Published July 17, 2025, 9 a.m.
9am CPS Kidnapping - Jody Michalek CPS took away Jody's Child and there was no proof and no recourse -The abusive relationship with my, now, ex-husband and how manipulative and twisting the abuser can be before and after divorce. -Abuse after divorce-by my ex and the court system. How the abusive and controlling behavior that I experienced, shows up in courts/judges (politicians/government connections as well), but just on different scales. I went from a personal victim of D. V. to a victim of a court system and their used affiliates; from which I am now healing from that trauma and abuse and I am taking my power back. -Abuser’s Don’t have a Special Look! They come in various classes etc.. -Children are used as pawns and caught in twisted games by abusive parents and the court systems, CPS, police, and etc. -The system’s, web of corruption, where everyone has connections, is named “To Help” but they have not been helpful nor have they any intention of helping the victims of abuse. Some that work within these facilities may care but sadly, they often have no control over getting help. -Detective/police, CPS, Care House, Attorney’s, Judge, Referee, court working-GAL., therapist, psychologist, and politicians. -The Family Court’s use of corrupted “professionals” for their dirty work to sway things in a way they want the story-line to go, so that it’s profitable for them or those who dictate to and support them. -The Attorneys and court system are taking away our voice...the voices of these children! Where is the ability to have a Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? Children are the future and the system is messing with them! Where are the children’s God-given unalienable rights? -To Stand up for our rights is Not the job of someone else, they do not care!, it’s ours. It is Our Job and responsibility to enact-acquire or “Make Change! We need to unite-take our power back, bring awareness, stand together through ousting corruption, and bringing accountability! -Making others aware of corruption in my Family Court case and other cases, as well. People cannot act on what they are not aware of! -Red flags with sex and human trafficking- why is it not the same for D. V. situations within the court system. Within Family Court, why are these child-trafficking cases of abuse being treated any different than in civil cases? X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1ZkKzYXlmXexv Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/636616148890812/videos/1372026514098635 Rumble: https://rumble.com/v6wap26-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-7172025-cps-kidnapping-jody-michalek.html https://rumble.com/v6waoxw-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-7172025-cps-kidnapping-jody-michalek.html Odysee: https://odysee.com/@BrandenburgNewsNetwork:d/bnn-2025-07-17-cps-kidnapping-jody-michalek:7 BNN Live: https://Live.BrandenburgNewsNetwork.com Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Jody Michalek
Good morning. Welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it's the seventeenth day. Favorite number of July twenty twenty five. Welcome to our show today. Today I have on Jody Mahalik and I'm really looking forward to this because we've talked about the problems that we have across this nation. with the scourge of human trafficking. It is pretty evident to me that one of the greatest risks or problems we have is the institutionalized human trafficking that's going on in the United States. More and more information is coming out on how they're doing it, how the organizations and the entities within our nation are working. And quite honestly, it's looking like an organized crime syndicate more and more every day. So we're going to get right at this. morning jody how you doing good morning donna thank you for having me I I'm I'm glad you're here and uh you know most people when they come on the show the first time they're they're pretty nervous about being here and I I understand that it's a it's a new thing and such but this is such a a sensitive subject and so close to your heart that I'm sure that everybody can, their hearts are going to really reach out to you over this. And it's a very forgiving and loving audience. So you've got a lot of friends out there that probably want to hear this story because this is just, it's just systemic corruption. And I don't know if people understand how broad this problem is with cps honestly being probably one of the largest child trafficking organizations certainly in north america but possibly in the world where um I've heard statistics that they're it really they make like a million dollars per child that they remove from good families homes and they pit people against each other And it's, it's painful. So I really just, I'm really looking forward to hearing your story again. We heard it at the constitution party meeting the last time that's where I met you. And I was really touched and outraged at what happened to you and your family. Well, thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak from everything that I have been through and the people that have been around me when I've told my story to people that knew me well, some my whole life, and then some that have seen me with my daughter when my daughter was still with me. They've been blown away by the stories that I tell them. And at first, they just thought that it was just me and just this judge that I have. And they didn't understand why someone would act the way that they did. But then I've been able to make people aware because of my situation, I've become aware of many other cases, not just in the county that I'm dealing much with, which is Macomb County. But in every state of the United States, there are cases very similar to mine. And people are just like their jaws drop. They can't believe what's going on. Well, I want to show you some statistics here that I pulled up. And I thought this was really interesting because the first set of statistics is the statistics from the US Department of Health and Human Services. as well as Child Protective Services itself. So these are their numbers, which we've got to assume are completely false. You don't take numbers from the organizations. Child Protective Services say that there's twenty thousand children that go missing every year. I cannot. That is so low compared to everything else I've seen. Unbelievable. They're also saying that the state agencies failed to report an estimate of thirty four thousand eight hundred cases of foster care cases. cases across forty six states. In Georgia alone, it says eighteen hundred children went missing from the state between eighteen and twenty two, with twenty percent being suspected of trafficking nine hundred seventy eight missing foster care. Now, when we get past the state, you know, basically, you know, telling their statistics and go to the FBI, which I don't think anybody's telling the truth. I think it's much higher than what anybody's saying. But now the FBI conflicts what they're telling that they've lost and said that four hundred and twenty one thousand children went missing. They have entries for in two thousand nineteen alone. in one year. Now, I have heard that the numbers are more like about eight hundred thousand to a million kids a year. According to the American Public Health Association, thirty seven point four of all children. I think this is over a third of the children in the United States will experience a CPS investigation by eighteen. A third of the children in the United States are being investigated for something by CPS and roughly twenty seven point seven million children based on that data. This is unbelievable. I'm just I can't I can't even put my arms around this. So let's talk about what happened with you and what you know, what you've experienced. Yes. I want to start with just a little disclaimer or whatever. I just want to say that everything I'm saying is my opinion and based on my own experience and my current understanding of information that I've come across. And it's not meant to harm any legitimate person or entity. Your First Amendment rights are to say, to be able to talk about things that happen to you. You have the right to talk about things. from your perspective. Absolutely. Yes. And that's part of, you know, people that, because I can speak from experience, I've been through domestic violence and then issues with the court that are very similar to my abuser's behavior. And so, the whole tactics that are a lot of the tactics that they use is to silence their victims and then to make them look crazy so that if they do speak out, the people think that it's just retaliation against someone they don't like or things of that matter. So I guess I'm kind of used to like having to protect myself from people always trying to belittle me, make me feel bad for speaking up about the truth of what's going on in my situation. Yeah. And quite often people who are the victimizers, they're really, really good at manipulating the people around them and getting them to attack their victim with them and making that person either look like a liar or like they're crazy. Yes. That's, that's really super common. It's like, it's like, you can see it when they play mean girl in high school, that sort of thing. Yes. Right. For a lot of people, like they don't understand why abused women don't leave or abused men or whoever, like they don't leave their perpetrator if it's a romantic relationship or significant other why they don't leave but they don't understand the brainwashing the manipulating the um the threats and how people are afraid out of um kind of like politics and everything else their scare tactics they use to make people afraid so a lot of times the abusers will use force um They will raise their voice. They will scream. They will yell. They will threaten. They will, I mean, I've seen break things, punch holes in things, hurt an individual. And then when they get them scared enough to a point, they don't have to do the more violent things. They just have to use their words. And the psychology that they use, the brain just automatically responds to everything in a fight or flight manner. pattern because that's, that's how our bodies are designed to function. This is odd. There's something going wrong with it, with the, this, this is, there's something very wrong with the stream right now. And I don't know, that's what I'm missing. Hang on a minute. Let me see why we are not getting the rumble. Let me see if we can, I think I've got a problem. Oh yeah, I've got a problem here. Let's hang on just a second. I'm going to add my, I have to add, uh, I knew there was something wrong when I set this up. You guys got to forgive me a minute. I'm going to go ahead and re-up this just a minute. And I knew I did something wrong this morning, so we're going to start this thing over again. We're just going to