind of fun. And it was a it was a fun interview. Lots of response to it. So it's kind of it's kind of getting a little bit bigger every single day. So we'll see where this goes. But lots and lots of people responding to that one. So thank you to Robert. It was it was amazing. And he does great work and and and so so very informed. Well, so where are we going to go this morning as I'm still trying to run my five screens that I've got up here? Well, as usual, I've been kind of immersed in the history of what happened to our government. What drew me back there was that, of course, the Democratic Socialists of America made an appearance. And I heard one guy, you know, pretty popular, talk show who basically was dismissing them as if they're nothing and nobody. And I thought, you know, man, did that guy just expose himself or what? You know, because the Democratic Socialists of America, they've been around at least since the early nineteen seventies that I know of. But I think it actually goes back to to when the UN was created, if not before. And they're, of course, associated with the Socialist International. And basically, they're like pre-communists, you know. They seek to redesign everything, and especially from the nineteen seventies forward, and most especially pertaining to our government when the first of all there were the atari democrats a group of democrats that were became associated with each other to try and help save our tech industry because uh our you know atari um The guy who bought it, I think he owned Commodore, and he was going to move the business to Asia. So this group of Democrats got together to support the tech industry, and they evolved into the Democrat Leadership Council. And they are the ones that actually redesigned our government for the information age. under the name of the third way uh third way of governing which the third way of governing is of course governance by information systems you know and i uh i it it's such a big topic such a big subject area that it's hard to encapsulate except that they basically turned all regular people into essentially commodities. Because it occurred at the same time of globalization. And that's what the deal is with our open borders for labor. Labor is a commodity on the world market. Well, people have to understand that they put us all into commerce so that they can manage us. And that's what I believe all the surveillance is about. It's about being able to know people's mindsets, their habits, what they're doing, so that if they can't control you, they're going to take you out, you know, in one way or another. And maybe to the point of poisoning you or actually creating an even more clear and direct threat. But when they know all of our mindsets and what we're predisposed by, they can get in and they can create messages. They can do messaging like in the political world. I mean, the whole thing is about lying to the people. They create the messages in order to manipulate people and get their vote. Whether they do anything about it or not, that's not even part of the equation. All they have to do is get people kind of captured as a captured asset with their minds. I mean, it's an information war because if you control the information and you understand how somebody's, their MO, how they think, what they do, you can literally tell them things to jive with their bias and they'll go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at, these people are so smart. I'm going to go stand with that group over there or that group over there. And none of it's based on fact. It's all opinion or just created, curated content. That is the biggest problem we have right now is that people are waking up, but there's a lot of people that haven't woken up or aren't waking up quick enough. So not only are they in danger for themselves, but they continue to propagate the message. And they're using the technology in order to do that. So, you know, you want to talk about MKUltra. It's a real thing. It's going on. How come so many people took that vaccination? Because every day, over and over and over and over and over again, they had it on the media. They had, you know, Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson. You know, the companies you can trust. And they tell you what they want your mind to go towards. Instead of saying, trust you? Hell no. You know? Yeah. Why would I trust a corporation that has such an abysmal record? Why would I trust Fauci who watched beagle pups being eaten alive by sand fleas? This is insane. Also, when you look at the structure, do you watch Promethean action? I do watch Promethean when they have those clips. I haven't gone to their website to join because I'm not a joiner, but What do you think of their message? Because it's really chasing down the British crown. I think that they've got quite a bit of very good information on there. Yeah, I do too. And Britain has been obviously behind the war. development of global governance you know almost from the beginning and that you know they started out with ports and so they always ruled from like behind the scenes they they never uh although they might have in some places in india but that but they always uh ruled from the back you know you know what i mean that like they're the puppet masters And whoever the leaders were in a country, they were the puppets. And so that's the way the British do things. And it's not Britain per se. It's their foreign secretary, their state department. Which is where all the nonsense always starts with as far as for globalization. It ends up being you know, prioritized over the nation. Hang on a minute, I'm gonna send a message to buddies and tell everybody that we're here. So on Instagram. Okay, well, and our government became effectively the same thing. Our State Department really runs our policy. As a matter of fact, do you know what? I really question whether or not we won World War II. I kind of see it as we were the losers. I don't think we did win it. And the reason being is that I think World War I was all about the monetary system. And that's what they brought in was monetary dominance and control. And World War II, I think, was about bringing in the UN and these unconstitutional government structures where it really got kicked into high gear. And people were prosperous at that time. So they didn't see a reason to change it or even really pay that much attention, you know, the net income. was so high that when people get in that high net income, things are going to go downhill because they're not paying attention. They're having fun. They're living their most, you know, the best life, the best self and that sort of thing. But they don't realize that the bad guys are just waiting for that to happen so they can slither in as snakes. So while we're all, you know, partying and doing whatever else we're doing, we're not paying attention to things. So There's a lot of things we really need to question. And the minute we get comfortable, that's when the noose is put around our necks and then it starts to tighten. Yeah. Yeah. The conversion of our government, of our country, has occurred incrementally over time. And another thing, too, is that the media, the newspapers and radios, they almost never covered anything to do with the United Nations. They're hiding it. Yeah, I can't speak to the forties, of course, because I wasn't here then. But, you know, from the nineteen sixties forward, I do remember in the sixties and I don't remember what. But that it came out that UNESCO was a communist organization. And, you know, they used to collect pennies for UNESCO or something, something to that effect. And that's when it came out that they were communist. And so... I think that the Tavistock, I was reading an article by Wano Seven and I know him. He actually endorsed me for governor. And I was reading his Substack article on the Tavistock Institute and such and how they make things look like it's such a great, oh, it's going to be a utopia thing. And everybody goes, yeah, that sounds great. Right. And then until you look at it and go. wait a minute, you know, and let's see what's really behind this. But I wanted to bring something else up because I'm working on a couple of projects right now, like I always am because, you know, I get bored easily. And so I have to have enough to chew on. Like I never read one book at a time. I usually have five of them going and I, you know, pick and choose three of them and such. But I want to tell everybody that we're going to be working on this and you're going to see a lot of stuff coming out on this from Donna Brandenburg and a couple of researchers that I have become kind of like a introduced, reintroduced to again. I know I've known this several people for many, many years. And all of a sudden, I can tell you that God's brought us back together. And what we're going to be talking about is one of them happens to be a doctor, you know, I know a bunch of doctors, but the the way that they've been poisoning people specifically in Michigan, because you got to realize, they're trying to kick us off the land. So when you look at, I'm going to go back to Promethean action and how they talk about the British conquering the world, basically. Britain is built on a rock, okay? So England is a freaking rock in the middle of water. Defensible fort, basically, and that's it with zero resources. And I mean zero. So think about that. You're going to build your power structure on a rock in the middle of water, defensible, and then you're going to go out and colonize and build an imperial system where you grab every other piece of the globe and go after the resources. Michigan is so valuable because we are completely rich in resources. So what it's looking like is potentially, I'm not going to say this, but somebody who's researching this, an epidemic of a bioweapon that's been spread through ticks, but it has moved into other species for the spread. So you can get it now, not just by ticks, but by gnats and flies and anything else. And what they did is they paired it with bacteria, with viruses, et cetera. And it's looking like it kind of morphs because it self-assembles within the body. So we're trying to get down to the, through the mechanism by which so many people are getting sick. It's not just COVID. It's not just the shot. It's not all of that though. It's part of it, but there's more. And I want to talk about this really quickly. So there are two classes of biological weapons, those that act quickly and typically kill tactical bioweapons and those that act slowly to Disable, tire, and exhaust, as they're called, strategic bioweapons. Strategic bioweapons are stealthy and hard to attack, to track, diagnose, and treat. Although not typically fatal, they are far less successful than tactical weapons in the long term used strategically on a larger nation or groups of people. They've been using biological weapons forever, okay? And it's something that we really need to pay attention to. So the way that they do this too, or several of the ways they do it is actually the equine connection to this is really, really interesting because what they'll do is they will inject this into horses and then use the horse biology because the horse biology can overcome, which is also key to fixing this. Horse biology is a way to put it in there. The horses overcome it and then they can take out some of their biology and use it to attack human beings who don't have as robust of an immune system. So the animal kingdom and the animal disease are a vast reservoir of new human pathogens in endless varieties and before the advent of modern genetic engineering. Genetic engineering was done through the use of animal pathogens to bring around desired mutations. We're going to get into this because there are systems in the body, and I'm going to say it's looking like probably at least fifty percent of the population of Michigan has been hit and poisoned by a bioweapon, and it's a mutating one. So we're going to be looking at the paths to get back to better health. And quite honestly, it looks like when I got diagnosed with incurable cancer years ago and I stopped going to doctors, I'm like, these people do not have any reason to cure this at all because cancer is a billion, billion, billion dollar business, right? They don't want to cure it. No more than Right to Life wants to fix abortion. They don't want to fix it because it's too big. So people that are close to the you know, that are on the lower tiers, they absolutely believe in right to life. I believe in the sanctity of life and such. But when you look at those structures at the top, that's where you have to look at to find out who's pulling the strings. Do they want to fix this? The government doesn't want to fix it. We may want to fix it as citizens, but the government doesn't want to fix it because they've got an automatic cash cow of people continuing the grift for themselves and stealing from us and then put in the surveillance. And now they've got everything that we can do so they can manipulate us more to go along with their stupid sheep program of of capture. Right. And I'm not calling anybody stupid sheep necessarily. Sometimes I am, I guess. But but it's their program of keeping us captured and doing what they want us to do. And it's a very predatorial process. But the same thing is true of the cancer industry, the industry for sanctity of life. They're lying to you. They do not want to fix this. And I talked to the gal that wrote the heartbeat bill, and she said the same thing. She said, right to life was our biggest, biggest opponent for the heartbeat bill because she said they're making too much money. And I talked to somebody within the cancer industry that was in charge of a facility down in Georgia, said the same thing. They said they don't want to cure. They don't want to cure cancer. They've got something great here that they can continue to make trillions of dollars off of. They're not going to stop it. And the people at the top that are the very small amount. So every single industry you can look at that has regulatory capture that has, um, uh, The extraction of profits like the building trades, the building trades and all of their suppliers, they figured out exactly how to get the most money out of it and put you on a subscription. We're all on a subscription to life, to those things that we own through the, you know, the way the Constitution was set up. But they're good at it. They're good at, you know, manipulating people. I'll give you that. Right. Well, and once you break through that mind barrier to begin to understand the system that has been set up, then it's easy to see that just like you said, they're making too much money to cure cancer. Why would they do that? Until they get some other genetically based disease. I took a look at that when I discovered the human genome project that began in nineteen ninety, you know, where they were trying to map the map, the DNA, the genes. And then in two thousand and seven, Well, around the year two thousand, they they were able to finish mapping the genes because of computer technology. And it allowed them to do it much, much faster. And look at twenty three and me and all this other stuff that people were like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's sign up for this. This would be great. I want to look at my lineage. Curiosity killed the cat. Sometimes this is one that should have been thought through a little bit more. Yeah. Well, people are very naive in terms of computer systems. They really just don't have any idea of what you can glean from aggregated information about you and your family and everything else. Once you have that aggregated information, then that information can be used to manipulate you. one way or another you know either manipulate you in a pro direction or manipulate you in a con direction and pro and con in your interest it's always pro in their interest right and so um basically you just become a rat in a laboratory and they do with you what they will Yeah, so we just have to outsmart them, and that's the plan here at any rate. So we've got so many people who have called and stepped up to help with the U.S. Taxpayers Party, which is the Michigan affiliate of the Constitution Party. As we put out good information and invite people in, our Friday night Zooms are going really well. Anybody can join it. And it's an open mic talk to the candidates and listen to what we're talking about, how we're going to solve the problems. Not just sitting here in a three-point speech and then whammo, out the door I go. That's what most of the politicians M.O. is. No, we sit there for two hours and we talk to people and we discuss things and listen to the problems that they have in their lives. We're literally listening to problems in a lot of them and how one gal called me this week. And we talked, I listened to her talk for about forty five minutes and how the police have been targeting her. And I'm like, hmm, wonder if they're after the area that she's living in. That's my first. Yeah, her property. They're after the property, just like with farmers. When you watch them drain the ground and install these water monopoly systems, they're after the land. And then they're going to tax you out of it because they're in they're in bed with the appraisers. and the assessor's office in order to raise your taxes. So they kick you off the land. That's what they want. They want the resources and you and I are in their way. Yeah, you're right. You're right on target. And they were able to go pound sand on their little, they didn't go pound rock, let's put it that way, on their little rock in the middle of the, you know, the rock fortress in the middle of the ocean, you know, hate to say it, but they kind of deserved the problems that they have right now. with the migrant immigration there because the power structure needs to come down. And I feel sorry for the people, but if you go along with bad policies and you refuse to stand up, same thing in the United States. People constantly say, I just am not going to vote anymore. There's no reason to vote. And this is my way to have a protest. You're stupid. OK, when you do that. And when when I see people that say that, I'm just like, oh, great. Sit on your high horse. But don't come bitching to Donna Brandenburg when things go right, because you decided to sit on the sidelines. And in your little, you know, I'm self-righteous thing instead of getting up and doing your civic duty. I've got no respect for that when I hear that. It's a quitter. It's a coward's. It's a very ego driven coward's path to avoiding responsibility and having to actually think about things. You know, go drink your fat, your herbal tea and eat your fat free cookie with that kind of attitude. It's ignorant. Yeah. Well, the problem is that the media fails in its job to explain the issues to people, bring the real issues to people, and to present what the issues are in depth. Now, maybe it's because people won't listen to that stuff. Most people just look at a candidate and say, oh, I like the way they look. I'm going to vote for them. You know, not putting any brain power in it at all. I wish we had somebody that, you know, anybody that stepped up that was absolutely butt ugly but could walk in there, ornery as all get out, and could go in there and just, you know, Hulk-like methodology. to go in there and fix this you know that i i would be like great i'll bring you cookies i'll even make you pies i'll come here and play with my horses and my bees and such you know it's like the the person who's most qualified to manage the trust needs to do it quasi-motor i don't care you know doesn't matter that you know what that on that that will never happen i i don't believe because everything that is in media it's all about image not not about substance it's about image i mean you know in the uh nineteen eighties when they used to have uh on the weekends especially these uh discussion programs where you get serious journalists together and they they would um Discuss issues in depth. I was the only person I knew that would listen to those, not my mom and dad, my brother, his wife, nobody. Nobody watched those except me. And, you know, when I was in watching them on the TV and one of them would come into the room, they would groan, you know, want to turn it to something else, something, some entertainment thing or something. Oh, I got to show you what I put out there this morning. I'm so done with this, you know, this nonsense going on in the United States. And the inability for so many people to refuse to get involved. And it's all about their feelings and emotions. And, you know, this person, nice person, blah, blah, blah. And then completely ignoring their history. So I posted this this morning. Thank you to Willem. He passed this on to me. Thank you has become so normal that people get offended by honesty. Is that not completely true? Yes, absolutely true. You sit out of the election and you don't vote. The honesty is you're a coward. You're sitting out. You're trying to justify through some sort of weird ego that you're righteous by sitting out of this instead of saying, you know what, we're going to get in the trenches and do the work that needs to be done and step up. And for like I said, I'm not going to be real nice to people that don't do anything and say, oh, you know, I didn't do this because, you know, I just it doesn't matter anyway. Well, what does your civic duty say? Your civic duty says you need to do this. And just because, you know, I get asked this question a lot, too. Well, if our elections don't count and they don't right now. And that's the key right now is that statement right there is that, you know, they're, they're rigging it in so many ways, then why should I vote? And I tell them it's because it is your civic duty and we don't do things in our lives based on other people's failure. Or anything like that. We do it because that's our duty. Whether anybody agrees, whether anybody else is doing the right thing. Why would you jump on the idiot wagon of, well, everybody's doing it. Or this is the only way. instead of doing the right thing, or, I mean, I, we can couch this in a million allegoricals, allegorical scenarios to maybe that's something you need to do is write allegories of failure and why people justify not doing anything. Yeah. Yeah. I can argue it both ways. I mean, if you live in a state where it truly does matter, where it swings back and forth between Republican and Democrat, then yeah, you better get out there and vote. But if you live in a state like I live, that is Republican, has always been Republican, and probably will never be anything else but Republican, It's like New York. It's Democrat. That's it. They have the Republican Party there, but my theory was always that they only kept the Republican Party alive so that two Democrats could run against each other. Well, I think we've got that across the United States because the Uniparty, and I've been calling for unconditional surrender from everyone that's in office right now because they've all committed treason. So, you know, no negotiation. Resign. Resign, surrender, get the hell out, and let the real adults get in there and restore this constitutional republic without having to, you know, have President Trump call emergency powers. We're already at it in a declared war. I mean, that was clearly stated by President Trump as well as the Speaker of the House. So we're already under military rule right now anyhow. But, you know, some people are on the uptake. Yeah, I really wish he would do that, you know, and call for elections. President Trump, we're calling for you to go to emergency declaration. And write these elections, please. We the people are asking you to let's get this thing done. We really want to see the emergency declaration called. And let's go ahead and write these elections. We have to get them righted because we the people understand we don't have elections right now. And they're cheating on every single level. And we would really like to request you in the most respectful way to declare elections. an emergency and get this thing handled. We don't even know if President Trump won. If we want to be honest, if you've got a rigged election, how do you know that anything is Republican or Democrat? How do you know that anybody actually got in office? How do you know that anybody? We don't have the real counts. Right. Well, the whole thing is kind of a mess. We need to have paper ballots. They need to be counted at the precinct where the election was held with cameras focused on it. Right. And observers, you know, so that we know it's an accurate count. Anything other than that, you know, I remember in the year that the problem in Florida and the hanging chads and all that nonsense, I worked with key punch machines for about seven years when I was young. To have hanging chads like that in all the cards, I call BS. It's total BS. Uh-huh. So I did key punch too when I was in college because, of course, we were all going to be programmers. So we had to take the one worthless programming class that we were able to program like two times three or something like that. It was ridiculous. But you know what the best thing about key punch machines were? What? Okay. I'm a savage. It makes the best confetti for football games. Oh, true. Yeah, true. I mean, where would the big eighties hair, you could really get that stuff everywhere. And, you know, where, where would the night, uh, New York parades be, you know, without the chads from key punch cards, you know? Yeah. Um, well they had the ticker tape too, I should say, but, uh, anyway. Yeah. So I did that, uh, for about seven years and then I went to school for programming. But initially, I was thinking there was a solution for automating voting. But after thinking about it, listening and watching and everything, I don't believe there is. I think only paper ballots, period, end of story. I'd like to go one step further and treat the ballots like like currency, so that it comes under counterfeiting laws. So if somebody Xeroxes, that's the state's antiquated term for telling people to cheat, which they did with me, is that, I didn't do it, but that was from our buddy Lydia in the Bureau of Elections, that Xerox off the petitions. And so at any rate, we have to have Extreme punishment for things that leave an opening to usurp or launch coup against the United States. I also think that we should probably have a U.S. marshal in every single one of the precincts. And if somebody is cheating and they're observing this, they get arrested on the spot, arrest them on the spot. You know, if they're not following the policies, then, you know, we need to have somebody that can literally arrest on the spot for violating the protocols that are set forward to keep these elections secure. And that would end a lot of nonsense because the U S marshals don't mess around. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. They're pretty tough guys. Um, Or National Guard. I mean, you do state, you could do state, federal. I don't know about National Guard. They're kind of like the nice guys, you know, they're your neighbors. I want a badass in there that's going to go in there and say, you know, that's what I really want to see because regular people need that protection. It's the ones that are cheating. Why are we going soft on them? That's why we have such a problem in the United States right now. The non-judicial, the injustice system lets out people who are true offenders and they're keeping victimless people who are being charged with victimless crimes in the prison system because it's a quote. Well, and they're rewarded, you know, for the statistics. It's not the crimes, not the criminal activities. It's the analysis of the statistics. For profit. Well, for whatever purpose, you know. I know that our counties, they were getting paid for reduced crime. Well, the way that they reduced crime was to not charge criminal activity. You know, let them go. That's why that guy in Florida, I think it was Florida, that killed, I don't know how many people. He took the gun to school and shot up a whole bunch of people. That's why he did that, because he kept pushing and pushing and pushing. They never would arrest him and keep him, never charged him with a crime. They always let him go because it would have messed up their statistics. And so he ended up just going nuts. Have you ever looked into the satanic cults that are targeting children? Not too much. I have a real hard time looking at the crimes against children. So I leave that to other people. It's not necessarily, that's not where I was going. It's that there are actually these predatory satanic cults that target children and they look at them for being unaffiliated, alone, feeling sorry for themselves because of a family situation, that they're easy to to bring them into these cults, and then they will get them to do things like kill their parents or go and do a school shooting. So they get these kids all messed up in the head and then send them out there. There's a gal that's on X, and she's put together quite a few videos on this. Now, I'm not giving her... A personal endorsement. I don't know her, but I, but I like, you know, I've, I texted her and such. She's, she's interesting, but, but her series that's, that's out there is, is, let me see if I can bring up her handle here. She's got a series of, of let's see, BX. It is it is at BX underscore on underscore X. So they she her her stuff in ability to explain exactly what happens in these these satanic structures. to capture our children, moms and dads spend time with your kids. You've got to spend time with them because there's so much bullying in the schools and such that, that, that so many kids don't even know that they're important or loved or anything. And there's predators out there that are trying to capture them for sex trafficking, for whatever, but also surely for doing these crimes. And, and, and it's, it's, it's organized. I had to think the one that's cause it's a, uh, hang on, I'm going to look something up here because it's on her page. Her page is actually really good. So you want to see things, but it's kind of shocking. It is kind of shocking to see how she'll, she'll get into like, here's one is the, the strange story of how I found myself in the middle of an investigation into a network of cannibals. She's got that there. So stop, it's tough. You know, if you're not, stout of character or have a strong stomach you probably won't like some of this stuff however I think that it's important for us to look into but yeah look her up she's interesting but talks about how they prey on children especially that are in their teens teenagers to get them to do to get them to do these horrible crimes to your point the school shooting you know yeah yeah i um i've read those stories i mean i uh they used to talk about the i don't know if you remember but like in the sixties and seventies they had these um like magazines and newspapers that had uh just weird things that you could never read about in your newspaper uh but they would tell the stories in those kind of, not X-rated, but like B-rated materials for sale. They would talk about those kinds of things. So I've read about it, but not real life in newspapers and stuff. Here's one of the things she said. I attended the Kyle Spitz hearing today in Knoxville. It was emotionally exhausting. Kyle is a seven, six, four member who went viral after being shot in the ear by his mom's boyfriend three years ago. He's facing between thirty and seventy. years in federal prison for the crimes against children both sides made arguments and presented evidence but the judge defended the announcement of the sentence until a later date and during the hearing we saw evidence of this sadistic abuse kyle inflicted on his young victims and such so these people that are in these satanic networks they are absolutely targeting children and for parents. I was going to tell you right now, it's in the schools, they go where kids are, they go where they hang out. And the family is so important. to protect. Well, you know, family is a protection for children. They're not adults. They don't think they're not, you know, not like developed like an adult would to even see the danger. But if somebody gives them a little attention when their attention start or they feel alone or that they don't fit in, like all kids do, they're going to go and look for that if you're not providing it. Well, you know what? Um, I, I think you were talking about the schools earlier. I think that we should tear down our entire damn school system. I do too. Thank you so much. Tear it down and rebuild it. And what are the objectives for children K-to-K-twelve? They need to learn to read. They need to learn to write. And they need language arts. But what do we have? We have workforce development. We have capture of children so they don't think, they don't have skills to get out on their own. They can't live without being plugged in to the corporatocracy. as a slave class of people that get on these career paths. That's just another pen in their little human farm that they can't ever get off of because what are they going to do? Right. Well, and what happens, you know, with the ideas of the schools being workforce development, you have children that graduate that can't read. They can't do simple math. They have no skills. None. Zero. And that just it just upsets me so much. I mean, you know, when I went to school, I remember there were a pair of twins that went to school and they they were both retarded, which is not politically correct to say that anymore. But that's what they were. They were retarded. But they didn't. both learned to read at a certain level, at the level that they could, because that's what we did in school. We learned to read and to write and to do basic mathematics. But they don't even do that much for the kids today. And I'm sure that it started at the point when we began to move into the information technology era, computer systems. And so because everybody in the country needed to learn about computer systems, they destroyed our schools in the name of teaching automation and technology. You know, without thinking that you can't do anything with automation and technology if you can't read for crying out loud. You know, so they can't. They can't. Let's see. I'm going to see if I can get that X, that one X count. Looks like I can't online. So I'm going to try something else. It's OK. Yeah. And here's an example of how they how badly they've screwed this thing up. Whether you believe that people are doing it intentionally or not, some people are, some people are just, you know, non-aware, complicit people in the system to do the wrong thing, right? But someone is controlling the direction because it's too organized. Someone is controlling it. Whether you believe they're human or if you believe that they're satanic, demonic, otherworldly, that are chronic, somebody is controlling this. And so when you look at what they've done to destroy the workforce, here's a perfect example of this. How come eighteen year olds can't get the commercial license to be truck drivers? Well, I don't think it's all bad because, you know, a little bit of training and experience on the road is going to be a good idea. But hell, we give it all to the Pakistanis and the Indians coming in the country that have no idea how to drive by our laws. But I digress. So but an eighteen year old coming out of school, how come they don't we don't do something different like that? Like give them an opportunity to learn on the job and have them tandem drive with a with a a veteran truck driver, American truck driver, who actually can maybe understand a little bit of how to look for distributed loads and how to navigate, how to understand maybe simple mechanics and that sort of thing, so that when they get on the road, they don't just get in the truck and go like this. And that's pretty much it, but that they're actually looking around and perceiving and doing that. Why are we not doing this? Because they could be earning money for the three years that it takes for them to get a commercial license to drive truck. It's insane. So you waste three years of their lives doing something. And then by the time they get there, are they interested or not? Or they spent three years partying. instead of being productive. The strength of being a farm kid is that you learn to work from the time that you're, you know, you can put a pair of boots on. You're bringing water to things. You're feeding chickens. You're doing, that's what the kids did. That's what they did in the Bible. You know, these shepherds were mostly young girls that were watching the sheep. It wasn't older guys. It was the younger girls that were watching the sheep. And so it's, we think backward, backward. So our focus is on playing full time. Parents helping fulfill every dream that their child has to get on stage and such. And they walk out, they are completely ill-equipped because they've been on the entertainment stage the entire time. They're in school or the extracurricular or whatever. You guys got your kids into stuff full time. And, you know, I don't understand it. I don't understand these extracurricular nonsense out there where they never do anything that's applicable to real life. Incredible teamwork. It isn't teamwork. They put the best kid in and the rest of the kids sit on the bench most of the time. What are they actually learning? Yeah, I don't know. That all has to do with workforce development, but maybe not in the fields that you think they should. I remember the first article I read in the paper about a young guy. He was in high school, and he was doing a semester working for... I don't know. I think it was a Walmart or Sam's or something like that. But this kid's in a tire shop and he's wearing a pair of tennis shoes, you know, and a pair of shorts. Well, you don't work in a place like that wearing tennis shoes and shorts. You know, it's too dangerous. You know how many people bring their kids out to my barn and they're wearing open toe sandals? And I sit there and I look, I'm going to tell you what, I look at the parents like, dang, you know, and you, you want, you wanted to have your kids out here to interact with horses. I actually had my mini horse Shetland mix step on my foot last week while I was bringing her through the gate. And for some reason she sidestepped and stepped right on my foot. And this is like a four hundred pound horse, not a big horse, a small, small pony. She's maybe, she's maybe four hundred pounds. That is intense pressure on those little bitty shark pups. I was like, you know, a couple of minutes ago. I'm glad you weren't a big one, but but it was a little painful. Shout out to Curtis. Welcome, Curtis and Jay Murfman and Lab. And let's see who else is on the chat here. So good morning, everybody. Curtis says Michigan is ranked number one for the least hardworking state. try to hire people here. I can tell you, you're probably true because I got better things to do, you know, work, work, work, getting in my way of my fun. I got things to do this weekend. I've got to go hook up with somebody I don't know and play full time. And then, you know, try to try to make our, our parents feel like we're, we're really all that in a bag of chips, but you know, incredible. I don't know, but wait, but I don't know. I think our society is messed up. I do have hope that at some point it will get straightened out and people will remember that human society is more important, I think, than business. You know, they kind of integrated people into the business world, turned them into workers, And, you know, so our human society is suffering. And we produce people that are not of good character that, I don't know, it's rather chaotic, I think. Yeah, well, that's the thing is like that has, okay, hang on a minute, I've got to. get this out to my next guest, because clearly the the email must not have gone through. Let me see what happened here. You see, if I've got this right, who just one minute. Talk amongst yourselves, please. Well, I make sure I get this. Sorry. Yeah, I forget to talk if if I'm not spoken to it. Oh, well, you're very polite. I you know, no. But yeah, I hope your other guest shows up. Oh, he's there. He's just like trying to get on and it didn't go through email. I got to tell everybody right now that, let's see, I'm going to say re-email Nate. Okay, here I'm supposed to talk. Yeah. Talking, talking. Talking, we're talking now. So that's OK. This is the great thing about it is it's live and it's it's it's live and it's it's it's authentic. Oh, there we go. I see him. So awesome. I see you, Nate. We'll bring on in just a minute. So glad you're able to get that figured out. And somehow I was going to say is that there has been so much that has been been down. Let me pull it down detector right now because. If you're having a flakiness moment with your phone or internet on any level, it's absolutely a real thing. So let's see where we're at right now. Oh yeah, Verizon. There's a few things that are out there. I think we've got a real problem right now with the infrastructure and we're seeing somewhat of a deconstruction of of the internet right now. Yeah, I agree with you. They've been locked. They've been locking it down. That's what I consider. Like everybody has moved to Rumble, but they make you log in to Rumble. Anything that they make me log into, I almost won't do it. You know, I'm just about at the end of my internet rope. Because I'm getting older anyway. Look at the... I just got a Starlink so that when I'm on the road I can get connected because the internet is so... Oh yeah, there's a spike going on right now. Look at Service Electric, Instagram, Microsoft. It's all Microsoft stuff. This is why we don't want Microsoft to have all of our stuff all the time. There's too much. But look at the look at the instability on everything and the patterns are the same. Look at the, look at Gemini, look at the pattern rather than the individual and look at the same, look at the same pattern with a Reddit star link. Right now we're having an issue. GitHub, Claude, RingCentral, MyChart. And, uh, I wonder if we have, let's see, let's look at the, uh, I want to see if we've got the town detector map. I'll bring that up later. But anyhow, that's pretty indicative. But the cell phone networks, I have been having a terrible time lately. And I mean a terrible time because we monitor it because we own a tech company. And I can tell you that there are some big issues right there, which makes me wonder how much of this are they tearing down right now to deconstruct it. I hope a lot of it because, you know, we've been talking about a grid and a financial complex. collapse for a long time I'm hoping for it because we'll bounce back again you know Americans are mutts and they're after us in a way because they want our resources so it's like bring it let's get through this and get this done it's going to happen I would rather be in control of it rather than have them pounce it on us you know well I don't know maybe finally there are some serious people looking at the internet and what it's done to human society and to the workforce and everything else. DEHUMANIZED. Yeah, dehumanization. But China would also like to bring us down. So I think China is our intelligence. It's our deep state. You know, when I look at countries, I don't even really believe that we really have necessarily. I think we're returning to it, but I really think it's the globalist. crime syndicate, the transnational crime syndicate that overlays everything. And at this point in time, Ukraine's a proxy country. North Korea was a proxy country for our own intelligence apparatus. You could be right more than that. I think there's more. That's why they broke us up into those economic regions that you always talk about. Because countries, when you break it up into economics and you have all of the global corporations funding our politicians in the millions and billions of dollars, you've got a corporate control of everything. And at that point in time, We the people, their little controlled workforce that's been spied on as predators do and makes it. So I think the main thing is I don't get depressed about this. I want to know where the targets are to put the blame and then be able to put structures in place. that will disable them. You know, we're going to kneecap them a little bit. And I don't mean in a physical way. So don't go to grab your torches and pitchforks because that's ignorant, you know, but, you know, do it with a lawful method and, you know, seriously turn into God and having some ethics here. So you ready? Yeah. It's that time. Yeah. Okay. Next time we'll have to talk about regionalization at the local level. Yeah. I want to continue to go into these biological weapons and see the connection with animals and then the structures of germ warfare and how they use animals to create variants and And then what to do to get out of it. I mean, the fact that I had the incurable cancer thing years ago and I just decided, yeah, doctors, they don't have a plan. So I'm going to make my own and figured it out what you have to do. I'm going to tell everybody right now is your first thing is you better get it figured out how to to clean out all your filter organs. and clean your body up. First of all, get some, you know, get out there and, and figure out a way to get into a sauna and sweat like crazy or go to work, make yourself sweat. You got to get that body moving so that you're, you're actually working your muscles like a, you know, squeezing out a sponge. So you get all these toxins out of you and then don't put anything back in that's going to compromise it. That's the first step right there. So, well, I'm going to go to a quick a very quick, let me see if I get this up here, a fifty-seven second little break and I'll be right back on with Nate Johnson and we're going to talk about the prison system reform. I got a bunch of gripes about the prison system because I think that they're doing, because they're not, they're not private or public anymore they're private so they're for-profit entities and so they're making money off of individuals and and uh it's just too bad so we're gonna go to a quick break and we'll be right back in exactly And welcome to the second hour of Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg. It is the thirty first day of August twenty twenty six. Welcome to our show and welcome this morning. Nate, how are you? I am doing well. Thank you so much for having me on here to have this conversation about reentry, the prison system, criminal justice reform. So I appreciate it. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, Rachel's a good friend of mine and she brought, she brought up talking to you and I got to tell you, this gal is just amazing. I hope at some point in time that, you know, that everybody gets to meet Rachel because she is the real deal out there and, and she's actually doing a lot of work in order to restore the, this nation. And, you know, really thankful for Patriots like her that actually get in the game and introduce me to you. So this is the first time we've really talked other than a few minutes this morning online, just give you a little bit of, you know, this is kind of relaxed and typically, you know, say whatever you want, no censorship. So call it for what it is, you know, we call balls and strikes here. So it is what it is, you know? Yeah. Awesome. Well, I'm Nate Johnson, everyone. Yeah, so Nate Johnson, I'm here in Muskegon, Michigan, and on the west side of the state. And a little background on me, Don, I'm formerly incarcerated. I had spent twelve and a half years inside Michigan's prison system for armed robbery and drug related charges. I've been home now, thirteen years, and been involved with a number of different organizations. I'm involved with reentry, criminal justice reform, and just being a voice across the nation on what reentry looks like, and especially ways that we can improve it, and how we can merge technology and reentry together. The majority of individuals serving time in prison right now, ninety five percent of all incarcerated people, which I think in the US we have about one point two million people incarcerated and ninety five percent of them are coming home one day. There's only five percent of that whole population that is serving a natural life sentence and will never come home unless they're granted a pardon by the president or clemency with a governor. So uh they're coming back to a world that no longer exists as they knew it those who have spent long um prison sentences we're talking twenty thirty years they're coming back to a world that doesn't exist as they knew it prior to things such as you know job applications you know you can't just walk in to some places and, hey, I'd like a job application, you know, sit down in Philadelphia and ask for the manager to turn it back in, which we've all experienced as teenagers and young adults trying to, you know, get a job for the summer or whatever the case may be. You know, those days are over and the way technology phones are, you know, there's not many landlines left and When you come home, you're going to be expected to use a cell phone checking out at a grocery store, you know, with tap or Apple Pay, which is going to be a brand new concept for the majority of those who have certain long prison sentences coming home, just not knowing how to navigate society out here now. So they're going to need someone to come alongside of them and help them during that transition and teach them. Here's how you can get stable and can be a productive member in the community. So that's the work that I'm involved in and have been doing for the last thirteen years since I came home. And I love every bit of it and enjoy doing it. And yeah, it's a passion of mine. Was it a big shock for you when you got out and you started looking around at how much had changed? Because the rate of change is exponential right now. And, you know, you throw AI into it and it's a whole new ballgame. In one week, we can make forty years of change that that would have been equal, you know, twenty years ago. I mean, it's so fast. So I guess I guess I'd like you to talk about your experience also in the prison system, because this has been on my radar for a long time and especially things like the qualified contractors and the things that we're paying way too much for as the contractors to get in prison systems. And also utilizing people for filling a quota and all of the victimless crimes that are being prosecuted and incarcerated. And they let all of the, you know, they let the real criminals go to create more chaos. But I just think that the process is the punishment and that's really too bad, you know. Yeah. You know, in Michigan's prison system, I mean, are there some things that we need to need to be corrected? You know, are not I should say, well, yeah, I guess corrected probably could be the word for it, but things that we can improve on. A hundred percent. Um, but I think one of the things that Michigan prison system does very well is helping with the preparation process in terms of preparing people to return back into the community. Michigan actually leads the nation in this, um, in preparing folks. Yeah, we, we are that we Michigan has the best, um, pre-entry, um, programming and re-entry program in the country out of all the other states we lead the country in these efforts um we you know i'll give you an example one of the things inside like michigan doesn't possess any private prisons here we had one back in two ninety nine from ninety nine to two thousand five from wackenhut corporation down in florida which many probably have heard when you hear about private privatizing uh prisons you hear about the geo group which are probably the largest um group which is you know that they're in it for the money that's exactly what they're in it and then you look at you know the caliber of staff that they get And well, I tell you, the reason they shut the one down here, it was in Baldwin. It was Michigan's first youth prison. So individuals from twelve years old up to eighteen that were incarcerated got sent there right out of quarantine, which is the reception and guidance center that everyone has to go to when they when they first come to prison. And so they got there, but it was just ran amok. You know what I mean? I mean, The staff were having sex with the inmates who were younger. There was potential escapes going on, you know, trying to work in with the staff to get out. But it was just, you know, they were paying, you know, like twelve dollars an hour to come and secure a prison. Like anything, anyone knows you get what you pay for. Right. If you don't take care, take care of your people, especially as a business person, you don't take care of your people. You're going to attract the wrong folks who you necessarily do not want to have because there's not going to be a very strong standard there. And so when Wackenhut was there, I mean, they closed it down within six years, the state. Said, no, you guys have to go. And they haven't welcomed any back in Michigan since then. The only other prisons that you'll find here are a couple of federal prisons down in Milan, Michigan, which is a federal holding facility. And then the former... Wackenhut facility that is up there. That's an ICE detention center right now. And so those are the only two outside of Michigan's prisons, which are, there's twenty-six in the state of Michigan. Those are ran by Michigan's Department of Corrections. Then you have a federal, you know, down in Milan, it's kind of down south by the border of Indiana. And then up in Baldwin, you have the holding facility for ICE. Which one do you work with the closest? There's a delay here right now. There's a delay here. Hang on just a second. We'll try to figure out where this is coming from. But anyhow, who do you work the closest with? So I work closest with the Michigan Department of Corrections. The federal system, I mean, that's a whole nother world. I have friends who work with them. And then the ICE detention center, that's, you know, you're dealing with individuals or I know like for me, I would be of no effect because I can't speak half the languages of the people up there. So me being up there wouldn't be, there wouldn't be, and the majority are, they're just waiting on their court date to be sent back. And so you have a group leaving all the time and then you have another group coming in waiting to be processed through the courts. So Michigan Department of Corrections is where I work in. I'm in the prisons a couple times a month speaking to the men and giving hope. And I think the thing that sets Michigan's prison system apart is we have the, you know, When we travel and I travel with some of the MDLC staff and we speak at different conferences across the country. And when we get there and they want us to come in and share sometimes about what we're doing here in Michigan and what sets us apart because people across the nation are hearing about it. We go in and we share, we talk about what's vocational village. So in Michigan's prison system, if you when you come in, everyone has access to vocational village, which is everything from getting your CDL license. They have the three D like TVs all around and you learn how to drive a drive a semi truck. You can electrician. You can they even have tree cutting like where they actually bring. there's trees inside the old warehouse down at Jackson State Penitentiary where they learn how to cut. There's CNC training. There's automotives training. There's horticulture. There's at the women's prison, they have cosmetology. They have Braille where they actually create Braille for the blind. There's cooking classes. I mean, and there's more too. Those are just the ones off the top of my head. that everyone coming in will have access to that. It's a requirement to get your GED if you don't have one when you get there. And then once you get your GED, that's when you'll go into the pool for vocational trade. And then everyone has the opportunity to, depending on if they have two or more years, they qualified to be in the college program. So everyone could potentially leave with an undergraduate degree from prison. And Michigan even leads the country in that. We have thirteen universities and colleges that partner with Michigan DOC, which other states and even some of the more southern states are battling trying to create some type of partnership with the local universities and colleges to partner with their prison systems. But Michigan's leading the country in those efforts, which is phenomenal compared to a lot of other states, right? You look at some of the states, it's just the southern states. And I don't know if it's their policies or Which it probably is, and then the people that you have running them just are not interested in making some significant changes within the department to better prepare individuals for coming home. I think Michigan gets it from the standpoint that, you know, ninety five percent of these individuals are coming home. They're coming back to our communities and we can play a strategic role. in helping them better prepare to come home and be, you know, a resident again back in their community that's accepted, but they can also be a contributing member of society, right? And that's what we want to do is make sure individuals are prepared when they do come home, because if not, The people who who have to deal with it is the victim who we haven't met yet. You know, if you get an individual who's a violent offender and the judge says, you know, I'm giving you twenty five to fifty. Well, if he's if he does the twenty five years on his minimum and his inside track record is good. the parole board is going to give them a parole there's not anything because the pro board isn't there to retry the case but you have some states who do that like california they send a prosecutor to the pro board hearing and they retry the case after the individual's been in twenty five years or whatnot but if they can see significant reform and change with the person then um then they give they give the opportunity out and i think it's one thing to note it in terms of recidivism individuals coming out reoffending and going back in that Those who serve longer prison sentences, and when I say longer prison sentences, I mean ten years or more, those individuals are less likely to come back to reoffend and come back to prison. It's in the single-digit numbers, probably less than five percent. So the longer they're in, it's actually more effective. Do you know why that is? Well, it's, you know, you number, I think that, I don't know if there's a one pat answer, but I think a couple of things. I think, you know, you, you kind of, you grow up, kind of come to your senses after a while. You know, I went in at nineteen, came home at thirty-two, but at nineteen, I mean, I thought it was okay to rob other drug dealers if they were in our part of town where we so dope. I, you know, in my whole mind, I had it worked out. And I just said, well, they shouldn't have been over here. They didn't want to get robbed. I mean, that's not my problem, you know. But then by time, you know, when I'm in prison a few years, I end up giving my life to the Lord and surrender my life to Jesus. And then the next ten years spent that time renewing my mind, you know, and really coming to my senses as I was growing up and maturing and thinking, renewing my mind with the Bible and seeing things from God's perspective. You know, I just begin to think differently. But man, when I left at thirty two, I thought totally different. from, you know, when I was nineteen. And again, you know, and my background in the home life, you know, both my parents have spent time in prison, both of them, you know, heroin addicts, crack addicts. So you can imagine some of the dysfunction going on within the household. Right. So there was that there was there was I don't want to say I was too whatever. I mean, I will. But there wasn't a really good frame of reference on how you do life. Right. But but that wasn't there so i had to figure it out when i was in the penitentiary like okay this is how you do this right and the guys who had the most impact on me um i can look back now who discipled me and mentored me were guys who who were serving natural life prison sentences and were never coming home and those guys had had an encounter with the lord that was so real And when I was a young guy, in nineteen, twenty, twenty one years old, where they took me under the wing and begin to to mentor, disciple me and show me and talk to me and challenge me on what this looks like, you know, I mean, and I think they had come to the realization that they understood that one choice changed the whole trajectory of their life. You know, it was a one decision in the heat of the moment that changed absolutely everything. And when you look at crimes that are committed, many crimes, Donna, those crimes were committed in less than sixty seconds. I look back on mine. I mean, you know, think of this. It literally took us from, we robbed an upstairs and a downstairs apartment at the same time because these drug dealers from another neighborhood, we got word that they were in there. In that whole world there, that's zero tolerance. It's like disrespectful coming in someone's neighborhood and selling dope. So there we go. It took literally. Forty five seconds from beginning to end. Forty five seconds cost me twelve and a half years in the in the penitentiary. Wow. Yeah. Well, and what you said here is so germane to the argument of all our interactions in life, whether they're with any of these quick knee-jerk reactions or something that's emotional. You can look at how they're capturing people right now, every day, trying to get people triggered. I hate that word, but there's some truth to that. If they're engaging your emotions and you're not in control because your emotions take over, You're going to do stupid stuff. There's no two ways about it. And to teach people how to be stable and to just sit back and identify what's a real threat and what's an imaginary threat is not going on. Somebody can be sitting there yelling and screaming at you. Is that a real threat? No. No. You might not like it, but that doesn't go into, you know, pulling the, you know, the hands up, going to fisticuffs here. It means sit there and try to figure out the situation before you go full on on the idiot wagon. That idiot wagon, that's one of my things that I say. People get on the stupid show real quick in the world, and it doesn't profit anybody. It's like a two-year-old throwing a temper tantrum. I'm going to use that one. You act stupid, and it's like you look stupid, you act stupid, and that idiot wagon always goes to destruction. Right, right. But don't get on it. If you want to avoid the whole thing, just kind of sit still. Just watch people being stupid around you and decide that I'm not going to participate. Yeah. There's one way to never lose. Don't play the game. That's right. That's right. And you never have to worry about losing. It is an interesting thought. I mean, when we look at individuals who go to prison, think of this, Donna. You would talk about what is the real issue? why does okay let me here's here's some here's some facts out of all of the world every country out of all of the world's incarcerated population the u.s possesses twenty five percent of the whole world's incarcerated population wow Is that because we're incarcerating them and that they don't have the facilities to do that across the world? Or do we have that many people making poor choices? it's our laws we'll get we we will we will we will lock people up for i mean you just okay i'll give an example it's the victimless crimes oh there's a hundred there's a button think about we gave think of this i mean before two thousand three you remember during the whole telephone sorry i got a two-year-old back there two-year-old Yeah, my son, Flip, he's back there chasing the cat around. Oh, that's fun. See, this is part of life of just real life authenticity. This is what it looks like when you're in a new startup, start a new organization and then, you know, stay home, watch him. Yeah, you're lucky he's not five. You can't hit in the back of the head with a baseball, you know. It's like, I was like, Dad, let's play catch wham. So when we look at the U.S., the U.S. possesses twenty five percent of the world's incarcerated population. The U.S. as a whole, just as our country, we possess, we are five percent of the world's population. OK, the United States of America is only five percent of the whole world's population. Now, break that down into just incarcerated people. We possess twenty five percent of that. Now you say, what is, why do we have so many people going? It is the laws. Some of the laws, you know, you can get locked up for some things that other countries wouldn't lock you up or they don't keep you that long. Okay. So that is true, but I am, I'm always one. I steer away from the victim mentality. And there's a lot of formerly incarcerated people that take that on and and try to come up with all these things. So, and I always wanna have this conversation before we talk about, and again, when I'm talking with my folks and we're talking about why do people go to prison? Okay, here's one, I'm a couple of points. Here's the number one, I'm gonna give you some stats and then we'll unpack it. Ninety percent of all incarcerated folks in the US, which is one point two million people come from fatherless homes. Sixty three percent. Sixty three percent of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. An individual is fourteen times more likely to commit rape if he comes from a fatherless home. And we could keep going and going and going and going on all these stats. Think about that. The underlying issue on why we have such a high rate of incarceration. Could we first point the finger? Well, the system's broken. Okay. But how did you, it's like, I tell guys this all the time. I can't believe the judge gave me thirty years. I can't believe he gave me fifteen years for that or ten years for that. Michigan has truth in sentencing. We don't give good time. There are no good time credits. There's none of that. When you get sentenced to ten years, you are doing every day of that ten years. And if you get locked up at eight a.m. on August first of two thousand twenty six, you will get out at eight a.m. August first. Uh, twenty thirty six. It's they're not getting good time out. There's no good time credits. There's five states left in the United States of America that has truth in sentencing. And we're all up here in the Midwest, Minnesota, Wisconsin. You look at Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio. Do you see that as a good thing or a failure? Okay, let me finish this thought so that it makes sense here. This is my perspective. And I tell the guys, before you complain that the judge gave you ten years for whatever the crime is, right? Before you complain about the ten years, you have to answer this question first. Why did I put myself in front of a man who had this much power who could wake up in the morning. He could have chosen to give me three years, between three years and twelve years. But he chose to give me he chose to give me ten years. OK, so before I say hi, Flip. Oh, man, look at that hair. That is so cute. So before I complained that he gave me this much time, I need to first ask myself, why did I put myself in front of a man who had that much power? Many guys will respond back with this. Well, my dad was in prison. OK, well, where is his dad at? He was in prison, too. Where was his dad at? Well, his dad didn't go to prison. OK, so this started somewhere because we have to bring people back to the power of a choice, back to everyone makes choices to get involved into certain things. But let's say, hey, I made the choice, ended up in the penitentiary. OK, now that you're an adult. Now that you're an adult, you have to make the choice and you have to be able to look back on your years and see where things went wrong. You have to be able to see that, you know what? My dad set a poor example for me. But you know what a lot of guys don't want to do? Even some of the ladies don't want to pin it on their parents to say, you know what? My parents, they did as good as they can, but they didn't do a great job at raising us. You know, the boundaries, the rules in the household. I could be disrespectful to my mother. Nothing would happen to me. I could. What happens when a simple thing like my boys and my and our household, you obey the first time. We don't do the second, the third, the fourth and the fifth time. Here's why. This is why. Because I think back on how I thought. OK, they're going to obey the first time or you're getting a tune up. We do spankings here. OK, we we don't we're not going to sit. Mom and me are not going to argue with you the first time. Here's why. Because when you know what, there's going to come a day when they get older that they may be in an area where maybe a crime or something has happened or the police to show up a car accident and they may be sitting there watching. The police officer says, hey, I need everyone up on the sidewalk. That is not the time to sit and ask him, why do you think we should get up on the sidewalk? Or why do you think? No, because a person, a man in authority or a woman in authority and a police officer said, get up on the sidewalk. You just you do it the first time. You don't sit and ask questions. You don't fight when you're sitting in a car. You get pulled over and you want to crack the window and you're trying to fight from inside the car. You're in a lose lose situation. You got to learn how to fight in the courtroom. But if you go to work and my boss says, hey, today I'm going to have you working over here today, then if he signs your paycheck, he don't have to give you a reason on why he's having you. You're going to be over here today. You work for him. In exchange for your time, he's agreed to give you money. So at the end of the