Published May 12, 2025, 9:02 a.m.
9am Vicky Davis Technocratic Communism The United Nations as an organization is world communism. The strategy to impose world communism on the people of the United States (and the other countries in this hemisphere) has been economic rather than military as the people were led to believe it would be. It's our own leaders who were the Pied Pipers leading us to this demise of the U.S. I'm working on a timeline that shows the who, when and what. 10am Christina Urso - Christina Urso is the independent journalist who made “Kidnap and Kill”, the documentary based on the FBI entrapment plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer. Starting all the way back in 2020, Urso breaks down the FBI’s involvement with a group of 13 men who were speaking out against Whitmer’s tyrannical lockdown policies. Beyond just the fishy stuff happening on the surface, the FBI seems to have been pushing this ‘plot’ along much more than we realize. Whitmer Kidnapping plot dominated the news in 2020. Bill and Mike Null, twin brothers, were among 14 men charged in connection to the 2020 plot. In the broader contest of the plot, and allegations of FBI entrapment makes us question the FBI involvement for questionalble purposes. Bill and Mike were not among the 6 charged federally but were part of the seven charged in a state court. They will be recounting their story of entrapment through weaponized FBI informants colluding to produce evidence, funding activities, and ignoring suspects objections to kidnapping. Posts on X reflect public sentiment, with some users calling the plot a "FEDnapping hoax" entirely driven by the FBI, citing the Nulls' acquittals and informant involvement as proof of entrapment. X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1BRJjmWbqYVGw Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/636616148890812/videos/1239446974855262 Rumble: https://rumble.com/v6t9ruj-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-582025-tecnhocratic-tyranny-and-null-brothersc.html https://rumble.com/v6t9rw5-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-582025-tecnhocratic-tyranny-and-null-brothersc.html Odysee: https://odysee.com/@BrandenburgNewsNetwork:d/bnn-2025-05-12-technocratic-tyranny-and-null-brothers-christina-urso:3 Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Vicky Davis, Bill Null, Mike Null, Christina Urso
Good morning and welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it's the twelfth day of May twenty twenty five. Welcome to the show today. We're going to start out with the technocratic tyranny with Vicki Davis and then we're going to bring the Null Brothers back on for their fed nappy nonsense that happened here in Michigan. because it was the feds that set this thing up. I'm going to say it. You can't look at this stuff anymore and just gloss over the truth. And that's truly why I'm here, because I haven't found any news sources that I feel like I can trust. And that's the truth. I watch all sorts of things. I watch and I attend a lot of events. And I'm going to tell you, most of what I see out there is nothing but just a shit show. And so we're going to keep going in the same direction of this you know, that I'm going right now. And I don't really care if it's one bullfrog and three crickets watching what we're doing here. We're going to continue to bring the truth forward because I guess I just can't walk away from it. And that's just the way it is. We're going to have to continue on. Anyhow, I'm going to bring on Vicki Davis now with the Technocratic Tyranny. We're going to talk more about this absolute... I don't know, shit show that's going on out there because you and I are kind of on the same page on what we're seeing out there. And honestly, I feel like we have to sift through it. I will go to just about anything. And this weekend, I walked into one place. There were three events this weekend that I went to. I walked into one, said, nope, this is a hard nope. And I turned around and I walked out. It was so disappointing for me to see what is going on. But at the same time, I would rather see things for what they are instead of just going along with the sheeple, right? Yeah. In order to understand what's going on, you have to rise above it because things change. Well, you could say things flow downhill, but that's kind of just a cutesy thing. But the fact is that when our government was redesigned, we didn't know about it. I didn't know about it. And so in their redesign, they changed the way that our country works. I noticed it, I guess, around in two thousand, but it actually started while George Herbert Walker Bush was president when they kicked it off. But it was actually in nineteen ninety three when Clinton took over as president. He established a council called the President's Council on Sustainable Development. Well, what I realized, and I've studied this for a long time, so it just didn't pop out of the blue. But what I realized was that what they were following was the documents and the thinking of the socialist international. And the socialist international far as I'm concerned is just a renamed communist international and so what the president's council on sustainable development did they were looking at at the organization of our whole country and they used the document produced by the socialist international and um I don't know. Have you heard of the Brundtland Commission? I don't know that. Okay. The Brundtland Commission was a UN commission. It was headed up by Grow Harlem Brundtland. And they did a study for a couple years, produced a report. And then I didn't realize this, but the Brundtland Commission renamed themselves the Center for Our Common Future. Well, when Bill Clinton and Al Gore came into office, and Al Gore came in with the idea of, quote, reinventing government, the report that they used was from the Brundtland Commission. So you could just say, you know, they redesigned our government according to the Socialist International, which is, in my opinion, the Communist International. And they actually redesigned our government based on that document. I just, I'm still working on this. I've been working on a... compendium, I think is the word, of reports from that period in our government, from the President's Commission on Sustainable Development, because their reports are scattered over about five different websites and they are a little bit scrambled. They made it really difficult to follow. you know that follow the logic which is what I do I follow the logic well you're programmers so I mean when you when you um the the analytical mind that you have is absolutely going to question everything and then find the connection so so so uh and you do a great job of it I might say well thank you i I had to work really hard on this because they made it so difficult. But when you understand what they were doing, you can understand why they were trying to discourage people from looking at it. I don't know of too many people who would spend a couple of years diving into this stuff and then trying to organize it. But that's what I've been doing. I mean, I didn't, you know, when I was first looking at it, I didn't set out to do that. It kind of became a necessity to do it, to understand what it was that they were doing. Because they changed our American form of government. The government that we have now is not the American form of government. Morning, Chris. Chris wanted to come on this morning, just contact me and said, Hey, bring me on. Cause he's, he's as disgusted with the whole thing as you and I are. And you know, it's like, and people aren't thinking, you know, you've got it, you've got a document, which I'm so grateful for. I mean, I've learned so much from you, but we're, everybody's going to have to get in the game here and decide that we're going to either stand or we're going to be completely captive. I think, I think we've already fallen. If you really want to know the truth, and that the country is already fell, but there's some really good people within it that are working to bring it back. But that is going to depend on whether we as Americans are going to stand with them and get in and wise up, you know, it's like, I'm going to go back to that event I went to this weekend, okay? It was really interesting. And there's some really good people. Every time you go to these events, you meet some really good people and get it figured out that there's some really a bunch of nonsense going too. And it's a mix. You have to sift through it. And you can't do it in a way that is automatically evident, right? When you know that you've been told by three separate people that a certain individual has been to Bohemian Grove, and these people don't even know each other that have said that, you've got to start asking questions right away. And what I see with most of these events, it's just like the political parties on the state side. These people don't do jack crap. They raise money to raise money to raise money to raise money. And then they have a sob story of why they're so victimized when I'm not so sure that it's a victimized state of affairs. I actually think that it's kind of the opposite of this. And when you look at, as you're putting out here, how they've used different commissions and blah, blah, blah, that's out there to redesign our government, this goes so far. I don't even think that a lot of the people know how to fix it. They're in the seats. Yeah, well, they may not. I mean, it's not quite clear. evident but you could say that they privatized social services and passed the power down to the quote community okay the the community is the area that you're living in but you have these uh people that are just acting as if they are just ordinary citizens engaged in civic responsibility but no actually There is an actual structure. They're weaponized. They've weaponized the NGOs. They weaponized our local and county governments. It's all weaponized. When you've got most of the governments down on the border that are staffed, the people that are in position there are staffed by cartel members on United States soil. This is serious. Go ahead, Chris. Yeah, I mean, both of you are so right. And the one thing, they privatized it so they can't be FOIA, F-O-I-A-A. And so you're right about that part also. But the only way I think that we're going to be able to fix this, and we are going to be able to fix it, we're in the process of fixing it now. But you have to go back, everyone has to go back and they have to know what the history of this country is before they can fix it. Because unless you know what the foundation of this country is supposed to be like, you don't know how to fix it because you don't know what you're trying to bring this country back to. I agree. You know what? Once you find out that in sixteen oh seven, when they landed, our our framers landed in Jamestown in Virginia in sixteen oh seven, they put a flag, their flag, and they put a cross in the land. And they dedicated this land to Jesus Christ. Not Muhammad, not. Not Islam, not anyone, but Jesus Christ. And they made a covenant with Jesus Christ and God and these people. And they said that this land that you've given us, we will dedicate to you and this land will be yours. honored by you everything that happens in this land we will thank you for it and this country became a great place we created things we didn't destroy things like we're doing now we created things okay we have a one party that disintegrates and destroys they're the party of hate they're the assassination party okay they're the party of kill them if I don't like them And you can ask them, and they'll tell you that, that they don't care. They're on TV right now saying that Trump needs to go. Someone needs to whack him. Someone needs to kill him. And they're also saying the same thing about Musk. These lunatics that don't know the history of our country, they don't even know what is good about this country because their demographic that they're targeting are the ones that are not my age, sixty-nine, or your age, where they're not targeting the people that grew up in a time where we were prospering. Detroit was never a hood. Detroit and Flint, Michigan, they were thriving. They were the light on the hill. They were the industry, the automobile industry, Ford, GM, Chrysler. I mean, you didn't have hoods. You didn't have black people that were oppressed. No, it was not the way it is now. You had people that was oppressed. that were working, they had cars, they had families, and guess what? They had houses. They were owned by them. This Democratic Party went and gave all of our industries, I think starting just before Clinton, gave our industries over to China and other countries. And what did these people do? They had to foreclose on their house. They had to get their cars repossessed. Where are they going to go work and make the kind of money that they were making? Well, that's a good point, Chris, because they have absolutely privatized. They have absolutely did these public-private partnerships. It's the same thing they did in China. Same method. to own the businesses and own industry. And unless you play ball with them, you don't have a job. The NGOs are all the same way. The NGOs are foot soldiers at this point in time, a money dump. And the people that are working in them, they may be well-intentioned. but they are a part of the problem in a large part of the problem that when, when we, to write this nation, we are going to have to cut loose all of these NGOs. We're going to have to stop these unconstitutional taxes. And I'm not talking the, the fake legislated ones like X, my tax, you can't fix things by more legislation. You got to go back and nullify adding more, adding more, This legislation is like pouring gasoline on the fire. It's just making it worse. The only reason why these people are doing this is because someone is getting paid off or promised something along the line in any of these NGOs. They're either getting money or they're getting favors or something like that. There's nothing pure about this. We're going to cut the money flow to them. Yeah, absolutely, to the NGOs. And a big part of the problem is that they allowed religious organizations to be involved with government and the social services. That was the biggest mistake ever. I agree with you. I think when you saw what happened during COVID, how many churches closed down during that and refused to stay open to warn people, give them a safe place to be, letting people die alone in all of this? Any one of them that was involved in that needs to absolutely, absolutely be called out. and their NGO status, they all need to go. I would say they are not really a religious organization. I would say that religion is a front and that they actually are paid probably by corporations and with government grants, but they put on a religious front. Well, and to Chris's point there, you can't FOIA what they're doing or where the money's going. It's the same thing as these God-forsaken casinos. When the Null Brothers were arrested, and they're going to be on next, they were taken to a casino for interrogation by the cops. Now you asked me why they did that because the casinos are on, you know, like native American sovereign nation. So they, they can't be investigated when they go there and the money laundering, the child trafficking that's going on through these casinos and such, they can't be investigated. And so I say all special status for all people needs to end. Either you're a fricking American or you're a trader at this point in time. Yeah. Well, it, In that report that I was telling you about the Brentland, I think the Brentland Commission or the Agenda for Change, one of them anyway, they call out the Indian tribes in particular as if they are sovereign nations and allocate special status to them. Oh, so that's exactly what they were doing. I mean, if it's in here, I'm gonna bring this up here. This is despicable. Keep going guys, sorry. They reinvented our government based on this report, the Brundtland Report. And that's the big revelation out of all the research that I've been doing, trying to organize the reports of the President's Council on Sustainable Development so that you can follow along with what they did, what they said they were going to do and what they did. And they changed our form of government. That's all there is to it. They implemented a government designed by the Socialist International, which again, I'll say is the Communist International. So we have a communist government. Absolutely, I agree with you on that. And I think that, like I said, we have some really good people that are fighting their way out of it. But it is, you know, there's a lot of bad guys and bad actors that are in the system here. And when you look at the UN, the UN, we need to be out of the UN. It's time to be out of the UN. It's time to end the Fed. It's time to end all of the NGO status that's out there. Because these people are being run by the corporatocracy. It's, you know, to your point, Vicki, it's all by Grant's dark money and the corporatocracy, which has literally replaced the having a voice that the American people should have. Mm-hmm. The United Nations is run by the globalists. The United Nations was set up for the whole purpose of globalism so that we could get all the countries, all the set of the round table, all the leaders, okay? And they would be your globalists. They would run the world, okay? So the beginning of that, I think, started back with Johnson, I want to say. But the whole turnover of America began back in the forties. Eisenhower, when Eisenhower was getting out, he saw what was happening with the war machine, with our military and with everything. And he saw that the military was basically forming a shadow government at that time or a shadow military at that time. It was the beginning of the end for the United States of America. So they thought, because it's not going their way right now. We've gone ahead and God has allowed his David, Donald Trump, to get in office. They tried to whack him. They couldn't do it because God was watching over Donald Trump. They're not going to be able to get to him because God is controlling this whole thing. That's the way it is. They're not going after Republicans. They're not going after the rich and they're not going after the poor. What they're going after is God's children. That's exactly what they're going after. They don't care how much you have, what you have or where you live. It's not about that. It's God's children. They're going to silence us. They're going to rob from us and they're silencing us. They're trying to make us irrelevant. I don't know if you guys saw this, but there's a Muslim community over on the east side of Michigan who has declared that they are going to turn the entire area into a Muslim only area. Well, there's a settlement in Texas, too. where they're making it an Islamic community. And that's what I mean about using religion basically to convert, to break up the American culture, the American system of government. Islam is a self-contained government and religion. know so so they really don't um have a a governing structure that is something that you can count on that it's the whoever is the head of the church in in an area he's also the government so they're self-contained you see In other words, they run off their religion, right? Whatever their religion teaches them, that's their law, right? Yes, it is. Okay, let me ask you something. How come we're not doing that? We are, though. We are. I mean, they included that concept of, and only they called it community, right? Community is a very important word. It's not just a generic word as it was in the past. It has a defined meaning. And all of these community groups that do have a basis in religion, for global government, they're trying to harmonize everything. so that everything it can work with instructions from the top all the way to the bottom I've been to so many events where I'm a believer and a follower of Jesus Christ, okay? And I love God. I just want to be God's best friend, right? And I've gone to so many events when it's only about the money. There are no achievable goals. There are no goals there. It's a fundraiser for a fundraiser and a fundraiser. And they ask for blessings. They ask for this, that, and the other thing. And I'm going to tell you what. The Bible said you don't follow somebody who preaches of Jesus other than the Jesus that was preached in the Bible. And that's pretty much the exact words coming out of Jesus' mouth. It's like there will be other Jesuses that will be preached. There will be other forms of God that will be preached, but God is not in them. It's a form of godliness apart from God. It looks like it's a fake. When people continue to raise money, to raise money, to raise money, That should be your first clue that you have a problem. They are using God in order to trick people into thinking, well, of course, I don't want to make God mad. I want to get behind this. I want to do the right thing, which I think is a beautiful thing. It's really a beautiful thing, albeit it's a little naive. And we're going to have to be a little more discerning in where we put our time and our treasure because the amount of frauds and fakes out there. And I got to tell you, I woke up this morning after the weekend and there were some very, very