keep going, but I'm going to add the rumble channels, which for some reason didn't fire off this morning. You know, this is just the way it goes sometimes. Give me a little grace here a minute. If you'd like to start with your story, that would be fantastic. You can just start. Yeah. I was in an abusive relationship. I married a person and then found out after marriage and then after we had a child together, our daughter was born, things got worse and worse. I filed for divorce thinking that somehow in doing that, that in leaving the perpetrator, I actually didn't leave for myself at first. I left for my daughter because I was afraid that if she saw me putting up with things or the way that her father was treating me, that she would think it was okay for someone to treat her that way. And that was my extreme fear. That was really the major reason why I left. But I was also to the point where I had been destroyed mentally, emotionally, and physically to the point where I just, I wasn't myself. I almost couldn't function anymore. It was that bad. And so thinking that and getting away, I knew I couldn't get away from complete abuse because we shared a child together. And so I went to the court system looking for help to just alleviate where I didn't have to be in that situation. And our daughter didn't have to be in that situation every single day of our lives. And I had no idea what I was in store for. Um, it was, it was worse than I had imagined, um, the abuse even of my perpetrator. Um, and then when I left and go back and when I left, um, the abusive situation, our daughter was starting to be used as a pawn and that got extremely worse. Um, once divorce papers were filed and then once she began to get older and older, because I left when she was nine months old, um, And before I left, there was a DV incident where the neighbors had called police because I screamed in the middle of the night because I was trying to leave the house without getting harmed and someone had taken my phone. So that was very traumatic situation. Still talking about it to this day. I have to be careful how much I talk about because I get very emotional. one thing people don't realize, I'm just going to stop where I was going for just a minute. If you don't mind to just explain to people. No, you have all the time to take your pauses and talk about this in whatever manner you need to. I mean, we got all kinds of time. I mean, this is, this is horrible. I mean, they took your daughter away and you still do not have really any rights at this point in time. I can't imagine the pain. Yes. And it's just when people go through extreme abuse, it's a fight or flight thing. But when they talk about their situation, often people don't realize it's not like when you go on vacation and you have an experience that's wonderful. And then twenty years later, you're talking about it and you kind of remember it. Or you have, you know, after you're close to your grandparents and when your grandparents die and then you talk about the memories you had from smells or whatever else, things come back. It's when someone's gone through extreme abuse, um, mentally, emotionally, or physically, or any other way, um, they don't just tell their story. They don't just remember it. Unfortunately, um, out of experience people, like I tried telling my mom over and over and she just didn't get it until she talked to multiple other people that have gone through the same thing. And it all of a sudden clicked for her. I mean, my mom loves me, but she didn't understand because she didn't go through what I went through. And, um, when we tell our story, we don't just remember from memory. It literally, we relive the whole thing. It's like being there in the room with the feelings, the emotions, the heightened senses of the trauma. It's all there all over again. And I mean, the more emotional and mental work someone can do on themselves and spiritual work, it helps alleviate that. But it's still like a reliving. So to testify in court or other places like people don't realize how the abused person's body responds. It will freeze up. Like sometimes I just couldn't even talk in court. I would want to and I would want to say things, but I couldn't speak. Like I was so fearful because my abuser was in the courtroom and then because the court began to abuse me throughout our process as well. And so, I mean, I just want people to be aware. I don't think people realize how dramatically like they think, oh, well, that person's just not talking or they're not defending themselves or they should do more. Like they don't understand what the abuser goes through or the, excuse me, the victim goes through and how traumatized they are. And that often these courts make these children or abuse partner be in the same courtroom as their abuser. And there's an extreme fear there. It's almost like, like I was saying with the government, how they use a cage theory without having a cage. So someone feels like they're stuck in a cage with bars, but it's the mental and emotional abuse that has got them to feel like that. And quite frankly, all of us in society have gone under that same um, fallen under that same category, not realizing it, but the government has done that even like with COVID or other things, like they cause people to be afraid and people respond out of fear instead of using their mind to realize what's really going on and they feel trapped and they're not trapped and they feel trapped though. And so it's kind of like the same scenario, but in my situation, when I finally got away, my ex began to use our daughter as a pawn and, um, weaponized her. So instead of thinking now, because I was free at first, he tried to manipulate me even after the divorce and try to get me to do things that he wanted and respond. And I had to work through that at first I did out of just automatic reaction. And then I had to learn to stand up for myself and put away the PTSD and fear and work on things. But as I did that, he began to use our daughter. to hurt me because he could no longer control me because I wasn't there on a day-to-day basis. He could use our daughter as a tool to manipulate and control the situation. How did he do that? I'm curious. Right. It would be through different avenues. So some of them were through even the pediatrician. It started even before I left, unfortunately. And it got worse as we went on. So our daughter had allergy or other things she had a dairy allergy and he would give her stuff that she was allergic to she would have a reaction and then he would make appointments for her and not notify me of the appointments and then talk to the pediatrician and leave a paper trail of making things look a certain way that were not true so for instance um so he would take her to the pediatricians not tell me about the appointment I would find about it out about it later not all of them but some of them find about it later. And then I would read the notes of the pediatrician and he would state things that our daughter told him, supposedly, that were not true. And the reason why I knew they were not true, because some of them were against me that I knew point blank, they were not true. And the other things that he said, she said, were, you know, why does mom say this? Or, why does blah, blah, blah. He was talking about things that maybe I had said or done or that I had abused her. And it was never something that our daughter said. It was always notes he wanted the pediatrician to put in there so that he had a paper trail of making me look a certain way, even without any evidence or proof of anything, because there was none. Shortly after I just left, he had made an appointment when we had split our daughter still at nine months old, the court had us split and our divorce was not finalized. And he actually made an appointment, pediatrician appointment for her while she was in his care on my parenting time to restrict, kind of make it difficult on me. And I had to drive almost an hour to the pediatricians one way. Um, so he was trying to disrupt my parenting time with her, not his, but he was sending me text messages saying that, um, That this was that I needed to take her to this appointment, that it was very important that she was sick and needed to see a doctor. And if I didn't, then I wasn't caring for our child. And I was being like, you can totally control your life and make you jump through these hoops by all just completely nefarious means. He was definitely setting you up. Oh yes. And, and what it was when a couple days, I don't know if it was a day or two later that we actually had the exchange, he was giving her to me. He threatened me at the exchange and asked, well, are you going to take her to this doctor's appointment? Now, when she was with me, just that we exchanged a couple of days, she only was with one of us a couple of days and then we changed. So it wasn't like a whole week or anything. And so I knew that she wasn't sick when, when she was with me. So I didn't know what she was like. And so at the exchange, he said, well, are you taking her? Let me know to that appointment. Cause if you're not, cause I said it didn't work for me and he was getting upset and making me look like I was going to be a terrible mom and take it to court. And so I, um, had to put on my thinking cap right away. And I realized I had to deal with this situation very cautiously. And I pretty much just said, well, I don't know what she's like. I'll determine that when I have her in my care and see what she's like. And if I feel she needs to be seen, then we'll deal with that. Um, and he said, if he didn't hear with me from me within an hour that he was going to call his attorney and they were going to start, you know, some type of issue and create something. Well, when she was with me, there was nothing wrong with her. No temperature, no anything that I could see. But in order to nip this in the bud, I took her to urgent care. Urgent care looked her over. They wanted to know why she was even there. I had to explain to them that her dad said she was sick. I just wanted notes saying if there was anything there or not. They thoroughly checked her lungs, her eyes, her nose, her temperature, everything. And I had the did doctor write a note for me of what he found? And he said that she was a happy, healthy, ten-month-old baby. There was nothing wrong with her. He had checked everything. And so when I sent that to my ex through text messages, then all of a sudden it quieted down everything. But it didn't stop there. It got worse and worse and worse as time went on. But that's how those people function is because they're upset that someone left and they can no longer control and manipulate them. They can use, if they have a child, they will use the child or their friends or family or whoever they can convince to turn against them or use them against them in a certain way, like creating a scenario