day, from nine to five, he runs the show or whatever time you work. But they're going to learn it here before they have to learn it there. Because when you have to learn it out there in the world, Usually there's consequences to it, which many times are not prepared for. Right. There's there's a lot of problems with the no consequences to raising raising children. And when they find out a lot of kids, when they find out that it doesn't matter, they can do whatever they want to do. That carries over into it, to your point, into every. every part of their lives, you know, I had, I had the three rule. I'd look at my kids and I wouldn't even tell them what they did wrong because, you know, I was like, I'm not dealing with stupid children. They're going to know the right from wrong before we even have words, you know? And so, so I'd be just like one, you know, things are getting serious that you better change your behavior. That's all. I wouldn't even say anything. One, two the world is about to melt down don't get to three or it's going to get interesting real quick yeah yeah yeah i didn't say anything else you know they never had to worry about dad coming home it was like dad save us you know no stuff's about to get real real quick what's that I said, things are going to get real, real quick. Yeah, it would be like, I think some of my child-rearing things were fairly creative. Like I had two of them that are real close together in age, and I called them the evil twins sometimes because they'd sit there, you know, plotting. They're like little baby terrorists at three years old, right? And so they're like plotting in their little child terrorism mindset. And so I would, if they were fighting or something, I'd make them sit on the sofa for twenty minutes, holding hands, telling each other they loved each other. Well, after about five minutes, they were, I love you. I hate you. I love you. I hate you. And then five minutes is like, I love you, man. And they're laughing so hard. I had to separate them because it was getting out of hand. That's so good. I love it. But that's what's needed. It's that structure that is needed in consistency with the structure, right? It's power always lies in consistency. I coach the guys when they come home power and consistency compounds. Right. So the longer you're consistent in your habits and what you're doing when you come home, this is going to compound and you're going to reap the fruit of that in many different areas, not just in this one thing. But you talk to guys about that, too, about having when they get out, because I know that's a problem with people that get out of the military. They they all of a sudden, you know, they're used to getting up at, you know, eight, you know, six hundred hours. And then, you know, you do certain things at certain times and they get out. And I've talked to some of my special force buddies and that sort of thing. that they got out and they said, we were so babied in there that once we got out, we were completely lost because they didn't know what to do because there was so much freedom that they didn't have. And now you've got to manage yourself. So, you know, like to put yourself on an actual schedule. I think that one of our generals set up very well in a discussion, get up every day and make your bed. Because when you come home at night, you've accomplished something and you can look at it at the beginning and the end of your day, bookends it, and you know that you accomplished something, even if everything else went completely to hell and off the rails. You have something to reset your mind so you don't start sitting and spinning on the failures of the day. You can close it out. One hundred percent. I mean, it's it's it's this principle here. I think we can all agree on this one. It's the mundane things of life that actually prepares for greatness. Right. It's the making the bed, the consistency in making your bed, learning how and really coming to that, that reality and that knowing. man, you know, everyone would love to go do the great things, right? Likes to be the person who's, who's creating movement, doing things, getting a lot of attention. But a lot of time, what they don't see is those, those, those mundane things of life that they've just done consistently for decades, right? To your point though, I got to say this is that when you go to do things that are good to get attention and your, your heart really is not part of it so that You're just trying to validate yourself by attention. You are already set up to be victimized by somebody that understands that mindset and uses it. It is a trap. You do things to your point. Do the mundane things where you're not getting any credit for it. And that's where you become actually a real person. You know, instead of a puppet, you become a real boy at that moment in time. Yeah, because if you can't do the small things when no one's looking, you can't be trusted with the stuff when everyone's looking. Exactly. Right? So if you don't, it's like, you know, Karate Kid movie is a great example of that with Mr. Miyagi. You remember, yeah, wax on, wax off, right? Yeah. You remember Danielson had gotten beat, got jumped by the Cobra Kai guys. And he asked Miyagi comes in and saves him. And he shows up at when he, you know, he bandages him up, brings him home and he wakes up and he's, he's kind of like awestruck. Like, man, you know how to do karate. And Miyagi said, yeah, you know, I know how to do it. He said, man, would you teach me? He said, sure. Come here after school tomorrow and we'll do lessons. Well, he shows up and Mr. Mihai comes out with the wax and the rags and says, you know, Daniel's son know how to wax cotton. Yeah, sure, I know how to do it. He got on there and just started pushing the wax on there. He says, oh, Daniel's son, wax on, wax off. And he had about eight cars in his backyard. So he does, he gets done, he comes back up the door, he knocks on the door. He say, I'm done with the cars. You think we can... Um, you think we can, um, uh, do karate lessons tomorrow? He says, yeah, come, come here after school. So he comes, he says, Hey, I'm ready for my karate lessons. You know, and he comes out with a paint, you know, a bucket of paint and a paintbrush. He said, what do you want me to do with this? He said, Oh, Daniel's son, uh, paint fence. And then he goes, I just slap in the fence. He says, no. Oh, down, up, down. And for the first forty five minutes of the video movie, Miyagi is having him do these little house tours. And then finally it dawns on Danielson that Miyagi was hiding his karate lessons in these everyday household, mundane household chores. And then it dawned on him because Miyagi knew if you don't master these things, when no one's looking, Because you remember, when he got to the final fight, these were his blocks. Remember, up, down. And he remembered, oh, this is painting the fence. The wax on, wax off. These were all of his blocks that if he did not master the basics, you're not getting in that ring and going to beat Cobra Kai. Because you got eight of those kids who are really, really good, and there's only one of you. And if you're going to win it, you're going to have to beat all of them. But here's how we're going to outwit them. You're going to master the basics, which they have the tendency to overlook because they're really good. And many times our ability supersedes our character. And most of the time, Miyagi understood that. So Miyagi understood these kids are really good. They're not going to focus on the basics. They want to focus on the stuff that's going to put them in the light, make them look really good. The ego, flashing shiny things. Yes. And here's what he did. He said, let's master these because then when you get there, we're going to knock all of them out. And it happened. And at the end of the movie, the last scene, Mr. Miyagi standing there after he won, you know, oh, Daniel, Daniel Miyagi sitting there and he smiles and looks at Daniel's son and winks at him. And then he walks out the tunnel and it dawned on him. And so I was the principal and the purpose of that movie. He wanted to convey, man, it's the mundane things of life that actually prepares for greatness, right? And it's the same way with the guys coming home. We teach them this in the prison here. When I go in, man, it's the mundane things of life that prepare you for greatness. I've come home. I got to... done a number of different things i've planted a church uh with you know specifically we we had a mission to want to work with formerly incarcerated people so did that and half of our church is filled up with formerly incarcerated people and so uh here in muskegon and then shortly after that four months after that i planted fresh coast alliance which is Michigan's largest prisoner reentry program in the state of Michigan. And then several years after that, launched Michigan's first Reentry United Conference here that brings all of the decision makers, all of the practitioners from grass tops to grassroots people together. And then recently just launched Next Chapter Solutions, which is what I'm working on now. So I've been so I'm saying that to say that I've been involved in some really cool things. I've got to travel the country, talk about this and offer solutions to a lot of these issues that we're being faced in. And when you know, we'll find ourselves a lot of groups will find themselves trying to do the same old things that worked probably twenty years ago, but they may not work still now. One principle I've learned is when, you know, think about with kids, if children don't learn the way that we teach, we need to teach the way that they learn, right? And as this world has evolved and as time has changed, you're having individuals coming home who they learn totally different. They don't learn the same way we used to do things back then. Drugs plays a huge part in it. You get some folks that are coming home from prison and they're the mind has been so impacted by the whole drug epidemic going on in our nation that, you know, the attention span, all these different things, they're just not there. Some of them, it's like, you know, how do we get, it's ain't like twenty, thirty years ago when people were coming home, get a job, we need help with housing and, you know, tie up your bootstrap and get to work, right? It still works with some, but we're faced with all different challenges and we have to think totally different And how we how we approach this and then mental health has gone to a whole nother level as well, too, because of the drugs. I mean, you can only stay in that world of the hard drugs for a number of years before it just, you know, it'll damage you. And you could be potentially become damaged goods where some folks, there's some folks that I've worked with in the past who I knew them when they were sane and in the right mind and they're not there anymore. Do you believe any of that is reversible or is it permanent? I'm not the expert, but just like my own understanding and experience with it. I think some of the things are not, I think some, they stayed in the game too long that they're damaged goods. There's no coming back. There are some who've gone out there. They didn't stay out that long, but they got out just in the nick of time to where through a change in lifestyle, you know, exercising their brain through reading and Learning and learning how to give back, learning how to give and help and learning how to serve people can recalibrate the whole mental process. And because I've seen some who have done that, folks I've worked with where they've been completely restored back to sanity, but then some... Habit, you know, and it's it's the thing is no one ever knows if you're going to be the one. Right. You never know, especially with fentanyl. Now, that's that's that's ravaging the country. You don't know if this will be the last time you think that you're getting high. I got to say, everybody's focused on the flock cameras, but if they were that effective, wouldn't you think that they'd be able to shut down the fentanyl and the child trafficking rings? I've got some real questions about that because I think that they're being used by bad guys within the system to commit crimes. It's partly it's a predator. But if they were actually that effective, you know, target us now. They're looking at routes. They're looking at people they can compromise. And they're looking at, you know, being able to have foreknowledge so that they can avoid and or commit the crimes. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't know much about the fentanyl outside of our local context here, but I know folks like guys that I work with in California, that I work with in Texas and Florida. I mean, it's horrible out there. It is completely horrible. And here, I mean, it's it's there'll be batches that will come in to West Michigan different times. And, man, you don't know what you're getting. The next thing you know, there's just a string of they're finding people dead. We found someone dead. This was just a couple of years ago. Came to work one morning. Guy was dead in our parking lot. Just had an overdose from fentanyl, which was inside of the heroin. And they're using it, the drug dealers are using it to stretch the dope. You know, back in the nineties, before the heroin hit the scene, when it was just crack, we were just using soda to do it. You know, it was so you cook the cocaine and the soda up and it would expand it out. You know, if you cooked an ounce with it and put in another quarter of an ounce or an eighth of an ounce or whatever, however you wanted to stretch it. And they did it. But now they're using fentanyl to make it more powerful. So you're stretching it, plus putting this powerful drug in. And now you get the drug addicts with like, you know, if they hear someone dying, I think this is how crazy the mind is. The ones that are addicted to the drugs and on the streets. When they hear, when word hits the streets, oh, so-and-so who passed away, they got the dope from Charlie Cheapskate over there. Everyone's running to Charlie Cheapskate's house to get the dope because they know it's powerful. That's how crazy it is. Seriously. Seriously. You ask anyone who's been in the streets, what is the thought process when drug addicts hear about someone passing away and they find out who the person was who has that dope that did that, they're running to them and trying to get it. Think of the thought process, because everyone thinks it won't happen to me, but they know it's powerful dope. Think about that. That is crazy. That's how demonic that whole thing is. Oh, drug gang. I mean, it's just biblical principles about how demonic this is. You know, in Genesis one, God said, he said, think about this. Here's a simple principle out of the Bible. He said, I'm giving you, Genesis one, I'm giving you dominion over the whole earth, right? And then you remember, he began to list certain things. He says, I'm giving you dominion over the birds of the air, the fish of the sea, the animals running, and I'm giving you dominion over the plants. Think about this. Where does every drug come from, Donna? I would say the plants. From a plant. You got cocaine comes from the coca plant. Heroin comes from the poppy seed, right? You go, where does alcohol come from? Fermented what? We used to make penitentiary wine in prison. You know, we called it Spudweiser. You know where it came from? It came from the oranges, the sugar, the yeast that was stolen out of the kitchen, right? And then guys would come in and they would make penitentiary wine. Alcohol, all alcohol comes from fruits and vegetables. Every drug comes from a plant. So think about this. Here's what God did. God says, I've given you talking about man dominion over the plants. OK, over the drugs. Now, here's what Satan did, trying to spit in God's face. He says, OK, you told them they have dominion over there. I'm a deceive them. And now those drugs, those plants will have dominion over them. There's drug addicts all across this country. They woke up this morning and that cocaine, that voice on the inside, get up, come on, we're going to steal something today. Come on, we got to get out here and get this so we can get a bump. We're going to steal a TV. We're going to steal this from a store. We're breaking into a house. How many women who are caught up in sex trafficking or just they're into the prostitution because of the drug addiction and they're working solo that they get up and come on, we got to go. Come on, you're going to sell your body. You're going to turn a trick because we got to get a bump so we don't get sick today. So now it's reversed. Instead of us having dominion over the plants, the plants have dominion over man. And you can go all throughout the scriptures and see how the enemy has attempted to thwart and create a different effect to prevent what God said should happen and would happen. He's tried to turn that thing around and tried to deceive everyone. It's backwards. It's backwards. You know, it's like it takes it out of being the guardian and or the caretaker of the planet to exploiting it for personal gain or for whatever. And it becomes a prison in and of itself. Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, you can see it all throughout just in society. Think of things that are not natural that people are trying to say is natural. Like you can imagine. You know, it's almost like you got to be like, what is a woman or let's cut body parts off. Perfect example. There's common sense here. It's like, you know, or abortion or any of that. You know, I mean, they teach us in third grade, anything that grows is alive. Okay. So if they start growing at the moment of conception, the baby does, then if anything that grows is alive, if that's really real, what you guys told us, then... That's murder. If there's men... Think about this. Think about it. This is how much sense... They want you to affirm different things. This is the part that I have issues with, is with... where they want to try to control what you say. Like you have to, we have to conform to this person's beliefs. You know, if someone wants to be, think there's something different, that's cool. That's your business, but don't try it. Don't think that we're going to surrender over to it and live in that world with you. And we're going to comply with it. I'm not, that ain't, it ain't me and my, we're not doing that part. Right. So, and I'm not going to sit there and affirm you over something that I don't think is actually real. Okay. Think of this. Like if someone, what's a good example. Think of, okay. Just take someone who, who battles with anorexia. Okay. Donna, would me and you, let's just assume it's a female and she thinks that she's fat. Would we sit there and go through and say, yeah, you know, a firmer. Yeah, you really are. fat. No, you understand that there's, I'd be like, let me buy you a cheeseburger or something like that. Maybe five of them. Yeah. And you know, there's, there's something up here. She's believed a lie somewhere. He or she believed a lie. She bought the, she was offered the lie and, Both the lie and now spend enough time meditating and thinking on it to where now it's where there's an outward expression of an internal reality, which is the anorexia. But we're not going to sit and affirm her in that. Oh, because it's not real. But she's totally convinced of it. It's the same with the other thing. I'm not going to sit and, you know, oh, yeah, it just it's not going to happen. Love you, and we'll pray for you, but I'm not going to sit there and champion something that's not, that's real. There's something, because now we're empowering people in their brokenness, as opposed to wanting to see people healed, delivered, and set free, and their mind restored back to what God originally created them for. You know, all that other stuff, they have to find another way. Christ is very transformative. And it's where we shake the lies of the world and realize that God does not make mistakes. So he gave you what you have for a reason. You know, we're a spirit in a meat suit. That's what it is. Right. And so there, the reason why you're in the situation you're in, I don't know, but he put us here. And I think every single one of us has got a different journey and, you know, he's, he leads us through it, but just say to argue with God, say, you don't understand God. I'm not a woman. I'm a man. Okay. That's a fool's errand right there. Right. It makes as much sense. Think of this, right? Okay. Someone, someone makes me mad or someone close to me does something hurts me. One of the things that offense that comes up comes with it, unforgiveness, right? And so when people do stuff like that, my natural response is forgiveness. I have to deal with these thoughts coming in my mind that are connected to unforgiveness that I know were generated from the enemy. Because if I buy that lie of harboring unforgiveness, I walk into bondage, spiritual bondage. All of us will. Now, do I say because I battle with this, oh, God just created me that way to be an unforgiver. He did it. No, it's nowhere in the Bible. Right. And it's the actual opposite. So if someone says, well, I have this desire coming up, then that must be who I am. No, it doesn't. We're called to resist and flee those things. And it takes wisdom to know what we're called to fight. Right. The Bible says to resist the devil. and he will flee, right? That means we go into combat, spiritual warfare, okay? But the same person who wrote that told one of his young disciples, Timothy, that flee from youthful lusts He didn't say to fight it. He said, flee. See, it takes wisdom to know what we're to engage in, in warfare and what we're not to engage in a war for. And because we're talking about the sexual thing, when that comes up and these individuals, they're trying to fight it and you end up becoming the very thing you're trying to fight. And then you just surrender over to it because you can't win the battle. You weren't designed to win the battle. You were designed to put your Nikes, your running shoes on and run as fast as you can. and get away from the very presence of what's attempting to overcome you and get into the presence of him who in those moments when heaven comes to earth, the voice of the enemy and everything that the kingdom of darkness is attempting to shout at you has to be silent. Period. Well said. Right. So that's why the purpose people need to find their purpose. And when you have a purpose and it's always outside of ourselves, you know, you find your purpose to serve. You will serve. You will think about that and you you move your thoughts on to action. You know, I have a real problem with when I hear people say, oh, yeah, we have to wait on the Lord. So we're going to sit here. And I'm like, no, no. it's there's another meeting waiting on the lord is serving him being a waiter it's not it's not waiting for god to do something and sitting on your little pillow you know and and doing nothing it's like get up and move you've got if you're depressed what's the best thing to do do anything Do anything that comes in a lot of times. God will just give you something right in front of you. And you just do that one step at a time. But you've got to do something. And all of a sudden, it's going to get the neurons firing a little bit. And then the next thing you know, you've got twenty projects and not enough time for twenty lives. Right. Not a problem, you know, to find more things to do. There's so much broken here that when I never let my kids talk about being bored. That was a cardinal sin in our house. You don't say you're bored. If you're bored, you are on the idiot wagon. You go find something to do because there is so much to do that boredom is a surrender to really it's a surrender to cowardice, lack of lack of being able to think or, you know, it's turning all your attention inside yourself. That's going to always end poorly. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Well, we would say, my dad say, go get a tree and hit it or get a stick and go hit a tree. See what it sounds like. It was bored. There's nothing to do. We'll go grab one of them sticks and hit that tree out there and see what it sounds like. My dad was go mow. I think, you know, when I wasn't, if I was sick or didn't feel good, he goes, I go get in the mower. You'll feel better if you mow for a while. Okay. Yeah. To get on the mower. And I'm like, that was pretty slick. You know, go mow the lawn. You know, he got out of work and, and uh you know that is so good yeah it's you know i think as as you know as this is wrapping up here it's like you know keep the main thing the main thing and all that we do and then we talk about re-entry the the scriptures have given us clear um i like to say you know we got heaven's solutions for earthly problems okay so we can use heaven's wisdom And with the drug epidemic going on, heaven has a solution to it for reentry. Heaven has a solution to other things in the system that can be maybe fixed or whatever. Sure. But the main responsibility comes back to the individual. Right. And I'm formerly incarcerated. I'm probably one of the hardest ones on. on my tribe of people and i've talked i'm friends with uh one of the um michigan parole board members and we were talking one day it's like you know what you know i think we're close to potentially having formally a formerly incarcerated person on the parole board and i don't have no interest in doing that we were just talking about there's another mutual friend that we have that he's formerly incarcerated he he's very interested in doing i'm like i'm like you wouldn't want me on the on the michigan parole board i said because The moment they start blowing smoke up my rear end and their handshake isn't matching their smile, I said, I'll mess around and flop all of them. They'll be wondering why they're staying in prison because we're not getting to the heart of the issue. We're not getting to this place where we're going to deal in reality. I said, I would not be that person because I would flop more people than the rest of the folks on the board. But You know, this level of accountability and understanding that, you know what, you made a choice to do what you did. I understand. I got the sad story, too, with the parents. I could put on the I could use that to my advantage. And it worked really well with the temperature of the criminal justice reform. But it's so that I can point the finger at everybody else instead of taking full responsibility for me. You know, at the end of the day, the Department of Corrections don't owe me anything. They didn't come and get me. I knocked on the door and wanted to go there. Now, when I get there, I can make decisions and choices. I can look at the prison system. It can either become my university or it can become my cemetery. Guess who gets to choose? I get to choose. That cell that I lived in, that could either become a cage to me, or it could become my Chrysalis, where I could go from a caterpillar to a butterfly. I chose to make it my university. I chose to make it my Chrysalis. I took full responsibility for what I did. Didn't point the finger at anyone. And you know what that did? After I surrendered my life to the Lord, it freed me up to invest into myself. And the prison system is the second greatest place outside of college in terms of having time, not a lot of responsibility, times to really invest into yourself. It's the second greatest place on the face of this earth. And you know what? I think we need individuals, formerly incarcerated people who are living their own solution and want to invest back into the lives of those incarcerated. They need to be allowed back in there because the people closest to the problem are closest to the solution. OK, when you have formerly incarcerated people live in their own solution, they need to be back in there teaching the thinking for a change classes, the moral recognition therapy classes, the violence prevention. And it needs to be a united front. It can't be all formerly incarcerated people and it can't be all professionals. It needs all of us coming together and working as a unit. Everyone play in their lane and we'll transform the way that this country looks and views incarceration. And we'll watch. we'll watch this incarceration rate in our country come down. Because what people are really looking for, Donna, is the sense of belonging. And if we can satisfy that, right? Children don't, children are not running to the streets to want to join gangs and all these different groups. They're not running to something as opposed to the running from something in the household. And when the sense of belonging is not being met in the household, when I don't feel like I'm a part of the Johnson tribe, if that's not being met, guess what? The streets seem very attractive to me. Because now I can go out to the gangs and I could be a Mesa Street boy, Wood Street, Blood Crip, whatever gang it is. And now I belong to something. And there's a counterfeit version of the real thing that's offering me love. And here's the scary part. It feels good. It feels so good that I will sign up and devote my life to living in a lifestyle that's in total opposition to my own well-being. That's the deception of the enemy. So if we want to solve this problem, we got to. This is amazing because I was starting out talking about the satanic gangs out there, seven, six, four being one of them and that they're looking at their predators and they're looking for children who are kind of in that lost area. So, you know, parents spend some time with your children and you know, when, when they're doing something, you know, you know what love looks like. It looks like focused attention. If your child is coming up to you with something, stop, stop. Look at them. Listen to them. Make everything else disappear for a little bit of time until they actually feel like they matter. You know, there's so many parents that I've seen. The kids will be up doing something and the parents are here. They're talking to somebody else. They're doing whatever. But they're not literally sitting there focusing on that child, giving them a place to To talk, to actually get things, you know, to process and to help them process things. If your child is proud of doing a drawing, stop. Look at that drawing. Look at that child. Ask them questions and be engaged. Don't just be a body sitting there. That does not count. That's not a relationship. And so it's, it's important as wild that you brought it up. Cause I was going through this, the satanic capture with some of these organizations and they get to kids and they'll get them to do bad stuff. That's what they do. That's how they operate. And you could, you take it back to the household when, when mom and dad, specifically the fathers, when they're not only because of those, that's the men is who I speak with. You speak to a lot is the men when men do not step up and do not become fathers and And anyone can be a father, but it takes a real man to be a dad, right? If you're not going to be involved in your children's life, it's almost like nothing's ever a hundred percent guaranteed, but there's a great chance that if we don't give them our attention, the world will. And we will be very, I'd be scared to think about what the world would do if they had, if they gave my child its attention, right? We don't know where this would go. Yeah, well, we do know where it's going to go. It's going to go in a bad direction. You know, just so we know, my dad was a very, I talk about my dad a lot. You know, he passed away years ago. And the thing was, he was a military guy, you know, and he was a tough guy. I didn't agree or appreciate a lot of stuff that he did when I was younger. Didn't agree with it. And when he found Jesus, it was focused male ability to manage things with the skills of holding accountable. And I tell you, he was the greatest dad, in my opinion, that ever walked the earth. But he did not put up with any nonsense. The opposite side of that is I knew I was always safe around him because if anybody came against his family, it was going to get exciting real quick. So to all the guys out there, there are some of us actual real women out there that are kind of on the want to see all the snowflakes melted and tell them to shut the hell up. Because when they get in trouble, who are they going to go to? They're going to go to the guys. Help me, help me. And then criticize them. I mean, I mean, that's that's not how this thing works. And, you know, it's like it's like God doesn't make mistakes. He makes us the way we are for a reason. And it's not for us to stand alone like Captain America on a rock somewhere for people to you know, to worship our wonderful superpower. It's to have us work together as a family with people that have their strengths. We all have strengths and weaknesses. And when we do that, we compliment each other and it ties us together and gives us that, that feel of belonging. So honor the people around you today with the things that God gave because it doesn't make mistakes. And so, you know, it's just the way it is. And, and it's a wonderful thing well thank you for being on today i'd love for you to be back even maybe next week monday because i'm really interested in this subject and um because i've i've seen this for years and going this is crazy i i uh it doesn't look right there's something wrong there but i don't have an inside view of this And I really want to know how to help people recover. You know, when I see people in drugs or alcohol or anything, it's a lack of coping with the world. And I like to study people. You know, it's interesting to me. Why are they not coping? What is it that broke them to the point where they can't survive in a fallen world to a point where they're self-inflicting pain or they're just trying to run away from it and do bad things. But I'd love to talk to you more, but thank you for coming on today. Do you have any last words? Yeah, here's, and to piggyback off of what you just said, here's the great discovery is this. If we put it in a one-liner, children have imaginary friends adults have imaginary enemies and it can show up in some of the most in the smallest thing just not getting a timely response back on the text here's the great discovery we need to discover what happened between here this liminal space here what happened between the imaginary friends and the imaginary enemies That is some amazing wisdom. I've never heard it framed that way. I love that. I have another question for you. Do you have any information out there on the vocational village? Because I'm absolutely fascinated by this. I saw a group that did this about fifteen years ago where they had small trailers and they had a workshop for people that were street people. They're homeless. People found their belonging there. I was like, wow, this is like co-housing, which works well if you can manage the personalities and the propensity to be offended, which is ridiculous. Do not be offended by anything. Why would you get offended by things? It doesn't make any sense. I want to see everything you have on the vocational village because I'm phenomenally interested in this. Thank you for being on today. Absolutely. Rachel, I know you're watching us on Instagram here. Thank you for bringing Nate here to be interviewed because I think there's a lot of people that need to hear this message. And I'd like you to come back. So thank you. Let's check in this week and see if it works for next week. Let's let's do it. I'd love to continue this particular conversation, especially on what happens here, because there's a lot of I had to work through it myself. And I think there's some keys that could help set people free with that. Well, and it's not just in the prison system. I mean, we're on prison planet here. Every single system has got us captured as a drone type workforce from our pathetic failure of an education system. Did you know that Michigan is forty five in the nation and that third graders, only thirty percent of of of third graders actually can can do any reading? I know I've heard. Yeah, because we we deal with the school to prison pipeline and the effects that that has on. They know by third grade. They know how they can they can project the prison population. Fifteen years from there. That's how we know. That's how they have all the stats on where the prison system will be. Because if you can't read by third grade, the chances and likelihood of you going to prison has gone up astronomically. And that goes into learning styles and such, you know, most teachers are visual learners and most students are not, there's very few. So they want to focus on getting, you know, advanced placement for their little stars in the show. And the problem is, is they leave everybody else behind and that's, that's fundamentally wrong on a human level. So, well, we'll, we'll talk after I get off my next segment here, but thank you so much for being on. I'm going to bring Chris Garzinski in just a minute. And, you know, seriously, may God's favor rest upon you and all of your, all of your endeavors. I thank you for being here today. Thanks, Donna. Appreciate you. Awesome. All right. I'm going to go for a fifty seven second break here and I'll be right back with Chris Dardzinski and economic policies. Hey, welcome to the third hour of Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it is the thirty first day of August twenty twenty six. Welcome to our show. And I am going to welcome my buddy here, Chris Dardzynski. Hang on one second. We'll get the right screen up here. Hey, Chris, how you doing? I'm doing fabulous. Yeah. Yeah. We've really had quite a quite a ride here. Chris is one of our candidates for Congress, Michigan's thirteenth district. And he is a wizard in the world of international trade and policy, economic policy. So I was going to let you run with this, but we've had so much growth, like explosive growth in the U.S. taxpayers party because everyone is really except those that are captured on the idiot wagon that we're going to do the same thing and expect the change. And it's incredible how many people have come to us that want to help and want to be part of this, that want to know what we're doing. And it's like every day I'm getting a call from somebody that says, What do I need to do? We have to get you on in office, whatever. What do I need to do to help? And they mean it. They realize that we're waking up and that we're seeing that things have got to change. So this is very encouraging. It really is. Again, one of the reasons, the most important reason why I joined USTP back five and a half years ago, it's like, OK, this is a group of patriots and constitutionalists that I that I want to be associated with. And I don't have to be out there in the wilderness by myself. trying to dismantle the establishment. There's people here who are of the same mindset and understand that there's a process and there's a way to go about things. And the more people that get involved and want to help, then this is the way you save a republic right here. And anybody that thinks that it works any differently, no, it works right here. Whenever Everyone as a free thinking adult decides, no, this is my country or this is my state. This is my county. This is my city. I'm going to get involved. I'm going to do this because I don't know when it's the time to be involved. Now, the answer is always now. It's never any later than right now. I want you to talk about the one meeting we had, and we were talking about there was someone that was offering to seat candidates out of state for the U.S. Congressional District in Michigan. Yeah, what a great way to dovetail into my main topic for today, because... I want you to say exactly what you said to me on the phone after that meeting, because because people don't understand that it does not have to be the way the Republicans and Democrat, the idiocy going on in those fake organizations that have taken form in our elections. And describe exactly what you said, because you were almost in tears. Yeah, it was, it was so, um, so we was, um, it was our spectrum. We had a, we, we were wrapping up and doing the second part of, um, of an sec meeting on a Thursday night. And, um, because, um, um, under, under article, under article one and, um, the, the criteria, the three requirements to run for, for public office and especially in the us house, um, you have. When it comes to residency, by the time of election, and I guarantee you, it's a small group of very powerful lawyers and strategists that figured out, well, it looks like what you really only need to do under the Constitution is is to be a registered voter and a resident and have a legal residence in the state that you're seeking the candidacy for a specific congressional district by the day of the election. And it's only it's only it's only attorneys and lawyers and high powered people within the establishment that manipulate the nuances of the Constitution into that. I was like and and I and I left you that message and I said, no, we we because we have several people that are willing to step forward from out of state. And and again, Donna, their passion and their conviction, one hundred percent respect that comes from the heart. I mean it. But at the end of the day, as an individual state party, it's like, no, we have to decide what is going to be our guidelines as a party for people that want to run for the U.S. House. And yeah, I mean, yeah, and I said, well, you have to be a resident of state. And ideally, you have to live within your district because nobody, you know, You just simply – it's how you know how to represent your constituency. You have to know what's going on with your local school boards and the economics of your area and understand the local culture. If you're really going – and ten other layers. And at that meeting, because you had been asked by another party member, say, well, Donna, can you kind of – Can you kind of influence them? And you said, no, my job as state party chair is to facilitate the proper discussion. And everybody out there, if you're joining us for the first time, believe me when I tell you, anybody that's pushing forth any type of policy or strategy, Or whipping votes. Whipping votes is it. It's like when you see that, that's not representation. That's somebody that's coercing people to either change their mind or there's another option. But I don't do that. Right. In this state party, we discussed everything as an entire group. So we went around, everybody that was on the call, everybody that was a member of the SEC that was on the conference call, and everybody that was joining in that was just a party member, and everybody gave their exact views as to where they stood on okay um do you have to be a resident in a state and all that because yes there are the constitutes three constitutional requirements for being a member of the u.s house and then there is what parties decide and our criteria is a lot more hardcore and more firm and that's the way it should be so yeah you handled that perfectly because because um you you you facilitated the discussion And believe me, nobody held back as to what their views were and all that. And we were all very straightforward and very respectful of several people that had, well, we all had slightly different views. and we had people and we had at least one person who was um who thought that it was okay to go about that and there's never any disparagement towards towards any individual this that is what political dialogue real intellectual dialogue and conversation is about and that's how that's how that's how a public a public a political system moves forward it was it was and after it's like i i love to mention i said donna white cheater that meeting we just had this is why i'm a member of this party because because and folks i can tell you um when donna puts something forward that she's looking at a a way we should move forward or a specific policy. If it's something that we all don't agree on and then vote on, Donna doesn't arbitrarily get what she wants. I don't get what I want on everything. Nobody does. No, we decide as a party, okay, this is where we're starting. This is what you're proposing. This is what we're adding. This is what we're taking out. This is what we're refining. And then we vote on it and that. That, folks, is how things should work. Well, a chairman, Chris, honestly, is when you're functioning as a leader or a chairman of the party or a governor of the state, you have to take your opinions hat off and stay neutral because you're trying to get to the best answer, not necessarily an answer. And we don't know everything. So someone may come up with an idea that hasn't been on the table before. So to get rid of our biases and to represent the people, it's not the chairman's job to tell everybody what to do or what votes the governors or anything like that. It is to listen to the people and hear their wisdom. Make sure that it jives with the law because you have to make sure that it's not for the people's self-interest either. You have to follow the law. And then let the people decide which way this outcome is going to go. And what happens, and I think the founding fathers knew this very well, is that if you give the ability to decide to the people and you have a law that protects all the representative law that protects everyone, you're going to get to the right answer. Almost every time. And it is it is not going to be you're not going to see the self-interest in it. You're not going to see people that are going to put their biases in it for self gain. You're going to have all the voices saying putting each other in check. I mean, it's even a personal it's even a personal balance of power when you do it that way. And so it was designed that way as a protection for individual rights. Right now, we only have people that are whipping their own personal gain agendas and or the lobbyists and that sort of thing. The chairman of the parties, they're horrible because they're in with their little group to keep the grift going on. And they're both Republican and Democrat parties. They've taken foreign money in the election. Who do you think they're serving? You know, they're serving in progress. We grew as a party that night, not just as individuals, but as a party. And everyone, you sit in on our Zooms or our SEC meetings. Some of it might seem hardcore and raw, but you know what? It's authentic. And maybe that's the most important. It's authentic. What you're seeing is what it really is inside this party. And again, again, Nobody in this party gets every single thing that they want. And once we've gone around the room, and sometimes twice and three times, sometimes it's tabled for a couple of weeks and all that, we always come up with