good people. that were at the events that I was at. But I'm going to tell you what, there were things that I saw that I was not okay with. There was a very good person that I know who was puking on the sidewalk. There was from probably too much alcohol. And when, when I go to these events, I don't eat and I don't drink unless I've got a couple people that are on my team that they will bring me club soda or something like that. But I'm literally working the whole time that I'm there. I'm literally working. I don't eat any of the food they have on the tables. I do not eat any of the food that they offer me. The, the, the, the, the, Exception of that is if I go to Mar-a-Lago and it's a plated meal, I will eat at the plated meal, but I don't even eat the hors d'oeuvres there. I don't eat and I don't drink. I am busy working. At the end of the night, I might have something at the end of the night on the way out, but that's it. Because I want to have my brain. I want to be able to see things. I want to be able to assess what I'm seeing. And so with that said, there are some very good people there. I met some people in the Republican Party that were like, I'm sick of it. The Republican Party has done nothing to support President Trump. They're attacking him. They're the ones that are dragging them down. They're not standing up for what we want as American people. It's just another money raising club. And I'll go back to this Republican and the Democrat parties are a threat to the United States of America who have taken, they have taken foreign money and the money from the corporatocracy that should designate them as an enemy of the people right there. Well, I think we have two parties in rhetoric only. at the top you know the bipartisan center they work together so um we have to do we have to understand it's it's kind of like calling it waste or or uh abuse no it's fraud okay so it's not republican it's not democrat call it what it is it's globalist and it's american period it's not Republicans, it's not Democrats. Those are fake names. Those are names being used as a front, just like the abortion clinics. What is it? The mothers where they help the mother. What are they called? Planned Parenthood. That's a front. All these agencies, the programs created are all fronts for the purpose of The people that are in power, to take the money, use it to fund Hamas. They use it to fund Mossad. They use it to fund all these terror groups. They've used it to move terrorists into our country. They invaded our country. That was a second plan. I'm kind of going all over the place here. You cannot call them Democrats, you cannot call them Republicans, because that's not what they are. The Democrat Party are terrorists. You're looking at the onion opening up. This is what they're going to be. They're going to be the next Hamas in this country, because this is where that so-called Democrat Party, the globalist party, What they're doing is in the CIA, it's the same party as the Democrat Party. It's all one. It's a big injection. It's been infiltrated. It's infiltrated and taken over just like everything else has. And you've got some really good people who believe in the principles that they espouse. That's true, that are in there. Not everybody that's in the Democrat Party is a terrorist. Not everyone that's in the Republican Party is a terrorist. But we have to get smart enough to see that the management, the structure of these organizations are absolutely an arm of the deep state of the UN, the CIA, Mossad, GCHQ, all of this. And realize what we're looking at, and it's time to just leave them. But you're supposed to... It's gonna come to, you're gonna have to pick a side. There is no more middle, okay? So you're either gonna be for Trump, or you're going to hate America. I'm going to say too, you've got to be on the side of truth. You have to be on the side of truth because I'm just going to give you another thing here. What happens if President Trump gets surrounded by a bunch of bad people that are I have a problem with idolatry in all forms. Let's put it that way. We have got to critically think what we're seeing and realize that everything needs to be scrutinized. and understand what's really happening there, not necessarily what they're throwing in front of us. Because I'm kind of out on most of his cabinet picks. I think that we're going to find out that Pam Bondi has ties to Pfizer. We have, you know, and who was it, you know, she was against two way. They may have them controlled. I don't know. But what I can say is that there, we should never ever stop questioning and looking at things to figure out what's going on behind, behind the words that, the propaganda, the people, even the people. I have been an unapologetic supporter of President Trump. And I like to see what's been, has been done. But it's not straightforward. I'm going to tell you that right now. And, you know, what's that? Something I found out is that there's going to be put concessions and tariffs on Big Pharma. Yeah. They're murderers. Totally crushed. Yeah. Go ahead, Vicki. What you'll see in these President's Council on Sustainable Development meetings, they had corporations working with the government, and it was actually the government working with the corporations that basically designed the supply chain system. It was working in cooperation to save the environment. And you'll see where they had them work together to produce more efficiency. Well, what's more efficient? An American government where everybody's independent, thinks for themselves and operates, in a way in the traditional capitalist way where your efforts benefit the whole society or a freaking communist government that dictates everything from the top down there's really nothing more efficient than communism now that people have been propagandized to say, oh, communism is a very inefficient system. Well, not with modern technology and computer systems, it's not. Because that's what I spent my career doing, was building systems for corporations to allow them to run more efficiently. And that's why you have these huge corporations that have so many divisions. They do so many things. They can operate efficiently because of the computer systems that manage everything. So, yeah. So what has happened is people like yourself, very talented, very... Good people have gone in and done that job and updated computer systems and whatnot and have helped the ones that are on top stay on top with the new technology. But here you have the airports and whatnot with Microsoft software from the nineteen seventies. You also have the agencies, the EPA, you have The agricultural department, there's about twenty three agencies that all use the old Microsoft and something with Bill Gates. Microsoft is a front to this going to be something coming up about Microsoft. But they keep those agencies and those those computer systems down so that they can be infiltrated and they can be harnessed the way the people, the corporate people want. Yeah, well, Microsoft software is pure junk. The government works on it. Well, yeah, because everything with the government in terms of procurement, everything had to be included in specifications. And during the Clinton administration, they said, well, this is kind of ridiculous. We can use off-the-shelf software. Microsoft started producing their, well, first it was the Windows operating system. And I forget what year that was about. It was in the nineteen nineties. And then, of course, they started adding, there was the browser and then the the package of applications like Excel and PowerPoint and Word and those software. And they reached a point, especially with Word, I notice it, it was really good up until about two thousand seven or two thousand eight. And it's been all downhill since. It is crap software at this point. And it's captured data. Well, yeah, they steal your data too. But yeah, it's a criminal operation in my opinion. Oh, it is. But I can tell you what the problem is with the air traffic control system. Those systems are highly, highly complex. And they were originally written with assembly language, which means, you know, you really... had to have top-notch programmers, people that were really computer scientists to design and build those systems. And just because of the difficulty. See, there was a time when hardware was more expensive than programmers. And then that reverted, that reversed to where hardware became cheaper than programmers. Programmers became more expensive. But the people who originally wrote the software, they were like computer scientists, brilliant people. And my experience throughout my career is that the management did not want to touch the old systems because they were afraid of you know afraid to change and you know nobody wants to put their career at risk and so so they just you know kept the old systems running and that's what happened with the air traffic control systems They just got so old that they can't even maintain them anymore. Did you see that? I think it was Boston. I don't know which one. There was one. I'm going to say it's not Boston. I'll have to look it up. That they had their system go down and they still don't know why or how long. The next day, a whole bunch of the air traffic controllers went home because of the stress. They literally were completely in the dark. oh man well if they replace if if they replace the old systems using micro software um there will it it will be a disaster it will be an absolute disaster um you can count on it it's it's uh it's gonna be it's already in uh the workings of the bill and all that that's trying to, there's a lot of things at play right now. And the Congress has to do its job and also participate and make the thing work. Otherwise, Trump can't do it all. Trump can't just mark a pen and just go, executive order, here it is. It's got to be put into law for this to work. And these Republicans, like Lindsey Graham, all these globalists, Well, all of them, they're all there because they were chosen to sit in the seat because they would comply with them. I mean, that was a vetting process. You don't get in unless you paid the piper and they attack anybody who's a good person that gets in. In my opinion, there are so many instances where they could have stood up. They could have done something about J-Six. They couldn't. And all they've done is just sat there. Well, you know, they globalized our government. When Clinton had his Council on Sustainable Development using the guidelines provided by the Brundtland Commission, which was a UN commission, they were globalizing our government. And that's why the G. decided on global systems. There are about eleven global systems that were decided upon in nineteen ninety five. And so, you know, we don't even have our own damn government. They've integrated it into this behemoth, monstrous communist system. And they protect themselves. I mean, they protect each other. It's crazy. So the air traffic control system at Newark Liberty International experienced another outage this past weekend, marking the third system failure in less than two weeks. The latest issue involved a momentary failure of a backup system, which led to a forty five minute ground stop before operations resumed. The outage followed previous failures at Philadelphia TRACON facility, which manages Newark's airspace. The April twenty eighth outage was particularly severe, causing controllers to lose radar visibility and communication with pilots for up to ninety seconds. Disruptions have led to massive flight delays and cancellations. with some air traffic controls taking trauma leave due to the stress of the incidents. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy has announced plans to modernize the air traffic control system, replacing outdated equipment and improving telecommunications infrastructure. However, in the short term, the flight capacity of Newark may be reduced to mitigate further disruptions. Yeah, let me tell you something about the government and systems. Whenever they say they're going to modernize or whatever, and then just bingo, the system magically appears, it doesn't work like that. It takes years to develop big new systems. It's like the Patriot Act. Three days after nine eleven happened, they had that puppy ready to sign. Yeah, isn't that amazing? That's the way the government works. They don't want to give you any more information than they have to. But when they say they're going to modernize a system, they already modernized it. Now they have to fix their cock-ups. Well, the thing of it is, is that somebody got paid ahead of time to do it. And they're creating these situations in order to justify the way that they were going to go with it anyway, because somebody got paid along the way. You know, follow the money and you can always find the answer of what's happening. I maintain. Well, the Clinton administration, that's when they began the wholesale reinvention of government to put us under a single communist system of management using computer systems. Okay, now, and let me give you an example of, okay, say healthcare for example. The two biggest systems in the country were the military health system and the VA system, right? Well, and then there was the private sector system. Well, I think what they did is to say, okay, well, we'll just design a big medical records system and all three systems can use that that one model of national information infrastructure for medical records. So they mixed military money, VA money, Medicare money, and Medicaid money, and private sector, and built this system. a national medical records system, which I believe is one of the most criminal things that they did. They had no right whatsoever to do that. Palantir, right? Which is attached to JD Vance. No, the consortiums that I've seen, no Palantir, they have, I forget what it is. I was tracing, vital statistics records. And I think Palantir might have the vital statistics records. Over in London, by the way, not even in our own damn country. And the way I found that out was, when I needed a copy of a birth certificate, mine or my son's or whatever, I would just drive over to Boise to the Office of Vital Statistics. Well, the last time I did that, they said, no, you have to go online to get your vital statistics to get a copy of your birth certificate. I thought, what the hell? You know, they always produced them there in Boise. So I ended up researching that. And I ended up over in London with Boise. with Palantir. And so our vital statistics records are under the UN system. When did this occur? Oh, it was maybe about five years ago. I wrote an article about it. Let me get the article for you. Yeah, let's put the article up on it, and then I'll absolutely put these articles up on my Telegram channel, and then we can dig into this. I just think this is some of the most important things that we're going to have to take our time to see so that we know how to how to unravel what's been done. We have to know what's been done and say, okay, we're done with the UN. We're done with these treaties. We're done with the usurpations and the surveillance state and the Patriot Act and all of this other nonsense that people want to come up with and say, well, it's the government's responsibility to keep us safe. No, it's not because the greatest danger we have is government. Yep. They've got power. They've got money. They put people in place. They have private sector partners in the form of NGOs. The way I saw this rolling out is that government is limited to what is specified in law that they can do. Corporations, including nonprofits, can do anything that they're not prohibited from doing. So between the two of them, they can do any damn thing they want. And they have been. and you can't investigate them and we're funding them. They're funding our demise to these weaponized agencies. I think when people get it figured out, how many of these agencies are involved in human and child trafficking, it, I hope it makes everybody's blood run cold. Just should be infuriated by this. Yeah. I think Pam Bondi is getting into that right now. With the, with the, child trafficking and also with the uh uh pedophiles she's uh put her foot in the water and she's uh she's getting into some heavy heavy shit we're gonna hear more about that um in the future but when you're not hearing anything that's a good thing I mean they're not telegraphing what they're what they're doing the only time that they're telling you that they're going to do something is because these social medias are ramping up people are starting to walk out of their house with you know they're they're thinking you know that we're gonna go down the street and start doing some um they're they're trying to keep us at bay at the same time the good thing there are some good things that are happening right now donald trump is taking all the money away from them yes cutting off their funding so that they they can't uh go to to our well our money yours in my mind and uh uh, you know, opening up these offices that are going to create our own demise. Uh, so he shut that down. He's also shut down the intelligence reports going to people who left government. Once you leave government, you're gone. You don't get, you don't get intelligence, uh, briefings. You don't get the reports that you get nothing. You don't get, um, protection when you're out of the government you're out of the government you don't have any more so all that gets done it didn't used to when you got out of the government if you were intelligence or any part of that even military you still got Intel every single day just like everybody else in and and NIH or NAS did All right. Well, they're stopping that. They're stopping the protection. When you're gone from the military or when you're gone from the government, you're gone. That's it. You're done. That's the way it should be. It should be. But they lowered the barriers of government so that corporations can partner with government, nonprofits partner with government, and that's really privatization. And if you're kind of a problem to a nonprofit, they can set you up easy because of this collusion between government, corporate power, and nonprofit power. It's just so criminal. The nonprofit, when you go into government, they give you a cell phone, right? It's for tracking you. And they also take you into places that you probably wouldn't ordinarily go. But be a part of the group, you gotta participate. Then they get you in situations you ordinarily wouldn't go, so they blackmail you, okay? So they start to build a file on you. With these HC, what is it, the nonprofits, they're- What they're doing is they're basically saying, you can have this, but don't talk about government. Don't talk about this. Don't do that. If you do, I'm going to take that money away from you. So they're using these organizations that they give this money to, to serve their purpose. To turn it off for silence is what they're doing. Silence and complicity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's also to use anyone for money. Like it's used for influence. Some churches can be influenced into doing things the government way. Like the guy that didn't want to kick out that guy that Robert and I got in that church. We got that one guy kicked out. Yeah. Right? Okay. So that guy, he's totally bought in. He's bought and paid for. Yeah, and he shows up at different events with the different uniforms on. One minute he's a Republican, the next minute he's another organization. He's got this thing slick. And unfortunately, in that instance, we also saw how the church was compromised because the head of the church was alerted to a crime being committed there, and he went and turned the freaking cameras off. And so that so that the evidence wouldn't be there. But there was enough of us that saw it, saw what was done and saw who was involved in it, that we've got eyewitnesses all over the place. You know, Chris, Chris and I were working together on stuff for a while there and we saw so much criminality. It was incredible, incredible crime. You would make a really great story or a movie, actually, because, you know, and people walk right past this stuff because it goes back to not questioning things. They don't question it because they don't want to look stupid. They don't want to look like the troublemaker or anything. So they won't say anything because they're afraid to get kicked out of the groups. And unfortunately, the best thing that can happen to you is get kicked out of these groups or to lay them out so that they are laid bare with what they've done. I've been going through the candidates in Michigan, and I'm going to tell you what, there are some real problems. with the candidates that the Republican Party has put up for you to allow you to vote for. They are not real candidates. They are placed assets, and they definitely have agendas behind them. And it's the same person that put them up that did back in Same person. Same person. And then the same person in twenty two who I will name as Betsy DeVos pulled the funding of Tudor Dixon and started Republicans for Whitmer. It was the Republican frickin party that put Whitmer in place, backed by the oligarchs money. What's that? Say that again. Party. The party, it's not that's not a Republican party in there. You have people that, you have good people in there that still