that's not really true. And people aren't really good at spotting or having intuition on who's actually telling the truth or not. This is something that always boggles my mind is that whoever they're talking to at that moment, they think is telling the truth. This is a skill that very few people have as being able to talk to people, hear what's actually being said, look at it as an observer because you're only getting one side of the story, no matter who you're talking to. And trying to find out what are the details? Is there anything to this? But there always has to be a pause because this is what's happening in our government too. People believe whoever they're standing next to at the time, all of a sudden they get into that stupid herd mentality that, I might add, I had a situation with this morning because I have horses. And all of a sudden, whoever they're standing next to is their best friend. And they're listening to them because they're present. And that person is chirping in their ears. I've had the privilege of having two... psychopathic people next to me during my life and watched how they manipulated people around them. I'm one of these people that just, if I see that kind of crap, I caught it immediately. I caught that out because they, they have the ability to lie. They're pathological liars and they can lie so fast and without a backwards glance, they will lie and they, enjoy hurting people around them. You can't rehabilitate somebody who has that psychopathic personality. I don't care who anybody thinks they are. This is a hardwired mental illness. There's so much research on this. I've done quite a bit on this because I had to learn how to deal with people that are absolutely psychopaths. who enjoy hurting other people. And they like to run each other. They like to run people around like a truck. That is their fun is to manipulate people and run them around for power. And it's for power. That's all it is. It's for power. And they're sadistic as hell. They'll do things that... If you've never really been around an absolutely high level psychopath, like Hannibal type person who has no ability to love, it is a very difficult thing to come to terms with and be able to walk away from that in a healthy mindset. but it's possible. It is possible. I did it. And, uh, and so like, I'm not just talking out of no experience on this. Um, but it is very painful until you're able to cut those emotional ties and learn how to deal with people like that and put them in check. And when there's another person like a child involved in it, now you've really got a problem. and it's not just putting the people in check and dealing with it personally but it's then those people they call it not just gaslighting but they call them flying monkeys then they create the scenario where everybody believes them and targets you as if you're the abuser and that's how it's worked with um when my ex enrolled our daughter in a school without even telling me that's when before she was even taken from me and we had fifty fifty custody and he wasn't supposed to do that and he did it anyways I had to go through hoops to get her records because I set up something to get her records. And then they called him because he already started sending out information like I was crazy, like I was dangerous. And these people were afraid. So they called him. You froze up a minute. I'm going to guess you got a call or something in there. Keep going. You got your computer froze up for a minute. Okay, go ahead. Let's try again. Okay. so when I went to go pick up her records I was on my way to pick up her documents and they had called him I didn't know they'd called him and he threatened them and made them afraid and so they wouldn't let me come pick up my daughter's records of being at the school which if anyone knows their rights you have a right to your child's records even if you didn't have to see which I still did at that time um we had shared custody but he was still not allowing me to because he was he was not allowing me to to um exercise my rights as a parent because he was making these people afraid and thinking I was dangerous. Um, this type of behavior has happened, like I said, with the pediatrician, um, our daughter's school when she was younger and then the school now, even, um, it's happened with almost anyone that we've had to deal with therapy wise or anything else. Like everyone, if he gets to them and my ex, by the way, is a, um, is a professional in his business. So he's, You know, I mean, abusers don't have a look. They come in various classes and abusers are not drunken bums that it's blah, blah, blah. I mean, some, yes. But the majority of abusers don't look like that. They don't have a look. They're well-dressed businessmen, politicians, other people. Some of the top abusers, unfortunately, look like that. And people don't realize. My ex, his type of business was more like a salesperson type of business. And he could sell people their own garbage back to them. And so he was very good at convincing people of things. Oh, your feed is cutting in and out. This is crazy. We're definitely having some technical problems this morning. I can tell you that. I can see it on not just your side because you freeze up every once in a while. Let's see if you can... It says your microphone is not connected right now. There you go. Somebody doesn't want this out there. We have that quite often when... there is a subject that those in power, the powers that be, do not want to have out there. You know what we're going to do is we'll see if she can get back on again. And if she can't, then we're going to try this again on another day. I had a feeling this was going to go this way this morning because this is such a sensitive subject. And let's see, Annabelle James said, Trauma bonding is when you're attached to a person who consistently betrays you in one way or another, yet you feel addicted to the abuser. Panic at the mere thought of leaving. One part of you wants to leave, another to stay. This inner conflict usually stems from the abuser's confusing behavior. Shifting from cruel to tender, you find yourself making excuses for their behaviors no matter how many times you get hurt. One of the reasons for trauma bonding is the attempt of resolving, let me see if I can bring this up here, is the attempt of resolving your, and I can't see the rest of the post here. But I think this is really, thank you, Annabelle. I really appreciate you putting this out here. We are definitely having some technical problems this morning. And I am not sure exactly why other than the fact that they don't want you talking. Yes. Can you hear me now? I can't. And you know what? The really sad thing is, you know what I think I'd like to do? I'd like to try to debug this and have you on again. Let's hit the high spots because not only that, you're going to feel way more comfortable the next time you come on. And it's going to be, oh, this wasn't so bad. You know, there's, you know, having Animal put something out there about trauma bonding. I read that. and about trauma bonding is when you're attached to a person who consistently betrays you in one way or another. While you're talking about this too, I think that being a child of someone who was a psychopath, I was, no ability to love whatsoever, and it was You know, it took me a long time to come to terms with it and how to frame it. And the really sad thing is that I have a brother who's never been able to deal with it. Never. And the trauma that goes along with this, where some of us, for some reason, are more resilient and others have to work a little harder at it. I don't know why that is. There's no judgment on anyone on how we all deal with things. Exactly. you know, but, but I think this is a great subject to talk about. Because, as you said, all of us through the political lies that have been out there have been through so much trauma over the past I'm going to say decades. I mean, that we knew something was wrong. We didn't know what it was. And we kept coming back to the things that hurt us. We keep going back to those things that hurt us, expecting that we're going to be able to fix them or make them better. And there's no answer for it. When somebody's evil or committed to evil or hurting other people or manipulating them, you're not going to change them. It's a, it's a, God can change them, but we can't argue our way or explain our way out of it. We can't do it. So sometimes you have to set those people off as you have. I'm sorry. I didn't catch what you just said. My computer was messing up. Yes. Technical problems, but the thing that I don't know if you heard in, did you hear any of it? Yes. I heard some of it. It was going in and out. Yeah, we have definitely some issues here because they don't want us to talk about, and I put it out there, CPS kidnapping. CPS as institutional kidnapping, just like CIA. I'm going to throw this out there. There's a lot of us that know what the hell is going on. We actually know what's going on, okay? A lot of us that are awake. It's just like the CIA has special forces down there in Mexico training the cartels. They've been doing this on our own soil. Our government is so evil. There's no words to put to this. CPS, all of these unconstitutional agencies need to be absolutely abolished. And the people involved in this charged with both treason and or sedition. Because of what they've done is an attack, an attack on the rights of other human beings and crimes against humanity. I mean, certainly they are absolutely guilty of crimes against humanity when they start doing stuff like the nonsense that's happened to you. And they're psychopaths. It's nobody's fault. I hope nobody feels guilt about it. This is absolutely pure evil. They are in... And controlled by evil. And unfortunately, really good people are victimized from it. Children. That's why they kill so many kids. They're sick. There's something wrong with them. And we give no quarter to them. But if you want to keep starting, I would like to reschedule you again for another day. And have you back on. That's not to say we need to stop now. I think we need to keep going. But whatever you want to talk about, get comfortable. And we'll do this again. We'll bring you back on again. And you can, we'll let you talk again. And this will just be the warm-up session. Okay? Yes. And I can try to just cover more of just my case of this. and then bring some other stuff in as well somehow. Let's do it twice. We can do it now and we can do it later. We really can. We can keep talking about this and maybe bringing in some more statistics on what CPS actually does and how these people are so brainwashed. I mean, we're in a global Marxist structure right now. And the people that we were told to trust, those are the ones exactly you shouldn't trust. So... twisting of the scenarios that's how abusers work and so whether they're