something better. And sometimes it's something that we come to a conclusion is that, you know what, we're dismissing this for now. We don't want to do this. But specifically on residency requirements for the U.S. House, I mean, You know, again, I, you know, um, all of us kind of planted our flag that night on that, that, I mean, yeah, I mean, you have to be a resident of the state and there's, and there's other elements to take into consideration, but I represent a district. If you don't, if you don't know those people and what it's about. So one of the things that I intend to do as governor is I'm going to cut the budget for offices in Lansing. for the legislature in Michigan, because they have to go to their districts. There's no reason for all of these expenses that they're incurring, as well as the insulation from their communities. If they have to go back to their communities and interact with the people in the communities, a lot of the nonsense is going to be done because the people are going to tell them in no uncertain terms what needs to change, and they're not going to put up with it. And that's They're insulated within their political echo chambers. They don't really talk to the people. They're not near the people. And that is patently wrong. So, you know, the liquor bills in the state houses across the United States is just incredible. How come they're sitting there in these big parties and such in the Capitol and in Lansing and saying, everyone else isn't invited to it. They're using it for their own insulatory gain. It really is. So all this stuff really needs to change. But to that point in the taxpayers party, which is the Michigan affiliate of the national constitution party, I'd say we agree about ninety nine percent of the time because it simplifies everything. When you go back to the Constitution, and protecting the rights of others in a Republican form of government. Not a Republican party, but a Republican representative form of government, which were guaranteed by the Constitution and which both major parties have abysmally failed on. It is a failure, and it's a good jumping off point into my main topic for today. Because like you, I've just grown so nauseated by the media constantly. And it started during the pandemic, just this drum beating of that, we're a democracy, we're a democracy. No, you're trying, I mean, and that was intentional. No, we are a republic, and we are a limited republic. And governments, especially the federal government and individual state governments, they only have as much authority that is spelled out in the individual state constitutions and, of course, in the US Constitution. And that is the oath that you take. And for former public officials like myself that take it very seriously, I've never rescinded my oath. So I'm still under oath. I have to keep doing what I'm doing because that's the oath I've taken. So this will continue our discussion on what I see are the nerve centers of the establishment and of power within America and within the government structure. The first one I talked about, the makeup of the congressional committees and subcommittees. And today we're going to get a course into the big kahuna of them all, and that is the Federal Reserve System. um i um over the weekend i i i kind of hog tied myself and said okay um i have about an hour so let me think of seven or eight essential points that i can weave into that and then if if there if there needs to be a further discussion we can we can always do that at some other time so um just so everybody knows um When Paul Volcker, who was president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank in nineteen seventy nine, when he was appointed by President Jimmy Carter to be to become the new Fed chairman in nineteen seventy nine, when he was restructuring his cabinet and moving his treasury secretary over and a whole bunch of other things. That's because he realized that his cabinet was not loyal to him, and he realized that, well, I better not get off on a tangent on that. So it seemed something that was kind of important to me. Who is this person, Paul Volcker? What is this thing, the Federal Reserve, and how does this work? And so a little bit through my teen years, I would follow the Federal Reserve, and when it would be in the news and like that, it's just part of my— General studying of government and politics and economics and how things work. So to that, I do. This is a book that's been out there now for a little over thirty years. First published in nineteen ninety four ninety five. G. Edward Griffin, an economist, a professor and a very talented author. He put out a book called The Creature from Jekyll Island. It's very famous. It has sold rather well. It is a timeless book. It is as important today to the discussion of finance and banking and what our money is and what the gold standard was and what we need to be again. It's as relevant today as it was back in the nineties. and as a writer i have to first of all admit how jealous i am of of of of professor griffin because um he has an incredibly elegant um writing style and when i when i heard him being interviewed on um i think it was twelve seventy back then um wx wxy t or something like that he was being um he was being interviewed about his book it had been out for about a year and um and i remember um the um The talk show host, who I had a lot of respect for, Mark Scott, said that it's a really easy read. You've got a good writing style. I thought, well, that's an interesting thing. So then I spent about six months again. Oh, my gosh, I've already now this is, I think, nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight. I thought, oh, my God. I've been researching and studying the Federal Reserve and following them for fifteen years, so I really want to depress myself by reading yet another book on the Federal Reserve. I'm glad I finally did because just to read something, every paragraph has such an ease to it and just and just brings you into this very complex story. So The Creature from Jekyll Island, go out there folks, buy it. It'll take you into paths that you did not know and did not expect. And it allowed me to evolve my own critical thinking and understanding of the Federal Reserve. Because one thing I had not considered after fifteen years of researching and studying the Federal Reserve was the fourth dimension of time and convergence of when economic factors come together. And that would, of course, be played out in two thousand eight and two thousand nine. So so read the book. I'm not being paid to plug it. Anybody. I own a copy. So, you know, and you can probably find it for three dollars, I'm sure, as a as a as an e-book. So I'm. So we get to bullet point two, what is money? Okay, money at the end of the day is a medium of exchange, an agreement, a very basic contract that this note, whether it be debt-based or whether it be based on something of actual intrinsic value is note or a certificate, let's call it five dollars, I'm going to give to you for payment of this clock that I'm buying at your garage sale or anything like that as a medium of exchange. And then under Article I, Section V, Clause V, which I've read far too many times in my life, but I encourage everybody to read, sets up the authority for the U.S. government and specifically for Congress to set the values of weights and measures for coin and everything that goes into what is going to be lawful currency, lawful U.S. money. It's a very specific term I use there. I would also encourage everybody to get a copy of James Madison's Journal of the Federal Convention back in when they were taking the Articles of Confederation and reworking them into the Constitution. and when the conversation came the the conversation came up okay are we going to give the u.s government the authority to issue a debt-based note or are we going to do something simple so they they um they voted to we to um to remove these four words um this this phrase emit bills of credit they did not want the federal government to have the authority to emit bills of credit or a debt-based note that if there was going to be lawful U.S. money, it would be based on something of intrinsic value. We decided that that would be gold and silver. Now, this right there is one of the most important things. And I've read through that section of James Madison's journal on the Federal Convention for the Constitution. Oh, by the way, this is how important it is to understand the founding fathers on this. There was a huge argument over anybody keeping a journal, and they didn't want James Madison to do it. He said, no, we have to do it. He says, no, no. He goes, we he goes, we don't want anything leaking out. And for the media, for the for the newspapers to destroy what we're doing here. He goes, yes, too bad. I'm going to keep a journal. So this is how independent their thinking was. And it's great. John Langton, who was one of the delegates from New Hampshire and. It's still to this day, it gives me goosebumps right now. He said, I would rather reject the entire idea of federation before I will give this new government the authority to emit bills of credit. Now that, Donna, is a pretty powerful statement. So, and... And a lot of them understood that this is the way it works. I've got to go back to the Eastern Roman Empire, what is known as the Byzantine Empire, depending on how you want to pronounce it. They decided to go to... now I gotta remember the dates, uh, eleven eighty nine, um, eighty, right around there. I'm still in Google and check my, my, my, my history here. Um, the, um, the, um, the Byzantine Empire decided to go to a, to a debt based note after having a precious metal based note for forever. And within ninety eight years, a hundred years, um, their currency lost ninety nine percent of its value. The Senate essentially had no power. The Eastern Roman, the Byzantine Empire was in complete debt, and it made it much easier for the Ottoman Empire to dismantle them. So, yeah, that's – no, I can put that into modern-day translation. So the Federal Reserve Act – is signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson, six or two p.m. December, twenty third, nineteen thirteen. Now, that's a real economic nerd that has memorized that stuff. They start issuing Federal Reserve notes February nineteen fourteen. I was at a I was at a presidential. I was at a presidential rally for for one of my personal political heroes, Ron Paul, back in two thousand twelve with some with some dear friends and And he broke down where we were on the value of the U.S. dollar, which was at that point, three cents compared to what it would have been worth, what a dollar would have been worth in nineteen and nineteen fourteen. So that's ninety eight years later. So, folks. the same hydraulics, the same formulas and pressures of inflation because of fiat money. It applied to the Byzantine Empire, eight hundred years earlier, and this is the way fiat money works. So that right there is a good opening dialogue on what I believe is one of the most important contracts ever within the system of money, within the system of contracts. One of the strong central cores of what makes America a free republic is that here, contracts are honored. and and we've lost a lot of that in the last thirty years because believe me as i as someone who's worked in international trade and then as a businessman and then being in the world of economics i've lost i've watched as contracts have have have been broken way too many times but If anybody has a silver certificate or a gold certificate, and you can always look at pictures of them on Google Images or whatever, but I had some silver certificates for a while when I used to collect coins and currency from around the world, and definitely American currency and coin. But I had a silver certificate, I think it was in , was one of the issues. and um at the bottom it says payable to the bearer upon demand now that right there is a contract um i'm saying that specifically i'm using that phrase specifically that is a contract so that this u.s silver certificate of one dollar which is very, in the world of economics and banking, is known as a warehouse receipt. You can go to your local bank. You could, you can't anymore. You could go to your local bank. You could walk right into the Treasury Department, honestly, technically speaking, or into a Federal Reserve branch and say, and say, I want a dollar in silver. And then you give it that. And you're giving them a warehouse receipt. They have to honor it and give you silver. So that is a very powerful contract. Now, that all changed. That all changed in nineteen seventy one. So let's run through let's run through a history here now. So the Federal Reserve Act is signed into law. Like I said, December twenty third, nineteen thirteen. And and the initial structure is set up. Now, the reason that they they did this was because the major bankers at the time, we know the names J.J., J.P. Morgan, Chase Bank, all the all the all the money center banks on Wall Street. What had started to happen over the fifteen years previous is that wealth and bank and bank wealth were starting to move to the south and southwest um and it was moving into thrifts and savings and loans um it's actually fascinating to see how this was happening so use um a major not not not a not a not a majority percentage but a very large um percentage of was moving off of wall street well the essential these these money center banks they wanted to protect their monopoly over banking and over the economy. So they agreed to meet at JP Morgan's hunting lodge off the coast of Georgia called Jekyll Island. And they even assumed different names during this meeting so that the staff could never put two people together. They were told to arrive just in common clothes and in common coaches, except for Senator Nelson Aldrich, who took off in his personal railroad car, which would be the equivalent of a leader jet today. So you had Nelson Aldrich, you had Piet Andrew Abrams, Piet Abrams, an assistant secretary of the treasury, and you had men representing the major money center banks, including Cohen and Loeb, a German financial money center banks. Now, this involves all the big names, the Rothschilds and the Morgans, everybody that was involved in major banking. The Federal Reserve, I want to be very specific here, the Federal Reserve is a hybrid. It is a banking cartel, a private banking cartel, and it is also an autonomous government agency because there is a board of governors of the Federal Reserve that is headquartered in Washington, D.C. So it is the hybrid. It has the authority and the weight of the federal government to back up its decisions while remaining almost nearly autonomous, except that, of course, its direct oversight would be the Senate Banking Committee and the House Financial Services Committee, specifically the Subcommittee on Banking. um that gets that gets very very loose because um and and i don't mean this with any affection at all ninety percent of the members of congress they do not know what the federal reserve is they don't i've i i i know these people i've i've studied them for for decades now And the ones that do know, most of them, they're simply not going to cross the line to say, okay, we need to do something about the Federal Reserve System. They might have a very good understanding as into a gold back note and being on a gold standard and all that. And they might even be very patriotic and constitutional about it. but you have to be able to take that first step. You know, how do we restore or get to a new gold standard? So this was actually addressed, okay, I'm gonna go through the history here. So in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in Then you move to the Bretton Woods Agreement put together at the end of World War II, which then changed the system and made it more international. All major currencies would benchmark their currencies to gold, and then that would be the new international standard going forward. Not a completely bad system because we were still on gold, but Remember, since February, nineteen fourteen, we're still issuing Federal Reserve notes and we have gold and silver certificates at the same at the same time. So then comes then comes the man of the hour. Well, the man of the century, Paul Adolph Volcker, I guess kind of, you know, haphazard for him that his middle name is Adolf. It doesn't mean anything. I mean, he is just, you know, of German descent and his parents gave him the middle name of Adolf. So Paul Adolf Volker becomes, graduates from Princeton, I believe, and becomes an economist at the Federal Reserve in the mid-ninetine fifties. A very, very talented man. I want to caution everybody to think that, oh, all the people in the establishment are really not that smart. No, there are people within the establishment who are very smart, very good at what they do. They've made entire careers out of maintaining the power structure. The people inside the Federal Reserve, they are some of those people. These are very smart people. It's the way they've maintained power. And also, Remember, even a very powerful institution is made up of just people, and if those people decide not to use the authority that has been given to them under law and through an act, then the institution itself is not very powerful. But an institution that has a lot of power, and if people decide to use it, then it is a very powerful institution. As an individual institution, the Federal Reserve System is still the most powerful institution in the world, not just a banking institution. You have Paul Volcker, who started his career at the Federal Reserve and would move between the Federal Reserve and Treasury positions. And this starts to get into what I call the triad of finance in America. And this is a triad relationship. And someday when there's a thirty hour day and I have time to do this, I do want to write a book and put together at least a compendium between the Federal Reserve, the Treasury Department and in goldman sachs um you look at you look at these institutions and um if you want to if you want to fast track and to get into the upper layers of the treasury department or the federal reserve um then you want to sell your butt off at one of the major ivy league schools in finance and in law and in economics and get a job at goldman sachs goldman sachs is is the is the commercial banking institute institution that sells that sells treasury bonds on the open market. And it is the banking entity that is chosen by the New York Federal Reserve to do that task. So there's a relationship there. And this is a relationship that has paid off very well for people that are at the top of Goldman Sachs. You get into that department of being involved in treasury sales and all that. um, um, um, Hank Paulson, um, former top guy at Goldman Sachs became treasury secretary. So there's a very, it's a very, it's a very big funnel of, of talent and people that want to get into the federal government at the top levels of the federal reserve and, and the treasury to start to, to, um, to, to get themselves employed at, um, at Goldman Sachs. So Paul Volcker moves through the treasury and then he is charged in the U.S. Treasury Assistant Undersecretary for International Affairs. He is the one that goes around the world and individually meets in the next administration with other finance ministers and sets up the system, the actual system of what is going to be fluctuating currents, fluctuating interest rates based on the US dollar. And then um very unceremoniously in august fifteenth nineteen seventy one the um the gold window the gold purchasing window at the new york federal reserve bank is shut down and we are officially taking off um the gold standard and we now have the us dollar as the benchmark standard and then fluctuating interest rates as to how um foreign currencies will be benchmarked to the dollar in a fluctuating way Thank you, Paul Volcker, for officially putting the final nail in the coffin of the gold standard. This is not a good man. By the way, he died a few years back or whatever. Then he just keeps moving his way up as he becomes president of the New York Federal Reserve and then becomes Fed chairman. These are very powerful people. They know what they're doing. Well, they're criminals. Let's be sure to put this out. They may be smart, but not in a way that serviced, you know, servicing anyone except for themselves and to set it up to steal the country from the people. Right. It is. Yeah. You know, this is the tragedy of when you act without morals or service to God or humanity. This is where you stand. And it is one of the great conspiracies of all time. And it's no longer a conspiracy. I mean, they operate in the open. So a little bit of structure you have. you have the nation that is divided into um twelve into twelve regions so you have regional banks there's the new york federal reserve bank there's the bank of boston um we are in we are in region seven or district seven um which is the chicago federal reserve bank and then and then there is a there's a district office um a district bank in detroit which handles the michigan component of for the for chicago federal reserve And then there is the one that I consider to be the most interesting to me personally, which is the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank, because you have to look at how large District Twelve is. So when they were setting this up in nineteen thirteen, or no, actually, the meetings on Chaco Island started back in It took them years to put this together. Woodrow Wilson commented years later that signing the Federal Reserve Act into law was one of the worst things he did. He was not an economics person. He was an intellectual and he was an academic, but he was not an economics person. They used his lack of knowledge of economics and banking and how it worked against him, the people that maneuvered him against him. That's why Nelson Aldridge was brought into this, because he was chairman of the Senate Banking Committee during this period. There's a lot of components that went into that. But I'm not taking any blame away from Woodrow Wilson. Something that big, he should have had other people working on it and all that, but he didn't. So... So here we are. So you have the twelfth region, the San Francisco, you look at it on a map of America, it covers a huge region. And I know, this is Chris's original thinking here, I know they did that back in that period because they wanted all of the banking institutions there to be under just one region because the Federal Open Market Committee, which is the decision-making body of the reserve they meet every six weeks it's referred to as the flmc is made up of nineteen members um is made up of the seven board governors in washington dc and then all twelve um regional paying presidents um the vote the um the voting happens on um there are seven permanent voting members which is all seven um um board governors including the the chair and the vice chair and then the and then the president of the new york federal reserve bank which is considered the most important because new york city is still the financial at the center of america is also a permanent voting member of the fomc and then the other four then the other four votes um rotate between the other eleven um um regional bank presidents so you have twelve total voting members of the nineteen of