believe in what we believe in. And they're fooled because of just what you laid out. The globalists have infiltrated the Republican Party and over the Republican Party in the state of Michigan. The state of Michigan would open their eyes and see, and a lot of them have, And once they see it, there's no unseeing it. The Republican Party is just as big of a fraud as the Democrat Party. And they're taking the globalist money. They're taking the foreign money. And they are buying our elections. They are a threat to the United States of America. And because they have taken foreign money into our elections, they should be classified as a national threat. and absolutely abolished top to bottom. You are so right. As long as they stay in the American traditional left-right paradigm, they will never be able to see what's wrong with the country. That left-right paradigm is a trap. They're only giving you, let's see, you have this choice or this choice. Well, the problem is, is it's the same bird. The answer is outside of the choice. We want to get this thing fixed. We're going to have to stop it because everyone in there is either they go out to control people or they place those whom they believe in. You can't win that way. It's going to be the same old. It's going to be the same old crap over and over again. And I can't believe that people still will not get off of this bent, that they still just keep following the propaganda when it's as dumb as voting Biden. Biden was in office for how many thousands of years? And anybody thought that he was going to change anything? No, they're all part of it. and the only way the only way to stop it is to completely eliminate it yeah that's the ciamk ultra uh that's the brainwashing and all that with the media propaganda and all that and it's it's a globalist it's the communistic um totalitarianism of the globalists that have infiltrated the parties and they're trying to take America down in which they started back in eighteen eighty two when they developed the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party. was back then the revolutionary party. They set those two parties up so that later on we could, or they could, what is it? Divide and conquer. That's why they put those up for that purpose. That's why they don't want, that's why they don't allow the independent party or or any other party in there they want two strong structural parties so they can get the american people to decide which one two choices left or right and then they take them and then they divide them through the propaganda it's the only way yeah and they're all working together they're all working together More and more and more legislation, just like Ask My Tax. That is the biggest bunch of bullshit. And nobody is sitting there going through this. I've got a bunch of people that we're going to bring on. And not only were we not... did they not answer our questions for six months we gave them? And the questions we had was, it wasn't properly filed. They were collecting signatures after the date to turn them in. There were so many problems with this. But when you get into it, you can see that it's tax abatement for BlackRock because they're buying up houses, single family houses, six hundred thousand houses out there that they bought up. They're going to be picking this stuff up like Like, I don't know, like sunflower seeds off the grounds for birds, the single family houses, because even at six hundred thousand houses they bought, we got a five fifty billion dollar tax abatement by going to this ridiculous ax my tax. There's no there's no protection for the loopholes. And oh, no, Donna's being mean. She doesn't believe get rid of property taxes. No, I believe get rid of all of them, you know, but not this way. What's that? I said, you're so mean, Donna. I'm so mean. Oh, my God. Donna Brandenburg is so mean. She calls people out for the truth. Right side to that. And that is that because we're moving and we are breaking them down and they are feeling it, that's why they're coming. That's why, you know, it seems like it's getting dark, but actually it's not. It's getting bright. The darker things, the more attacks we get, the better actually that we're doing. I want to say that with those homes that BlackRock is buying up, he's buying up for a criminal purpose. That falls under the equity of crime. So all these houses are going to be returned back to us. He's not going to be able to keep those houses that he bought because of the reason he's buying them. It's no different than Bill Gates with all the farmland that he bought up in this country. He's going to be giving those back, too. This precedent there, it got set. It's been set globally by first off by Malaysia, but this is going to go all the way across the world. We've got ghost cities and the damn developers are all in the middle of this. They literally are no different than setting this up to sell us out to China. And then you've got the DNR, which is on my, the top of my shit list because they're clear cutting the state of Michigan. And, um, And taking all of the resources and destroying the dams and this, that, and the other thing. I'm going to tell you, if you don't wake up to, I'm going to tell you the top two things on my list. Ask my taxes, tax abatement for dummies. It means that they don't know, the people that are backing this don't know the original documents and that the protocol is already there to get rid of the property taxes. They're trying to do it to create a loophole for the big corporations. That is it. And the other, one of the other greatest threats to the United States of America is these organizations like the DNR and EGLE, which have been communistically taken over. Just look at the corporate board members. I already have. And look at where their connections are. I already have. and investigated this, and I can tell you what they're doing. They're literally destroying the state of Michigan. They're denying access to the people of Michigan, to the state lands, so that we can't see what they're doing. I'm going to tell you what they're going to do. We've got a tremendous amount of gas and oil in Michigan, as well as the water. It's not just the water. That's what they're coming for. Now, I've got my next guest coming on, so we're going to have to stop here. I mean, I could go on with the two of you like forever, because... First of all, we're friends. And second of all, I love that. But let's just have a few minutes of comments here to close this out. I'm going to go to my break here. And then we're going to bring on the next group of people, Bill and Mike Null. And also the woman who has done the investigative journalism, Christina, I think it's Ursa. that she's going to be on to to do a movie about the Fed napping. If you know all of these things that are created for chaos have been set up by the CIA, the the powers that be And the FBI and the department of injustice. Okay. And it's like, we got, we got to get smarter guys and, and come forward to see exactly what's happening. I really liked your story because I'm going to tell you anyone who rams a house and takes children hostage when they know that the dad who they're after isn't there. Come on, you guys are like, they're like low-lifes. The FBI, FBI lie all of them. They're a bunch of low-life thugs. I'm done with them. Well, that was part of the reinvention of government was to equalize everything, to put people that were on welfare, you know, give them a job, give them a government job, you know, because there really is no difference between people, right? You've got an IQ of ninety. You're no different than a person with an IQ of one twenty or one thirty. You know, you can you can do this government job. But that's what they did, you know, is is put those kinds of people into government. And we have the government that we have. Have you, I mean, if you guys looked around much, I'm going to tell you what, we may have all been created equal, but I'm going to tell you, there's some stupid people out there. I'm not talking sort of stupid. I'm talking, they are so dumb that they won't even save themselves. Yeah. We're equal under the law, but we are not equal in ability. Right. I'm not going to be able to run a marathon, guys. I'm just going to tell you that I'm sixty years old, you know, but but I take anybody on in the debate. I think I have a pretty good shot at that. And I'm kind of brutal. I'm being mean again, aren't I, Chris? Yes, you are. No, I told the truth. God forbid you tell the truth. Right. That's what we need. This is in the comments. People come in the comments. I never vote for Brandenburg. Good. That means I'm on the right side because I don't want dumb voters. it's like fine fantastic who in their right mind would want the job as governor you'd have to be an absolute imbecile I only agreed to run to do the job but I never wanted it because it's like you're gonna just put up with the bitters the naysayers and the people who think that you know I don't know putting like I don't know everybody get a pokeball that's how we're gonna win this okay so there I'm trying to be funny what's that In my opinion, you're like a female Trump, you know, and that's why people because, you know, they were. That's you're a female. That's exactly what you are. Mouthier than he is, though, so. But getting back to what she was saying, in Washington, D.C., when I was in D.C., what I saw was exactly what she was talking about. I saw people that were already on welfare, people that had maybe a sixth, seventh, eighth grade education, working in the government agencies, handing out Social Security, let's see, WIC. They were working in the departments, the... the departments where they hand out money and government benefits and whatnot, these people that work there were so... Dumb, I'll say it. Unqualified. Unqualified. Thank you. That's a very politically correct way to say it. The way that I would say it, that's what I'll say. The only way that you can really run the government in an actual way is to get somebody in there that is actually a CEO, not a propaganda pusher, not somebody who's got the right words or anything like that. You've got to have somebody that can get in there and rip right through the financials of this thing and have the guts to to you're fired, you're fired, you're fired, you're fired, you're fired, gone nullification. Get me a semi-load of pens, and let's get rid of all this unconstitutional legislation. Thank you guys for coming on today. I don't want to be rude to keep my guests waiting here, but love you both to pieces, and we'll see you next Monday. Okay, sounds good. All right, we're going to go to a quick break here, guys, and I'll bring on the Null Brothers and Christina. Good morning and welcome to the second hour of Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it is the twelfth day of May twenty twenty five. Welcome to the show. You know what? I'm going to bring everybody on right away. Bill, Mike and Christina. And we're going to get right down to the meat of things of what happened in the little feds direction. that had her fed napping that happened in Michigan here. And help these guys get a voice because I'm going to say anybody who's actually fighting a real voice or a real fight, they're not really getting their story out too well. But I think you guys are getting there. So how are you this morning? Good. How are you doing? Good, really good. Christina, welcome. Thank you. So glad you guys could join us this morning. So where would we want to go? We had you guys on last week. And where do you want to go this week with telling your story? I guess whatever direction you want to. Christina, she's pretty knowledgeable about everything to do with this case. And that's why I was hoping that she would come on with us. Because she can tell the story probably better than we can. can you introduce yourself and then and then let's just we're just want to listen to what you have to say right now and then maybe bill and mike can add some some details in because I think that one of the things that I'm the most proud of with brandenburg news network is we we record things for for the future that's what I did with the j-sixers is recording their information so that it can't be erased or washed away and that people are going to have to face what these criminals in our government that are pretending to be for the people, what they're actually doing. Yeah, well, I'm an independent journalist. I've been doing that for almost ten years now. And back when this story broke in twenty twenty, I remember watching Whitmer's press conference where she announced the arrest and she looked gleeful, you know, like the exact opposite of how a normal person would look if they just found out that there was this big domestic terror plot to kidnap and possibly kill them right like she she was smiling at times during that press conference so that immediately I thought it was suspicious and then I just watched the mainstream media coverage of the case come in and I saw too the way that the left and the right were initially reacting to the news of these arrests which was people um on the conservative side were rushing to smear these guys as antifa and And the people on the left were calling them white supremacists, domestic terrorists, radicalized by Trump. And so I figured that both of those were probably incorrect and started following and reporting on the case. And then from there, after the first federal trial ended, in a mistrial on Adam and Barry, the guys they framed as ringleaders, and two guys were acquitted. I ended up reaching out to Brandon Caserta, one of the guys who was acquitted, to interview him and to get his story. And just through talking to him, I realized there was so much about the story people do not know about that never made its way out there. And we decided that in order to properly tell this story, it had to be a documentary. So I decided to become a filmmaker to help tell the story. Adapt is what we have to do, right? When things go off the rails a little bit. Yeah, definitely. So what were the biggest things that you saw in when you started putting this together? Let's let's talk about the process and what you found out besides, you know, Whitmer celebrating the fact that that in her body language and reaction was off. What other things did you see that you can help people understand what was really going on there? Well, it's a very long, convoluted story. I can say in the beginning when I was following it, I mean, very early on, because the guys decided not to take plea deals for the most part. Some did, but most took this to trial very early on. We start getting discovery in the case and, you know, the mention of twelve informants. and two undercover agents. And I had already been around the same time that this story came out to twenty twenty. I'd already been at that time looking into FBI misconduct in the past, things like Pat Conco, Intel Pro. And I'd been reporting on the order of nine angles, which is a another story. But that also involved the use of an FBI informant leading a group. And I just started seeing the parallels. So that information came in. And from there, I just started looking into basically the entire thing and actually reaching out to the men themselves to get their stories, because that's the best place possible. to get the truth from. But to kind of condense this story, what you have basically is an out of control FBI who has always been, in my opinion, out of control, corrupt. And post-Nine-Eleven, they really did this push for going after so-called terrorism. And initially, this was part of the global war on terror. And the main threat we were told post-Nine-Eleven was this jihadi And many of those cases, in hindsight, looking back, all involve elements of entrapment, the use of FBI informants, questionable tactics. There was a study done that looked at like over five hundred of these terrorism prosecutions and almost all of them involve these elements of the use of informants. elements of entrapment. So this is not anything new, right? This has been going on for a while. And then at a certain point, they decided to switch targets. They needed a new boogeyman. And so now they go back to the old pack on playbook of targeting. Right wing Christian militia type people. And of course, this was in the lead up to the twenty twenty election. That's not an accident. And really, when you get into it, I mean, the FBI is spying on Americans for things that you're saying online. First Amendment protected activity. They can put you in a database. They can run informants at you and try to instigate something. And that's exactly what happened here. And we can go into the details of that because it is a, it's a big story. It's actually bigger than Michigan too. They wanted this to be a multi-state plot. Well, that's what, that's something I'd like to hear about the multi-state plot because in something else that you got my attention with is the order of nine angles. Cause I've looked into that and seven, six, four, and all of these satanic cults. That basically these are psychopaths that set up children to do their dirty work. And it's horrible. They're Satanists straight up. And if you don't think that the government has influence over people for life and death, all you got to do is look into this kind of nonsense. And it's terrible. And it's the government's behind it. Yeah, absolutely. Like the origins of the order of nine angles. It was started by a guy named David Maya, who has connections to the US intelligence community and was, you know, probably working as under Operation Gladio overseas, right in the UK, while they created an American chapter here Temple of Blood that was run by a gentleman named Joshua Caleb Sutter, who's been an FBI informant since two thousand three. And the FBI was funding his satanic publishing house, Martinet Press, over twenty years to the tune of almost two hundred thousand dollars so that they could publish books that encourage very bad activity and then create the seven six four problem that we see today. I love this. I'd like to have you back on again just to talk about this because this has been a huge area of interest for myself personally, just because I think we need to get in and look into these satanic cults deeper and what they're actually doing and how sick these people are. It's incredible. And they're a big part of the disturbances that are going on. So let's switch back over here to the multi-state involvement that was behind this. Yeah. So, well, it's a kind of a big story, but basically during twenty twenty, there's a lot of things happening. There is the BLM Antifa riots happening. People that are more conservative see what's happening to our country, how bad things are getting. They see that police aren't going to help them, that law enforcement stands down in these situations, that their politicians are encouraging it, are paying for the bail for these people. They're seeing that pallets of bricks are popping up and There's these black SUVs driving around and people are coming in from out of state or maybe being bussed in. So there's a lot happening there. And then we get the lockdowns and that's kind of the backdrop of what's happening. You have people who are opposing these unconstitutional lockdowns. Of course, Whitmer had the strictest lockdowns in the country, which she herself proudly announced. And it was really crazy. I mean, people forget about how bad that was because it's been so many years now, but you had people who were not able to work They couldn't go to work. And she was doing things like, oh, you can't buy seeds, but we'll leave a liquor store open. And small businesses can't operate. But these multinational corporations like Amazon, they can. So there's this- Yeah, there's this unfair, bizarre thing happening. Of course, marijuana dispensaries can be open the whole time, but regular people were really suffering. And so what you had was a group of guys who are kind of already aware of that. You know, they're militia type guys who, you know, do this militia training, which is perfectly legal and really should be encouraged. I mean, you should be able to defend yourself. your communities, you should have self-sufficiency, you should be able to know how to hunt, know how to shoot a gun, know how to defend your home and your community from a potential threat. And we had that threat in twenty twenty with these riots. I mean, some of these cities were burned to the ground so badly that in the aftermath it looked like Footages from some war. I mean, that's how bad some of the damage was that these groups were allowed to engage in. And in Michigan and Grand Rapids, these riots were happening. It was happening across the country. And so you have these guys who are kind of loosely part of the same milieu saying, hey, you know. our government is not going to stop this. Law enforcement isn't going to do anything to help. We should be trying to protect our families and our communities. And that's kind of what they were so angry about. And then adding to that was the lockdowns, was taking away your ability to support your family, to earn a living. I mean, what are people supposed to do in such an unreasonable situation, right? It's part of our American history that as free people, we come together and we try to figure out how to help people and not be under this