in government or any other position they will twist the scenario always and often if you listen to what they're accusing others of it's what they're doing themselves and so it's the same with our government unfortunately where yes they want to pinpoint oh you know they actually they actually try to say that you know, domestic violence is terrible, that child trafficking is absolutely terrible, that all these drug lord stuff is terrible. And yet if for anyone that's involved in any of those things, they understand who's really behind it. And it's not what the government is telling us that it is. Actually, the people in these political positions are often some of the biggest people involved in these sort of schemes. If people realize what's really going on within our government, they would be shocked. They would be shocked. One of the first people that came to me, who is a representative now, said to me, when you get in, this is what's going to happen. They're going to take you into the basement of the Capitol and tell you how things are going to be. They end up, there's an easy way to go and a hard way to go. Either the people in politics will take the money and now they've got them and they are literally captured the rest of their lives. Or they set them up with something so that there's always a threat of going to jail or having someone they love killed. The coercion and the blackmail is unspeakable. So the people you have in office, there's a mix that are running these agencies or that are sitting in politics. If a good person steps forward and gets into politics, which is why I said I won by losing. Because I never bended, I never took the money, and I won't. And I just look at it and say, up your ever-living behind. You know, all you did was piss me off, and now I'll go after you in different ways. The interactions with CPS. I had an interaction. I have had two of them with CPS. And I understand what kind of what you've gone through here. Um, my methods are a little bit different because the second call was somebody that was, uh, asking me to be a witness to a situation. And I knew the situation very well. And I'm like, I'm glad you called me. In fact, thank you for so much for calling me. Cause I said, now you're on my time. And I hope that you throw me on the stand because I'm going to get you and every single person that's been involved in this because you're involved. When they threaten you, don't let them put you in a place of fear, no matter what it is in life. And thank God that I had a couple people who are pathological liars and psychopaths in my past because I knew what to look for. And how to deal with it. And quite honestly, somebody that's trying to threaten you like that, once you throw it in their face and you find that Achilles heel of what they're afraid of, watch them run like a rat. If they get loud around you, they're hoping that you go like this and you go into the corner and you're afraid. And you're afraid that people are going to think that things aren't perfect or that things aren't what we want them to be or project to the world. The best thing you can do is get loud. throw it in their face, throw them out in front of everyone. So now they have to deal with it because what they're counting on is that you're going to try to keep things stable so that they can keep, you know, they can keep beating on you, keep beating on you and that you will never say anything. And I get it. When I was a kid, I knew if I had said anything, nobody would have believed me and they didn't. And, you know, and it's like it's terrible. Your daughter is going to go through that trauma. I can guarantee you. And but the thing of it is, is that she'll get it figured out. And at some point in time, she is going to see you as the greatest human being on the planet because you were the one that actually was good and stood for good. She'll see through the manipulation. And that guy is going to have a handful when she gets older and stand on her own. She did at a young age understand what was going on. I called her my angel child because of that. I wouldn't ask her questions. I never talked bad about her father to her the whole time we were separated. And yet she would tell me things he was doing or things that I needed to know. She would just tell me out of the blue, like she knew I needed to know them. And then she would be reporting abuse. Like when he put her in school, she She told me about the teacher and all this stuff. Like that's how I found out was through her. And I wasn't asking her the question. She knew I needed to know. She knew it would run. And children will tell the truth if they're in a safe environment. They will tell the truth. Even if they're controlled and they know to shut up in certain situations, you know, they're in survival mode and they know it. But they're smart. They're smart. They know what's going on more than adults do most of the time. They do. And the problem with most of these situations where kids are involved is that people belittle kids and say that they're liars. I mean, we even had someone that worked for the court in our case who, because he worked for the court, they used him. He was corrupt, but he was a psychologist, not a fully licensed one. And that's one of the things that he first started out telling me when I first saw him was that, you know, he worked with kids and he knew kids and all kids were liars. Unfortunately, I don't think you stop to think about kids are humans. So are adults. And so kids are just the smaller, younger version of an adult. So if they're a liar at a children's age, you know, it's kind of like anything else. When you start in kindergarten, are you really good at something or just a little bit? And when you graduate, are you better or worse? It's the same thing. So if kids are liars when they're younger, think of what types of liars and manipulators they are as adults. And I mean, that was not a true statement, what he was saying. All kids are not liars, but adults use that to poo-poo or downplay um the voice of children and and they use the laws to enable them to have thug life to come in and if there's anything that's suspect they're going to go after the people in that situation and because what are they after they're not after keeping families together they're after grabbing those kids because they want the state to own those children they do it in school they do it in families they want to destroy the family because a good parent will always defend their children I mean that was proven I mean look in the bible with with um what happened with King Solomon. He had people figured out. And there's ways to figure people out on who's legit and who's not. Well, what they've done is they've put the law in place to give them the right and the path to harass and tear down good people so they can get their hands on those kids. And the country is working like a for-profit, all of the municipalities, the counties, the states, and the country, they're working as a for-profit entity. And guess what? They're making their money off of us. So if they can grab the kids, they get about a million dollars per kid. And if they can get their kids, their hands on it, not just to break the family apart, but to actually make it to disappear them, That's their cash crop right there. And shame on them. And, you know, may God bless you with every favor he could give you to right this situation. This is horrible. And Do you have a list of the people in CPS, their names? Let's throw them out there. They should be famous for what they're doing because people within our government do not have immunity as outlined in Ex Parte Young. They do not have immunity for bad behavior and for breaking the law. When you break the law and you work for the government, you have no immunity. People don't know that. You do. Yeah, I've had a long time to study this and to actually get my arms around what's actually happening here. You know, and unfortunately, what you're talking about right now is a subject because we're going to come back and keep talking about this. I think, you know, sometimes it's good to pause. A lot of times I'll interject things just to be like the color commentator at a football game. to give people a chance to pause when they start getting a little stressed and such and move the attention away just a minute so people have a chance to process things, right? But we're going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is our entire political. I watched two people melt down after I was told to lie this week to run for governor on the Republican Party and to lie to do it. You just have to lie for just a little bit to get in. This is a leader in the Republican Party, several leaders. They told me to lie just to get in because they've got lousy candidates. I know you're lousy candidates, no leadership, and you're all a bunch of liars because you told me to lie. They asked me to lie. I was so pissed I couldn't even text for a couple of days. Don't threaten me and don't ask me to lie because I don't do that, okay? And now you've got a target on your back because I know you're a liar. And not like grab your grunts and pitchforks, but there's going to be a legal implication for this sometime because I will catch them in another lie. And they're going to get have a whole can of whoop ass open on them. And it's like we have to know these processes, but the entire political landscape is under this trauma bonding stuff that Annabelle said. It's like they're like, we can't do it any other way. We've got to be on the Republican Party. We've got to be on the Democrat Party because they're so traumatized. They won't even see that the organizations they're aligned with are the criminals. They're the problem. And the only way to fix it, you're not going to fix it by jumping in the swamp with these people. You're going to get dirty. You try to play ball with CPS, and that goes for all these low-level sociology majors and people that have got a psychology degree. You've been trained by the best of the best psychopaths on the planet in our universities. And then they get out there because they've been brainwashed to look at the law and take any small infraction. We're going to take those kids away because we're going to protect these kids. It's like, no, you're not. You just destroyed the family, and you set them in the middle of one of the largest human trafficking organizations on the planet. You're part of the problem. You're like the Republicans in the Republican Party. We've got to do it for the Republican Party. No, you're not. You're a captured asset that's all kinds of trauma bonded, and when you talk to them long enough, they melt down. Absolutely. Whoa, we can't do it this way. You don't understand splitting a boat. You're a useful idiot. That's all you are when you do that. You know, when they do that. And that's the same thing with the people you're dealing