the nineteen members of the fomc they meet every six weeks They decide on financial policy. And of course, one of the main things they decide on is if the Federal Reserve rates are going to go up twenty five basis points, which is twenty five, which is a quarter point, or if it's going to be fifty basis points or decide that they're going to do this or do that. now the federal reserve um even the name of it um was decided was designed to deceive people the federal reserve system oh well this is going to protect the banking system because because it's federal and it's reserving things and and it's and it's the federal government backing um making sure our money suggests system is secure and we don't have these huge recessions and banking and bank failures going on. So they they specifically deceive the people that way. So but but again, it is not that each each regional bank if you if you want to be if you want to be a bank within the system, you have to buy stock. And this is the private corporate side. It is a it is a bank holding company, specifically a bank holding corporation. So like the Bank of America owns a huge amount of stock within the New York Federal Reserve Bank. So you have the major money center banks that own most of the stock in their respective regions. And of course, those banks have huge influence and huge say-so over what happens within those regions and within the system. So there's many, many tentacles to this. And of course, the president of the United States appoints members to the Board of Governors, including and specifically appoints the chairman the way Trump appointed Kevin Warsh as the new Fed chairman back several months ago in May. And all the media that surrounded that. And it is a major appointment. And then they're confirmed by the Senate. So but a lot of this is just very, very basic and not even important oversight, because, again, ninety percent of the members of Congress, they they do not understand what the Federal Reserve is. And this is a good point to to kind of take a breath right here. The majority of what I just said. will never be taught in a macro or microeconomics class and not be taught this way. And this is just a basic overview of how the system is mechanically put together. And there's more layers to it. Well, I can tell you, I had some econ in college, and that was never discussed in any of the either macro or microeconomics class. I can tell you that for a fact. And that was in the eighties. And so this is one of those things that you really have to be a little bit of a history buff and be able to connect the dots. It's like any subject. You're not going to get the education in our government and schools or indoctrination camps because they're just cranking out workers in order to capture them in this system of commerce. Basically, what you have within basic elephant econ one on one macro or micro is is you have maybe a day or two or three days that is not even that much spent on, you know, the Federal Reserve protects the banking system so forth and so on. It does protect the banking system. It's been protecting the banking system as the way a union protects workers for for many years. Now, things are starting to change. And a lot of this has to do with with the amount of debt that we have. and the amount of regulatory that we have. This should not shock people, but this is where we are with our free market system. Right now, and I say this categorically and specifically, right now, America does not operate in what we consider to be an open market free enterprise system. There are percentages to it. Nineteen people of the FOMC make immense decisions that affect the economy in very broad and very specific ways that affect everything. If I were to give a weight value of percentages, I would say forty percent of what goes on in the economy on a daily basis happens because of decisions made by the Federal Reserve. That is how powerful they are. Fifty percent of it is us, individuals, individual transactions today. Am I going to stay home and be a good boy and have leftover meatballs that I got from my friend's house yesterday when we had dinner together? Or am I going to go out and get a pizza? And do I buy Nike shoes or do I buy Converse? So is Converse still a brand? Shows you how little of a consumer I am. You know, we make these decisions. Do I buy a Ford F-Line or do I buy a Chevy Silverado? So all of our financial decisions, we make up fifty percent of the of the of what goes into the daily economy and daily influence in the economy. And then ten percent of it is regulatory with the deep state, the administrative state of state governments. And of course, the federal government put out there as financial rules and guidelines and stipulations that that are heaped upon us. So so the Federal Reserve used to be more powerful. But the rise of the deep state and the administrative state, especially in Washington, D.C., has actually taken away part of the Federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve power. um so now we go to the grace commission um of when they were first looking at how do we how do we downsize this government and they were looking at waste and fraud you know so this is forty years before before doge and and two thousand people at two thousand people that made up that um that made up that commission One of the questions they asked the Great Commission, can we return to a gold standard? I remember this very well as this was the first few years of my education into economics and personal education into the federal here and and why is the treasury secretary doing this and so forth and so on and so they explored it since we were only thirteen years removed so my first time going to Washington DC on my own time and on my own dime to work on my own policy proposals that I want to directly introduce to Congress um was in nineteen ninety three and um basically um in nineteen ninety three was about fighting against um clinton's health security act because i knew what that would do to america and i've told that story um but i also put together um over a few months i put together um a basic um a basic i um outline of how do we how do we get to a to a gold standard And at this point, we're only twenty two years removed from the gold standard. And back then, our federal government debt was only horrendous. You know, it's not insane like it is today. It was only horrendous back then. And I started thinking, you know, maybe we can do this. Plus, we're only nine years removed from the Grace Commission. And maybe there are enough people within Congress that will listen to. So I put it together. And now back then, thirty three years ago, you might have been able to return to a gold standard. We could have done it in the eighties because that in nineteen eighty four, we only had whatever, one point four trillion dollars in debt. That's hard to believe. But in nineteen eighty one, when Reagan took office, we only we only had nine hundred and eighty billion dollars in federal government debt. Actually, if we would have only indexed federal growth at one or two percent a year, just through the tax policies that are first Reagan administration, we could have grown ourselves out and completely paid off the debt and we wouldn't be where we are right now. A little historical context. Steve Forbes put out a book a couple of years back, and he touched on one topic of where would we be if we were still under a gold standard. I'm going to put this in terms of jobs. The economy would be twenty five percent larger than what it is right now. And if we were still under a gold standard, because we would not be we would not have all this debt out there. and um we um so you if you think in terms of a trillion dollars a trillion dollars um is equivalent to up to depending on what the the makeup will be is equivalent to about ten million jobs so that's how much a trillion dollars is to put in terms of of jobs so all these are very large numbers and it's all very and it's all very mystical at times to comprehend. It comes down to a central question, though. What is the right way and the wrong way to dismantle the authority of the Federal Reserve? I want to be specific here, the authority of the Federal Reserve. Because I hear people say all the time, oh, we got to get into Federal Reserve. They're unconstitutional. That is correct. And fiat money is unconstitutional. But there is a way. And Donna, you and I have discussed this both personally and then in our meetings. There is a way and there is an order to go about things. Because with the amount of availability of time, resources, and energy that you can put into them. And that applies to every single layer of government. You could have a member of Congress, and I could do this myself if I get elected, that I could just introduce a piece of legislation saying to repeal the Federal Reserve Act. Well, it's gonna go nowhere, okay? The Speaker of the House is not even going to get that onto the docket to be given to the banking subcommittee of the House Financial Services Committee. It's just not going to happen. So they'll kill it before it gets any traction. It's never going to happen. It is. And that is because of the political configuration of Congress. OK, even if even if come November third, one third of the members of the House and I'm being very specific, even if one third of the members of the House, if it's if it's all members of the Constitution Party nationally and the U.S. taxpayers party get elected, we could introduce that and it's not going to happen. You wanna see an overt coming together of Republicans and Democrats within Congress to stop it. So to repeal the Federal Reserve Act through just raw legislation, it's not going to happen. The political configuration is not there. The leadership is right there. The intellectual and mechanical and economic understanding and financial understanding of what the Federal Reserve really is, is not there. And, and, and, you have to have members of Congress who are brave enough and leaders enough to want to work on that. It's a non-starter. And there have been people that have tried to work on that, and I cheer them on for their passion, but it is a waste of time, energy, and labor, and you want to use those finite resources properly. Number two, number two, a group of individual citizens could get together and put together the greatest class action lawsuit in the history of class action lawsuits and claim direct injury from the Federal Reserve through inflation. You could do that. Oh, and interesting here, on all the economic theories out there, Friedman economics, Keynesian economics, Hayek economics, and then Dr. Lewis Kelso, who put forward binary economic theory in the late sixties and is very rarely taught to any degree. And should be looked at. Lewis Kelso knew what he was doing when he talked about binary economics and multiple economic layers working together within an open market system. It's very fascinating. And if you go to my poverty page on my website, leadership, seventeen seventy six dot com, you can click on a very short, one hundred page overview of binary economics. Yes, I put this information on my website for people to read. So don't take my word for it. Read up on binary economics. So we could issue, we could put together a class action lawsuit and sue the Federal Reserve for direct injury because the Federal Reserve creates fiat money because it's financing debt for the Treasury Department. But then they're also charged with keeping inflation under control. Well, sixty percent of core inflation is because of federal government deficits that are ran every year. So it's an insane circle game that the Federal Reserve is charged with maintaining inflation to two percent. keeping it at two percent when they are one of the they are the main creators sixty percent of that core inflation by the way i would like for someone anyone to please point to any economic theory that you studied over the years in high school or in college and in your graduate work as an economist where it says specifically in any economic system that two percent inflation per year is acceptable there's no such phrase it doesn't exist donna we do not have to have inflation in in in daily economics and in daily financial transactions it does it does not have to exist we can have we can have zero inflation and have economic growth and job creation and wealth creation all at the same time in a proper open market system with proper So we get together the greatest class action lawsuit of all times. We sue the Federal Reserve. Well, it's going to go before the Supreme Court. So let's be honest with each other here. Is this something we want before the Supreme Court? Let's go to the magical world where this happens. It gets on the Supreme Court's docket. They're not going to vote in favor of the people. They're going to follow over themselves, finding some way to make the Federal Reserve Act constitutional. So, you know, that's what's going to happen. So that would be two ways to go about it. And they would both fail. And we would now have invested years of our time and resources, time and labor, and it would all be wasted. So, Donna, go ahead and talk for a second while I take a drink of water here. That's okay. I'm just listening to you because there's a lot to absorb there. And the connections you have, you know, you have a brain that works kind of like mine where you can connect all the dots. And so, I mean, it's all connected. It's all connected. it's been i've um i've i've been i mean this has been my my core central topic that i've worked on for over forty years so so everything that i've expressed here is based on forty years of careful research and then refining and thinking about it and more research and backing up the facts and then backing up that backup evidence and everything so the there is the path There is a pathway to go about it. It is not simple. It is very complex. And you are fighting against some of the smartest financial people in the world and the most powerful people in the world because everybody benefits off of this. The banks benefit off of this because first of all, because they have direct protection. You know, what a great segue here. Protection. So two thousand eight in the two thousand end of two thousand eight when the subprime mortgage crisis hits. And I remember this so clearly when current Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, not a dumb man, comes from academia, but not a dumb man when it comes to understanding the Federal Reserve and being a functionary within the overall establishment. And Hank Paulson, Goldman Sachs boy, treasury secretary. I remember the very news footage of when they're walking up to Capitol Hill because I said, I know exactly what they're gonna do. They're gonna go into Nancy Pelosi's office. They're gonna scare the hell out of her and tell her that we have to have a bailout of the banking system and they're gonna sell her on it because they had to make it so large that only the American people could bail it out or else everything's gonna be torn asunder. Well, that's what they've done with the pension funds, too. This is exactly what they've done with the pension funds. Only the American people can bail it out. And we're going to get stuck with it, with their pension managers that have looted these pensions and the mismanagement with people that have been living off of this. and that have been stealing from this. And it's like any of these unionized government unions, whether they be civil or whatever, they're going to try to stick the American people for it after they've stolen everything in those pensions. They've done it. They're going to do it again. It's called profiteering. It's called political grifting, give it any term you want. It is wrong. Simple terms. It has been a criminal enterprise. They have systematically done it as a criminal enterprise. Easy to understand. It is wrong. It is wrong, yeah. What they've done is illegal. We're telling you right here, folks, in this open interview, it is illegal what they've done. They've broken the law. They are criminals. They are. I'll put it right out there. Go ahead and sue me if you want, folks, if you think I've just done libel and slander on anybody because I haven't. They know what they've done. So Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke, they convinced the House and the Senate that we have to have The TARP, the Troubled Assets Release Program, which wound up costing the American taxpayers about a trillion dollars, initially nine hundred billion. But let's don't squabble over one hundred billion dollars, Donna. It costs us a trillion dollars. So that's right. Petty cash, petty cash. This is what these politicians and people think. Yeah, this is what the actual component of the subprime mortgage crisis was affecting. It was affecting Citibank and the amount of subprime mortgages that they were holding on their balance sheet. God, I hate to get wonky here, but this is how much study I put into this. So they had a two hundred billion dollar problem with Citibank if Citibank were to collapse. Well, now, a Treasury secretary and a Federal Reserve chairman that if they wanted to do something legitimate, they could have just said to the financial sector, hey, you guys figure it out. You guys step in and buy up elements of their subprime mortgage holdings and you balance it. That's not what happened at all. They went up to Capitol Hill and they said, you've got to put together a bailout package. So they increased the size of their problem. I remember this news story. During this time, I'm doing these kind of like every three, four months interviews with Greg Gilbert, an attorney in Wyandotte, the city to the south of Lincoln Park where I live, who did Greg Gilbert live on local Wyandotte access. And I had put out a book on the Federal Reserve, and he interviewed me. He said, hey, this is a really complex situation. sophisticated topic. I'd like to have you back every four or five months. And I goes, yeah, sure. So all this is going on. And him and I, we had gotten to know each other. We're calling each other like every two or three days as this is unfolding in the media. And my phone goes off and I see it's Greg and I pick it up. It's eight o'clock in the morning. He said, he said, the Treasury Department just took over AIG. I goes, what do you mean? He goes, it was just on the news. I goes, they can't do that. He goes, I know they can't do it, but they just did it. He goes, they did it overnight. And because AIG had so many ties into China and everything, I guess the Treasury Department wanted to assure China that everything was going to be fine with all of their financial holdings and everything. But yeah, and now if you Google search it around, it'll backtrack onto what actually happened. But at the end of the day, I remember very well. I mean, Timothy Geithner was our Secretary at the time. They just took over AIG to protect our huge amount of insurance assets around the entire world and in America and had operational control and financial control of AIG. And I thought to myself, You literally cannot do that under the Constitution. The President cannot order the Treasury Secretary to take control of an insurance institution or a financial institution like that. And the Treasury, there's no mechanism. And the Treasury Secretary has no authority to do that whatsoever. But they just went ahead and did it. And what did Congress say? Nothing. So the TARP package comes together. Hank Paulson brings into his office, and this is when I call Greg Gilbert back after this happened, and Hank Paulson brings in the presidents of the ten largest banks into his office and says, you're all going to sign this piece of paper here saying that you will take TARP money. um because if the ten largest financial institutions are involved with taking the tarp money then they've got protection this can be sold to the american people this is the way this is the way they put it together you know this is the scheme they put together and this is the way they dumped a trillion dollar problem like a two hundred billion dollar problem of one financial institution and turned it into a trillion dollar problem to scare the american public that we've got to do this wells fargo wells fargo said um No, we're good. I'm not going to sign that. And you've got to really look around to find that information. But they said, yeah, we're going to take a hit right now, but we're not overexposed in the subprime mortgage market. We think we can weather this. It's not going to be fun. We're not happy about it. We're going to take a loss on our balance sheets and on our quarterly profit sharing, but we're okay. And Hank Paulson said, no, nobody leaves until they sign it. So they all sign it. Well, that's illegal, Donna. That's unconstitutional. The Treasury Secretary has no authority. And, again, there's no mechanism within the Constitution that allows for this to happen. And where's Congress? What's Congress doing? Nothing. They're just doing nothing. And I called up Greg. I said, Greg, did you – he also just demanded that these ten largest financial institutions that they sign a piece of paper saying that they're going to take this TARP money. You know what? He goes, they can't do that. That's not a constitution. I goes, yeah, I know. I mean, I wish you could have heard those conversations that we're having back and forth. Well, you know, look at it. It's like, by the law, I thought that's optional within the system, you know? So this is the power that the Federal Reserve has. I mean, it is unbelievable. So there are ways to go about it. And you start... it's multi-layered you start with um you start with individual things simplifying simplifying the tax code getting rid of all the tax loopholes and then eventually getting to a and of course you you start working on on downsizing the federal government so that you're not running any deficits anymore so there's less of this need for this creation of fiat money just to support this debt so all these things can happen And then at the same time, you rework the Federal Reserve under section thirteen point two of the Federal Reserve Act. For those of us who have read the Federal Reserve Act, actually the Center for Economic and Social Justice, an independent think tank out of Virginia that I've been affiliated with for fifteen years. Their Economic Democracy Act, which puts together a second economic layer based on capital ownership for everyone, which is based on the smaller model of ESOPs from the early seventies. And Dr. Norman Kurland, who is president of the CESJ and had worked in the government, had wrote he wrote the all the initial guidelines for the ESOPs, the employee stock ownership programs in the early seventies. So this is a larger economic model based on those ESOPs and based on binary economics of Dr. Lewis Kelso that you can run. You can run complementary parallel economic layers at the same time within an open market system. So I kind of sat on myself and thought, do I want to give a pop culture reference to this because I'm a sci-fi nerd? And I thought, yeah, it's a simple way. So for everybody that has seen the Avengers, Infinity Wars, and Endgames, you have the Infinity Stones. But you can use the power of the zones to destroy the zones. Well, you can use the power that has been given the Federal Reserve to destroy the power of the Federal Reserve. And