ridiculous tyranny. The police at this point in time only respond. They don't stop things, the threats beforehand. They just record what happens anymore because the response time is so bad that they will not make it to a place where there's a crime being committed likely before the crime's already committed. So at that point in time, they're paper pushers, which is too bad. I knew some detectives in Grand Rapids who literally were told through the mayor and the chief of police, who was a gutless coward and took a knee on the street to these traitors. And You know that they were all funded, that the protesters were funded, and then some snowflakes decided to jump in on this because they thought it was a cool title, but didn't understand that this whole thing was a paid disruption to destroy and create chaos in the United States. Yeah, I call it domestic gladio. It's, you know, the same modus operandi of playing different groups off of each other, creating chaos, and then coming in and being the order, right? Yes, order out of chaos. So this is like a well known tactic. So, you know, people forget to that Antifa took it made an autonomous zone in Seattle, they actually took over several blocks created this autonomous zone called the CHAZ or CHOP, whatever you want to call it. And so this is what was happening. People were seeing communities being besieged, taken over. They were seeing police departments being attacked with Molotov cocktails and being attempted to be burned down. A lot of things were happening in the country that I think concern many people. And so what the FBI decided to do was they had already been in these communities, right? They have informants everywhere. They have the confidential human source program. is widespread. They spend millions of dollars on this, running these informants everywhere. And particularly, they are focused on the right wing militia type, what they call militia extremism, anti-government extremism. And they put their people in place. They have OCEs. These are online covert employees. This is an FBI agent operating under a false persona online. Maybe they befriend you on Facebook. They join a group that you're part of and they try to make contact with you and then meet up with you in the real world or introduce you to somebody else who's most likely an undercover FBI agent. I should mention to you that around some kind of FBI operation to infiltrate these militia groups already, you know, more than they've already been infiltrated, right? So a lot of the militia groups were approached by the feds. They were asked to provide contact lists, you know, lists with names of members, their phone numbers, their email addresses, their addresses. And A lot of people weren't comfortable with that. So rather than turn that information over, they chose to kind of step down. And we believe at that point, the FBI kind of inserted their informants into leadership positions of these organizations. And so this has been going on for a while. Most of this is done to literally control these groups. They are running them. You know, and then they'll talk about these groups being big, scary, big, scary, whatever. Or these are the people that were extreme on January six. And it's like, OK, well, you have been running all of these groups. You've had your informants and all of them for years. And so really interesting. we'll go back to October of twenty nineteen. At this point, a gentleman named Steve Robeson officially, quote unquote, becomes an informant. It should be noted that this is a career criminal, a convicted pedophile and somebody who has worked as an informant before when he was in biker gangs in the eighties. So he has a history of collaborating with law enforcement. He has a rap sheet very long. He's just generally a bad guy. He pops up on the FBI's radar through something called Operation Bronze Griffin. This was done by big tech companies. It was kind of done voluntarily where these big tech companies who often work and collaborate with the government decided that they would start tracking people using certain keywords. And Robeson had been talking online about governors being tyrants and He was talking about three percenter stuff. He'd taken a picture of himself posing with a firearm when he is a felon. He's not supposed to be doing that. And so he comes up on their radar. And this is how he really becomes an informant. The FBI will lie about this. And in their official CHS file, they claim that in October of twenty nineteen, he just voluntarily went to his local police to report fraud. threats of violence amongst three percenters. And this was just chatter he claimed to be hearing. There was never any evidence for these initial threats, which they claim is the cover story basically for him becoming an informant. But later documents come out showing that really he's flagged under Bronze Griffin for his own rhetoric. And he chooses to become an informant at that point to work for the FBI. And they apparently give him access to a database that the FBI has created of Americans who were also flagged under Bronze Griffin that were using these code words online. Boogaloo, militia, whatever, you know, we don't know all of the words, right, that would be flagged. These people were put into a database and Robeson's given access to this database. And then shortly after that, he makes contact with Barry Croft. Barry is later framed as a ringleader in this hoax. And he's living in Delaware. He's a middle-aged truck driver, father of three. He's raising three girls at the time. He really has four kids, but the eldest is grown. So he's a father of three, essentially, at that time. And Robeson befriends him by pretending to be friends with a friend of Barry's who had recently passed away under suspicious circumstances. Wow. And he then develops a relationship with him. Another informant, Jenny Plunk, a woman who was posing as the head of a Tennessee chapter of what really is a fake militia group created by the FBI. She also makes contact with Barry and that's, You know, around January of twenty twenty Robeson and Plunk are working on Barry. So this is before the official investigation into the Wolverine Watchmen. The Michigan group begins. This is just this is how basically this all comes together is because the FBI has these people and they're just online. They're making contact with people. They're directed to do this and then they bring people together. Right. So we are then told that this is the official story. In March of twenty twenty, a U.S. Army veteran, Dan Chappell, is going online and he's looking for pro to a groups because he wants to maintain his, quote, perishable tactical training skills. So essentially, this is a veteran who He's claiming he wants to stay up on his, his skills. So that's why he goes on Facebook looking for these pro to a groups. He claims the Facebook algorithm recommended the Wolverine Watchman Facebook page, which was a private Facebook group that had maybe people in it at the time. And so he, this, the cover story basically is that he joins this group. He goes through their Facebook vetting, he gets brought into an encrypted chat room where he claims to see threats of violence against law enforcement. And they don't document this. He doesn't take a screenshot. His buddy is a cop who introduces him to the FBI because he works on the gang task force in Michigan, Detective Ramirez. Within one week, Dan Chappell is made an informant. And so these connections are very important because Detective Ramirez didn't think that we should document these so-called threats of violence against law enforcement. He's a detective. We're to believe he had a flip phone. He just couldn't take a picture of Dan Chappell's phone. Dan couldn't take a screenshot. Isn't this interesting? But this is all the FBI needs to launch an investigation into is literally an anonymous tip. It could be and they'll say they have to. investigate it. They don't have to have the same kind of probable cause that like actual police would need to open an investigation on you. And I think that's important to note also for people who are listening that might not be aware of this. The FBI can essentially fabricate a reason to investigate you. They can literally have an informant make an anonymous tip and they'll create a threat assessment and they'll have to quote unquote investigate. So there's no real accountability. There's no real checks and balances. The FBI is kind of a rogue agency that does what it wants. And for the FBI, what do they want? They want a bigger budget. They want to justify their existence. They need to have a threat that they can point to that say, we're the ones protecting you from these really bad guys. So that's kind of what they're doing. And then on the individual agent level, the way that the FBI is structured for agents to be promoted, they have to be getting these cases, right? And that's what we see in the Whitmer case. One of the lead agents, Jason Chambers, was at the same time while he was running the Whitmer investigation, which he said he was going to run as a TEI, Terrorism Enterprise Investigation. This is like the highest threat level investigation at the FBI, which gives the handling agents access to essentially all of the resources of the FBI, which you can imagine is quite a lot. This is like we're going to utilize drones, aerial surveillance. We're going to have planes following people at fifteen thousand feet in the air and all of these resources, millions of dollars. So he said he was going to run that whether he got approval or not. That is his mentality. He is running a private intelligence cybersecurity firm at the same time called Exa Intel. This company is seeking contracts with the federal government to advise on domestic terror. They're seeking contracts with state governments for venue monitoring, right? Vetting people for Political events at venues like they were, you know, we have an email of him talking to people in Louisiana trying to sell his company software to them for this venue monitoring. Well, wouldn't it be great if they had people storming capitals maybe as a threat to help sell their software? Isn't that interesting? And so they have their own reasons, these agents, for instigating, for manufacturing things, because they themselves will personally benefit, whether it's through career advancement or then launching themselves into the private sector and saying, hey, I worked on this really big case as my qualification for why I should be hired. And so going back. That appears to be their MO. They seem to do that all the time. When you look back into the history of a lot of these people, it does not jive. It doesn't pan out. There's something wrong. So my whole thing is to tell people you've got to question the narrative always. Yes, exactly. And why look at people's motives for doing things? You know, who benefits from this, right? Like who actually benefited from the Whitmer kidnapping plot? Was it Trump? Was it conservatives? Was it militia people? No, actually, it was the left. It was Joe Biden, who, you know, had his October surprise right before the twenty twenty election where he could go and say, look at Trump radicalizing these extremists. They tried to kidnap and kill a governor. They're like ISIS. This is what was the rhetoric here. And that was the result was not anything that benefited anybody, certainly not militia groups. Since then, the Democrats have tried to introduce a bill, the Preventing Private Paramilitary Activity Act, where they wanted to criminalize just regular people being able to associate to get together to shoot guns in their own yard oh you're a gang now we can categorize you as a gang and we can go after you that's the goal here there among others so there's a variety of reasons this happened but going back to march of twenty twenty and these these two main informants dan chappell steve robeson robeson had already made contact with barry croft who would later they say, become a ringleader in this group. He lives in Delaware, not Michigan. And then Dan Chappell makes contact with a group called the Wolverine Watchmen. He joins the group. He becomes an informant. And, you know, it's interesting. The Wolverine Watchmen was like a prepping group. You know, they they were like they had a Facebook page and it was a bunch of guys out in Jackson County in a very rural area getting together to drinking talking shit and shooting their guns in their backyard that's what they were doing they were not like a technically a militia group at that point they didn't have any rankings or leadership structure it's just a bunch of guys getting together talking about prepping and you know practicing their skills, sharing skills. Like one of the guys, Paul, he had some medical skills. So he would teach medical training and then somebody else would teach something else. It's just people sharing their skills, getting together like-minded people and trying to talk about what's happening in their community. And there was a lot of reason to be concerned, to want to make sure that you, especially out in the country, because like you said, it can take time for law enforcement to come. If you're having a home invasion, it could take thirty minutes for law enforcement to get there. Or hours. Yeah, or that, depending on the situation. It could take time for an ambulance to get there, maybe the closest hospital's an hour away. So you need to have these skills. It's just, there's nothing wrong with getting together and doing this type of training and making sure you are proficient and that you can, you know, basically take care of yourself because you're on your own anyways, right? Like the police have no obligation to even help you. I think, Bill, you know about that. There was, this was during the course of this thing that was happening. That was one of the things you guys were talking about that later showed up in the FBI's surveillance of your communications and things you guys were talking about online. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they definitely they they played a big part in a lot of things with the law enforcement and not being able being there. Even our chat was talking about, you know, the government not stepping in to stop these riots. And I mean, it was it was something. Yeah. And so this is, you know, what's happening. And then at that point, Dan Chappell basically becomes the leader of the Wolverine Watchmen. This was that group that was basically a prepping group founded by a young man, Joseph Morrison, and his father-in-law, Pete Musico. And very soon after Dan joins, he becomes essentially the leader of the group. He doesn't take on the official title of like commanding officer because he says, well, Joe, you founded the group. So we're going to basically you're going to retain that title, but I'm going to be the executive officer. the exo this is the second in command but really when you talk to everybody who was part of this group dan chappell was the leader joe very shortly after dan comes in joe's having you know some marital problems he's working six days a week you know like when he doesn't have the time to do all the stuff that dan chappell starts doing which is training the guys more tactically trying to um organize an actual hierarchy and structure. It's Dan Chappell who comes up with the idea of these titles. Joe, you're going to be the commanding officer. I'm going to be the XO. That's Dan Chappell. That's not Joe Morrison's idea. That doesn't exist before Dan comes into the group. And so very shortly after that, that's March of twenty twenty in April. You know, lockdowns are in full swing. These guys are angry about it. They're upset. It is affecting their business because they were private contractors. They were you know manual laborers and they were not allowed to work at that time so you're home all day you've got nothing to do and then you're seeing these riots happening at the same time so of course you you're going to want to get together and talk to people in your community about that you're going to want to attend protests and that's what these guys did there were two protests two main ones in april of twenty twenty that they go to one of them is at uh the lansing capitol I believe And this was part I think it was like Operation Haircut was around this time. There was a lot of things going on. These anti-lockdown pro to a rallies that were popping up. They they say, hey, we're going to go to this rally. There's one April. Fifteenth, they go to that. The next one's April thirtieth of twenty twenty. And Dan Chappell basically takes a group of ten guys from the Wolverine Watchmen to the Capitol that day. The FBI has a mobile command center there. Agents Chambers and Impala are overseeing this whole thing. They've got the aerial surveillance going and they have Dan on a live wire. So he's not just wearing a recording device that is going to be examined later after the fact. He is wearing a live wire, which means the FBI is listening in in real time, giving him instruction in real time. And so these guys, they don't actually storm the Capitol like how it was portrayed right after this happened. These right wing militia groups storming the Capitol. No, they stood in line and went through COVID screening. You know what I mean? Like they did come in armed, but at that point there was no law against that at the time. After this case, they would pass a law that says you cannot open carry in the Capitol there. So nothing that they're doing is like illegal, right? Well, Dan Chappell says at a certain point into his wire, these guys look like they're getting ready to do something. And so... Agent Impala calls the Capitol Police and tells them to stand down, open the doors, let everybody in. And that's what happens. That's the optics we get of the guys actually inside the building. There's video of Adam Fox is there that day. He's later framed as the ringleader. He was never, you know, at this point, he doesn't even know the Wolverine Watchmen. He's there on his own separately. I think some of the other guys may have been there separately as well. Not with this group, but then the FBI will all bring them together and introduce them to each other. And I think it was there that Adam kind of got on their radar. There's video of him and his girlfriend, Amanda Keller, kind of shouting at the Lansing police there. And then they get this picture of the Wolverine Watchmen. all lined up behind a wall up on the second floor. And they're in their full kit. So they've got plate carriers on. They're carrying their firearms. Some of them are wearing face masks to cover their face. And so it kind of looks like it could be mildly intimidating. And then these stories go out in the news the next day of these right-wing militia groups storming the Capitol in Michigan. And, oh, it was so dangerous. Meanwhile, like nothing actually happened. The FBI would later say that they believe Pete Musico had a live gunshot grenade with him at the time, and they let this happen anyways, thinking he brought a live grenade. Of course, he didn't have a live grenade. It was one of these things you buy at an army surplus store that's hollowed out. It's like a decorative thing. But this is the stupidity of the FBI. Throughout this entire case of trying to make this a thing, they are You know, they believe that these people to be dangerous, but then they're letting them. I'll just let them, you know, into the building armed. Who cares? So then there's a dichotomy of are they really that threatening? Do you really think that they're a big threat to this country and they're scary and bad? Well, you obviously knew they weren't going to do anything or you wouldn't have let this happen. You let them go in because you knew that nothing was going to happen. These are just regular guys and that you are, in fact, the ones leading them. through your informant, Dan chapel. So that's April thirtieth. And then moving on from there, uh, they open up an investigation on Joe Morrison under Kessel run is what it was called. Um, the FBI makes like these baseball cards of basically people they want to get. It's a really disturbing practice. And so, yeah, anyways, um, Throughout that point, they're trying to recruit more people into the Wolverine Watchmen. Like Dan Chappell wants to grow this militia group. He's referring it in private conversations. He's referring to it as like his group. You know, that's how everybody viewed it. And so. Just moving forward, Adam Fox is brought in around June. He's introduced to the other members of the Wolverine Watchmen, and they planned this joint training exercise. I should add before that, June six of twenty twenty, the FBI calls and chairs a national militia meetup in Columbus, Ohio, at the Drury Inn and Suites. This is a meeting that was put on by Steve Robeson, their informant. He calls and chairs the meeting. He invites Barry Croft to come. Adam Fox goes. Now, Adam and Barry knew each other kind of like how you might have a Facebook acquaintance online that you've never met in real life, but you're Sometimes you're part of the same groups, Facebook groups or whatever, and you kind of make contact with people online. They have an acquaintanceship like that. So they meet there for the first time at a meeting put on by the FBI. And this meeting is for targets across, I want to say, nine to fifteen states. The whole purpose of the FBI doing this is to give them the proper jurisdiction to even be doing this, which is what they need interstate, right? They need multi-state involvement to justify what they're doing. So they bring these people together. It's about fourteen people that attend the meeting. Now there's Steve Robeson and then there are two other informants, I believe, there as well. So you got three informants. They're all wearing recording devices and then everybody else is a target. These are people that the FBI has identified as people that they want to basically bring into their fake plot. And so Steve Robeson's there trying to get people riled up and to get them talking. He puts Barry on the spot after, you know, outside they were having a conversation with Barry about how, you know, BLM is in your backyard. These riots are coming to your doorstep. What are you going to do about it? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So Barry's very worked up. He's upset because he's a truck driver. He's not home for long stretches of time. His kids are there. And so he's like, well, what happens? He's thinking, what happens if a riot comes to my city or my town and I'm not there? He's really emotional. And so, Barry, you know, some of the things they're asking are hypotheticals. They're talking about scenarios of things that could happen in the country. And they want these guys to believe that like a civil collapse is maybe imminent. Right. That we might be in a situation where there's like no rules and there's, you know. And so Barry starts talking about this and he says, you know, he goes on this rant and he talks about, well, if there's no rules, then, you know, I'll kill people, whatever. Like he's just ranting. He's talking about how he's driven Secret Service details off the road with this truck. This has never happened. It's like not real. But he's stoned. He's worked up. And he's ranting and this is what they want. And so the FBI will later take these recordings, play them out of context to make Barry look violent or dangerous. Now, these are guys who are stressed out. They see what's happening to the country. They're angry. They think they're hanging out with a group of like minded people. And they're they're being asked these hypothetical they're talking about hypothetical scenarios. This is not a plan to do anything. There's no, you know, agreement on a plan. It's just people venting, which is what they wanted. The FBI would try to get those guys to go armed into a riot that night in Columbus, Ohio. But unfortunately for the FBI, that didn't really work out, thank goodness, because something really bad could have happened. But this is what the FBI was instigating. So moving forward from that, you know, these guys are all kind of doing various militia trainings, not necessarily together, but in their own respective areas. So they decide we need to put on a joint FTX. That's field training exercise. We're going to do this in July. So once again, it's Steve Robeson who sets this up. It is not Adam. It's not Barry. It's not the Wolverine Watchmen. It's not the Nulls. It's not Eric Molitor. It is the FBI. who puts this on and they have it in Cambria, Wisconsin at a friend of Steve Robeson's, this older gentleman, Mike Young's property. And this is billed as a family friendly event. Steve's talking about it on Facebook. He's saying, oh, you know, come to this joint training exercise. All are welcome. There's going to be little girl's birthday party, you know, barbecue, food, whatever. so it sounds like a really fun time right think about it's july everybody's in lockdowns and then you're like getting invited to this event that's going to be a joint training exercise over a couple days we're all going to hang out we're going to have fun we're going to shoot some guns oh and if you need a ride we'll come pick you up we'll pay here's a question the guy's property that they're having this on in wisconsin is he connected to the fbi also No, he was an old gentleman who was really taken advantage of by Steve Robeson. You know, this is an elderly man who had a big property and the FBI really, you know, after this happened, they interrogated him. They made him give a statement. He was really scared. And I believe he had a heart attack. I'm not sure if he passed away, but I know he's done everything. He has had a rough time since then. No, this is just the collateral damage. They don't care who they have to use, what they need to do. They wanted to get their outcome, which was we want a joint training exercise so we can say that militia members from various states are organizing. Oh, they're getting together. They're training to do this terror attack or to plot this kidnapping. It's just outrageous when you think about the whole thing and you really look at the details. What they did here was sickening. So this is what they call the Cambria FTX, the Cambria Field Training Exercise. And this is really when they pick up the pace because the FBI is moving on a timeline, which is the twenty twenty election. We've got to get these guys doing something. and there's no evidence of anything so of course there's no evidence of anything but what the fbi knows is they know marketing they know how to sell things they know how to sell their fake cases to sell these fake threats and they know the power of media The FBI has a media liaison office for Hollywood. They have copyrighted trademarks. So if Hollywood wants to portray the FBI on film or in a TV show, say, they actually have to have an FBI media liaison to make sure that the Bureau is properly represented, which means. You can't say FBI or use our logo unless we sign off on how we're being portrayed. So that nobody ever learns the truth about how these people really are. And they're always made to look like heroes saving the country. But because of this, they know what sells. And they're like, look, we need some kind of... We don't have any evidence. So we've got to get them on camera running around with guns, something that looks really scary. And that's what they did. And it almost looks like they were like central casting, picking people that look scary, like the Null Brothers. No offense, guys. But they, that's the kind of look they want to like, maybe you look kind of like a biker or a little bit rough. They saw Brandon Caserta. He's got these big gauged ears. He's got neck tattoos, hand tattoos are like, yeah, he'll make a good villain. You know, we need to bring him in. And so this is what they do. And for Brandon, I think this was, I think he met, he made contact with, um, a friend on Discord, like they were talking on Discord, and this friend was like, hey, there's going to be this training exercise at Cambria, Wisconsin. You're free to go, whatever, come hang out. He had kind of known some of the Wolverine Watchmen guys because he's from Detroit. They're in Munich, Michigan. They're in the same area, sort of. And so they had done, I think, some training before that. But so Brandon kind of walks into this like active terrorism enterprise investigation, the nulls as well. None of these guys like know each other. And that's I think you could probably speak to this more, Mike and Bill, that how many interactions did you have with your so-called co-conspirators? Well, to my knowledge, I didn't even know the watchman. I didn't know the watchman were actually in Cambria, Wisconsin with us. I mean, Brandon, Brandon stood out, you know, the guy tatted up with gauges. I talked to him for a split second, but we were only there for like four hours. And, uh, I, you know, I knew Adam, I met him once before because we did a security. Um, we were asked to help make sure a building in Lansing didn't get burnt down by the riots. And Adam said, Adam Fox's girlfriend knew a buddy of mine, Phil. And even that, I only shook Adam's hand and I went upstairs and I sat upstairs the whole night. So I never even talked to these guys. So the fact that we were all best friends and this and that, I didn't know they actually existed. Yeah. And this is the, with all of these guys, you know, this is the story is that they're portrayed as like, they were co-conspirators and, you know, they were doing this training together. Half of them met like maybe one or two times at an event set up by the feds, you know, not even an organic thing or they, or it's a tangential thing. Like, oh, I met somebody once at, you know, this thing I was doing for work and I shook the guy's hand once or, Or I know him from Facebook, but I don't actually know him. I see him ranting on Facebook sometimes. Whatever. Even in the chat groups that the FBI set up, because it was Dan Chappell that set up the chat groups on Facebook. We weren't in the signal chats. We weren't in their telegram. So they had all these ones. And when they set up the Facebook group, me and Mike, to my knowledge, were the only ones on that chat group with our own names. So I don't even know who was on the chat group talking. Yeah, they all had aliases. I have a quick question for you for somebody to wear the FBI letters and or logo. You just brought that up. They have to be approved by the FBI or the FBI takes them down, right? Yeah. Yeah. Cause I have several different instances where I've watched people leverage that politically and, and I haven't bought any of their crap on any of this stuff it's usually one of those things I see and it's like okay these are political operatives that are being paid to do a job of some sort yeah that's right all right so we're going to be calling a couple of these people out brutally here just very shortly because I don't want to derail this conversation I'm going to grab some water if you guys can keep talking a minute I'll be right back and just keep just roll with it you're doing great okay okay OK, so we're at Cambria, Cambria, Wisconsin. This is the July seven, twenty twenty joint field training exercise put on by the FBI again to justify their presence in this thing. They have to have there be something between state lines going on that would justify more than like just regular traditional law enforcement or police being involved if there's an actual threat. And so and this is also, you know, that. Jason Chambers has to justify his terrorism enterprise investigation. So with the lack of any actual plan or plotting to kidnap a governor, the FBI is like, well, put on the joint training exercise. We invite all these guys there. They went and picked people up. Barry wasn't going to be able to make it on his own. He is a long haul truck driver. He's in his truck for long periods of time, sometimes eight, twelve hours. So he was really tired. And again, he lives in Delaware. He is not from Michigan and he's also not from Wisconsin. So this is a pretty far drive for him. So the FBI has their informant, Jenny Plunk, who is posing as the head of the Tennessee chapter of the United States Patriot three percenters. a national militia group fabricated by the FBI that Steve Robeson would go on to proclaim himself the national commander of. And so this is the backdrop. Jenny Plunk says to Barry, well, It's going to be a fun event. We really want you to come. You can bring your kids and tell you what, to make sure that you're okay to drive. I'll drive from Tennessee to Delaware, pick you up, drive with you and your kids from Delaware to Wisconsin. And then you guys can stay at a hotel and it'll be great. So that's what the FBI has to do just to even get Barry from Delaware to this event in Wisconsin. Again, not put on by Adam or Barry, the men that they claim are the ringleaders of this fake plot. This is the FBI doing this. So they have their informant drive from Tennessee to Delaware. She picks Barry up with his daughters and they head to Wisconsin. Now, at the same time, Dan Chappell rents a black suburban. Hello, if you ever see someone with a rented black suburban, just know it glows. And so he picks up the Wolverine Watchmen because they too, they weren't able to. These are working class guys. They don't have a lot of money right now. You know, there's the lockdowns have happened. That's affecting their financing. So the FBI is like, yeah, well, we'll get the we'll rent a truck. We'll come pick you up. And Dan just does this. And at the time, nobody finds this really suspicious. They just think Dan's a really passionate patriot. You know, he just really wants to to help train people and to help people. And so, you know, they go to the event again. It's advertised on Facebook by Steve Robeson, not Adam and Barry. This is put on in Wisconsin, where Steve Robeson lives at his friend's property. And about forty people show up to this event. It is an FTX held over several days. So at this training, you know, it's very standard, like militia FTX training. which for people that don't know, there's going to be some firearms training. There's going to be some shooting, but then there's also going to be maybe a medical booth. You're going to learn some medical training, how to tie a tourniquet, how to treat a wound. If there's an injury or something happens, these are skills being taught. And then there's other booths for other things. So, you know, I think one guy had a booth. It might not have been at this one. It may have been at the second one that they put on where he was training. teaching people like a cipher code that he had made. And so you have these weird, like basically whatever your skill is, you can kind of teach people, however goofy it may be. And they might do some land navigation training or whatever. This is the variety of training that goes on. So the FBI has at this point multiple informants there. You got Jenny Plunk, you have Steve Robeson, you got Dan Chappell, that's three. CM Phillips may have been there, that would be another informant. They had undercover agent Mark Schweers posing as a man named Mark Woods. He's there. And it's Steve Robeson and this undercover FBI agent who construct the shoot house. which the FBI will later say was modeled after Whitmer's vacation cottage because they were planning breaching the cottage and kidnapping her. That's not true at all. It's just something put together with plywood that was materials purchased by the FBI via Steve Robeson, their informant. He purchased the materials. He and Mark Schweers, the FBI agent, constructed. And then they put... Smiley face targets and frowny face targets in there to show that if this was actually a kidnapping, by the way, you wouldn't have friendly and unfriendly targets. You'd be willing to kill anybody if you're a terrorist and your goal is to just kidnap somebody, kill their security detail. Why are you going to have friendly targets? No, this training was actually training for close quarter combat in a shit hits the fan type scenario where there might be an urban conflict. Maybe there's a riot going on in your area and these BLM rioters come into your home. How do you defend in that kind of situation? It was that kind of practicing for clearing rooms and whatnot. And that's why they had the friendly and unfriendly targets. So this is the kind of training they're doing. Maybe they have some hanging steel targets, whatever. that they're shooting. And, you know, during this time, some of the guys are, you know, they're guys, they're going to do goofy stuff. Barry decides he's going to try to take pennies to a firework and detonate it to see what happens. Basically, he's trying to make maybe like a makeshift flashbang. And so he detonates this in a tree where there happens to be a hanging steel target from earlier in the day. So the FBI says, oh, he's trying to make an explosive. And he was testing this for shrapnel purposes. It's like, okay, if you wanted to make a homemade explosive for the purposes of creating shrapnel, are you gonna tape pennies to a firework that you bought at a store? Does that sound right? It sounds a little silly to me, but this is, of course, you know, the FBI would call this an IED. And then there was like the guys put some black powder in a balloon and it smoked or something. And Barry, I think, tried to blow up a stove that was out in the yard. This is the kind of stuff that like guys do, though, when they're hanging out and they're drinking and they're not they got nothing else to do. They sometimes you like to blow shit up. And they've got Dan Harris there. He's a young Marine, twenty four year old Marine veteran. And so, you know, he's got some knowledge of this right of how to make explosives or how to safely handle them because he was a Marine. But they're not like there's at no point are these guys really capable. Talking about kidnapping or trying to kidnap people. Hell, there's a little girl's birthday party going on in the front of the house. They've got swimming pool. They've got a cookout. There's kids, you know, learning how to shoot guns and stuff. It's a family friendly atmosphere. And so then what the FBI does is they bring Barry inside, you know, alone and they have him talking to Steve and Jenny and they're He says some stupid stuff trying to make himself sound hard, but it's not like a plot, a plan. There's not an agreement with a group of people. It's basically just saying incendiary things to get an incendiary response. And Barry's that kind of guy. If you go look at Barry's Facebook history, it's all Barry basically talking crap. You know, he's a truck driver. He's in his truck all day, so he has nothing to do but call people, talk on the phone, and then they just vent. That's what they do. And so the FBI would use against him a lot because they had Steve Robeson doing these hours-long phone calls with Barry, where Barry's just ranting because he's basically bored driving his truck all day. But this is not actual evidence of a plot or plan. This is just you spending almost an entire year following people around in their day-to-day lives having informants following them recording everything they're doing and I guarantee if any of us during that time had somebody recording every single thing we uttered there'd be some real incendiary stuff being said during the lockdowns during these riots yeah I think we all said some of these governors you know should be Tried for treason, shall we say. I see it openly all the time, Christina, because they are traitors and they should have been tried for treason and they still should be tried for treason. And that's just the law. The law is the law. They committed acts that could be qualified as treason. And it's the law. The law upholds that. Well, even when this was going on in twenty twenty, we had snuck out and there were some bars that would stay open and you should have heard the conversations at the bars. They were more intimidating or sounded more realistic than one of some of these guys were talking. I mean, it was it was crazy. Well, I'm glad that people were awake enough to know that they were literally, that our own government was breaking the law. And you go back to the Constitution, and therein is the justification for saying that they met the criteria. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so at this at this FTX, you know, some of the tactics they have the guys doing is kind of, you know, getting out of a car with a firearm is kind of these types of tactics. It's normal, like kind of militia training. But on film, it looks a little different. They have a video of Barry running around in his little tricorn hat doing the barrel training. Because Barry was so old and his knees were so bad. That's pretty much the only thing he could actually do was the barrel training. And then other than that, he saw himself as more of like a morale type person. He was there to, you know, motivate people. Barry's a big talker. That's what he does. He's a charismatic guy. So people kind of listened to him when he talked and he's actually very, very intelligent. Barry is one of the smartest people I know. His mind, he memorized the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, the US code. He is the kind of person that can give you all of this information that he's got in his mind. But he also is a bit socially autistic if you will that he's not picking up on how he's being set up how he's being you know prodded into saying certain things and in barry's mind too he has that mindset of uh you know he thinks that we have freedom of speech in this country as long as I'm not doing anything illegal I can say what I want first amendment you know and it's like well that's not really true though we all think we have those rights But the FBI is investigating people for just First Amendment protected and Second Amendment protected activity like these guys were engaged in. But he was that kind of even that naive on that regard, which I found fascinating. And he's being manipulated by these people who are pretending to be his friends, have spent months getting close to him, multiple informants being run at one person. Imagine what that does to you when you have people constantly prodding you, trying to encourage you to say the stupidest things so they can record you and give it to the FBI. But you don't know that. And they're also trying to, you know, hype up to him this idea that after the election, there's going to be a civil conflict no matter who wins, because if Joe Biden gets in, you know, we're going to have to do something or, you know, maybe some some civil conflict will happen. There's going to be, you know. fighting between patriots and BLM and Antifa. And there could be this civilizational collapse type scenario. This is what they were really. And then if Trump wins, the left's going to riot and they're going to shut down cities and burn cities. That's what they're thinking. They're being led to believe might happen. And so they're kind of planning for these scenarios of, okay, if this happens, how can I protect my community? How can I protect my family? That's the whole reason why they were attending. The FTX is put on by the FBI because these informants, you know, told them that it was really important that they be prepared for this to happen and that these bad things could happen. And then at the same time, getting them very angry about the lockdowns, which everybody had a right to be angry about, but getting them to talk about it on recording and So they could make it sound like they, oh, they had something in for Whitmer. They were going to do something to her. When really like everybody has had these conversations, especially if you lived in Michigan and you were under these lockdowns and then seeing, you know, your city's being burned, you're going to say some inflammatory things maybe. And, you know, when you look at it like Adam, he was trying to get a he was trying to do like a constitutional arrest. He wanted to see if he could reach out to a constitutional sheriff to see if they would arrest Whitmer for her unconstitutional lockdowns. So he was trying to find like a legal way to maybe do something about what was happening to his state. He was very concerned. And Dan Chappell, he actually had a sheriff who was going to meet with him. And Dan Chappell told him, oh, that's going to be a setup. Don't go talk to that guy. So, you know, trying to steer him like we need to do something on our own, you know, maybe. And so moving forward, that was the Cambria FTX. The FBI got a lot of footage they wanted there, but they didn't get enough. It wasn't enough to really build a case to claim that these men are planning a kidnapping plot. So they have to up the ante. They introduce around August of twenty twenty an undercover agent going by the name Red posing as an explosives expert. And so this is his real name is Timothy Bates. I do name and shame these people. I have no problem with it. And so they do that. And then they're still you know, we need to get something. We need to get them going up by Whitmer's cottage. And I should add that in June of twenty twenty, Mark Woods, which is the name that undercover agent Mark Schweres was going by. He made contact with Adam through his girlfriend, Amanda Keller, because she was friends with a woman online that turned out to be an FBI agent. O.C.E. online covert employee, real name Lauren Hastings. But she was posing as a woman named Elise Marie, who was just a Michigan pro to a girl dating a militia guy. Oh, you know, let's bring it. Let's introduce my boyfriend to your boyfriend. you know, that kind of thing happens. Oh, okay. Well, her boyfriend, Mark Woods, is actually undercover agent Mark Schwer. So these were two feds that got them in contact. And in June of twenty twenty, Mark Schwer is sending Adam Fox pictures of Mackinac Island of the residents there, which is, by the way, private property. It has a fence that says that. And You know, the pictures that the FBI took of this place were literally standing above the gate, taking a picture of the lock on the gate. They photographed the whole property and then gave this information to Adam. I'm sorry, but if they thought he was a terrorist, why are you giving him these close up pictures of the residence? there the governor one of their private residences and then he they also um the fbi took like a google map and they were drawing lines you know by the water because they were talking about maybe doing an amphibious assault and but the fbi was doing this this isn't adam doing this they made this map they drew the lines on it and they sent it to him on facebook along with these pictures that they took so they're already you know they've already been seeding to adam that maybe Maybe we need to go look at her residence. Maybe we need to think about maybe kidnapping her or doing something. And Adam's not really taking it too seriously. He thinks that this is kind of all like a joke. So anyways, this is just some of the things that they've been doing. And mind you, the other people don't know about this. Like the Wolverine Watchmen don't know that Adam is having conversations with undercover agent Mark Schwer saying these kinds of things. Like there's this separation of... They've got different people working on other people and not everybody has the full picture of what one person was doing the month before or who this person talked to or met with. But then the FBI will put this whole timeline together and make it seem like this was all coordinated activity or that one person knew what the other was doing when this isn't true and these people hardly know each other so now we move forward to august late august of the fbi says well look we got to wrap this case up but we need to do a casing of the the governor's vacation home so they planned this was jason chambers big thing they planned a recon of her vacation cottage for august twenty ninth of twenty twenty the daytime recon and we have text messages of the fbi agents and informants talking where the fbi agents are trying to get them to invite as many people as possible they literally are naming names try to get brandon caserta there how about dan harris how about ty garvin how about this person they want you a large amount of people because they need to implicate these people. They need to get some kind of more concrete evidence of an actual plot besides just the videos and recordings of them at these meetings and field training exercises. So unfortunately for the FBI, people had conflicting schedules. People have families. They have to work. So the only people they could get to go on the daytime recon is Dan Chappell, their informant, Adam Fox, who is at this point, he's homeless. He's living in the basement of a vacuum repair shop. This is his resources, right? This man is not doing super well. He's also not doing that bad either. He kind of chose to live in the basement of the back shack because he had a dog. But anyways, the point is that this is not a man of great resources. So he comes and then the only other person they could get to go was Eric Molitor. Eric lives in Cadillac. So imagine these people live in different areas. Adam's in Grand Rapids. Dan Chappell's from Flint. Eric is in Cadillac, Michigan. And so they tell Eric, Adam sends him a message and says, hey. we're going to go check out a high profile vacation cottage. You want to come? Eric says, sure. Cause he's done, you know, security work with Adam before they had been tracking BLM riders that were coming in from out of town, staying at hotels. And they were giving that information to law enforcement and the police. So Eric thinks, Oh, BLM must have adapted their tactics. They're not staying at hotels anymore. They must be renting Airbnbs. He thinks that's what they're what that means when he says you want to go check out a high profile vacation cottage. So that's what Eric thinks. And on August twenty ninth. Dan Chappell, driving the car, picks up Adam Fox, and then they come and pick up Eric. They stop by Eric's house, and Eric still has no idea where they're actually going to be going. He just knows we're going to check out a high-profile vacation cottage. Eric is trying to further his career in private security, where he'd done some security for Menards, the the store during that time. And he's trying to get these security jobs. So he bought this cheap little toy on Amazon. It was like an RF detector, you know? Oh, you know, it's supposed to be able to tell if there's like a listening device or whatever. So he brings this out and he shows it off to Adam and Dan. And again, he doesn't know Dan. This is the first time Eric Mulder has ever met Dan Chappell. He hardly knows Adam. He's known him from a couple jobs they worked together. But this is what guys do. You know, they want to show off their little toys. So he did that. And that's documented. Right. This fifty dollar little dinky thing. You know, the FBI is like, oh, look, he was going to scan people for listening devices because he was looking for feds because they knew they were doing something. No, no. That's not true at all. So anyways, they get picked up. They all smoke weed together. You know, the FBI has got to get everybody stoned. And then they go up and they're driving. And during the first part of the drive, like the first hour, they're all just kind of hanging out. Eric's in the backseat. Dan's driving. Adam is in the passenger seat. Dan is armed. Adam might be armed. Eric isn't sure. But this is the situation. You know, you're sitting in a car with basically two potentially armed people. One, you just met that day. The other, you only know from like online and you've met a couple of times. So they start getting closer to her vacation cottage. And this is where they turn off the radio and they get serious. And they mentioned for the first time, we're going to check out that bitch Whitmer's place. And this is the first time Eric hears the name Whitmer. Up until that point, they never said governor or Whitmer or governor's cottage, anything like that. And so he gets it dropped in his lap that like while he's in the car, it's too late to turn back now or to get out of the car. Plus, this guy is armed. Who's driving the car? This Dan guy. He's you know, he looks like a real deal operator, which he is. Of course, he was in the army. And so, you know, that's the situation of how the FBI had to manipulate this whole thing. And Adam is very childlike. He's very naive, very trusting, almost like a child, you know, like giggling about this whole thing like it's a joke. And so literally, they just have... Dan, drive them up. Dan already had the address, but he tells Eric, look up the address. And why do they do that? Because they want to ping a Google search on Eric's phone so the FBI can use this as evidence later that Eric knew what they were doing before he got in the vehicle. That he knew this was a plan to kidnap the governor and to get some evidence that... any kind of plot was happening to kidnap her. So Dan Chapel tells Eric, Google her address for her vacation cottage. He does that. And I think he did it a couple of times because I don't think he was able to find it at first. So there's like six Google searches in his phone for this. But this is again, when they're already up there and in the area and it's just been sprung on him. And he's not sure how serious this is. If these guys are serious, he doesn't want to be You know, the person that says no, because then there could be fallout. Who knows? He wants to see like what's really going on here. And if it is, you know, something serious, he would let law enforcement know. That's kind of his thinking. So, you know, he's like, OK, whatever. He looks up the address. Dan already knew. And so they drive them by. I think it's Timberlake Drive. By the way, this is not on like a private property. It's literally a street anyone can go drive down. It's not illegal to drive down the street. Oh, but they had Dan, you know, is driving. He has Adam film film as we drive by film her vacation cottage. So Adam, of course, does. And there's a couple of videos that the FBI will then take from Adam's phone as evidence that they were really plotting to kidnap her. When really it's like they're driving down the street, Dan tells them take a video and then they just keep driving. It's not casing a place. Casing a place would be like you actually get out and you get a lay of the ground. You pull up floor plans of the house or you're actually out there spying and casing it like you would be if you were really gonna do something. Driving by and filming a little three second video on your phone isn't really casing a place just putting that out there if you're really serious about you know breaching somebody's house and kidnapping a governor like let's get real and this is this is an area I got a question to ask here so bill and mike have not been involved in any of this other than going to that camp up in wisconsin for a kid's birthday party yeah that this is like totally apart from what they've done correct Yes, and same with some of the other guys. Barry has no idea. Barry lives in Delaware. He doesn't know this is going on. He's not in any of their encrypted chats. He's an older guy, middle-aged guy. And then the Wolverine Watchmen don't know that this is happening. You know, this is what I mean where they separate people out, they isolate them and do certain things. And then everybody is somehow guilty by association. And these are tangential fleeting associations at best. of people you maybe have an acquaintance with online, but you don't really know. These guys were not all great friends. They have very limited occasional connections. And like, this is just Dan, the informant, Adam Fox, who they frame as the ringleader, and Eric Mulliter, this guy from Cadillac, Michigan, not a member of the Wolverine Watchmen militia group. You know, he had his own group called the Cadillac Crew. So this is what I mean where they just, they're trying to bring people together to make this look like it's something other than it is. So they drive by, they do the daytime quote unquote recon of her surveillance, of her vacation cottage. And so after that, this isn't good enough because they only got, Adam and Eric. So the FBI is like, well, we're going to have to do another recon because we need to get all of these guys, as many as possible, the guys we want to arrest to the vacation cottage. We've got to get them on video going up there or at least track that and be able to track that they went to this area. because there's no actual real plot. There's nothing that they have at this point that shows all of these guys getting together and saying, we're going to do this. This is how we're going to do it. We're going to do it on this date at this time, this way. No. And the only people who've been talking about potentially doing something like that is the FBI at these meetings. And people don't take it seriously. They think that everybody's just venting, you know, Adam is on recording at one of these meetings, uh, where he says something like, oh, yeah, you know, we can go nab her and we'll take her out on a boat and maybe leave her in the middle of the lake to inconvenience her security. So they're just talking about like taking her, putting her in the lake and then leaving her there to be picked up by her own people. That doesn't sound like it just sounds ridiculous. He's talking about we could fly her over the lake on a kite. He says, oh, yeah, we could then, you know, we'll put her on trial. We'll do like a citizen's arrest and put her on trial in Wisconsin. And we'll hog tie her to the table and everybody will stand around posing like we just did the world's biggest drug bust. This is not serious talk. This is not a real plan. This is somebody who's just talking silly. And Adam has a love for movies. So you get that sense when you are listening to the conversations or reading the transcripts of it. He's talking about like, and then we can commandeer the airspace and we'll get a Black Hawk and a Huey. And, you know, like they're going to have access to Black Hawk. So they're going to be able to commandeer the airspace. It's nonsense. But this is Adam in his mind. This is all a joke. It's not real. Because Dan Chappell told him when he was in the military and they wanted to get guys trained and focused, they had to get them focused on a specific mission, right? You got to train them for a mission. That's how you get them focused. And so in Adam's mind, this isn't real. It's a fake mission, but it's something that they talk about to kind of motivate the guys to train more, to be more involved or whatever. That's Adam's thinking. It's very, like I said, very childlike, very naive and very silly. And Adam is a very big hearted person. He's, you know, very sweet. Like he had no criminal record before this, no history of violence. That's the other thing I tell people. Nobody just wakes up one day and says, yeah, I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to become a criminal, a domestic terrorist, and I'm going to plot to kidnap the governor. No, criminals start out with maybe it's shoplifting. Maybe it's like an escalation of, Criminal activity, if you actually have worked in law, if you study law, if you know anything about criminality at all, nobody wakes up and just decides they're going to plot to kidnap a governor. It's ludicrous. Are these guys, these are two of the guys that are still in jail over this, aren't they, Adam? Adam's still in jail. Adam is still in jail. He's in Florence Supermax right now in solitary confinement conditions. Florence Supermax, where they have El Chapo, where Terry Nichols is held. This is like basically a CIA black site on US soil in Florence, Colorado. And it's tightly controlled. He doesn't get to ever go outside and see the sun or touch grass. He gets one hour a day of quote unquote rec time where he has to be in like a confined area, but he can kind of walk around a bit. That's it. These guys are suffering and it's a shame. It's very sad. And like I said, Adam had no criminal record, no history of violence at this point. There's no reason to think that this is any kind of a real plot, but it's what the FBI wants. So after this daytime recon, which was just them driving up, they have Adam shoot a video. They stop at a bar called the Oasis Red Bull Tavern and they go inside. They're sitting in a booth and they've got FBI agents in the bushes outside. They have them inside the restaurant in plain clothes sitting at another booth. Already there waiting. Right. So they get Adam to sit down at a booth with Eric and Dan and Dan gives him a piece of paper and a pen and tells him to draw a map of where we just were. And Adam's like, well, I don't know how to do that. Oh, it's OK. Just do your best. And then the FBI is sitting there taking pictures of him while he is, quote unquote, drawing the map. And then he gives the map to Dan because the FBI informant is the person who asked him to do it. And Dan's the leader there, not Adam. Adam isn't a ringleader. He is following whatever Dan Chappell tells him to do because he sees Dan as a father figure. it's very like I said disgusting how they prey on people like this and use these friendships to hurt people really and you know dan uh adam isn't wanting to disappoint dan so he does that and then they take pictures of it that was the the daytime recon and and that is not enough okay um they're still at this point I want to say there's another um wolverine watchman training in early september I think but It's not anything big. None of the other guys show up for that. It's not a joint training exercise. So then their next thing that they put on is the Luther FTX. This is around September, I think, eleven and twelve. It's another like field training exercise weekend. And the goal this time is. All right. We need to get these guys going through a shoot house on camera and we need to do a second recon of the governor's house. But we need to get all these other guys that we weren't able to get at the first one. Again, this is, you know, Jason Chambers, Hanrick Impala, these handling agents. This was their big thing. And I also want to add that. I believe Richard Trask, the other handling agent who was later arrested for beating his wife and almost killing her after taking her to a swingers party in Kalamazoo. This is how the FBI celebrates these big cases. I've been told by people who were at the Luther FTX, they believe Trask was there undercover. Some people saw him in plain clothes hanging out around where the vehicles were. So I don't know if that's one hundred percent confirmed, but it is something interesting, an interesting detail to consider that they've got multiple informants. Again, they use twelve informants, multiple undercover agents, OCEs, et cetera. So at this Luther FTX, this was put on at Ty Garbin's grandfather's property out in Luther, Michigan. And they put together a shoot house. This is put together with like tarps and plywood and kind of like a hastily constructed thing. Again, you know, by set up by the FBI. And they get these guys there and it's a normal FTX as you would expect, you know, but they add in that they want to do this nighttime recon, but they don't tell people that's what they're doing. So Barry's told we're going to go do land navigation training. Brian Higgins, who is one of Steve Robison's friends from Wisconsin, he's told that they're going to be hunting a pedophile. Now, why would Higgins believe that? Well, because during this time, While Steve Robeson is working as an informant for the FBI, posing as a national commander of a fake militia group that has other informants posing as different heads of state chapters of this fake group, he's also running a fake charity called Race to Unite Races. And he's regaling these guys with stories about how he he's worked with law enforcement. He's helping arrest child traffickers. And anybody that's familiar with like the patriot community knows that that's