with within CPS. At the lower level, at the high level, they're absolutely soulless, gutless, psychopath child traffickers. It sounds like your husband, your ex-husband was the same way if he was setting you up. That's a psychopath. That's psychopath behavior. Yes. And even before I left, he was telling me if we divorced because of his domestic abuse and other stuff that, you know, he would get fifty fifty. He told me how things were going to go. Like even in the relationship, I wasn't allowed to call our daughter my daughter. It was he could call her his daughter. Or I could call her our daughter. And even after I left, like I was afraid to tell people like I felt scared to say my daughter, like I had to say our daughter. And I had to relearn how to do that. So like you're saying, these people are functioning out of fear or what they've been brainwashed. It's an automatic response. And I mean, that's why I'm here to make people aware. It's like PTSD. You know, you're so traumatized that your body takes over the reaction. I understand that. And it's just really, you know, I'm hearing what you're saying and I understand what you're saying and it's wrong. And so for taking, for anybody out there jumping to conclusions before hearing the whole story, I'd love to have him on here. Oh man, that would be outstanding. I'd love to hear what he has to say because, you know, I've got a pretty well-tuned bullshit meter. And, you know, it's like if he, if, you know, if he's telling the truth on some issues, you know, the, you know, there's definitely questions that need to be asked. you know, and that, that would be outstanding. I'd love to invite him. I hope you're out there listening because I'm going to invite you to come on my show. We're going to talk to both sides and see, see what the story is and see if we can create some peace there because there's a small child. That's the only one that is that we should be, we should be worried about everybody in this situation, small children and adult children who are dealing with a bad situation. and having some repercussions for abuse and for manipulating the court system, which is already manipulating everything. What a, what a sad situation. I'm so sorry. Is it getting, is it getting easier to be on here? Yes, it is. Yeah. Just having coffee with a friend. That's all it is. Yeah. And you know, like you were saying, um, with, with my daughter, um, At first, you know, with the court system and through everything, they tried to make me feel like I was a terrible, shitty person for even filing for the divorce. Or if I could never even bring up the domestic violence, they shoved that in my safe facing. It was no big deal because I didn't press charges. Again, it was out of fear. But then it was no big deal. So from the get go until she started reporting like abuse herself when she got old enough and she was telling what she went through that whole time. I mean, I was. made to feel bad by my not only abuser but the court system was making me feel bad for speaking the truth so it's it's it's not just that people with the lies there's a facade there but people try to speak the truth and they're belittled they're shunned they're silenced and and when people keep trying to speak and trying to speak and especially if they've gone through any type of trauma or brainwashing and they try to do that and people keep shutting them up they eventually just feel like giving up. It's like being hit by a train over and over and over again. And every time you get up, there's less and less pieces of you to fight. You don't have the strength, the energy, especially when there's like a child involved that someone is manipulating or hurting or trying to take from you, like in my case. And then every time I would try to go to an attorney or the court system for help, Even my own attorneys were trying to make me feel bad for standing up for my rights even before my daughter was taken from me. If I tried to say that I had rights and like, why are you not standing up for my rights? Often because they had to follow the judge that was in line of this in charge of this case, they would lose their position if they didn't go along with her position in the case. And I wouldn't go well for them in that court ever again. And so they were starting to to use everything to make me feel bad, like my own abuse. So make me feel like because I had gone through the abuse or my PTSD, I began to think, well, then when these attorneys were like getting angry at me for asking them to just do simple things they should have done, stand up for my rights or my daughter's rights, they belittled me. And I literally felt like I had to step back and think, oh, my God, I'm not trying to hurt anybody or be aggressive or be pushy. Like I started to shrink back into that mode as if they were my abuser because they were raising their voice or getting upset. And so my response was maybe I've done something wrong. Maybe it's just because all the trauma I've been through that why they're treating me this way. Maybe I'm trying to be pushy and I don't understand. And maybe it's just I was blaming myself. And now I'm I look back at it and I'm infuriated that they did that to me because they didn't want to stand up. They were the ones that didn't have the guts to stand up and were afraid of losing their position. I wasn't the coward. I wasn't the one with the issues. It was them. But they made me feel that way. They projected that onto me and it just absorbed into me. And so that was a major issue of trying to deal with the situation where I felt like I wasn't a good mom. I felt like I wasn't, not only I couldn't deal with things within the family court and my abusive ex and our daughter that kept coming up year after year after year because my ex would keep filing things with the court system before my daughter was taken from me and it became chaotic. I'm going to ask Annabelle to call me. I'd like her perspective on this. I'd love to talk to you, Annabelle. I'm going to ask you to call me. Hang on a minute. Let me give you a phone number. And I think this would be really helpful to have somebody on who understands the dynamic. I'm assuming you're a professional because you have all the right words to say. And there you go. Give me a call, please, Annabelle. And let's talk about this some more because I'd like your input on some of this, too, because I'm sure you could put a lot more into this besides the trauma bonding information. So, yeah, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. What are the things that you've done to kind of cope with being able to go on? You know, I got in this discussion about yesterday with somebody who's, let's just say he's probably, he's pretty high ranking. And we were talking about what's really going on behind the scenes with politicians and how many people have actually committed suicide because of how they were treated within our government blackmail system, his opinion was that most of the people that you see in political office, he said, look how many of them have had affairs and have lost their husbands in office. He said, that's pretty much saying they wouldn't go one direction, so they went the other one, and they were blackmailed. And once you go down that path, you're captured the rest of your life. They will threaten you with anything and everything. Or even people from say Hollywood, they, you know, they got to the point where it was like they couldn't do it anymore. And either somebody took them out or they committed suicide. So you're seeming to do like pretty well with this, with the threats and the coercion that you're under. How do you cope with this? Because you seem to be a really strong person who has found some coping mechanisms. Thanks. Yeah. And first, I just want to stop and interject with something you just said before I answer that question. Some of the people that I've researched or come across that they say have committed suicide. So every suicide thing isn't suicide. I agree. Some of these people have come out of trafficking themselves, women and spoken up. And then they have children that are stuck in the family court system or in an abusive situation. And when they speak up, then all of a sudden Um, it just becomes so overwhelming that yes, you don't feel like you're going to survive, but if you have a child, I mean, just from my own experience, I've gone through things that I didn't feel like I felt like giving up. There were times where I got to a place and I hate to say this, but I was to a place where, I mean, I was a hardworking person. I wasn't a lazy person, but. Going back and forth all the time, having my child stripped from me, um, out of circumstances that just didn't make any sense for years. And no one listening and no one doing anything. I got to a place where I got extremely depressed because nothing got anywhere. And I literally for sometimes like days on end, I would just be stuck in bed and I didn't feel like getting up. I didn't feel because I felt like a shitty mom. Like I'd failed my child. Like no one would listen. I didn't have a voice. Like all these things are very overwhelming. But if you have a child that you love and care about, you will never take your life because you live forever. for your child. And I mean, that's sad, we should live for ourselves, but our heart for our child. So if someone has that, they just don't go out and commit suicide, regardless of how hellish the situation is, how much they want to give up. I mean, if we have a heart that is attached to our child, we don't just give up. I mean, I don't know how I'm still alive today. There are days when I didn't know why I was still alive. Like I felt like I would have a heart attack or something like surely my body and my body is, is, is pretty bad off. I mean, it's better now than it was then, but You know, yes, the stress, constant stress. And I mean, I was in constant stress when I left my ex and my daughter. Our daughter at that time was nine months old when I left. She is now eight. The abuse has never stopped. How many years the body is not made to be in fight or flight mode for that long. And so, yes, I tried to reach out at the time. my child was taken from me or before that when I left my abusive situation um believe it or not during a domestic violence with my ex-husband which he was my husband at the time um there was a court hearing and I didn't press charges and I mean that can be for another day another time the story but um the judge actually handed me a pamphlet even though we didn't have a hearing he asked me a few questions because he was concerned he knew my ex's history I did not um and he handed me a pamphlet from turning point and that saved my life um it was the only time someone understood the hell the manipulation that I had gone through the mind games because everyone else thought I was crazy. And I would, when someone would say things that