this is done through Section thirteen point two of the valuation power that they authority that they've been given to assign value to to to anything is to assign value to assets, value to currency, value to contracts. It is very complex. It is not simple, but these are pathways. So you can implement a new U.S. currency certificate. That's the way I would go about it. And now we fold in the what is being held in federal trust through the Chevron Act of eighteen seventy two. Someone checked me on that. President Grant signed that into law on this, this federal trust of all of all the land that is that in minerals and everything within the land that is owned by the federal government that's being held in this in this federal trust. and now has a market value of a hundred and fifty trillion dollars so so you can congress can congress can regain take back their constitutional authority under article one section eight clause five and they can strike forty coins i would use palladium this is all on my website on the single rate tax system page i think it's under section three i left it in draft form um about how i would go about this and outline that i did for it yes section Oh, no, that's section one. I've got more information on this one page than some people put on their entire congressional campaign websites. But you could use the Chevron Act and the amount that's being held in this federal trust, federal government trust. Congress would have to pass a law to strike to strike forty coins of palladium to do this. And then they would have to assign weights and values and measurements to it. through issuing a note, and then that note would be held in the Treasury, deposited in the Treasury, assigning what is the value that has been assigned through weights and measures to these forty coins. And that would be backed by the gold that is still held within Fort Knox, which is a very substantial amount. Yes, folks, it is there. It is being held in repository. Oh, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York has a tangent here because we like to fold in tangents in these conversations. They actually hold gold reserve of other foreign nations because it's very safe to hold it in the vaults of the New York Federal Reserve Bank because it's safer than in their home countries. Although Germany just asked for some of theirs back a while ago. That was a very interesting side note on that for some reason. So we have enough assets within this trust and within Fort Knox. Professor Griffin touched on this. You can base a gold certificate and a gold system on practically any amount of gold or silver as long as it is adhered to in very strong contracts. And everybody agrees that this is going to happen. But of course, Congress has to back this up. So Congress can do these things. We can, Donald, within one legislative year, we can retire the federal debt. So these are components in ways, and this is a pathway that, to eliminating the authority and the power that has been granted to the Federal Reserve and relegating it nothing more than just a logistical service that could be folded into the Bureau of Engraving where you would keep the infrastructure, the physical infrastructure of the Federal Reserve to circulate coin and currency to the banks and then bring back the old coin and currency. So that is the pathway. that can happen within within within because it only although you only need certain amounts of legislation and and you do these individual things that that that all improve the economy and and that gains you momentum and support from from from the public And that gives you more power to move forward because you have the public behind you. So these are things that can happen to eliminate the Federal Reserve from what it is now and to essentially, you know, in Marvel Comic Universe, to use the Infinity Stones to destroy the Infinity Stones. So these things can happen, but... You need people in Congress that are willing to work on that. And it's all on my website. I mean, I put it all out there exactly how I would go about this. And I'm willing to do the work. But everybody, it's not simple. It is not easy. If there are huge problems out there, you need a huge solution. But that is the pathway. And that is kind of how I would wrap up this interview. That's the way I would go about it. There are other pathways. I'm always open to refining this discussion and how to go about this pathway. But that is something that is doable if you have enough leaders that are willing to step forward and saying, we're doing this. Well, that's the key right there. And we were talking about involvement and the people on the idiot wagon to go, I'm not going to vote because it doesn't matter. And that sort of thing. No, you have to step up. Every single person needs to step up and get in this game, whether it's voting as well as... running for office and that sort of thing, or backing good candidates like Chris. I hope everyone out there is so overloaded with this information that honestly, that we look and say, Chris, help us. you know, and vote you in. Because the one thing I can tell you about the candidates on the U.S. Taxpayers Party, which is the Michigan affiliate of the Constitution Party, we have a lot of really smart people, very educated. And Chris is evidence of what I'm talking about here. We need to get in there and do the heavy work and get this thing done. And he's going to need everybody's support to get in there and put them in office. So if you want to change things, it's time to you know, put your effort in there and support this guy. Yeah, it always comes back to that for all our candidates and I'm going to use this as my clarion call as I've done many times and I'll do it shamelessly many times again. The time to get involved is always now. And so go to my website and I encourage everybody, if you've never voted before, the time to be involved is now, right now. One third of eligible voters do not vote. Your vote matters. And if you want to know who, for all the people out there who do not vote, the ones that are eligible voters who do not vote, I want to tell you who loves you most in this world. It's not your parents. It's not your spouse. The people who love you most are the people at the RNC and the DNC, the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee. Those people love you for not voting. They don't even have to try to seduce you or coerce you into voting for their candidates. You're not voting. They don't even worry about you at all. And you're not being represented because you're not voting. So you are being taxed and you have no representation. So you're way behind the eight ball if you're not voting. They got you out of the way. They got you out of the way is what they did. If they demoralize you to the point of sitting home and saying, well, it doesn't work. Well, it doesn't work within the Republican or Democrat parties because they're agents of the corporation. They've taken foreign money. And they've done nothing. And they could have. And they love you for not voting. And Donna, they laugh at those people that don't vote. They do. They're weak suckers. We've got them. They're not even voting. We don't even have to worry about them. We don't have to spend ad money or PAC money on that at all. They're not even in the system. They're irrelevant. They are. They are. Totally irrelevant. So they don't spend any time on people that sit back. Yeah, I'm telling you, they love you more than your parents love you. They do. So, but yeah, so folks get involved. And if you're considering running for office, I say it all the time, eighty to eighty five percent of the heavy lifting is local office school boards. If you are just set up of what's going on in your local school district or you are just sick of your local city council and mayor, it's right on my website, leadershipseventeenseventysix.com, my last page, how to fix the city. That's my entire tutorial that I wrote eight years ago when I finished up on city council here in Lincoln Park. read that and and you will be properly prepared for for starting to serve run for office if you've got one really good idea i used to make it i used to say three ideas now i'm a desperate man i say if you've got one really good idea on on how to fix your city or your school district then get involved and run for office because because donna it's simple math it's simple math The way that you get bad people out of office is you have to elect more good people. It is very simple math. And if good people, if people of principle and God-fearing people, people of good moral character and people who understand what needs to be done, if they don't run for office, then the only candidates out there are bad people, mediocre people who cannot govern, and evil people. And people that just want money, power, and influence. That's all that's left as candidates if good people do not run. That is the math. That's not even my opinion. That is the math. That's how it works. Got to have options. And we got to get off of these systems that have basically captured everybody's attention. Because if it's not working, why do we go back to the same thing and expect different results? That is true insanity. Yeah, it is. And we do. And we do this every two years. I don't want to wake up November fourth and have every single every single office at the at the at the state, at the local county, not so much local, but at the county, state and federal level, all of the Democrats and Republicans. That's going to be a sad Wednesday morning if that's what happens. And I'll be like, well. um great you know and what will happen is everybody will say oh i voted i did my part i'm done no no i i want to reverse the calendar for everybody because voting that is the first part what do you regardless of what happens on november four if you voted great you took the first step What are you going to do on November fourth? What you, what you are now engaged in involve you. You first thing you do is whoever won, you have to hold them accountable, whoever it is, you ha all, all the way. And then you have to decide, how are you going to get more involved? Am I going to, am I going to get, get on boards and commissions in my city? Am I going to start, am I going to get involved and run for public office? So, so voting is step one. It is not the end of the process. It is the beginning of the process. I want to reverse the psychology on that because everybody thinks, oh, okay, we voted. We're done. You know, it's over. That was the end of it. No, it's step one. I'm looking through your website right now. You said it's on the last page of your website. Oh yeah, How to Fix the City, the very last page. I just copied and pasted my entire book in there. So what I used to sell, it's all there for free. Where do I find it on the top menu, Chris? Oh, in the menu, you have to go to more pages and then scroll down. It'll say how to fix the city and then you can click on it. And that's my entire tutorial that I wrote. And that is the information that will help you start to properly put together a campaign, how to think about policy, etc. but basically it's a, it's a, it's a tutorial and proper and proper thinking and getting yourself properly prepared because, um, if you're not properly prepared to run a proper campaign and then to serve in local office, you will be devoured by the good old boys club or whatever your local, whatever, whatever three or four people are running your city behind the scenes, because it's usually not your, your mayor, your mayor and city council. So, um, I look across America and I see this. I see this in seventy, eighty percent of all the cities. I see, especially in cities my size, fifty thousand population or less. You know, you have you have city councils that are made up of people that are retired now. You know what? I think I'll run for city council. Yeah, that'll help fill my days. That would be a great hobby to have on the side. No, that's a pretty bad reason to run for city council for mayor. Oh, I'm retired and I have some time. Let me fill my days with this. That'll be interesting. No. That's a horrible reason to run. We should go through this, how to fix a city, the next time. I know we've done that before in the past, but I know we have a lot of different viewers right now that are coming on board and listening. That would be a fun one for you and I to go through and do it systematically. I'd be happy to. Yeah, let's let's do that at some point before the election. Just it'll help get it'll help get people into the proper mindset for what they can do come two thousand twenty seven. If there's local elections in their city in two thousand twenty eight. Yeah, there's some. Let's let's definitely do that. Let's let's go through that book again. we can even do that next week. You know, it's like Chris and I, because, because we're part of the, the sec for the U S taxpayers party, the constitution party in Michigan, you know, we talk a lot and we've got two zoom meetings a week that we're on and we're We will continue to be on those religiously for Monday nights through and Friday nights so that we can address things, that we can keep onboarding people. I talked to Paul Urban this weekend while I was on the other side of the state, and he's got more counties that are stepping up. I was on last night with Johnny from Iron County. And they've got just an amazing amount of people that are coming forward in the in the U.P. And the thing of it is, is that, you know, like he said, he said, everybody in the U.P. is like done with this. I mean, like they're so done with the criminality that that it the motivation to get involved is very, very high. But I'm seeing this across the state where people are kind of waking up out of that program stupor and going, you know what, we're going to have to change and we're going to have to change fast. Because every day we've let this thing go further. You know, to your point, if we were to reverse this in the eighties, we would have been in better shape. If we were to reverse this in the sixties before Carter got in there, because Carter's a traitor. There's no, there's no two ways about it. Carter was a traitor and set it up. When you look at the early seventies, there were so many fundamental things that happened that set Carter set this thing up spectacularly. for the coup that they have launched against the United States. And these Satanists are in for the long game. They're in it for the long game. They don't care how long it takes. This is their creed of destruction of all things good because they really just want to see a captive planet. Donna, the time to stop it is always now. And for everybody out there, the time to be involved is... is is right now and it it almost it almost doesn't matter i um i'm i'm working on i'm working on something new about for for about for an america one-on-one book that um hopefully i can get it done at some point but i um But pick that one thing that burns within your soul and that is your passion. If it happens to be local government, that's fine. That's great. If it happens to be you don't like what's going on in your judicial district and you've got credentials, run for judge. If you decide, if you decide, if you decide, man, our community, We don't have an Independence Day parade. Then get volunteers together, put together a group, and you become the Independence Day parade committee. That's what we did here in Lincoln Park. We just put together a group of volunteers and brought back our Memorial Day parade. That improves the community, whatever it is. You know, you, you want to, you want to, you want to see, you want to see an autumn fest in your city. Well, jump in, get twenty volunteers and put together an autumn fest, whatever it is. Pick that one thing. But for those of you that want to run for public office, you know, and you're, again, you're a person of good moral character and you know you can make a difference. Your time to be involved is right now. Don't wait. Yep. And what we do matters. Every action we have, the minutes that were given by God, it matters. Don't waste the time you were given because God's going to look at you someday and go, wow, it looks like you had a lot of fun there. I think there's going to be an accounting for that sort of thing. Did you put your time into service or did you only serve yourself? Right. That's going to be a bad moment for a lot of people. God has blessed me with this brain that is understanding of engineering and economics and the hydraulics thereof and of politics. So if I don't use these God-given talents, then I'm going to have a lot to answer for on Judgment Day, and it's not going to go well for me. So if I'm going to be in proper service to his son, Jesus Christ, then I have to keep doing this work. It's not actually a choice. I've been charged with doing this stuff under the Ten Commandments. So, I mean, it really is that basic. Well, it's our civic duty that we're missing here in the sense of community. Are you serving in your family? Are you finding out how people are? Are you literally, because you care, not because you want to gossip, but because you actually care about people and the disconnect between between this religiosity nonsense going on here, claim it, frame it, you know, that sort of thing. Why is it all for individuals like this? That's where the self-service starts right there. It's like, what do you want me to do, God? I want to do your will and then follow it. You know, don't just sit there and play the prayer game, which prayer is incredibly important. But what are you praying for? What is your focus? Is it to serve God in his sandbox? This is his world. Or is it to accumulate things and worship the things of this world? This world means nothing. If we have, you know, we can thank God for the things he's given us. I'm not saying that. But what we were given, it's never been ours. It's on loan to us. How are you managing God's assets now? to use for other people, not to be like some big squeak that thinks they're better than everybody or that you deserved it. You deserve nothing. I deserve nothing. All of us deserve, probably if we got what we deserved, we wouldn't like what we got, well, you know, what we got or what we deserved, honestly. You know, the only reason why we are, we have any any claim to anything is because of Jesus Christ. And the fact that, you know, he's like, okay, you screwed up. You know, I paid the price on the cross. Now let's see if we can do this better, you know, but we don't deserve anything. It's all his. So even starting with that, claiming what's God's is an incredible slap in the face to God. I can't even imagine, you know, everything we have is his. Let it go. Let it go. Instead of hoarding it like, you know, we'll use the movie, you know, my precious, my precious. You really want to be Gollum? I don't think that's a good spot to be in. Just saying. Two pop culture references in one interview, folks. Take note. Hey, you know what? We just hit the jackpot there, Chris. So that's funny. Well, let's say a prayer and we're going to move on to our day here. You want to pray or do you want me to? Go ahead. You take this one. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so very much for everything that you've given us, all the opportunities to grow and even the hard knocks we've taken in life. What the world means for evil, you mean for good. And we can take it as an obstacle course and look at it and say, well, you gave me another gift here. Let's see how much I can grow and learn. and get, you know, address these things. And we know that you're always with us, coaching us, you know, you know, being there for us, showing the path and encouraging us on, come on, you can do it guys. You can, you can do better. Your, your power is transformative in our lives. And if we don't see the transformation that you've given us in facing the hard things in life, what what's the point you know we we acknowledge that every single thing here on the planet is yours we lay everything we've ever done ever had everything about us at your feet and say thank you thank you so very much for all you've done for us we're full of gratitude we're thankful for the relationship we can have with you to be able to go to you directly at any point in time and access not only the creator of the universe, but our best friend, our father, and our greatest encourager to do better on the planet. Thank you for everything. We love you so very much. In Jesus' precious name, we pray. Amen. Oh, I'm going to throw in here a prayer for Chris Thorsby. He's part of our party. He had a stroke a couple days ago. And I'd like to ask everybody to please pray for Chris because he's in ICU right now. And we're praying for miracles, you know, that everyone around him can see exactly what happened in the fact that God miraculously to heal him. And that people can see that God's no joke. He can, he's the, he's the, our counselor, our guide and our healer and everything. There's no joke here going on. And when people see those miracles and really, sometimes it gets people who are totally adverse to God go, oh my gosh, this is some real stuff going on here. Yeah, it is. So there you go. So with that said, Chris, thanks for being on. We'll see you also next weekend, tonight in our meeting. i'll see you at seven o'clock tonight yeah so while we're talking about this guys uh just remember it's time to that go to that part of the show ding ding ding go to brandonbergforgovernor.com because i'm the best non-conceiver who has ever not conceived in history the united states american elected discussion with the rightful president united states president donald j trump and cowboy boots i'll wear them better because i wear just wear them every day and then we'll talk about fixing things that need to be fixed and We're going to pull Chris into this discussion because he's the master of economics and really, really address these things that need to be done so that we can, in fact, give this nation back to we, the people, you know, we're willing to be participants in this, because I think his plan is going pretty well right now. We're addressing the Bank of England on their little Fort Rock there that has been stealing the resources of the world. And also the errors of those people in office, because make no mistake about it, they have not just broken the law, they have committed treason. And this comes with a certain punishment that we are not going to walk away from, because It was intentional for a lot of them. They bought into it. They've profited off of it. All you got to do is look at offshore banking accounts and it tells you all you need to know. So with that said, God bless you all. God bless America. God bless all those whom you love. And you know what? We'll see you tomorrow. I'll be on with certainly John and I hope Mike. Mike's dad, Ed, has been in the hospital also. The one that was working at Walmart. So there's a lot of people right now that need prayer. Please put your time into some valuable consideration for the people around us in prayer that God would be with them, opening the doors, helping them through difficulties, and also bringing along people who are supportive during those hard times in life. that we have to walk through. So have a great day and we'll see you tomorrow. And hang on. Yeah. Hang on and stay on the line here, Chris. I'm going to go ahead and the broadcast. We'll see you tomorrow.