a big thing. You know, people really don't like the child trafficking that's happening in this country. Most of these guys are fathers. So this is something that really would get them interested. And Steve is telling them that, yeah, he's gone to Mexico and And he's gone and helped get these child traffickers and rescue kids from cartels. And so he's telling people he has worked with law enforcement with this organization to go after pedophiles, essentially. And so Higgins is told, yeah, we're going to be basically he thinks they're going after like a child trafficker or somebody that might be harboring little kids. That's what he thinks he's going to do, that they're going to be checking out a place where there might be child traffickers. And this is Steve who I've known for a while. I know that he has this charity and he's told me all these stories about helping law enforcement and, you know, going on these bus, going to Mexico, blah, blah, blah. And he believes it. And I don't know what you guys were told, Bill, Mike, were you guys told you were doing land navigation or hunting a pedophile? I was just going to meet with Steve, um, we had already been drinking the, the whole day was already over. You didn't hear any crazy conversations about anything. And, uh, they asked me if I wanted to go see Steve. Um, he, we were going to talk about something. Like I said, it was, it was so long ago, but yeah, there was no, there was no conversation that anybody was going anywhere to do anything. You know, um, it was, uh, um, Shoot, it must have been eight o'clock when they come and even asked us to go. And I asked my brother if he would go with me. Yeah. So this is how it's presented to people. Barry's told like, yeah, we're going to do some land navigation. They're all told basically different things just to get them in the vehicles to get them to go. And so they, the FBI is, um, driving most of these vehicles or they're in the vehicle. So one of these vehicles is being driven by Dan chapel and there's an informant in the back may have been Steve, uh, Adam and Barry are put into the back seat and then, uh, Undercover agent Timothy Bates, this is the guy they introduced as the explosives expert. He gets in and he's in the passenger seat. And even he, so Timothy Bates was not one of the main handling agents. He is just an agent brought in to work undercover. He's brought in at the end of this. So he's not fully briefed on what this is, who these people are. He's still not a good guy, right? But he, even he getting into the vehicle, Looking at like Adam and Barry and their demeanor as they go, it's like clear they don't know where they're going. And he looks at Dan and says, do these guys even know where we're going? Something to that effect. And Barry, you can hear him on the recording. He says, destination unknown, destination unknown. He doesn't know where they're going. But this is the ringleader. Him and Adam are supposed to be the ringleaders. They don't even know where they're going when they get in the vehicle driven by the FBI. There's three FBI to two actual defendants in the vehicle. It's more feds than not. And then in the other vehicle, same thing. You know, you've got the informants basically driving. And then I think they had you guys meet up like it was a parking lot. It was a Walmart parking lot is where they brought us up to. And then everybody bailed out of the truck and we got stuck with the FBI agent. And he, yeah. And I don't even know what we did or what the other cars did. I was oblivious to it until court. Yeah. Well, so that's the thing. They have them drive up and then these other vehicles go out and they've got one that they have tried to drive by the vacation cottage. And again, they get the address wrong. And we have the communications of the FBI talking about this to each other, by the way. where one of the FBI agents is like, oh, you want to drive them up this way where we've got a really good low light ambience because they put pole cams in advance on her property even before the daytime recon, which was August twenty nine. So they already had these pole cams up ready to record them. And they're like saying, oh, drive them around this way where we've got good low light ambience like they're choreographing a movie or something. It's crazy. And then they have another vehicle, which is also informants are driving and they have them go to the other side of the lake and flash a flashlight or something, you know, and we're told that basically they're, they're, they're doing a, a, kind of like a trial run for the kidnapping and that they want to see that they can see this flashlight from across the lake why this would even be necessary or what it has to do with a quote amphibious assault which they also that was one of their theories this it none of it makes sense when you look into the details of it so it's like how is this thing going to go down they were supposedly going to get a boat and roll up on the back of her vacation cottage and do a quote unquote amphibious assault. So drive up a boat, have a couple operators get out in full tactical gear and then go storm, I guess, her vacation house and kidnap her, kill her security detail. then take her back in a boat and they were supposedly going to blow up a bridge to quote slow police response. But then there was another bridge. So that really wouldn't have mattered. And nobody thought to make this make sense at all. And then what, what are they going to do then? They're going to supposedly take her to Wisconsin. Well, where, where at Wisconsin on whose property, where is this going to house? It's going to happen. There are no details. It's just, they wanted quote unquote to do it. None of this is all coming from the FBI agents, correct? Yes. The agents, their network of informants, you know, so they had they wanted to get the guys talking about explosives because they want to be able to charge them with WMDs. So they have undercover red at this luther ftx he comes in he's introduced as an explosives expert and he plays a video that the fbi actually produced where they had this guy blow up an suv and they filmed it and then he shows the video they could call it a quote circle of trust meeting and had him and it's all their targets and And of course, the informants are recording everything. They have him play this video and nobody really says anything incriminating. So the FBI says, well, Barry responded excitedly. You know, he was real excited about that. And it's like, OK, what? And he's saying to them that he can get them explosives for like four thousand dollars. Nobody bites. Nobody's interested in purchasing these explosives at all. But this is they needed to introduce that to get him there so they could say, oh, they were interested in this. They were talking about this. This was how this was supposedly going to go down. Nobody gave him money that day. Nobody gave him like a down payment for the solar. Called explosives. It doesn't happen. So that was another dud. So they take these guys up. They have them driving around. They're trying to get them on the pole cam. And then they have walkie talkies, these DeWalt walkie talkies furnished by the FBI that they say that Adam is giving orders to people in these vehicles. There's no audio of this, even though we've got multiple informants and undercover agents and we've heard some audio from this nighttime recon. We don't hear any audio ever played at court of Adam giving people instructions over these radios. Oh, well, they'll claim maybe one malfunction. Oh, you know. No, they told the story and the story is constantly evolving. It's constantly changing. depending on what their time and so even that nighttime quote-unquote recon which was just the fbi again driving people down timberlake drive having another car go by a lake and getting out and flashing a flashlight this is not a plot or plan this is not really practicing for anything they were all brought there under you know false circumstances after this They're on the way back, they have Adam get out and pose under the bridge. and they take a picture they were trying to get barry to do it to get out of the vehicle he didn't do it um so you know some ringleader here and then they say post the pictures in the group chat so that again they get this electronically documented to make it look like something was happening that was really just being choreographed by them the entire time And so these pictures exist under the bridge at nighttime. It was in the discovery. This was all the FBI, though. They did that. And so this is how convoluted and ridiculous this whole thing was. So after this, we have text messages. This was, again, September eleven and twelve weekend of twenty twenty. so moving forward again the fbi needs to wrap this up before the election this is going to be their big october surprise uh in late september adam is texting dan and saying I you know we need to I don't I'm not really wanting to go through with your plan we need to push it back or let's go with ty's bug out plan and this out plan was in the event of some kind of collapse after the election ty had a plan to bug out basically where he would get your family, you would get some supplies and go to a location that would be safe. Because again, they're thinking there's going to be some massive thing happening, some massive civil unrest. That's what they're all thinking about. And Adam is not interested in you know kidnapping the governor there was no actual date or plan you know in place for a date they were gonna do this no what ends up happening is um october seventh uh dan chapel had planned them to go to yipsilani they said red remember the under the undercover agent posing as the explosives expert red has some surplus gear he's going to be giving out for free This is a favorite tactic of the FBI to get these guys to go anywhere, offer them free food, booze and marijuana or free gear because gear is expensive. They said, oh, yeah, he's got some surplus gear he's going to give us. So they get driven to Ypsilanti supposedly to get this free gear to meet up with Red. And it's really they're being led to the takedown. And disturbingly, right before this, Dan Chappell is trying to get Adam to bring his gun. He wants him to be armed. And I believe it's because he was hoping that if Adam brought his gun, that he might pull it while he is being arrested and get shot and killed. I think that was the purpose of telling him to do that. Thank God he didn't bring it. But it's very disturbing. Like, you know, these guys are driven to like the back of a warehouse and you can hear the audio. There's audio recording of Adam saying like, I don't think that, you know, like he's like, I think something bad is happening. Or he's like, I don't think that we're meeting up with red or whatever. And then it happens. And you can just hear the, they had agents up on the roof of this building, a whole SWAT team. They're pointing their lasers at him, get on the ground, get down, get up. you know, this arrest to arrest this group of guys who just thought they were going to get surplus gear. Oh, he's got extra plate carriers, extra magazines, blah, blah, blah. And none of them had any money to give red money for explosives. No one had four thousand dollars. Adam had like two hundred and fifty bucks on him. And they said, oh, he was going to give him that as a down payment. No, he just happened to have money on him at the time. And so this is it. That's how it happens. At that same day, the nulls are arrested. Barry Croft is arrested at a Wawa gas station in Delaware. And this whole thing is, you know, is announced as, oh, we just foiled a plot to kidnap the governor. And what day was this on? October seven, October seven. How long did the plot go on then? You know, before the arrest, I mean, how, what's the timeframe for, of when all of this went on before October seventh. That is the timeframe of, you know, just when did it start? Give me the start date to the end. The government claims that around May and June is when it began. They claim that meeting at Dublin that I told you about the national militia meeting called and shared by the FBI. They say that's when the, the origins of the plot begin. Yeah. So from June to October. Okay. I'm reading a few things from the chat here that people want to know. So that was where that came from. Did Christina obtain info via FOIA? If so, what kind of cooperation or pushback did she encounter? No, I filed FOIAs that have never been responded to. The FBI is not going to voluntarily give that information. I would have to sue them to get them to comply with FOIA, but I'm not real focused on that right now. Okay, here's another one. We heard about how they treated the guys and their families. How have they gone after Christina? Well, because I'm a public person, right? Like I said, I've been an independent journalist for a long time prior to this, and I've been very public about the documentary. They haven't messed with me overtly. What they've done is... covertly messed with me, right? So we should go back to right after there's four trials associated with this case. There's the first federal trial. And like I said, two guys were acquitted. There was a mistrial on Adam and Barry, the guys they said were the ringleader. So they retried them. They had a retrial. And then after that, there was the two state trials. There was the Jackson County trial. And then finally, where the Nulls and Eric were tried in Antrim County. So four separate trials. After Adam and Barry had the retrial, they were being held at Nuevo County. This was prior to their sentencing. But after that retrial, they were convicted in that retrial. So I... reached out to them to start getting their story because nobody else was getting it. I was doing video visits with them for my documentary to interview them to get their story before because we knew they were going to be going to jail for probably twenty years each. And so I wanted to document their story. And I'd been doing these interviews with them. I did quite a lot with Barry at that time. And the FBI, of course, was monitoring all of that. They were aware of it after Barry. So actually, the night before Barry's sentencing, I said to Barry, You know, if you want to get a message to the American people, I have a small YouTube channel, as you know, but I'll put your message out. I'll get it out there to at least my following. Barry said yes. So I recorded like a seven minute statement from him. I put it out the night before his sentencing. I want to say probably like eight o'clock at night. It was pretty late. When I finally got it up. Well, the next morning at eight o'clock in the morning at his sentencing, the prosecutor knows Kessler's quoting from this statement, right? Of this conversation we had the night before. And he's saying, Barry's still talking to the media. He hasn't taken responsibility. He is completely radicalized, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they come up with the idea now, all of a sudden that Barry was the spiritual leader, spiritual leader of this fake kidnapping plot. And so they liken him to the blind sheik and ISIS and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they argue that he should get twenty years in prison, which he got nineteen and a half years. And so. they were aware of my conversations with the guys. Adam ended up getting sixteen and a half years, which I think is fascinating because initially they said Adam was the main ringleader. So he gets less time than Barry. Why is Barry get more time? Well, it's because he was talking to me more than Adam was at that point. I had had a couple of conversations with Adam, but not nearly as many as I had with Barry. So that happens. And then after And sentencing, typically it takes like a week or two to process them out of that facility and send them on to their next one. Well, in this case, like I said, because they were participating in the documentary, as soon as they sentenced them, they wanted to get rid of the guys. But- Right after their sentencing, I went and talked to Barry and I said, I need to get statements from you guys right now for the weaponization committee that is headed up by Jim Jordan. I said, I'll do my best to get these statements. I want you guys to do statements because we don't know when you're going to get moved. And so they did. Barry did a four page letter and he read it on camera while I recorded it for him. And I got Adam to write his. I hadn't filmed Adam's yet. I was going to have him read his letter too, but I had them write it first. So after I published Barry's statement to the weaponization committee, a good friend of mine, another journalist, Ken Silva, wrote an article about it. The next day, Adam and Barry are moved to supermax prisons across the country, and my house was swatted, quote unquote, swatted, all at the same time. How that could have been coordinated if the swatter wasn't the FBI, I don't know. But that's what happened. And then shortly after that, I was debanked by Bank of America. And I've had other algorithmic suppression of my accounts, my YouTube channel, my Twitter. They took down, by the way, Twitter took down my documentary, official documentary thing. All around this time, I had a personal Twitter account, which luckily I have a big following. And I was able to get some bigger names in the conservative media to kind of say, why are you shutting down this documentary Twitter account. I hadn't violated any rules. In fact, I was paying for the blue check mark every month. I paid to run some ads for the documentary. So I spent money there. I hadn't broken any rules. Why take it down? Well, I think we all know why it was taken down. But because they got such pushback on that, they reinstated it. And they didn't give an excuse for why it was taken down. They just had somebody who works at X comment and say, oh, it's back up. okay well that was right before a bunch of other people were then taken down for criticizing certain things shall we say um mainly elon musk which happened not too long ago over the h-one b thing and a couple other things a bunch of accounts were taken down but mine was like the first one to go under you know this free speech platform but it would luckily was brought back up because some bigger people called it into question. It's little things like that. It's using the IRS to go after somebody. They'll audit you. They will send you letters saying, oh, you owe us money now. We just decided that you owe us two thousand dollars in back taxes. That's the kind of things that they do to somebody like me because I'm a public person. It's this maintaining plausible deniability. Wow. I don't even know where to start. I've got so many questions that I don't know where to start. I'm sure they've run informants at me as well. Yeah, I think that's probably really con. I'm going to tell you, when I ran for governor, I was having people visit all the time. And as soon as they said, we're here to help, I was like, yeah, like hell you are. Yeah. Sorry, this old girl has been around the block a few times. And, you know, I don't trust people just because of the fact that there are so many bad guys out there. There just are a lot of bad guys. And we really have to be cautious who we talk to and what we get involved in because their intentions are bad. And they will use our good nature in order to basically to set us up and against us. And, and, uh, I, I'm just, I'm just kind of shocked. The more I hear about the story, the worse, the worse it gets, you know? And, uh, I'm, I'm just, I'm just out of words right now. I really am out of words. I'm, I'm so glad that you came on today. So Bill and Mike, do you guys have anything to say? Um, well, I was told by certain people not to mention it, but, uh, I am planning on running for governor in twenty twenty six. A lot of people have already heard about it. I have all the paperwork. I just haven't filed it yet. I'm a little nervous about, you know, taking that step until I have everything in order because I don't need Nestle like kicking my door in again for some finance fraud or whatever for the for the campaign. So I This whole thing has been surreal. And all these guys that are in jail right now, you know, they don't have a voice. They, you know, the Department of Corrections, Whitmer is the over saying person for it. She sent the three guys from Jackson to federal prison right after we got acquitted. I mean, everything about this case is corrupt. Yeah, that's right. Those guys should not have been moved. And it ended up coming out that the person who moved them claimed it was for their own safety, that this person was like three positions removed from Whitmer, because Whitmer is actually head of the MDOC, the Michigan Department of Corrections. So he's talking about Joe Morrison, Pete Musico, and Paul Beller. They were not charged at the federal level. They were charged at the state level, like the Nalls were, for providing material support felony firearm and gang affiliation they said the wolverine watchmen were a gang even though to be a gang you have to be involved in a criminal enterprise for profit none of these guys were they just decided that if five or more people get together and have similar as this is what they said similar goals ideas and values they can be considered a gang and so that gives them the ability to