weren't true, like I was always defensive mode or this, they understood all of the triggers. They understood how an abusive person acts and they understood how a victim responds out of fight or flight. And when someone understood that, that was like a huge first lifesaver for me that someone understood. to understand a victim and be very understanding of their situation and be able to tell them, yes, I understand that blah, blah, blah. That's like a lifesaver for them. That's like taking a huge weight off. Even though I was still like under bricks of weight, it was like, I didn't feel like I was just dead and gone. Like someone realized I was on the planet. I actually had a little light blinking. I wasn't completely dead. um so that was a huge a huge thing for me and then I tried to reach out from there they um got me into counselors that I would talk to and that was very very helpful um and then throughout a process I came across a licensed psychologist that I had and and hoping that it would be helpful and even with the court system and dealing with things but um she actually wasn't as good helpful wise as turning point was because Um, even though people might be book trained in, in, um, trauma, if they don't deal with people that go through extreme trauma all the time, they're not real great at knowing how to do things. She would say things that would trigger me and it actually would be that I'd have to work through and I have to talk to my turning point therapist to help me work through a licensed psychologist. So, I mean, it was kind of like defeating the purpose of having one where I would have more triggers to deal with instead of less. Well, I think this is what's really amazing. And you can see it when, um, if you start asking questions, you'll, you'll, you'll see what happens. So we were, we were at an event and I'm not going to put any names out here, but the minute that these people walked in the room, I was like child traffickers. That's the first thing that came to my mind because, and then when the presentation started, Every word that was being said, I was getting more and more convinced at what I was seeing. And I'm pretty sure you were there that you also saw the same thing. And what was really amazing was how many other people in the room were calling complete and utter bullshit on this. Because when somebody comes and gives you, oh, I've got the way to fix these horrific problems. Psychopaths and child abusers go where children are. They are going to go where they can be unseen, unqualified to be there. They've got the pedigrees and everything else. That should be honestly one of your first flags. You walk into anywhere where women are being abused or children, first thing that should come to your mind is let's just see if these people are legit or not. Don't believe the logo. Don't believe their words. Test them. Everybody should test people around them in politics, in the churches, in daycare, in schools. These people walk in there and we give them our blind trust. That's how this entire nation has been taken captured because we trust way too much. from the words coming out of the mouth of other people. And that's not a good thing. I mean, it's okay to listen. The process should be listened as an observer. but not aligning to everyone who, yeah, you kind of like their personalities. Well, it's like road to hell is paved with a lot of people that are able to do that because they're manipulators and they know how to say the right words. They know how to say everything right. The person who is not saying everything right and is probably a little hostile or wants to get them, they probably know what's actually going on. And, you know, you may not want to go out for coffee with them or go out for dinner with them because they might be a little grating, but they're probably at least honest and or they have a better shot at being authentic because they're not hiding their emotions. They're not hiding things. And I think that's a real good standard to help people know how to evaluate some of these situations. And I think all of us need to get our guard up a little bit more on what's going on around us. When people find out how many people in our government are compromised and to what degree, The Epstein files, everybody topically, everybody's talking about getting these Epstein files out. The Epstein files are the CIA Mossad and GCHQ files. Let's be clear about this. He wasn't keeping a record of organized crime does not keep a record where somebody can go pick up a book. and track everybody down. Doesn't work that way. They're going to hide it. It's going to be in other places. And with all of the connections to the CIA, GCHQ, Mossad and such, they're the ones that are holding the records. You want to blow this thing apart? Do exactly what President Kennedy said is knock them into a million pieces and find the evidence because that's where you're going to find it. And I think that's that's where we learn to get a little bit more savvy in how the world works as clearly you are. Do you feel braver right now than what you did then? I felt like a totally a victim. I felt like I wasn't seen. I wasn't heard. I felt like it was nothing. I felt like it was the scum of the earth. Like someone stepping on something gets stuck to your shoe. That's how I felt. And now, and I felt like no one would listen and I was afraid and I had to shut up for the judge when she was telling me things or my ex was telling me things or they were abusing me and it would affect me. But because of the healing that I've done, and I mean, even, even to the place where I've even done like emotional release things, like I've had sessions with people that do emotional release and that's been extremely helpful to me. And in doing that, it's helped me even in my relationship with, you know, God, the creator, because, you know, at one point I thought, how could someone do this to me? Like, what did I ever do? What did my child ever do to deserve this? Like, you know, why are you against me? Why are you throwing me out and don't care about us? Like, especially when you see your child go through something like I went through abuse and I could handle it. When I saw my child go through stuff, it tore me apart. And so, um, it was, it was, it was difficult. to see that, but to stand up now, um, after getting the release and. And feeling safe and having people around me to help me feel safe, seen and heard, and then getting that release that also helped bring, um, things back that I realized, oh, God's not against me. People would start to come to me, um, because I wasn't looking so much to the system anymore. I got to the place where as we heal things in our lives begin to change. And as I began to go inward, like the stuff made me, everything I went through made me go inward. And as I went deeper inward, I mean, there was some stuff that was pretty dark that I was afraid to face inward. But as I began to heal inwardly, it gave me strength outwardly because then I knew who I really was. It wasn't all these lies that my abusive partner was telling me. It wasn't what the court was trying to accuse me of or make me feel like, or these attorneys or anyone else. yes the shame the shame the extreme shame and it wasn't like I had nothing to be sh shamed for like I hadn't done anything and yet I still was feeling that way yes but even me feeling like I had been failing they had been failing me and they had been failing my daughter but I felt like I failed my daughter because I wasn't getting anywhere um but now because of all that I've been through and my healing process, like I've gotten to the point where the tables are now turning and I'm kind of excited about it. I mean, I'm not fully to the place where I'm totally healed and I probably won't be for some time. But as I do my inner work, it makes me realize that the tables have turned and flipped. So now instead of me being afraid of them now, I know who I am. I know my foundation. I know where my support comes from and so they don't have jurisdiction over spirit and um that's a big thing because they don't have jurisdiction over my daughter either although they think they do um so now I'm at the place where I know who I am I know where my foundation is and I'm ready to speak my truth the truth and expose the lies and as I am bold. I'm now realizing, like you said before, they were the ones that, they were the cowards. It wasn't me. They tried to make me feel like the victim and the coward. And instead of being the victor or the victim, I am the victor. And kind of like you said earlier, like your failure was an opportunity to rise. Well, I mean, I wouldn't see it as failure. People call it failure and it has like a bad sound, but it's our experience. So through our experience, of maybe not acquiring something the way we thought we should have, it opens avenues. And in my circumstance now, I mean, at first I was so depressed because it was like, how could I go through this? No one's listening. I'm a terrible mom to now I have the mindset of, okay, whatever got me into this position. I know I'm put here for a reason and I have a purpose and a goal. And my goal is to expose the lies. And my goal is not just for myself and my daughter. Like we did not go through this just for ourselves. And that gives me a passion to be able to try to get something to happen, not only for my case, but for so many others and give them a voice and stand up. So instead of being that victim that felt like gum on someone's shoe now, I want to be an advocate. I want to stand up and be that Joan of Arc with a sword in my hand saying anybody that's coming against me, like they're going to get cut through with the sword and they aren't going to prosper. Like I'm not going to back down because I know who I am. I know where my stance is and they're not going to take away our power. And so I want to give others a voice. Now I realize it's not just me finding a way out of this in a way forward, but as I do that, and I've had dreams, you know, from, from God, to show me that this is my purpose. And it's given me a zeal instead of feeling depressed. I now feel excited, even though I don't have my daughter with me and it's difficult. I am no longer depressed because I realized that we're both going through this and it's going to make us the most wonderful people. It's brought us to realize who we truly are and where our foundation is. And then now, I mean, my whole life, I was just living a life Now I have a purpose and know my purpose and can be passionate about that in standing up for others that have gone through what I've gone through. I mean, we can't advocate for something as passionately unless we've gone through it. Not that people can't be passionate about it. You don't have to go through something to be passionate about it. But when you've gone through it, it is an extreme passion and you can relate to the