give you gang enhancements on your sentencing Then they add terrorism enhancements on the sentencing. So these guys who were convicted of quote unquote providing material support, yeah, they're in prison right now. They could be in there until twenty sixty three, a very long time. They could be in there for as many as forty years. Now they're likely to get out sooner. But like I said, Whitmer is head of the MDOC. So they move those guys on the eve of their appeals to. to federal prisons across the country. They sent Pete to West Virginia. They sent Paul to Pennsylvania. They sent Joe to Pekin, Illinois. And this was done on purpose to make it harder for them to file their appeals, to make it difficult for their court-appointed public pretenders to get in contact with them. which none of those lawyers fought to get those guys brought back until I started publicly really talking about, hey, we've got these guys in federal prison that were never even charged at the federal level. Why are they in federal BOP custody across the country? Why were they taken from Michigan where their families can't visit them? Oh, now all of a sudden we're going to have a hearing on it and bring them back to Michigan. So they did. They brought him back to Jackson County and then they sent them. They shipped them off to separate prisons again in Michigan. So now we've got Joe at Bellamy Creek. We've got Paul somewhere else. We have Pete somewhere else. And they're on level four security. So Pete Musico is unable to talk to anybody except pretty much his wife. They've prevented him from talking to me. And Paul and Joe now are very, it's very difficult to communicate with them. They say, because they were quote in a gang that they are not allowed to use the email system, which they were able to use. I shit you not when they were in federal prison, I could communicate with them over core links. Now I can't, they can't reply to emails, but they can receive them. And then their phone calls are limited and, The Michigan Gestapo at work here, it sounds like. What did Jim Jordan do when you notified him? Nothing. Nothing. Well, I don't know. What a shame. I mean, the whole thing just leaves me with so many questions. I can't even articulate them right now. I'd love to have you back on again. and talk some more. I think that there's a lot more that we could talk about here. Would you come back? This was just scratching the surface. I didn't even get into all of the details because I didn't know how much time I had. There's a lot more. I didn't even get into the five thousand dollar credit cards or any of the other things that the FBI was pushing. I can literally read some of the statements these informants were making at these meetings. And if you hear it yourself, it's shocking. It's wild. And I would like to add, though, that right now we have five men in prison. We have two at Supermax prison. We have three that are in state prisons in Michigan. And Adam and Barry just lost their federal appeal at the Sixth Circuit. They were appealing to the Sixth Circuit. The Sixth Circuit was a three judge panel. And they denied their appeals, upheld their convictions. So right now, Adam and Barry basically need a pardon from President Trump, from the Trump administration, because these men are innocent. They've been sabotaged. They could not introduce any of their evidence. We didn't even get into what happened during all of these trials and how the FBI rigged them from start to finish, prevented them from introducing the evidence that was exculpatory in nature that showed their innocence. let the government run the entire thing. The FBI ran these trials, okay? They picked the jury. They literally picked the jury. They picked the jury pool. They picked Democrat areas to send out the jury so they know exactly how to rig the system in their favor. That's what they do. And it's shameful. And because they couldn't get everything into the record when appealing, you can only appeal based on what's on the record. So all of the evidence that didn't get in there, they don't get to consider. And these judges actually admitted that, yes, the trial court did error in not allowing these statements made by informants to be played for the jury. But we're gonna say it was a harmless error. Harmless? Lives were destroyed. Innocent people are in prison. You people are scum at the Sixth Circuit. These judges are rogue. They are disgusting. And really, what it comes down to is protecting the appearance of impartiality in the Justice Department, not calling into question the fact that the Department of Justice was in collusion with the FBI. Obviously, the FBI is a component of the DOJ to frame these guys. prosecutors as well. And most of these judges are what? Former federal prosecutors. They don't like the system being exposed because if this case is truly exposed, if these men were let off on appeal, it would reveal the rampant criminality within the so-called justice system in America. And they're all agents of that system, including I would argue, the court appointed lawyers who are also members of the Bar Association and they rely on the so-called legitimacy of the legal system, which I worked in and I know how corrupt it is. So we have these men in prison, the three state men. So the federal guys, they just lost their appeal at the Sixth Circuit. They can only appeal. They can try to do an en banc review or they have to go to the United States Supreme Court, which if you think you're going to take it, they're going to take up this case. Yeah, right. They're not going to touch it. And then the state guys, they're trying to appeal. They can only appeal all the way up to the Michigan Supreme Court. Well, who appointed half of those judges? Whitmer. Yes. Now, I've got another question because I did talk to a third to half of the of the sheriffs in the state of Michigan. And one of my questions was, why didn't you arrest Gretchen Whitmer? Because they have the constitutional authority to arrest someone. who violated her oath of office and attacked the people of the state of Michigan. And you know what? The answers I got back were who was going to prosecute it. It comes down to the prosecutors that are ruining the state. And then the Soros rogue judges too. I mean, the whole system is literally crap from top to bottom with people who are, have infiltrated this for personal gain or they're being blackmailed. or they're being controlled by outside sources. And I'm sorry, I'm going to stick with that. It's kind of a crazy thing. But you want to know what? I just want to give everybody, before we leave here for the day, some hope that I think as we expose more and more of this stuff that's going on, we have to make some very critical decisions on... on what we're seeing and not believe everything that we're told. And that means in any direction. We have to have the proof. We have to have the receipts. We have to be able to see what's really going on behind the scenes and not take things at face value. Whether the news media, the mainstream media, the alt media tells you something, you have to check it out. You've got to have a thorough investigation of things. and find out who the real players are, because they're gonna demonize anybody that speaks out against them, no matter that the institutional establishment pieces of crap that are in there right now. And it's going to be very important going forward because I think more and more of this stuff is going to come out. And they are attacking, as Chris said earlier today, they're going after the average everyday person who dares to stand up and challenge them. That's why all these guys were targeted, because they dared to stand up to the BLM rioters, to Whitmer and her lockdowns. They dared to attend protests, to go to rallies. They dared to talk about it online. And they had the nerve to do what everybody should be doing, which was to get together with people in your community and talk about what's happening, what you could do to do training to make sure that you're prepared. These men are the men who would have if BLM came to your town and was going to burn down your city, maybe burn down your store. They were the guys that were going to stand in the way of that. And that's why they had to get rid of them. That's why. Because they want people to be victimized. And if these guys were going to protect their communities, well, that's a threat to them. We've got to get rid of them. And I should add, I didn't mention it during this time, but undercover agent Red that posed as the explosives expert, yeah, he was also at the same time infiltrated the Denver BLM movement and was trying to get a BLM activist to do a plan to assassinate the Attorney General of Colorado. At the same time, they're so they're playing both sides. They have informants and BLM and Antifa as well. And they're doing the same kinds of steering them towards radical activity. So then they can pit these two sides against each other, just like they have their informants and the so-called patriot groups and then get them to fight. So then the FBI can come in and shut it all down. That's really and it's to destabilize this country. It's all part of their disgusting agenda to justify their continued existence. And I think the FBI needs to be shut down. We don't need a domestic KGB. It has become an intelligence agency that is armed. Yeah. And focused on the American people. I've got some big problems with everything I'm seeing out there. There's so much of this that needs to be just absolutely abolished. Because it's against the law. The law states, the Second Amendment is the right to bear arms shall be necessary. It's necessary. And those that are after the gun grabs, the red flag laws, all that sort of thing, they are literally the terrorists and traitors on American soil right now. Um, and I think that we have to adjust the way that we're looking at things, but also I want to, I want to bring some peace to the conversation here too. The law is on our side. The problem is, is that we don't know the law. And so if we go back to the constitution and we learn the, the best, the best, uh, uh, defense we have against these traders is actually the law itself. It condemns them where they stand. We just need to know how to use that and to honestly take our country back from these communists that have literally infiltrated everything and use the law against them in order to put them in check. And it's actually easier than what people think it is. And this is the... path that I've been going on but also with this story here I think the lesson that uh that everybody needs to remember is you don't know who you're talking to online you do not know the people that they're sending to you to set you up the j-six was absolutely a fedsurrection and set up And when you listen to what happened between the Capitol Police and all the other nonsense there, it was a setup. But that's not the only one. There's so many examples of this, of our own government being the problem and attacking its own people. in order to further their agenda. Well, I'd like to have you guys back on next Monday, if you would give up the time to do that again, because I do think that this is a good thing for people to know and hear the documentation you've done on this. And probably there's some more things that we could get into, because when you look at the tactics of the FBI, as well as the order of nine angles, seven, six, four, and that sort of thing. I believe every single one of them is backed by a very evil agenda. And it's the agenda to get to incite. They're trying to incite a kinetic war here because these people are so evil. They would love nothing more to see us take up arms against our own people and create a problem. Yes. Okay. So when we go into this, it's like we can look at what the law says and the rights that we have. We do have the right. But realize they're going to use those things against us in ways that we've got to outsmart them. Okay. And I really think that that's something that we need to focus on. We do not want to have an armed conflict here. That is the last thing we need. I think that all of us, anybody carrying firearms should have absolutely professional training. You should never carry a firearm unless you are well trained. And I mean, this is by professional people that can teach you how to use your firearm so that you don't do something that is unwittingly a problem, you know? So I really think this is important to highlight here. My question to the FBI out there is why in the hell are you letting all of these people cross the borders that are cartel members? And you go after American citizens, but yet you're a bunch of, I'm gonna just say it, dumb shits out there when it comes to the real threats to the nation. Yeah, and why are you manufacturing fake plots? Why did you instigate this entire thing for a political stunt in the October surprise? That's election interference, by the way. So they need to answer. If they're so good at this, why is the human trafficking thing going on? If they're good at surveillance. Why is the invasion of our nation from not just the southern border, but the northern border, where they're bringing firearms into this country and fentanyl? If they're that great at their jobs, why is this rampant on the United States? Why? Because they're complicit. They're all of them complicit. And they're complicit with the government, which has violated their oath of office and literally broken the highest law on the land. I'm so disgusted with these people. I can't even tell you how disgusted I am with the FBI's lies. and the Department of Injustice, lack of justice. And I'm sorry, they can virtue signal us all they want, but all you have to do is look at the fentanyl invasion, The fact that we know we have people down at the border that says that basically when they come across the border with cocaine, we literally will ship it back. The agents there will ship it back over the border to be resold again and do a, I don't know, it's a one percent to ninety nine percent ratio of flour to cocaine and pretend that they're destroying it. We've got enough evidence of this. There's so many people that have been talking about this. It's not even funny. But yet again, We have this in front of an election and I'm sorry, most of the stuff can be tracked back to creating disturbances before the elections. So this is incredibly interesting to me and I'm giving none of them a pass out there. It's a problem. The criminal element is in our own government. Yeah, and the Republican side as well, who refused to look into this case, who won't touch it because they also don't want to run afoul of the FBI. They continue to give the FBI bloated budgets. They continue to focus on nonsense issues like the Twitter files or whatever. We all knew what Jack Dorsey was doing. We all knew they were coordinating with the government. Sure, it's nice to have documentation to prove it, but Why didn't the weaponization committee have a hearing on this case? If you want to expose government weaponization, there wasn't a bigger example than this in January six. And there is a connection between the Whitmer case in January six, which I didn't get into this time, but we're going to save that next week. Okay. And then I want to get into the satanic cults and how they work with it to in fact, um, incite, uh, Evil, evil actions by people. And this whole thing, most of the stuff in the United States is absolutely coming through funded activities through our own government to create a disturbance within our nation. They're not agents of peace whatsoever. They're criminals. And if I just, I just would love to get into a debate on one of them. If you're so good at your job, how come we have a fentanyl invasion in our, in our nation? Why is it? Why is it that you can't stop that or the child trafficking because you bastards are in on it. And so, you know, it's like, I'm sorry, they're in on it and it's just time to call it out for what it is. Why is it that we're not going after every one of these people for the violation of their oath of office? That's a legal move that anyone can take. And it's for real. And you can make this stick. You know, I'm sorry, but they need to be charged for the crimes in a lawful manner. They need to be charged for the crimes that they've committed. And I think that this is a doable thing. I really do. We've got the law on our side. Stick with the law and a legal lawful protocol. And then nobody gets hurt. Only people get to be held accountable. Well, let's say a prayer a minute and then we'll plan on next Monday at ten. Okay. This is really fun. I think you're wonderful, Christina. And I really like your gutsiness of naming names because I kind of do the same thing. You kind of have to name names and tell people what's going on. And you've got to be able to walk into situations. that a lot of people aren't willing to walk into to find out who's who in the zoo. Yeah, it's true. It's what I did this past weekend actually. And it's what I did confronting Adam shift. The whole state was like losing their mind. Oh, she's in on him. No, I sprinted to get those pictures across the Senate building. It was a sprint, not a graceful sprint. I'm six years old, but the sprint happened regardless. So I wouldn't have missed that for, for anything. So, um, and there's more that have to be exposed, um, a lot more in a lot of tough decisions and a lot of tough discussions to be had. Um, I, and I guess that's where I'm going to leave it. So let's say a prayer minute and then we'll come back next week. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so much for Christina and Bill and Mike and, um, and Chris. and Vicki, who were on earlier, and all the brave people that are willing to tell the truth and bring things forward, even with the threat of being set up by these people who have no good intention for this nation. There is no good intention that a lot of these people have. It's going to come down to we the people and whether we're going to stand together in a lawful manner In order to restore the rule of law. You are a God of laws and of laws. of order, not chaos. When we see this kind of chaos and this kind of nonsense that happens, we know that you're not behind it, but that we know that you're guiding us and leading us away from the lawlessness and the lies that we've been living with for so long. And we thank you for this so very much. I ask that you would give your favor upon Christina, Bill, and Mike, that you would equip them with the truth that they would honestly serve you in everything that they do, that their service would be not for personal vendettas, not for, which we all have the right to be a little angry about this, but to serve this nation and people who have been led astray, who have been set up, who have been abandoned and neglected by our own government, who have been taken captive, who have been having to pay these unlawful taxes under extortion, threat, and subversion. We ask for your truth to come forward, and we know that you will lead us down the path. We're not asking for an easy path, but we're asking for you to give us the strength by your Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, to walk the path that we have in front of us. Thank you so much for everything you've done for us. We want to be a friend to you. In the name of Jesus, we pray. Amen. So there you go, boys and girls. So we're going to go to how I always end the show. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Go to brandenburgforgovernor.com because I'm the best non-conceiter who has ever not conceded in the history of the United States of America. This is my twenty twenty two protest. And it's going to continue. OK, this is going to continue. They poke the wrong bear here. This bear is not going away. until we find answers, not only for the cheating that went on in twenty twenty, but twenty twenty two. And there was some cheating going on in twenty four, too. We're going to have to write this stuff and we're going to have to put it back in to the constitutional protocol. That is the only way. And the parties right now. They're a threat to the United States of America. That's all there is to it. They are loaded with liars, cheats, and thieves. They have taken foreign money. We cannot go forward until we address these situations. And that's what I have to say about this. We're doing it together. And I thank you all for coming on here. And with that said, God bless you all. God bless all those whom you love. And God bless America. Go out and make it a great day. There's all sorts of things that you can do on a daily basis to serve God and serve his world here. Remember, the battle is God's. The battle is the Lord's. And we need to really think about what we're doing. and how we're going to do things going forward. It has to be lawful. If it's not, it turns into absolute chaos. And once that happens, the fighting will never stop. And we don't want this on our land. We want our land to be lawful, legal, and adhere to what the founding fathers, the framers had envisioned, for this nation. We do not want a civil war. No way, shape, or form. And so, but anyhow, have a great day. I'll be back on tomorrow with John Tater, and I'm not sure who else is going to be on tomorrow, but everybody here will be back Monday, and we'll be talking to you later. Stay on the line, guys. Okay.