people that have gone through it. And for me, that now I know. I've done this because I'm the one to find the key to help others get out, not just myself, not just my daughter. And I'm here to give the ones that aren't getting a voice, a voice. I love that. You know, it brings me back to a verse where, We're in the Bible where it says that God chastens those that he loves. And he also never gives us more than what we can handle. So when we look at those bad things in our lives, God takes all of this and he turns it into good. And the dividing line that I see with people is if people start feeling sorry for themselves, And saying, well, looking at the material world or looking at it through the world, through God's eyes and asking him to give you his eyes, where you look at it and go, what's he accomplishing through these difficult times? Every single time you'll see that it's a gift of the spirit. You're going to see some strength that's going to come out of it. You're going to see resources. You're going to learn things. You're going to grow extraordinarily strong when things are too easy. It's like, It's like a plant or a tree. When things are too easy for those trees, they grow up real fast. Any plant does. They grow up real fast. But the roots are not good. They're not sunk in where they can stand. And the stems are weak. So when the storms come, it knocks them over. They don't know how to stand. But those of us who have been rooted and we've had a little manure around us, which feeds us and gives us some more gifts and wisdom and all these things. And that tree grows a little strong and it's having a battle to grow up. And it may not have shot up and been a superstar right away, but that tree has the ability to stand. And when the winds come and the storms come, you can't move it because it is rooted. And the rooting that we get when we can do that, it's a rooting in God Almighty. We learn to trust him and know that whatever comes our way, he gives us the strength. He carries us. He's with us. And it's an amazing, amazing process. The other part of this, too, is being able to see people who are abusers as mentally ill. A sane person or a person who has actually a soul does not get kicks out of hurting other people. They don't get props out of it. It doesn't make them happy. A psychopath gets happiness out of hurting others. That is a sick, sick person. And if you can put that into perspective, and see, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking rhetorically. If we can put this into perspective and say, number one, this person, anything they did to me had nothing to do with me. It was all their sickness and make them own it. When somebody insults you or does something that makes you feel shame, don't take that on. That's them. And all they did was taught you how they think. It has everything to do with their mental illness or their mental state. Nothing to do with you. And don't let them. We can't let these people define us because they're sick. And look at it and say, wow, you're a sorry son of a bitch. I really wish you felt better. You know, really, you know, stand up, square your shoulders. It's not you. And then start praying and forgiving them. Forgive them because a lot of times, like Jesus said, they know not what they do. They don't even know what they're doing and they killed him. And he was able to come to terms with that, that human beings are flawed, tremendously flawed. All of us are. Since the fall, we are flawed. and to be able to forgive people when they do the wrong thing. Give them a chance to stand back up and do the right thing. Encourage them. Hold them accountable. I'm not saying go back and let them abuse you again. Absolutely not. But to hold them accountable and keep a tab of what they've done so you can build a case if it ever goes to something like legal or that sort of thing. Make sure that you know and you're building a case in your mind But these people are nuts and they're bad. And also, you know, pray about it and ask God to hold you up. You know, he'll give you the strength. But it really does help us when we get this figured out to focus on God. He's the only one perfect. And he's the one that's going to carry us when we can't even walk ourselves. He will carry us through all this. And in the end, he'll make everything right. even the stuff that your daughter's going through, she's probably going to come out of this with, you know, she's going to come out of this with a whole lot of wisdom on this situation. And you know what? Time is something I think too, when we go through abuse and we feel when we're going through it, that all of this time was lost and we lost and we failed. And it's, we feel this sense of loss on what we lost and, And it's a horrible thing to carry. But honestly, God is the great restorer. He can restore that time that we thought we lost. He doesn't abide by the rules that human beings have to. Nothing is ever lost, truly. And watch how he will restore that time with your daughter. Ask him to restore the time, the lost time. He will literally restore everything. And it's amazing how that can work. You know, I think we need to talk about this at length because it's really healing to talk through these things. And what you were saying with the burying or the like bringing us down, I kept thinking of the phrase that people often use where they tried to bury us, but they didn't realize we were seeds. The thing was they knew in that seed, they knew what kind of seed it was and they knew the potential that it had. So they knew my power. They knew what a great mom I was. They knew they had nothing against me. They knew I was powerful and had a voice. And so people don't feel the need to suppress someone. that's below them they feel the need to suppress someone that's above them so that they can be at the same level or below to be able to control them otherwise they feel threatened if they don't feel safe with who they are like you were saying they're not healthy healed people that want to cause harm to other people it just doesn't work that way and even it's the same with these judges and politicians they're wounded individuals yes they are sick they are very sick and so they feel to harm other people makes them feel better about themselves for some reason it's a sick nasty thing to explain to people but they try to bury us and shut us up and they don't realize because then we come back and we do have a voice when we find it when we find our potential it sprouts and then they get scared because now the tables turn and we're coming back on them because we're not afraid of them we realize who we are and then we address them front on with what's going on and that scares them When somebody's abusing you, don't hide it. Don't be ashamed of it. It's not your fault. It is not your fault when you're being abused. It's a situation you're in. You're with a whole bunch of sick people, even if you're a child. I know what I speak here. It wasn't our fault. When you see somebody that's like that, you're seeing an absence of God because If people don't follow God and let God run the game, let him run the life. It's his sandbox. It's his world. Let him be in charge. Acknowledge him as God in all things, even in things that happen that's wrong. Hand it to him. He has the ability and power to turn this thing around amazingly and turn it into a strength. When you see somebody like the judges, the social workers, the CPS workers, the people in Health and Human Services, the ones that told us to put the masks on. These people are sick because they do not have God in their lives. And if you don't have God in your life, you turn yourself into your own God. You listen to yourself. Your wisdom is above everybody's. You know what's best. You fight to defend your biases. You are the one that ends up being a God unto yourself. When the closer people are to God, the more they give their life over and are willing to watch things change and move around, realizing that he gave it to God. You trust God. You know he's going to take all things and work it to good. And you sit there and just go, wow, this is going to be an amazing adventure. And let him do that. what he does best, which is being good at all times and using all things for good. And absolutely, usually it's in contradiction to what we think because we're fallen. And yeah, this is a great subject. I'd like to talk about this some more with you and probably you had time to just like take a break. And then come back to this. And you know, what's going to be really cool is I can see what's going to happen. I can, I can guarantee this is going to be Donna's prediction, right? The next time you come on, you're going to be so excited because you'll have time to process this and go, wow, now I've got a million other things that I can tell other people about how to heal from these sorts of things in your purpose. And then it's, it's going to, it's going to get even more fun. You did great. Yeah, I'm excited to see what's going to come out of even where I'm at at this point and not only speaking up, but begin to take my power back with the system and try to find these ways and avenues. And even with my daughter too, everything that has been taken or the canker worm has eaten is going to be replaced. So everything that they tried to destroy, it didn't get destroyed. And I'm going to have more and better And so I'm excited to see how this is going to play out. I really am. Yeah, this is it. Well, you know what our prayer is? Let's say a prayer because I'm going to pray for the healing of everyone, even your ex. You know, it's like that's sometimes the hardest thing is to love people who are really unlovable or who've done nasty things. And God tells us that we should pray for our enemies because they're hurting, hurting people, hurt people, people who are psychopaths, they don't have the same feelings we have. They don't have the capacity to love. And so they're, they're not fully human in the same way that we are. And they, they don't understand. And, and, and the truth is, is that there's a man named Sam Backman. I studied him years and years ago. when I was putting together Grief and Loss Today and some of the other stuff that I worked on. And so I studied. I studied people who are true narcissists or psychopaths. And it isn't what people think it is. Some people are like, oh, they're a narcissist or a narcissist because they talk about themselves. No, a narcissist is the lack of empathy. It's the same thing as a sexual predator or an abuser. It's a lack of being able to feel empathy or understand how other people feel. And so, you know, there needs to be a clear distinction because when people call other people narcissists or something like that based on nothing, it's just based on they had their feelings hurt or that they didn't get the attention that they thought they should have over something. That's the narcissist right there. The accuser is straight up a mouthpiece of Satan. Straight up. And so, you know, I think this is all good to help people process. But anyhow, Sam Backman is a therapist and he is an admitted narcissist psychopath. And he says it. He says, I know what I am. And he's a psychopath. And he's a therapist. And he said, I don't have the ability to love. He said, I never have felt love in my life. Not how I hear other people talk about it. So to expect them, the people that are like this, to relate to the world the way we do is unrealistic. It's like saying that there's a striped cat out there and expecting that striped cat to be, you know, a cat of another color. They're not going to change. They don't have that capacity to actually care, love or have empathy. And whatever went wrong in their lives, whether they were born that way, hardwired, or if something happened to break them, there's a lot of people that have been completely broken by the other psychopaths in society. You ever think about that? What made Hillary Clinton turn into a child mutilating monster? What happened to her? She was a child born innocent at one point in time. Do these people turn into the monsters that they become? There's a, there, you know, we, we all need to ask that question and, and really look at them and forgive them. There was a point of failure there that we, the choices they made, we don't understand. We didn't walk in their shoes first, forgive them because it'll give the bit, take the bitterness out of you. And you don't want that better root to grow. You want to, be able to walk through life and not be moved around or funneled into a bad behavior because of our biases. And I'm not talking to you. I'm talking like rhetorically to everyone, you know, and realize that they know they're broken. They absolutely know they're broken. People who say that they don't need God. Oh, they know they're broken. They're lying. They're lying. They're ever living behinds off. And that's how they hide their pain. So it's interesting. Let's say a prayer and then we're going to go on to our days and have a few last minutes to talk. You know, any thoughts? Yeah. Dear Heavenly Father, we love you so much in this journey that you put us on here. is just amazing. And we accept all situations that have come into our lives because we know that all things work for good to those who love you and are called according to your purposes. And you know what? We're called. We know it. And we trust you. We love you. We know that everything that's going on, that you're going to be, you're the great redeemer. Satan's only got a little bit of time left. And when that time ends, It's going to be very interesting to see who is in fact, who people really are when the evil influence is gone and the choices that they've made. Some people are too weak to stand in the presence of evil. We get that. And that's a calling on us to love them more. to be more forgiving, to be more studfast in our stand for what's good, and also to hold people accountable, to have that discernment and wisdom and how to deal with it as King Solomon did. He didn't give the person who was lying a pass. He found out who really was lying and was able to discern between the two and put it into action with wisdom. We know that you are with Jodi. You are with her daughter. And we ask that you would set a hedge of protection from any evil, from any evil intention, that you would protect their minds, their hearts, their bodies in all situations. And that the evil that is around them would be absolutely silenced, struck down, bound away, and completely taken out of the situation. We pray for her ex-husband. We pray that you would convict him of all evil that he's done, that he would have complete knowledge of good versus evil, and that you would turn his heart to you and that he would make amends for every single thing that he's done and find salvation through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior in the process. We pray that he would be in heaven with us and that there would be complete and total healing for his soul, for the actions that he's done, and that you would redeem not only him, but his actions. We ask that you would create great wisdom and discernment within that you would be walking with Jodi's daughter, and that there would be great discernment and wisdom that would come out of this, and that you would protect her little body and her little mind, and create a great warrior for you and a force to be reckoned with that evil wouldn't dare touch, look at, or try to manipulate. And as she grows older, that this becomes absolutely aware that she is a child of God, unafraid, equipped, and ready ready to walk forward as the warrior you've intended her to be. I pray that you would give Jodi peace in all things, that you would take away her hurt, that you would give her forgiveness, that you would carry her now and forever, that she would feel your loving arms embracing her and knowing that those same arms are carrying her daughter every minute of the day as you yourself Keep her safe and no one can walk past that protection. We thank you so very much for your precious son, for what you gave up for us and that love that we cannot even, even fathom. We thank you for everything you've done for us. You're a great friend to us, a father, a redeemer, our provider, our peace, our protection, our banner in the fight. and our Redeemer that brings us out of captivity. We wish to be a blessing to you as you have been to us. We lay everything at your feet, knowing that whatever you ask us to do, we're willing to do, and all the glory and honor to you forever and ever. In Jesus Christ's precious name we pray, amen. It is done. So I thank you so much for coming on. Let's do this again and give yourself a chance to process this for a week or so and come back on and talk about this some more. And I'm pretty much extra sure that there's going to be a praise report that's going to come out from your end here. It's going to be amazing. You're incredible. What a wonderful, lovely person you are. And, you know, you're your family of someone else that I treasure very, very much. Tim Parker and a very good friend of mine. And and I just appreciate you and him and the whole family so very much in your bravery of coming forward. Do you have any last words you want to say? I. Not really. I just want to say thank you to you because for allowing me to speak. And I'm kind of sorry I didn't cover actually my case so people don't even realize what's going on unless they've pre-heard other things I've said before. So we'll have to. A teaser for the next show. We'll have to discuss that more in length. But there's just there's so much I'm, yes, excited about to bring to people's attention and awareness so they'll understand my case and others and hopefully we can hit some points of things that people are aware that they can actually do or things that, you know, to try to help people in these situations. Okay, so I'm going to give everybody warning here. I'm going to put everybody on warning. If you're part of CPS, you're a criminal. You're collaborating. You're not helping. You need to jump off. If you're part of the Republican and Democrat parties, which is taking foreign money, you're guilty. You're collaborating. I don't care what you tell me about that you're trying to help. You are in a criminal organization and you're part of it. CPS, every single worker in CPS, is part of this and they can't justify themselves. Either you step forward and you're a whistleblower or you're collaborating with the enemy and involved in hiding the crimes against humanity that's going on. You're not helpful. You're involved. And so with that said, let's go and make some good choices with this day. Let's stand for something. Let's refuse. And I was talking about it yesterday. If you stay with even a little lie, it's like making brownies with dog crap in it. Would you eat brownies made with dog crap in just a little bit, but they're brownies? If you're jumping into any of these organizations, that's exactly what you're doing. You're eating dog crap in with the brownies. Either you stand and stand completely trusting on God or you're guilty. And you're going to have to face God over this at some point in time. And he's going to say, you were lukewarm. You didn't stand for anything. And guess what? Don't lie to me. And it's going to be a tough day for people, but it's coming. It's coming for all of them. And people want to see justice. Oh, there's going to be justice, but it's pretty much actually sure that every single one of us is going to have to stand for what we've done and every word that's coming out of our mouth. And that's okay. You know, keep going. We're going to, we're going to be, God's good, and he's going to be there to help us. And with that said, let's move on to our days. God bless you in every way. And you know what? Oh, I've got to do it this way. I've got to figure out which hand goes forward. This one, because I'm backwards. Ding, ding, ding. Go to brandovergovernor.com because I'm the best non-conceiter who's ever not conceded in history of the United States of America. I'd like to have a discussion with the President of the United States, President Donald J. Trump. Cowboy boots. We'll see who wears it better. It's going to be me because I wear them every day. And then we're going to go on to our day. um and uh and do it right I had a horse that went to went to crazy land last night overnight and I ended up going to the barn this morning because they do what everybody does to hurt animals they want to go to their safe spot and they do stupid stuff and they get hurt you know and it's unfortunate that we that fear drives people and horses and Got to get past that, guys. But with that said, God bless you all. God bless all of those whom you love. God bless America. Make it a great day. Be that force, that unwavering, unbending over ethics, morality, and what's being done. Don't try to fit in with a sheeple. We are peculiar people. That's why they don't understand us. Those that, that follow God, truly follow God, not just like stamp a Christian label on our heads. There's a big, big difference. They use that to distract us and to take us captive, just like pedophiles do and such. Don't listen to them. Be discerning and, and, and, Be smart about it. We're in a very interesting time. We are in World War III. It is a kinetic war. You're just not seeing it. I've realized that yesterday. We are in a kinetic war. People are dying, and they're doing things that shouldn't be done. But with that said... Be a force for good. And I think I'll probably be on tomorrow. So I'll see you tomorrow morning. I'm sure Karen and Ralph will be on and maybe Dr. David. No, hopefully Sean Starry. And we're going to be talking about more stuff that we need to talk about. So have a great day. Stay on the line, please.